BallsToTheWall: Morrowind Vs Oblivion

klap 04.18.18	morrowind
cold 04.18.18	Morrowind
TheSpaceMan 04.18.18	Fuck that's tough uhh morrowind probs
Sinternet 04.18.18	morrowind is better but neither of them have aged particularly well - seems to be a running trend with bethesda games unfortunately
TheSpaceMan 04.18.18	Yeah morrowinds combat system is somehow worse than oblivions and skyrims
kris. 04.18.18	okay here's the deal morrowind is the better game BUT if skyrim was your first, morrowind will feel like a completely different game to you. it's infinitely more complex in terms of leveling and gameplay. oblivion is much more of an idyllic high fantasy setting with some mediocre writing and quest lines but it's also a little easier to get into than morrowind thanks to some simplified stats and QOL improvements. either one can suck a couple hundred hours out of your life tho.
TheGreatQ 04.18.18	Daggerfall
Drifter 04.18.18	Oblivion by a loooooong shot
Astral Abortis 04.18.18	Play Oblivion next. Unless you can mod the fuck out of Morrowind it's a bit too dated.
Astral Abortis 04.18.18	Plus Oblivion has the most entertaining quests.
BallsToTheWall 04.18.18	Thank you boys.
UpwardSpiral 04.18.18	I loved Oblivion but I was playing on crappy pc so the waiting times were really annoying.
Confessed2005 04.18.18	Morrowind is my fave game of all time so def Morrowind.
Deathconscious 04.18.18	id say go with Oblivion next. Morrowind has aged pretty terribly.
mifzal 04.18.18	both are unplayable even with mods. But Morrowind is more dense, So I'm more excited for skywind
RadicalEd 04.18.18	Tbh they have both aged horrendously. Like, if we're being real, with the benefit of hindsight both games are not great at all. But if you're into the Bethesda games and liked Skyrim, I guess Oblivion is way more similar and if you mod it, it doesn't look like potatoehead-people adventures.
mifzal 04.18.18	The only games from the 90'and 00's that aged well were those in 2D format.
Astral Abortis 04.18.18	Nah, a lot of games have aged fine. Bethesda's games still look fine imo, they just play like ass. Oblivion is broken in almost every aspect but the quests are so good that it's still worth playing.
Deathconscious 04.18.18	Metal Arms, Resident Evil, Paper Mario (only partially 2D despite the name), Metroid, etc. have all aged fine and are still fun.
RadicalEd 04.18.18	"Nah, a lot of games have aged fine. Bethesda's games still look fine imo, they just play like ass." I mean even if you think they don't look fine, you can get some amazing mods for the visuals. But the gameplay is horrid.
Demon of the Fall 04.18.18	I've never felt the urge to go back & play them for the reasons outlined above, I can imagine going back & playing older Fallout titles (after 4) would have the same outcome, in fact I was late to Oblivion & couldn't get into it. I still play Skyrim sometimes though.
Astral Abortis 04.18.18	#RadEd...that's exactly what I already said
TheSpaceMan 04.18.18	Can we talk about how good REmake looks still like I know its pre rendered but holy shit 2002 gamecube how did u do that
TheSpaceMan 04.18.18	Just read the 90s part of your comment but still
Astral Abortis 04.18.18	REmake still looks incredible yea
worthlessscab 04.18.18	mod the level-scaling out of Oblivion before you start it
Deathconscious 04.18.18	yeah that was one thing that really annoyed me about Oblivion.
Demon of the Fall 04.18.18	What exactly is being remade & will it be available to console users? (guessing not)
Astral Abortis 04.18.18	Just don't bother about difficulty in Oblivion, turn the difficulty slider to 0 and just breeze through the game at maximum fun.
Deathconscious 04.18.18	that would be boring as shit.
Astral Abortis 04.18.18	"What exactly is being remade & will it be available to console users? (guessing not)" We're talking about the 2001 (?) Gamecube remake of Resident Evil. Referred to as the REmake. There's also a modern HD REmake for modern consoles. I highly recommend buying it on Xbox One, PS4, or PC.
Astral Abortis 04.18.18	"that would be boring as shit." Nope. Oblivion was never good for its combat or difficulty...it's fun solely for its dynamic and interesting quests, which have no bearing on the difficulty slider (keeping the difficulty slider on the default literally makes the game unplayable at higher levels due to how poorly optimised it is, not to mention the levelling system can be broken to the point where to can have an OP super-character at level 1 with maxed out stats).
Astral Abortis 04.18.18	I mean literally the best way to level up is to make all your main skills Minor Skills, then do the Gray Prince quest, turn the difficulty up to max and then go ham with your fave abilities in the arena against the Gray Prince. Heal him after two hours when his health finally dwindles to low. Voila! You have maxed out destruction, restoration, illusion, conjuration, blade, blunt, archery, etc.
Demon of the Fall 04.18.18	Ignore me, thought we were still talking about Elder Scrolls.
Astral Abortis 04.18.18	We are discussing both
Casavir 04.18.18	Morrowind for the reasons stated above. I still love Oblivion but there are some mods that need to be installed at all times in order for the game to be playable as intended.
mifzal 04.18.18	So I'am the only one exited for the fan made remakes
mifzal 04.18.18	Yeah RES HD is pretty great
Astral Abortis 04.18.18	Skywind and Skyblivion will never be finished so there's no point being excited for them
mifzal 04.18.18	probably will be released before Elder Starwars
Astral Abortis 04.18.18	New Bethesda game will come out late this year or early next. I'm so glad they're starting a few new IPs. They've butchered Elder Scrolls and Fallout so badly I want a new IP with no expectations.
mifzal 04.18.18	Like the No Man's Sky we deserve
Demon of the Fall 04.18.18	I won't actually end up playing any new IPs whereas the next time a new Fallout or Elder Scrolls comes out (even a remake) I'll be all over it. Probably something to do with familiarity/emotional investment or something, perhaps it's just laziness.
Deathconscious 04.18.18	There are a couple other No Man's Sky-esque space simulators coming out, im sure one of them will be better than that massive letdown.
Astral Abortis 04.18.18	It always looked bad so I don't know why people got upset when it turned out to be bad
BigBlob 04.18.18	"The only games from the 90'and 00's that aged well were those in 2D format. " ffs what is this
Demon of the Fall 04.18.18	65dos did the soundtrack & I still wasn't interested, haha
UpwardSpiral 04.18.18	About RPGs, did anyone play Dragon Quest VIII on PS2? One of my all time favourites. I don´t game anymore, but I loved that one
emester 04.18.18	Overall, I'd say Morrowind But I still standby with saying that Oblivion has the best questlines/sidequests in the franchise
ConcubinaryCode 04.18.18	Morrowind is now backwards compatible on Xbox. Why not play the best elder scrolls game on the most powerful console ever created™?
Faenrir 04.18.18	None of them. Morrowind has cool atmosphere but combat is the worst (very clunky). Play The Witcher 3 instead, much better game than either. Or Divinity Original Sin (1&2)
ConcubinaryCode 04.18.18	Yes Thrust! Xbox is the best way to play your favorite original Xbox and Xbox 360 games in 4k and 60 glorious fps!
Evreaia 04.18.18	Since Morrowind is the only good Elder Scroll, Morrowind.
JWT155 04.18.18	Oblivion. Still to this day my favorite game of all time.
JWT155 04.18.18	I just finally got back into Skyrim, put 40 hours in in the past 2 weeks.
Demon of the Fall 04.18.18	Does anyone have any cool ideas to spice up a battle-mage in Skyrim? I'm using shock magic (looks cool) & illusion mainly. I keep a shield & mace but never really use them. I can't work out what other skills to use to make it more interesting, everything seems unnecessary but feel like I should craft just for something different.
LamboGD 04.18.18	Haven't played oblivion, but I really enjoyed morrowind. Sure it has terrible combat, but I loved the gameplay otherwise, especially how it encouraged exploration. I also think it does the "being on an adventure" feeling better than skyrim
Azertherion 04.18.18	Morrowind is a great game if you enjoy the "getting lost" apsect of Elder Scrolls, because it's wayyyyy less noob friendly than Skyrim is. Quests especially are quite tricky. Oblivion is more modern and is a nice compromise between the two. Graphically it was ahead of it's time for sure. Not all guilds are worth thought, the mages guild is one of the best of TES while the Assassin way is completly uninteresting.
Meridiu5 04.18.18	Best advice for builds in skyrim is to only level one skill. If you level more than one the monster level outgrows your damage output Thats one problem with skyrim. Its one dimensional compared with the prior two
kris. 04.18.18	just be aware that Oblivion's scaling and leveling system is fucking BROKEN and plan accordingly. i'd look up some guides to try and effectively level if you're gonna play vanilla.
McP3000 04.18.18	I agree with Xenophanes. There is a good chance you'll end up liking Morrowind the most, but Oblivion would be better to play first as a segway from Skyrim to Morrowind. Playing Morrowind is more similar to playing a 3D DnD game, rather than a modern western RPG.
Faenrir 04.18.18	"Best advice for builds in skyrim is to only level one skill. If you level more than one the monster level outgrows your damage output" Nah, just craft stuff and you'll rapidly be overpowered.
theacademy 04.18.18	dead space extraction
kris. 04.18.18	there's a really great video essay that basically dissects oblivion in its entirety up on youtube. it's like 5 hours long but it's fascinating as hell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp4-9G47uF0
JWT155 04.18.18	I thought the Dark Brotherhood was awesome in Oblivion, the Thieves Guild was prob my favorite though. I also agree with Xeno, Oblivion mechanically is closer to Skyrim and will prob be better to play first and then ease into morrowind.
teamster 04.18.18	Tell me some of you played the Kings Field games on PlayStation...
BallsToTheWall 04.18.18	Good advice fam, I'll start with Oblivion.
JWT155 04.18.18	May Talos guide you.
Chortles 04.18.18	dark brotherhood in oblivion was the only fun I had in any of that game tbh. but man was it good
StarlessCore 04.18.18	morrowind is so much better than the rest its not even funnyt
StarlessCore 04.18.18	lmao idc about graphics im more about content the content in morrowind is genius the content in oblivion is generally not
StarlessCore 04.18.18	on xbox i bet morrowind is absolutely awful tho i only play the modded pc version
StarlessCore 04.18.18	yea bad engine wonderful game so much better than oblivion for its content that its kinda a laughable quality dip
StarlessCore 04.18.18	r u 10
StarlessCore 04.18.18	just play morrowind on xbox and deal with the early game and walking speed its worth it if you can get over that stupid hump
StarlessCore 04.18.18	quests r p bad, writing is poor, environment was very copy/paste, dungeons were copy/paste morrowind poops on it
StarlessCore 04.18.18	oh ive played lots of oblivion son im just not braindead
klap 04.18.18	The writing and depth of content in morrowind is so much better than oblivion (which I loved) that it’s like comparing a novel to a coloring book
kris. 04.18.18	"So you've never played Oblivion. Gotcha." but uhhh he's right. look i love oblivion but you can't deny that it's pretty damn bland in terms of writing and quality of quests compared to morrowind. the environment is also cookie-cutter high fantasy. vvardenfell is infinitely more of an interesting place than cyrodiil.
kris. 04.18.18	michael kirkbride never should've left bethsoft.
Veldin 04.18.18	I'd recommend Oblivion because it will be easier to get into and it's so damn fun. Make sure to get the Shivering Isles expansion (including in GOTY edition). I actually just started Morrowind GOTY and it's super intriguing, but definitely tougher getting into. Got a head start by getting that 600 gold item in the room where you pick your sign and class. Just finished the quest where I watch the guy at night from the lighthouse. Any tips for a beginner? I don't even know how to level up lol
Veldin 04.18.18	Also as mentioned earlier, Morrowind is now backwards compatible with Xbox One
Deathconscious 04.18.18	i dont have a problem with the cookie cutter fantasy setting. i think it was done well, its just the copy/paste nature of the game that brought it down.
klap 04.19.18	Oblivion is only a better game in the technical sense (ie graphics) and its fighting system. Morrowind has levitate and mark/recall so automatically better
Astral Abortis 04.19.18	Morrowind: Pros: best story, lore, mechanical depth, setting, style. Cons: clunky and terrible gameplay, learning curve, levelling curve. Oblivion: Pros: most fun quests. Cons: broken in every other aspect. Skyrim: Pros: uhhh....? Cons: everything.
Astral Abortis 04.19.18	I think that needing to mod a game is a huge con. I hate modding and only do it if necessary. Case in point, the only odded games out of the 100+ on my PC are all Bethesda titles. These aren't mods for fun, these are mods the make the games playable in 2018.
Astral Abortis 04.19.18	Oh right I've also got dsfix on Dark Souks, and a resolution mod on Nioh. In both cases needing to get those is a con. I dont like mods in general. I'm boring and I only want the vanilla experience designed by the developer.
kris. 04.19.18	every 6 or so months, i get the itch to jump back into skyrim and then it's all i do for a few weeks. that game is eternal imo.
Astral Abortis 04.19.18	I hated Skyrim from the very beginning. It always was and always will be a huge let down and a massive step in the wrong direction to fix the problems with the series.
mifzal 04.19.18	I don't know it was instant love for me
Astral Abortis 04.19.18	Eh i get how it could be enjoyable for some but it embodies everything i hate about open world "RPG"s
JWT155 04.19.18	What exactly did you hate about skyrim Astral Abortis? Just genuinely curious, chances are I'll agree with you on most of your points, sad fact is that with the increased popularity in the Elder Scrolls and Bethesda as a studio is that their content is going to be more streamlined and targeted for larger audience appeal which will mean an RPG that is heavily scaled back in terms of complexity in favor of broader appeal.
JWT155 04.19.18	Eh I would argue it's more streamlined. I feel like things like puzzles or having to really search an area for an item, person etc are some core RPG elements and Skyrim definitely has very straight forward quests where your compass points you exactly where you need to go, there's very little deduction and puzzle solving and most of the quests can be finished with very little thought. You can still finish quests multiple ways but I feel like in the past ingenuity and thinking outside of the box were much more encouraged.
Storm In A Teacup 04.19.18	I just want Borderlands 3, KOTOR 2, Jade Empire, Jedi Knight Jedi Academy, State of Decay 2, Morrowind, and then I'll never need another game for 6 months
Storm In A Teacup 04.19.18	Oh fuck and also Mercenaries 1
Gyromania 04.19.18	morrowind is leagues ahead of oblivion, which is flat and boring af, despite being a visual treat at the time. i think skyrim is mad overrated. the thing i hate about elder scrolls games is their worlds seem super padded with boring ass fetch quests and unintuitive gameplay. would take the witcher 3 any day over any elder scrolls title
Storm In A Teacup 04.19.18	Cant you just turn off the compass?
budgie 04.19.18	there's a mod for skyrim called R.E.Q.U.I.E.M. which makes it more like baldur's gate, and actually pretty fun, i'd recommend that for morrowind, there's morrowind rebirth, adds lots of good content. i'd love if anyone knew a mod for oblivion that is similar to R.E.Q.U.I.E.M.
StarlessCore 04.19.18	"morrowind is leagues ahead of oblivion, which is flat and boring af, despite being a visual treat at the time. " ayy a brain in here
Astral Abortis 04.20.18	@budg: sounds like instead of doing that you could just play better RPGs instead. Like Baldur's Gate
budgie 04.20.18	yeah idk i just don't play anything anymore, and i've played enough of baldur's gate and icewind dale over the years. if there was a proper mod for oblivion though (like r.e.q.u.i.e.m.) i would consider revisiting it, i remember it being so cozy, running through the forests in the rain, but the actual combat gameplay and leveling was shallow and lame.
Astral Abortis 04.20.18	You should try Pillars of Eternity if you want a new Baldur's Gate experience with a modern game. Sequel coming out next month too
Gyromania 04.20.18	Also second snox's comment re baldur's gate.
budgie 04.20.18	pillars of eternity was fun! never did get around to the expansion, or whatever it was
Gyromania 04.20.18	Anyone play divinity 1 and 2? Those are pretty stellar
Astral Abortis 04.20.18	The original games or the Original Sin games?
Maco097 04.20.18	Both are outdated and boring to play nowadays
Astral Abortis 04.20.18	The Original Sin games are very new and play like a dream. Original Sin 2 is one of the best D&D-like games ever because you truly feel like you can do anything.
Astral Abortis 04.20.18	The original games are indeed very dated though. Like the black sheep of the isometric RPG boom.
Gyromania 04.20.18	The new ones. Original sin 2 is a masterpiece of the highest order
Astral Abortis 04.20.18	Except the voice acting. I hate all the voice actors.