FictionalFlames
12.16.12 | Shit is funny |
Wolfhorde
12.16.12 | Why did these fucking retards even want to protest those funerals? Try to do that kinda shit here and you'll get at least one week detention - if you're lucky. |
DotEight
12.16.12 | Fuck yes! Cunts got what they deserved. If anyone needs to be shot in public it's those fucks. |
FictionalFlames
12.16.12 | @ Wolfe It's god's will or something like that |
KjSwantko
12.16.12 | Westboro are seriously the biggest bunch of twats on the face of the earth. |
americanohno
12.16.12 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryzRZbQx_xE |
Trebor.
12.16.12 | we are anonymous
we have no life |
Wolfhorde
12.16.12 | Seriously, such idiocy should be flagged as dangerous to society. |
FictionalFlames
12.16.12 | They're baptist what do you expect? |
bach
12.16.12 | I hope they fall into a ravine. Fucking hate mongers. |
DrMaximus
12.16.12 | Fuck yeah anonymous! Finish them! |
Wolfhorde
12.16.12 | "They're baptist what do you expect?"
I'm German, nobody here gives a fuck about those crazy confessions. I still don't quite know what defines a baptist. |
DotEight
12.16.12 | "I'm German, nobody here gives a fuck about those crazy confessions. I still don't quite know what defines a baptist."
They think they are the elite religion of all religions. Their lifestyle, the way they celebrate God - everything. Basically complete, intolerant douches. |
bach
12.16.12 | The end reminds me of slender. |
Wolfhorde
12.16.12 | "They think they are the elite religion of all religions. Their lifestyle, the way they celebrate God - everything. Basically complete, intolerant douches."
That sounds even worse than everything religiously stupid we have here combined. And protestants make regularily fun of catholicism for being 'uptight', but I guess we're way more liberal here than it seems in some aspects. |
FictionalFlames
12.16.12 | DotEight is pretty spot on, except they're hypocrites... at least the extremist.
Personally, I'm an Anglican, and my view of Baptist are a bit on the negative side; I don't condone what they teach. |
MoosechriS
12.16.12 | wouldn't it be horrible if someone picketed their church service with a fuckload of hand grenades........... ahem |
FictionalFlames
12.16.12 | no, black metallers screeching in blood curling screeches |
kris.
12.16.12 | i actually went to college with miciah phelps-davis
he's a pretty cool kid, doesn't really believe what his family does
but the rest of them are absolute scum |
Aids
12.16.12 | this is sweet but this better not just be for show. I mean like this better not be "Occupy Wall Street" all over again. It's one thing to stand up to assholes anonymously, on the internet, it's quite another to actually do something about it. We'll see I guess. |
Trebor.
12.16.12 | These guys help breed atheism so they rule |
drewcordova
12.16.12 | "wouldn't it be horrible if someone picketed their church service with a fuckload of hand grenades........... ahem"
They were supposed to protest here in Aurora after the theater shooting, and I thought the exact same thing. |
FictionalFlames
12.16.12 | and we all thought morons were crazy, amirite? |
Aids
12.16.12 | well I, for one, still do |
cirq
12.16.12 | god hates fags |
FictionalFlames
12.16.12 | is it me or do i feel Deviant breathing down our backs as of now? |
iswimfast
12.16.12 | https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/legally-recognize-westboro-baptist-church-hate-group/DYf3pH2d there's a petition about recognizing them as a hate group. |
Trebor.
12.16.12 | duh |
climactic
12.16.12 | im not christian or religious at all and i find fundamental christianity as stupid as the next guy, but even i realize that these fuckers arent christian
seriously some of the worst people on the planet, watch some videos on youtube of people interviewing them at protests, its insane |
Trebor.
12.17.12 | Umm they are the most christian, they follow the bible exactly
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bach
12.17.12 | I've recently acquired a Facebook. I wonder if Fred Phelps would add me..... |
Funeralopolis
12.17.12 | feel kind of bad for them to an extent though these people are brainwashed into this twisted stuff pretty messed up. |
Sauce
12.17.12 | they are the most christian [2] (by some definitions) |
DotEight
12.17.12 | I don't. Not a bit. They protest and adamantly act like douches against anything even remotely different than what the text of the bible says. Fuck em. |
Trebor.
12.17.12 | That's what the bible says to do ya dingus, spread the word of Christ and damn all others to hell |
DotEight
12.17.12 | "That's what the bible says to do ya dingus, spread the word of Christ and damn all others to hell"
But I'm atheist. So my opinion is varied. |
Trebor.
12.17.12 | I'm just pointing out how dumb the whole thing is |
DotEight
12.17.12 | Well all of it is retarded, on both sides. I'm just saying even if I was christian, no one I've ever met or seen has been has adamant as these fucks when it comes to moral issues. |
MO
12.17.12 | "Westboro will picket Sandy Hook Elementary School to sing praise to God for the glory of his work in executing his judgment."
reading that is beyond frightening |
Trebor.
12.17.12 | People still run their lives according to fairy tales from the bronze age I know it's very scary |
CaptainHadouken
12.17.12 | WBC strikes again... Too bad there was a counterstrike against WBC haha |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | "People still run their lives according to fairy tales from the bronze age I know it's very scary"
It's actually more scary that shit like that is even legal. |
FictionalFlames
12.17.12 | Omg, just realized that Westboro is the best satirical group to ever be created. |
DotEight
12.17.12 | "It's actually more scary that shit like that is even legal."
Unfortunately religion will always be held to a higher standard, no matter how unethical or insane these religious groups act. |
eleventhsun
12.17.12 | They actually have been hit with grenades, at their home/church. |
omnipanzer
12.17.12 | @ op
good, fuck these pricks.
I don't go in for retaliation with personal information but these people are relentless in forcing themselves on other peoples lives. |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | "Unfortunately religion will always be held to a higher standard, no matter how unethical or insane these religious groups act."
Depending on where you are. I'm pretty sure Germany isn't the only country on this planet who doesn't take kindly to religious extremists - or extremists of any sort actually. |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | They probably bunker weapons themselves. |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | I mean, it's not like religious extremists haven't been known throughout history for basically being militant dickbags. Often militant dickbags with way too much power. |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | To be honest, despite them being godawful douchebags (oh boy, unintended pun) I just think such groups should be stripped of their 'rights' and be locked away. Easy as that. |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | Because there are such things as consequences. And most people that hate them are reasonable to a certain degree. |
DotEight
12.17.12 | "meh. I'm just shocked no one has seriously tried to mow them down yet." [2]
Win. |
SCREAM!
12.17.12 | "Umm they are the most christian, they follow the bible exactly"
Definitely not
Not judging others?
Loving your fellow man?
I'm sure there is plenty more but those two jumped right off the top of my head |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | because those nutjobs might come after your friends & family. |
Inveigh
12.17.12 | these assholes protested the memorial service at my college after one of our buildings got shot up by a lunatic
they should all be castrated so they can't reproduce |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | "dunno why i found this to be so hilarious"
Probably because - if even the KKK distances themselves from them - you know you've got your hands on a diamond mine of crazy.
"they should all be castrated so they can't reproduce"
Now that's an 'extreme' reaction I can get behind. |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | "have you seen their congregation? I wouldn't be worried at all."
No, but self-defense taught me judging people's offensive capabilities is harder than it seems. |
FictionalFlames
12.17.12 | Let's castrate Rush Limbaugh agreed
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Tyrael
12.17.12 | 'I don't believe I've heard one case of any of the wbc turning violent against those they condemn like other hate groups so that's all I'm saying.'
Does that mean we can't use violence against them either? Poop :[ |
AtomicShane
12.17.12 | how has nobody lit their place on fire yet? |
omnipanzer
12.17.12 | "Umm they are the most christian, they follow the bible exactly"
They follow their interpretation of the bible exactly. Huge difference, I don't see them helping or being brotherly to anyone. As a matter of fact they only do this when there is a chance of getting publicity, I can think of at least three commandments they break regularly however that would be my interpretation. That doesn't include personal information about individuals. There is plenty of commandment breaking by Fred and Shirley Phelps have done lots and lots of biblical rule breaking including breaking The Laws of the Land (Romans 13:1-14). |
JrmyPrks
12.17.12 | You guys read any of the news reports? Some of the members of the church have actually said "God sent the shooter" because of God's punishment for America's acceptance of gays and lesbians. The fact that can someone can utter those words and live with themselves is on a whole new level of mental retardation. |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | Well, problem is that you can adjust your interpretation however you deem fit. |
someguest
12.17.12 | The whole point of Christianity is to make this life better, not to determine some sort of afterlife. There's actually a lot of good advice on how to treat yourself and others in the Bible. The violence in the book usually happens when someone is selfish, bitter, or angry - which backs up the teachings of reacting positively instead of negatively. |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | "The whole point of Christianity is to make this life better, not to determine some sort of afterlife"
Not really though. I mean yeah in some confessions that has a stronger emphasis but it can vary greatly. |
someguest
12.17.12 | It's all about the relationship, not striving for an end goal. |
someguest
12.17.12 | "people who believe in the same god can't even agree with each other."
keyword: people |
JrmyPrks
12.17.12 | ^ Nice to see a rational opinion on the bible. I'm a Christian myself, and if people would actually just read the bible and doing what it says instead of sheepishly listening to whatever their pastors/priests tell them we'd have a better place to live in. There's so much greed nowadays.. |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | "It's all about the relationship, not striving for an end goal."
As I said, you can adjust your interpretation as you deem fit so yeah there's no 'universal point'. As much as there are balls to the wall uptight protestants here and chill as fuck catholics. |
JrmyPrks
12.17.12 | Well in reality it all comes down to the correct manuscript of the bible, guise. Do your history. Mankind's Search for God is a great read. The history of these religions is appalling, man. |
someguest
12.17.12 | "if you believe in the bible you have to believe in all of it. even the old testament. to do so means someone is very diluted in the head."
How so? The Old Testament is a bunch of stories at the beginning of the faith, which are obviously exaggerated and hold no real perception of time. You can still take things from them though. |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | "if you believe in the bible you have to believe in all of it. even the old testament. to do so means someone must be very diluted in the head."
Exactly that's what's complete bullshit. It never was the case, never will be and never could be. Once again, it all depends on how you interpret it. |
someguest
12.17.12 | The difference between the Old and New Testaments is kind of a paradox, and I think that's the point. The thing being that the teachings of Christ were shared to state how insane the Old Testament was. |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | "if you believe god is omnipotent you'd think he would have been ahead of the curb and made sure no outdated info got put into his autobiog. if you can't take the old testament seriously then that would hurt any credibility that the new testament has too. not sure if you believe all the salvation shit or if you're just taking the "lessons" out the bible."
Deism, pantheism ect. bla bla. Seriously, what do you people learn in school? Also, who even gives the slight of a fuck about the OT anymore? Except for bible thumpers. |
JrmyPrks
12.17.12 | Whaling. I don't want to get into a religion war, but that's not true, guy. It's just the majority of people want their ears tickled. So people get on a podium and fire diarrhea out of their mouths, while demanding money for bigger steeples. It's a shame cos it really puts a bad light on having a faith. |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | It's people being idiots shining a bad light on being religious, doesn't matter in which way that is really. Being religious or not doesn't make a person more or less of an idiot.
Also, originally Christianity WAS by definition a radical nomadic sect and from what we know Mister Jesus or whatever variation of his name didn't even want this to happen. Despite the fact that he'd probably facepalm his hand into his face if he saw what people made out of his "religion" throughout history. |
someguest
12.17.12 | The problem is people with no religious affiliation are as set in stone as those with religious affiliation, deeming all argument meaningless. The fact is Christianity is probably the reason you have the ability to argue coherently over the issue at all, considering the educational and societal progress brought on by its dissemination through time. |
someguest
12.17.12 | "Being religious or not doesn't make a person more or less of an idiot."
I love you. |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | "The fact is Christianity is probably the reason you have the ability to argue coherently over the issue at all, considering the educational and societal progress brought on by its dissemination through time."
That's quite arguable though. Christianity is most definitely not the sole bearer of civilization, it DID have quite a role in it (especially spreading it, partly also rather untintentional) but as all things historical this is also not monoacausal. Greek and Roman civilization have an influence over Western society (and even further) to this day.
Legal systems of Europe (and maybe even the U.S.) are mainly based on Roman and partly even Greek principles of law. |
JrmyPrks
12.17.12 | Exactly! History. All you have to do is look at history, and how various historical figures have omitted or included certain parts of the bible to fit their own needs/wants. But when you get down to brass tax, the New World translation has been cited by plenty of sources as the most accurate form of the bible today. |
someguest
12.17.12 | "That's quite arguable though. Christianity is most definitely not the sole bearer of civilization, it DID have quite a role in it (especially spreading it, partly also rather untintentional) but as all things historical this is also not monoacausal. Greek and Roman civilization have an influence over Western society (and even further) to this day. Legal systems of Europe (and maybe even the U.S.) are mainly based on Roman and partly even Greek principles of law."
I was talking about basic reading and writing. And yeah, our law system is the same way. |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | Which is still a really problematic statement because even theologists acknowledge translations and semantic issues. Same thing with philosophy, when we had the subject of existentialism and talked about existentialist egoism people wen't all raging like it was meant in a modern, judgmental way.
"re you saying that discounting the old testament as a christian is no prob and that it doesn't take away from new testament's credibility? i'm not being facetious, just not understanding."
I'm saying the relevance of the OT is quite small nowadays. Sure, there are still primitive influences like "an eye for an eye" and shit like that here and there but as I've mentioned, that's 'primitive vigilante law' which is quite universally found throughout various cultures and religions. Most confessions also acknowledge that the NT is what matters. |
omnipanzer
12.17.12 | "the New World translation has been cited by plenty of sources as the most accurate form of the bible today."
It would, and it is not. |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | "I was talking about basic reading and writing"
Well maybe so, maybe so. It could also just be that we'd be writing some sort of arabic (or something alike) now (according to the opinion of historians who have enough time to ponder and discuss this kinda stuff in all detail) although I'm not entirely sure if I'd want to see that considering the societal implications and that parts of the Persian empire/Arabs weren't too 'civilized' either. |
someguest
12.17.12 | The funny thing is nobody was 'civilized', that's what makes the New Testament pretty fascinating. |
JrmyPrks
12.17.12 | Well, based on being the most accurate in regard to translating the original texts into english, it is. The Catholic version is second, but only because in their own Encyclopedia they basically say that they've completely messed with the texts to how they see fit. No offense intended.. |
FictionalFlames
12.17.12 | oh myyyy |
JrmyPrks
12.17.12 | @Whaling, i've actually compared the two pretty extensively, lining it up with historical events, and reports from various scholars like Josephus, and.. well, all i'll say is that there's certainly a clear standout of translation to choose from. |
Wolfhorde
12.17.12 | "The funny thing is nobody was 'civilized', that's what makes the New Testament pretty fascinating."
Again, arguable. Depending on the definition and the relation, there were partly rather 'civilized' parts in Asia, then we had the Celts, Romans, Greeks, Phoenicians, partly Native Americans, economically the Vikings weren't too bad. Don't underestimate the ancient world. |
omnipanzer
12.17.12 | ^ there it is |
Inveigh
12.17.12 | like 95% of the comments in this thread (or at least its second half) are utterly retarded
omni's comments excluded |
Trebor.
12.17.12 | "If religion was in school things would be a lot better"
Bitch have you even heard of the dark ages? |
Trebor.
12.17.12 | "Fuck science!" exclaimed a religious person over the internet using a high tech computer after taking his diabetes medication
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FictionalFlames
12.17.12 | "Bitch have you even heard of the dark ages?"
there were no schools in the dark ages, unless you were rich. |
Trebor.
12.17.12 | Well church was basically school back then so whatever, my point is that times were way worse when religion ruled society
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Trebor.
12.17.12 | Under God was added way later |
TheSpirit
12.17.12 | Take it to the forum guys |
Trebor.
12.17.12 | lol the forums |
Inveigh
12.17.12 | the Bible is a pretty silly book at times, but it's not without merit |
DrMaximus
12.17.12 | What merits? |
FictionalFlames
12.17.12 | "Well church was basically school back then so whatever, my point is that times were way worse when religion ruled society"
I guess you've never studied the renaissance period. |
Inveigh
12.17.12 | by merits I mean that one could potentially glean some positives lessons from some passages in the Bible, but it's not the exclusive source for said lessons (i.e. don't murder, steal, lie, cheat etc) |
Inveigh
12.17.12 | "if you need a book to teach you how to be a moral person then kill yourself."
this sentence is hilarious |
HitlerWonTheWar
12.17.12 | no jesus, no fucking beast |
Inveigh
12.17.12 | DEATH TO THOSE WHO LEARN MORALS FROM BOOKS |
HitlerWonTheWar
12.17.12 | yeah, pretty much. i mean, if youre too weak minded to figure shit out on your own, just die. |
HitlerWonTheWar
12.17.12 | "SOME positives lessons from SOME passages in the Bible"
so if you already know which lessons are good and which are shit, why do you need it at all? looks like you can decide without it. |
Inveigh
12.17.12 | in this thread, andcas compares the bible to main kampf
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Inveigh
12.17.12 | lo mein kampf
german chinese fusion |
Inveigh
12.17.12 | but yea that was a type-o so anyways hitler = jesus right? |
HitlerWonTheWar
12.17.12 | "in this thread, andcas compares the bible to main kampf"
not a bad comparison. |
Inveigh
12.17.12 | lol i'm not sure the bible has an evil hidden agenda
i mean i'm no big proponent of it or anything, just not sure of its outright evilness |
omnipanzer
12.17.12 | heaven666 |
HitlerWonTheWar
12.17.12 | JESUS HITLER
ADOLF CHRIST
IS THIS THE SECOND COMING?
OR THE FOURTH REICH? |
HitlerWonTheWar
12.17.12 | "just not sure of its outright evilness"
really...have you ever read the bible? |
HitlerWonTheWar
12.17.12 | youre right, because thats all that it teaches. |
Inveigh
12.17.12 | yea i was actually raised in a strictly religious home so I've read the bible multiple times
and I disagree with about 90% of it. but I feel like there are a few people in this thread who haven't read a word of it |
omnipanzer
12.17.12 | "really...have you ever read the bible?"
The bible in and of itself is not evil at all.
It's dated and I question anyone who thinks it's magical but by and away the people who act in it's name are the evil ones. Anyone who can do less than noble things and blame it on divine right or a magical book (or all powerful being in the sky) is a monster... kind of like a corporation. |
Inveigh
12.17.12 | I imagine our views are similar then, as I've experienced all of those things as well. I'm firmly convinced that man is by and large evil, and the bible was written by men, but I'm more of omni's mindset that the book itself isn't evil
but whatever it's semantics |
omnipanzer
12.17.12 | The bible has a lot of great passages and as a story book it hit's all the plot devices used to this day in literature. The downside is that it's also horribly dated and assholes think it's still entirely valid 1500 years later. Even though everything about the earth is different including various aspects of human nature. I mean over that relatively short period of time we aren't going to have shed millions of years of evolution but we aren't entirely the same either. not to mention the knowledge base we're starting with by comparison... |
HitlerWonTheWar
12.17.12 | "if you can glean a good message from it it's not outright evil."
even if it condones genocide and sexual repression? |
omnipanzer
12.17.12 | "I heard there's an edition of the bible that takes out the old testament, all the horrific tales, jesus's super powers, and simply leaves the positive teachings."
The Vatican has been editing the bible for centuries including every version every person in this thread has ever even seen. Why not do it yourself. |
omnipanzer
12.17.12 | No, not burn just relegate it to what it is. |
omnipanzer
12.17.12 | Only because of how it is used by the people who use it. It cannot be the books fault... it is just a book. You are giving it more power than it deserves. |
omnipanzer
12.17.12 | perhaps , perhaps not but it's too late to go on about it now. It has a place in our history and a pretty important one at that. I think it is dying out but I'd love to see it happen at a much faster clip. It is what it is and there is nothing you can do about it so just focus on something else and take deep breaths bro. ;-) |