CrimsonLies: "Best DAW?"

CrimsonLies 09.06.13	List is digs
CrimsonLies 09.06.13	Bump
Sapient. 09.06.13	I used to use ProTools knowing that it was the "industry standard", but I found it to be quite hard to get the hang of. I currently use Logic Pro X and I love it, it's user-friendly and you can get great sounds out of it
ncguitar 09.06.13	I've heard that Ableton is a great DAW.
CrimsonLies 09.06.13	Thanks for the comments, I have a friend who uses ProTools but it may be too complicated for me at the moment. Logic is out of the question since I don't have a mac. Never checked out Ableton though.
Sapient. 09.06.13	oh, and another one would be Cockos Reaper, it works on both PC and Mac, and it's pretty inexpensive too. the only issue is that the plug-ins it comes with aren't the best
MikeC26 09.06.13	I use Logic. Tons of videos for it online and it's really intuitive.
CrimsonLies 09.06.13	I've used Reaper before but only tinkering around, so I really have no knowledge on it, but definitely something to consider. So is there Logic for windows 7?
jefflebowski 09.06.13	i personally like reason way more than any other DAW but ableton is great too
CrimsonLies 09.06.13	I'll check out Reason. I really need to find a DAW and stick to it. Cubase just confuses me at times, but I have a slow input/output so I need an external sound card for my laptop
lyzakthellama 09.06.13	You can go to Pro Tools classes for very cheap if not free. I know Guitar Center has them every few months
Madbutcher3 09.06.13	I use Samplitude. Not the best VSTs but Vandal is pretty good as amp plugins go if you play around with it enough.
Dolving999 09.06.13	Workflow is king, and so your best bet is Studio One. It's like a mix of the best features of other DAWs.
Acanthus 09.06.13	I love the idea behind Logic, and if I ever produce ill be picking it up. Reason is pretty easy to understand if you come from a hardware background because there's always a button that flips whatever you're working on, allowing you to "wire it by hand" like you would a physical piece of kit. Ableton is cool too but I see it as more of a performance tool/daw, rather than he one you sit at and make music with(obviously that's just me). Reaper works with pretty much anything and the trial is free indefinitely so a lot of people use it Jash starting out. I haven't messed around with a lot of the others though so I can't really comment.
jefflebowski 09.06.13	' Reason is pretty easy to understand if you come from a hardware background because there's always a button that flips whatever you're working on, allowing you to "wire it by hand" like you would a physical piece of kit. ' agreed, that's the thing i love most about the interface for sure
CrimsonLies 09.06.13	Thanks for the comments guys, appreciate it. I'm looking at Logic, Reason, Ableton and Reaper at the moment. Can I still use Logic on Windows 7 or do I have to buy a Mac?
CrimsonLies 09.06.13	Never heard of Studio One though
thumbcrusher 09.06.13	i'll back Reaper it's really great. regarding the plug ins, it's really designed for you to add your own, which is why what it comes with in that department is a bit limited in its bare form.
CrimsonLies 09.06.13	I have a few plug ins which I can use in Reaper so that won't really be an issue. Does anyone know how well Studio One is when it comes to recording? I'm thinking between that and Pro Tools
CrimsonLies 09.06.13	I think I'm actually going to give Studio One a go and work from there. I heard it's very good work flow, like Dolving said
anarchistfish 09.07.13	I wanna know why Mac is considered better for this kind of stuff
Chrisjon89 09.07.13	Pro Tools is great for recording/editing audio, and great plug-ins. Can be quite memory intensive when working on bigger sessions if your rig isn't that great, but I'd say if you're recording yourself playing guitar, vocals or any live instruments then Pro Tools is a great choice. For MIDI/soft-synth stuff I love Reason and Logic. Bit more user friendly than Pro Tools too and I've never had memory issues. These days I tend to use a combo of Reason and Pro Tools. I prefer the spatial sound of a Pro Tools mix - Reason 4 sounds different to me.
Drummerboy123 09.07.13	Fuck yes 10! Just discovered it. Pro Tools is industry standard but I prefer Logic by farrrrr. "I wanna know why Mac is considered better for this kind of stuff" Cause it has Logic on it and Logic owns hard. But Macs are build for editing whilst PC's are build for casual stuff. Mac's OS is a lot easier to use for editing is what I'm trying to say. Never understood why Pro Tools is industry standard, its confusing to learn but I suppose it has more features or whatever. I started out with FL Studio around 4 years ago. It's a really good starting place for people, but some stick to it because of it's ease of use. I use Logic, Pro Tools and Ableton now. Logic for general use, Pro Tools for professional recordings and Ableton for live stuff.
anarchistfish 09.07.13	"But Macs are build for editing whilst PC's are build for casual stuff." in what way? also why is logic better than, say, ableton
guitarded_chuck 09.07.13	cleaner, more intuitive (the answer to both of your questions)
fr33convict 09.07.13	I've used Logic 9 for the past few years but am probably gonna upgrade to Pro Tools eventually. Just don't want to lose being able to use all my AU plugins for sessions.
CrimsonLies 09.07.13	Pro Tools probably won't be my preferred option at the moment. I only have a laptop and it will definitely be too memory intensive. My custom pc will come later down the line, so maybe then I'll reconsider. I want to try Reason and Ableton but I'm giving Studio One a shot first.
anarchistfish 09.07.13	I was given the impression that in regards only to making electronic music, ableton is the best
ChuckyTruant 09.07.13	I find Reaper to be great to get started on
Hyperion1001 09.07.13	use free trials, try them out on your own, decide for yourself every DAW does something better than another one, or it might be more to your preference. there is no "best DAW".
anarchistfish 09.07.13	yeah, that's what I found to be the general opinion. apart from when it came to ableton and electronic music. though logic is only OS X and Fl is only on Windows so you have to make an initial decision between the two anyway. how do you even tackle the learning curve? just by messing about with it?
guitarded_chuck 09.07.13	FL Mac beta just came out
Hyperion1001 09.07.13	i just started learning both ableton and FL Studio and the best way ive found is to watch people do things while doing it yourself. you dont even need tutorials unless you're trying to do something specific and need to know exactly what to do. just find videos of people making tracks and watch what they do and try to emulate it, its way more efficient than watching 20+ minute guide videos
CrimsonLies 09.07.13	I know there is no best DAW, it was just what I decided to title the list for attention, lol. I thought Cubase was going to be for me, but I really can't stand the layout for some reason. I can't figure anything out, so there's absolutely no work flow happening. FL Studio was quite easy but I want to try something different so I guess I'll just work my way through them.
CrimsonLies 09.07.13	@Hyperion1001 that's true though...I watched a bunch of Cubase tutorials and they bored the hell out of me. "How to open a project..." and takes 15 minutes to explain file, open.
Drummerboy123 09.07.13	"in what way? also why is logic better than, say, ableton" Well I just said that the Operating System is build for editing. Where you have your "File, Edit" etc options all ready and shortcuts are all over the joint. It's just much easier. Also Logic is easier to use than Pro Tools. But just as powerful IMO. "I thought Cubase was going to be for me, but I really can't stand the layout for some reason." [2]. Same goes for Reason. Don't fret, nobody who works in the industry uses them. Its all Pro Tools, Logic and Ableton. Ableton is good but I fuckin hate its UI. Looks like its from the 1990's.
Drummerboy123 09.07.13	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEG_jIMyMVY This guy has good tutorials on Logic for those wanting to start out.
CrimsonLies 09.07.13	I would give Logic a try but I'm considering buying a custom-built PC. I like gaming too much to go for a Mac. It really depends on how much I'd have to pay out though just to be able to use Logic on a decent machine. It would be between Pro Tools, Ableton and Studio One for me then. Thanks for the link, bookmarked in case I change my mind.
Dolving999 09.07.13	Edit
Dolving999 09.07.13	I'm gonna give you a overview of the best for you right now (assuming you're starting out on music production and on a windows laptop/PC): 1º - Studio One: I too was once in the same crossroads as you, and I chose Studio One. I never looked back. Perfect workflow, you just need to see some tutorials and you're pretty much an expert already. Super easy and intuitive, plus you get a mastering suite (whereas most of the others don't, at least in their basic forms). 2º - Reaper - Pretty much the quintessential begginer DAW. Don't be deceived by its looks, you can skin it to your liking (for instance, with a Cubase skin or a Studio one) and it covers all bases. Also easy to learn, again by looking up a few videos. 3º - Cubase: Another cool choice, but you'll have a steeper learning curve, and the GUI is an acquired taste. You could get the artist version though, it's more simple and less pricey. 4º - Sonar - Again, not much experience, but a solid contender overall. 5º - Reason - Don't have much experience with it, but I'm pretty sure it isn't as "hands-on" as the rest. Like everyone said already, it's more of a tech simulation kind of DAW, with all the routing and stuff. 6º - Pro Tools: "Industry standard". Extremely overrated. Besides needing high-end hardware, you're submitting yourself to a painful experience - you'll have to learn as though you were training for serious music production. Oh, and workflow sucks. That leaves 2 left, which are Ableton and FL Studio. The only reason I didn't mention them is because they're mainly for electronic music producers. Nevertheless, I can tell you that Ableton is awesome, has a very distinct workflow and is the go-to for musicians looking for a way to enhance their live productions (though I really don't think it's much useful in your case). FL Studio... well, you must have seen this name everywhere - the most simple tool for producing electronic music, every lame ass dj works on this. Needless to say, pretty much sucks for other uses. Finally... the best thing you can do is experiment every DAW you can. Been there, done that, and it was about 1 month for me to get comfortable with one choice only. Every person is different and might not even find Studio one that intuitive. If you have any further doubts, do ask away in my shoutbox. Cheers!
scissorlocked 09.07.13	there is no such thing such as the best DAW it's true that different Daw's give you different capabilities, but you can do remarkable things with any of the given ones
Ire 09.07.13	protools is sweet i wish i had it. i only gots reaper
Ire 09.07.13	i mean it's the worst value overall but my schools studio had the latest version and all the added effects and everything and it runs like a dream
BlueW 09.07.13	I don't really know but I really really really like FL, far more fluid than Logic which I also have, a new track of mine usin FL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHH5Rlz9nB8
CrimsonLies 09.07.13	Thanks for the comments guys and thanks Dolving for the helpful information. I'll go through Studio One, Pro Tools, Ableton and then Reaper. I've already found some tutorials for Studio One and now searching for some for the others.