hel9000: My Soulsborne Ranking

SteakByrnes 08.27.20	DS1 > BB > DS3 = Demon's > DS2 I still gotta play Sekiro, but man DS1 is one of my all time favorites
hel9000 08.27.20	only about halfway(?) through Sekiro but loving it so far. might do a revised list after completing it.
LeddSledd 08.27.20	DS2 doesn't get enough love. The slow-paced and as you said "deliberate" combat is really great at points and, in my opinion, works far better for PvP.
hel9000 08.27.20	it’s a beautiful game so far
hel9000 08.27.20	and yeah defending DS2 is a small passion of mine haha
MillionDead 08.27.20	Very respectable list. I might Sekiro rate 3rd, just after DS1. Edit: Not sure though. DS1, Bloodborne, and Sekiro switch places in my head near constantly.
SteakByrnes 08.27.20	DS2 is easily the weakest to me lol, still a good game tho
hel9000 08.27.20	i can see why tbh. there's a lot of weird/bad shit in there. but i think there's a large amount of good-to-great stuff too. and as much as i am loving Sekiro i don't know if i'd actually include it in this list, thinking about it more. it's different in too many ways imo.
Ziggity 08.27.20	DS2 definitely had best pvp and class building.
Gyromania 08.27.20	"DS1 > BB > DS3 = Demon's > DS2" Correct ranking. Ds3 and bb have the best bosses
Minushuman24 08.27.20	hard disagree DS1>BB>DS3>Demon's>>>>DS2
MillionDead 08.27.20	Yeah, Sekiro is more of its own thing than any of the other games. Still, the dna is so undeniably there.
beefshoes 08.27.20	Great ranking and descriptions. I have yet to play DS3 and Sekiro, but DS1 is definitely a candidate for my favourite game. The pacing and sense of growth going from those first moments after you leave Firelink through defeating Ornstein & Smough are absolutely unrivaled in gaming. And the only reason the Lordsouls section lags behind the first part of the game is because of how comparatively weak LI and the Bed of Chaos are (which I genuinely dread doing each playthrough). For me: DS1>Demon's Souls>Bloodborne>DS2 DS2 is still a fantastic game. I just prefer the more open and non-linear style of the games that precede it in the ranking. Also, after playing Blighttown on the 2018 remaster, it's probably my favourite area in the entire series.
MillionDead 08.27.20	Demon Souls over Bloodborne?? Impossible.
beefshoes 08.27.20	Don't take offense, because DS1 through BB are damn near perfect games to me, and I am an unabashed fanboy of these games. I started with Demon's Souls, so I have tons of nostalgia for it and my experience with its PvP, which was genuinely the best in the series when it was at its most active. Having the addition of world tendency gave invasions a hell of a lot more weight, given the consequences of both success and failure.
SteakByrnes 08.27.20	"Also, after playing Blighttown on the 2018 remaster, it's probably my favourite area in the entire series." Yea for real, I liked Blighttown even before with all the frame issues but man is it dope to play it through smoothly. My favorite area is still Duke's Archives/Crystal Cave
Ziggity 08.27.20	Hell yea dukes archives got that dreary fantasy atmosphere down to a T.
Pon 08.27.20	Still haven't played Demon's Souls but BB > DS3 > DS1 > DS2 for me Eventually I'll get around to playing Sekiro lol
beefshoes 08.27.20	"My favorite area is still Duke's Archives/Crystal Cave" Amazing area indeed, with incredible atmosphere. Hopefully the Demon's Souls remake on the PS5 will go a long way in recapturing the magic of the original experience, without too many compromises. It's a classic in its own right, and immediately stands out from the rest of the series.
hel9000 08.27.20	speaking of which, has there been any word on whether or not that abandoned Archstone might be brought into play? that would be amazing.
Groundking 08.27.20	BB>Demon's>Sekiro>DS1>>>>DS3>>>>>DS2 DS1 ends up losing too much steam after being fatboyslim that the other 3 top tier from games just don't do, DS2 has the most meh bosses and feels most like a video game.
hel9000 08.27.20	yeah, there are a few too many lame bosses in DS2. the best in the base game is easily missable (Darklurker)
Thranth 08.27.20	DS1>BB>DS3>>>Sekiro>>>>>DS2 Havent played demon souls yet. Fuck dark souls 2, sekiro is overrated as fuck too
SteakByrnes 08.27.20	I'm so hype for the Demon's Souls remaster man
MillionDead 08.27.20	Sekiro is fairly rated if you ask me. Parrying and dodging are my favorite mechanics in From games, so the emphasis on that made the moment to moment gameplay exhilarating for me.
Thranth 08.27.20	To me, the rpg mechanics were just so lackluster. I love leveling and building my character with cool gear and weapons in dark souls. There is literally none of that in sekiro
Pon 08.27.20	To be fair Sekiro isn't marketed as and doesn't claim to be an RPG But I will miss the ability to make a lore-breaking abomination like I can in Souls
Thranth 08.27.20	Yeah, thats just personally why i dont like it as much :)
Groundking 08.27.20	Yeah Steak, Demon's remaster is where it's at.
MillionDead 08.27.20	Yeah, Sekiro is much more straight-forward in that regard. Wouldn't call it much of an RPG. You never become that much more potent by the end than you are in the beginning, sans a few upgrades. It's just you, the controller, and the enemy. That's a pretty refreshing deviation from the norm with From, if you ask me. And I say that with RPGs typically being my favorite kind of game, too.
LeddSledd 08.27.20	Sekiro has a more in-depth, linear single-player experience with a larger emphasis on vertical movement. SoulsBorne caters to multiplayer interests by having more restricted movement and varied class custimization.
beefshoes 08.27.20	"DS1 ends up losing too much steam after being fatboyslim that the other 3 top tier from games just don't do" Idk man, New Londo, Duke's Archives, the Painted World and Valley of the Giants are all really awesome locations with great and memorable bosses (especially Four Kings).
Pon 08.27.20	Tomb of the Giants is a very underrated area IMO and one of the very few places in gaming that made me feel proper dread the first time through (another being Irithyll Dungeon). Missing two bonfires on my way to Nito didn't help allay my nerves.
Pon 08.27.20	If there's one complaint I have about the newer Souls games it's that they don't have interesting environmental hazards (Tomb, Sen's Fortress, etc.) outside dumb status effects and restricted movement.
hel9000 08.27.20	man i'm going out on a limb here but that was one aspect i liked about Frigid Outskirts. sprinting between those whiteouts got my adrenaline pumping. not really a "hazard" per se but a hindrance.
Pon 08.27.20	Frigid Outskirts would've been a million times more tolerable if you got a bonfire outside Lud and Zallen's arena but ah well. That said I do prefer it to a couple areas in DS2 like Iron Passage or the fuckin' Black Gulch.
Aberf 08.27.20	DS 2 is unplayable to me. I haven't played Demon Souls, waiting patiently for that remake. And BB is by far the best if not for PS4 exclusive. So DS3=BB>DS>>>>>>>>DS2
LeddSledd 08.27.20	The Black Gulch is an easy sprint (I always went back late game with poison res) but the Iron Passage can absolutely fuck itself. And so can Frigid Outskirts, though I think I prefer that area to the former. And DS2 is a great game on its own, especially after the Scholar update.
hel9000 08.27.20	the poison statues and invasions in Black Gulch are annoying as hell, but i still kind of like it. i think it’s actually a neat looking area, i like the neon green on black. plus the thing with the two last giants below was cool. it really captured the feeling of being in a really deep forgotten place where you shouldn’t be. it’s a frustrating area gameplay-wise though for sure. pyromancy-ing the leech things is really satisfying though
beefshoes 08.27.20	"Tomb of the Giants is a very underrated area IMO and one of the very few places in gaming that made me feel proper dread the first time through (another being Irithyll Dungeon). Missing two bonfires on my way to Nito didn't help allay my nerves." Those skele-doggos.....enough said.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.27.20	I don't know how to rank these games they are all so precious. I need to play Bloodborne and Demon Souls again to properly rank them but I've played DS1-3 through multiple times and adore them all. DS1 probs overall favourite especially after playing the remaster. Its just got that OG charm. But there are aspects about each that I like better than in the others and people who bandwagon on the "ds2 is shit and is barely even recognizable as a dark souls game!!!" thing are mouthbreathers
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.27.20	"Missing two bonfires on my way to Nito didn't help allay my nerves." LOL word at least Nito is a cakewalk once you figure him out
Gyromania 08.28.20	without a divine weapon nito sucks. kind of wish they didn't add in the skeletons and just made his moveset a bit quicker, prob would have made him a contender for one of my favourite from bosses. i don't despise tomb of the giants but i don't think it's underrated either. it's a w/e area. there's not really much to see or do. it is cool that you can see izalith and ash lake from it though.
beefshoes 08.28.20	At least his AOE blast kills most of the skeles whenever he does it.
Aberf 08.28.20	FYI, using ring of fog before jumping to the Nito's boss arena will prevent the skele to aggro you. I'm addicted to DS3 currently and I've been doing SL1 run and no death challenge (haven't had a success in this one).
EyesWideShut 08.28.20	BB>Sekiro>>DS3 Im sure if I played DS when it was released I would dig it but that clunky feel aint for me in 2020
Trebor. 08.28.20	""deliberate" combat" ah yes, swinging in the complete opposite direction when engaging an enemy with lockon. It's deliberately terrible
LeddSledd 08.28.20	It's not the game's fault if the exquisitely designed combat mechanics are too forward-thinking for a pleb such as yourself
Gyromania 08.28.20	all of fromtsofts games after and including demon's souls are all an 9/10 or higher imo
JohnnyoftheWell 08.28.20	Lol people are still bitching about DS2 mechs in 2020? all that shit demands is an attention span and some ADAPTABILITY LEVELS smdh agree with Gyro if that 9/10 is relative to games in general and I guess this ranking is good. had a 2-second hissy fit at DS3 being lowest, but your reasoning is on point and DS2 deserves some extra love, props
Scheumke 08.28.20	I'm in the middle of them. Just finished DS3 and have yet to play DS1,2 and Demon's Souls (which I don't really have the option to play atm), but so far I would say: BB=Sekiro>>DS3. Sekiro and Bloodborne are near perfect games imo, DS3 had more problems (uninteresting areas mostly) but the bosses were mostly great (if a little on the easier side compared to the other two, but that might just be me getting better). Sekiro remains my personal favorite of the three though. Don't yet know if I'm gonna do a BB replay first or a DS1 playthough next.
Gyromania 08.28.20	personally feel that ds3 and bloodborne are the most 'enjoyable feeling' games in the series (not counting sekiro). the movement and speed makes them a cut above the others. like in dark souls 1 you don't have omnidirectional rolling which is kind of a huge problem after playing bb and ds3. like johnny said you can adapt to it and once you do the early games are still an absolute treat to play, but i love the freedom of movement in their later titles. i love the improvement to i-frames too. i think demon's souls, ds, and ds2 all have some glaringly awful hitboxes and latency issues, but it isn't an overly pervasive issue for most of the games. in terms of accessibility, i think demon's souls has to be dead last tbh. played it, loved it, maintain that it's a hard 9/10. but if i were to play it for the first time today (esp after playing other fromsoft games), i would probably think it handles horribly. world tendency was never a fully realized mechanic and is kind of poorly implemented, you have item encumbrance in the game which blows and just makes item management tedious as hell, etc. but the atmosphere and level design are so fucking good in demon's souls. it might have the best atmosphere in all of their games and i hope the remake doesn't forget that. ds2 would be a close second last but it's all relative because this game is still absolutely incredible imo and shit on a little too often. i think it has potentially the best and most consistently enjoyable dlc of all the souls games (barring the optional bosses in each which are all dogshit and their areas are somehow even trashier)
hel9000 08.28.20	"but the atmosphere and level design are so fucking good in demon's souls. it might have the best atmosphere in all of their games and i hope the remake doesn't forget that" hard agree. i regret not doing any online stuff when i played DeS. i guess there's a private server now but don't know how active it is these days.
hel9000 08.28.20	"Lol people are still bitching about DS2 mechs in 2020? all that shit demands is an attention span and some ADAPTABILITY LEVELS smdh " preach.
SteakByrnes 08.28.20	DS2 has the best greatsword
Zig 08.28.20	Only played DS1 (one of my favorites ever) and DS2 (good, but for most part boring). Want to get DsS someday.
hel9000 08.28.20	"DS2 has the best greatsword" so much fun to dual wield greatswords, too. should've mentioned duel wielding in my list.
secondsun 08.28.20	agreed with the ranking actually for pretty much all the same reasons. file me under the DS2 apologists, i kind of love the weird disconnected world, all the impossible geometry and the beauty of Majula gives the game a dreamlike feel unlike the others. and i actually kind of like all the humanoid bosses, i would much rather fight them than another big dumb monster that's too big to actually see half the time that you just end up standing under and stabbing in the foot the whole fight "DS2 has the best greatsword" absolutely, hated how they felt in 3 but 2's feel so great to use
Scheumke 08.28.20	I think Imma do DS1 next.. AHHH SO DIFFICULT. help me people: DS1 or Bloodborne 2nd run (I did the first without the DLC, but I have to do it again actually finishing it this time).
hel9000 08.28.20	BB DLC is utterly amazing. probably the single best soulsborne release. i would recommend that but going in on NG+ might be pretty brutal
Sinternet 08.28.20	think im starting to hate these games just because of how it's all people ever seem to talk about these days its like le dark souls le witcher le whatever fuck this shit
Pon 08.28.20	Now that's a dumb take if I ever seen one
Thranth 08.28.20	@scheum DS1 all day. And yeah, I get how it can get old to see people talk about the same thing alot, but thats normally a shite reason to dislike something. Especially when the games rule so much ass m/
secondsun 08.28.20	"DS1 or Bloodborne 2nd run..." DS1 is still probably the peak of the franchise, plus as a sekiro fan you'll probably be happy with how forgiving the parry is in that game BB DLC is incredible but pretty hardcore, you'd have to seriously level up for a while before you'll get anywhere in it. it does have probably the best bosses in the entire franchise
hel9000 08.28.20	"think im starting to hate these games just because of how it's all people ever seem to talk about these days its like le dark souls le witcher le whatever fuck this shit" ok? i like talking about these games. who gives a fuck.
Thranth 08.28.20	BB should have had estus over vials imo. One of the things that holds it back. DS1 difficulty is totally different than sekiros keep in mind. Reaction time and hard counters vs getting annihilated by random BS, trial and error style over and over lol
brainmelter 08.28.20	DS1 >DS3 >BB > Sekiro. Haven’t played demon souls or dark bowls 2 Bloodborne is amazing but it was the easiest of any of the FromSoft I’ve ever played by a large margin. Fighting other hunters were tough but a majority of the bosses were dealt with without great struggle(except for dlc heh). I think the meta of having a very strong dash/dodge and incentivizing you to be as aggressive as possible made the game the easiest to be op at idk
LeddSledd 08.28.20	Might be in the minority here, but DS3's DLC is probably my favorite of the SoulsBorne series, with DS2 at a close second. The Painted World and the Ringed City were an absolute blast to explore, not to mention having some of the best bosses in the series (excepting the Spear of the Church). Gael's boss fight is undoubtedly one of the most spectacular conclusions to any game I've played (or game series, depending on future DS releases).
Thranth 08.28.20	I think thats pretty fair actually. Forgot about those zones, totally awesome. DS4 leaks, is just Blighttown - The Game. Wwyd?
zakalwe 08.28.20	I want to give Dark Bowls 2 a go.
LeddSledd 08.28.20	"Blighttown - The Game. Wwyd?" Strap in, my body is ready
AsleepInTheBack 08.28.20	1 is indeed 1
AsleepInTheBack 08.28.20	sekiro is also fab, although the pain I had to go through to beat some of its bosses probs gave me ptsd and now i don't wanna play no more
zakalwe 08.28.20	Best Area - Anor Londo DS1 Best Boss - Ludwig BB although Artorias from DS1 is up there. Best Weapon - Black Knight Halberd DS1 Best Class. Sorcerer Best ‘Tactics’ - BB Best NPC - Siegmeyer of Caterina - DS1
Colton 08.28.20	Bloodborne is weird, I somehow beat Vicar Amelia on my first try but then died like 30 times to a bass a lot of people say is one of the easiest (forget the name, it was like a giant blob basically and there were balconies on the side)
SteakByrnes 08.28.20	"Best Area - Anor Londo DS1 Best Boss - Ludwig BB although Artorias from DS1 is up there. Best Weapon - Black Night Halberd DS1 Best Class. Sorcerer Best ‘Tactics’ - BB Best NPC - Siegmeyer of Caterina - DS1" Good choices, I'd switch best area for Duke's Archives and make best boss Artorias for sure. My favorite class is a hybrid of dex weapons + sorcery, really fun to slice up fools with crystal magic weapon and shit. Man that Black Knight Halberd was a menace in DS1, it was so good lol. Whirligig Saw is up there too for a favorite, and the DS2 greatsword
hel9000 08.28.20	huge agree on Ludwig as best boss, i look forward to him every time i play through. that change between phases is just so awesome.
zakalwe 08.28.20	The one reborn. Thing is a slag with its one hit kill thing unless your a strength build and just smash it to fuck in a few seconds.
Colton 08.28.20	Yeah that one. It was annoying cause every time you die you have to walk 8 miles to get back.
zakalwe 08.28.20	Nah. There’s that transporter pool thing near it which you can get to from the unseen village. The trek to some of them bosses is such a ballache. Worst Boss Trek - Seth DS1
SteakByrnes 08.28.20	The One Reborn was a nightmare the first time lol, somehow beat it first try
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.28.20	"Best Class. Sorcerer" I see we have a coward in our midsts
Pon 08.28.20	You'll cowards don't even play deprived
Trebor. 08.28.20	casting is so boring
zakalwe 08.28.20	Most fun to be had dicking about with spells.
LeddSledd 08.28.20	Yeah sorcery class is fun once you get the hang of the more advanced spells. The biggest problem with that class is having to slog through the first third of the game using little more than soul arrows and a light sword. And high level miracles are a grind but OP as shit once you get them.
Trebor. 08.28.20	idk in DS you just stand still and shoot a blue thingy out of a stupid looking staff Although arcane build in Bloodborne is the most fun I've had in any of the games
Colton 08.28.20	"Best Class. Sorcerer" that's pretty fucked up man I wouldn't share that on a public internet forum
SteakByrnes 08.28.20	Arcane builds in bloodborne are insane
hel9000 08.28.20	agreed. executioners gloves almost break the game. i don't mind playing a sorcerer. Hexer in DS2 was a blast
Scheumke 08.28.20	Aight DS1 it is. So far for me I'd say: Best Area: either cainhurst or Fountainhead Palace Best Boss: Sister Friede / Ishin Best Weapon: Sellsword winblades
Aberf 08.28.20	"You'll cowards don't even play deprived" You'll cowards don't even do SL1 run.
beefshoes 08.28.20	Royalty is definitely the most broken class in all of soulsborne.
Gyromania 08.28.20	Fointain head and cainhurst are top 10 if not top 5 fromsoft levels, and ishin and friede same thing. Very solid picks
Gyromania 08.28.20	Anyone else get into Nioh 1 and 2? I played one like 70% through and ended up getting fed up but I'm liking 2 a lot more after about 8 hours
Gyromania 08.28.20	Regarding ringed city. I have to be honest, I love the overall aesthetics, bosses, and enemies a lot, but I'm a bit let down by the area ngl. Almost half of it is a big swamp. You see this glorious city in the backdrop and you never really get to explore any of it aside from one street that leads to the swamp with a bunch of recycled enemies from the dreg heap
EyesWideShut 08.29.20	Tbh DS3 had some p weak bosses compared to BB and Sekiro. I didn't really get that rush after beating em, just wanted to see whats next.
AsleepInTheBack 08.29.20	@gyro Loved Nioh 1. Beat it save for a bunch of the extra stuff at the endgame. Not got Nioh 2 yet. I heard it was catastrophically hard, and after sekiro I haven't been in the right state of mind to jump back on the pain train.
zakalwe 08.29.20	Sekiro was disappointing. Lack of RPG bits and bobs is not my thing. I need points put into dex.
Thranth 08.29.20	@zakalwe I agree 99%. Except you need to be putting those points into strength. DEMON GREATAXE OR BUST
LeddSledd 08.29.20	it's clobberin time
Scheumke 08.29.20	With Sekiro more than with the other games I didn't nessesarily feel that the character got better, I got better and I loved that! Granted, it was my first Fromsoft so I didn't have the expectations that a veteran would have.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.29.20	Ds3 had some of the best bosses of the entire souls franchise dunno what ur on about
trilo 08.29.20	ds2 needs to be at the bottom but dece list otherwise
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.29.20	I have yet to hear a convincing or compelling argument for what makes ds2 notably worse than the other games in the franchise
LeddSledd 08.29.20	here, here
Colton 08.29.20	haven't played DS2 but DS1 had super clunky movement to me, if DS2 improved on that at all it's automatically a better game to me
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.29.20	Well Ds2 was my first souls game and the transition to Ds1 felt very jarring at first because of that Everything else about Ds1 makes up for it once u get used to the clunky feel but yeah it's janky for sure
EyesWideShut 08.30.20	@Potts Greatwood, Crystal Sages, Deacons, Giant Skeleton, Aldrich, and Oceiros were p weak at least compared to Bloodborne imo broski Sekiro bosses were more exciting for me too.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.30.20	All of these games have some weak bosses and some great bosses but the great bosses in ds3 vastly overshadow the weak ones Abyss watchers, sulyvahn, dancer, lothric, nameless king, sister friede, double demons, and slave knight were all amazing lots of other good ones too
JohnnyoftheWell 08.30.20	Agreed, plus Bloodborne has as many weaker bosses as DS3
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.30.20	For example, micolash, the absolute worst boss fight of any of these games
JohnnyoftheWell 08.30.20	#2 after Bed of Chaos but yes lol, awkward
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.30.20	And fucking rom too my god
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.30.20	Honestly would take bed of chaos over micolash cuz at least u get to go down a cool slide and also the lore is cool
JohnnyoftheWell 08.30.20	Honestly don't mind Ron but yeah, not a highlight Also, Mergo's Wet Nurse for possibly the most boring end-of-arc fight in the series
JohnnyoftheWell 08.30.20	Bro I've been down that slide one time too many, defs a good vibe the first time tho
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.30.20	Since I've only played bloodborne once a lot of the bosses are a little hazy for me but going through the list there are a lot of not very memorable ones. Lots of fur and tentacles. Ludwig was sick tho
Gyromania 08.30.20	Blood starved beast, rom the vacuous spider (controversial I know), martyr logarius, gehrman, ebrietas, ludwig, oprhan, and maria are some of from's best bosses imo
Gyromania 08.30.20	In agreement that micolash is complete trash tho. Rom I think is fun to multitask. Weaving in and out of the spiders for some risky hits, then scrambling to find a path out is exhilarating as hell. I like spatial reasoning stuff like this personally. Systematically killing all the spiders and then attacking rom is when the fight becomes tedious as hell
Gyromania 08.30.20	"Abyss watchers, sulyvahn, dancer, lothric, nameless king, sister friede, double demons, and slave knight were all amazing lots of other good ones too" Add soul of cinder and dragonslayer armour to that for me. I'd maybe replace suluvahn with aldrich tbh. After learning how to fight him he becomes pretty fun. Sulyvahn feels like a bloodborne boss in a sekiro game. His speed is kind of bs and his wombo combos change all the time which makes adapting to him extremely hard if not impossible
zakalwe 08.30.20	‘I have yet to hear a convincing or compelling argument for what makes ds2 notably worse than the other games in the franchise‘ We’ve spoken about this before pots. World design Character design NPCs. Lack of atmosphere. The bosses The lightweight sword and shield tactics Weapons with no meat to them The trek from one area to the next with nothing unifying it by way of the classic From shortcuts Some absolutely nonsense bosses. The loss of health upon death reeked of ‘lets make it hard because people who play these games will like that’ But mainly it’s that lack of atmosphere.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.30.20	Like I said, I've yet to hear a convincing or compelling argument
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.30.20	Also yeah soul of cinder Aldrich and dragonslayer are all good too
Gyromania 08.30.20	the world design is disjointed otherwise it's pretty solid. it isn't as brilliantly connected as 1 but it still features a lot of class locations (esp the dlc). there are a lot of shit bosses i will concede that, and the npcs aren't as memorable on the whole.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.30.20	Yeah map is slightly disjointed compared to Ds1 but I still love a lot of the areas. And the first half of ds3's map is worse than both, so monotonous. Pretty standard shit:underwhelming:good boss ratio for fromsoft. I enjoy/remember many of the npc's, can barely remember any ds3 npc's.
LeddSledd 08.30.20	yeah kinda disappointing looking at the bosses at ds2 since a bunch are just ripped straight from ds1 and/or just bad - lot of great ones to counter those, though. NPC's were pretty mememorable imo; as long as I am alive I will allow no one to talk bad about my boy Gavlan. "You wheel? You deal! Hahahaha!"
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.30.20	Pretty much all of zaks points are either negligible or just nonsense
Gyromania 08.30.20	ds2 was my first experience with fromsoft so i'm prob biased as hell but that game was my addiction for a very long time
Scheumke 08.30.20	Was I the only one who absolutely loved Midir? A dragon fight done completely right for me. I actually got the feeling that it was trying to actively kill me, instead of most dragon fights where its, swipe swipe firebreath repeat.
Gyromania 08.30.20	midir was okay. i kicked his ass after like 5 attempts. tbh the fight is just long and pretty boring. hate how some of his attack animations move him to the complete opposite end of the arena, made chasing after him a bit of a chore. still think kalameet is their best dragon.
Thranth 08.31.20	rom rom rom rom rom rom rom rom rom rom rom
JohnnyoftheWell 08.31.20	kalameet is the boi, adore that fight
Gyromania 08.31.20	pretty sure he's the only dragon in the series with psychic abilities too
Gyromania 08.31.20	wait, no. ancient dragon can speak to you. not sure if he's actually speaking or telepathically tho
zakalwe 08.31.20	Who the fuck is Kos or some say Kosm?
aydross121 08.31.20	GOAT video game series at this point. All games are good, but if I had to rank them: BB = DS1 = DS3 > Sekiro > Demon's souls >> DS2 DS2 is good but bosses are underwhelming, and those are my favorite moments from the series.
JohnnyoftheWell 08.31.20	Ancient Dragon is a fake dragon though, so he doesn't count :'[
aydross121 08.31.20	"Was I the only one who absolutely loved Midir?" Nah man I loved Midir. Mechanically, It's a bit of an endurance test, but It was still fun to whack its head with the tree stump.
aydross121 08.31.20	Also I can write a thesis about how the Capra Demon closet fight is ACTUALLY a great boss fight and maybe I'll do it.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	Kalameet is as lame as any other dragon fight except he thinks hes fucking professor x
Groundking 08.31.20	The best area they've ever done is Tower of Latria. Best boss is Gerhman, the music is amazing and he has one of the nicest boss rooms and is hard as nails if you don't parry cheese.
hel9000 08.31.20	“ The best area they've ever done is Tower of Latria.” I might agree with you here. Those screams are fucked up, I love how dark that area is
Groundking 08.31.20	The atmoshpere in the area is amazing and the lore behind it all is messed up.
Thranth 08.31.20	whats the best way to play demonsouls now?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	Probably wait for the remaster
Thranth 08.31.20	okay thanks. Also capra demon is a good fight, i never understood why people thought it was so bad
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	I like capra demon. The dogs were annoying as shit but you can spam them by just running up the stairs and standing on the ledge so you cant get gangbanged
DungeonBoy 08.31.20	I have Dark Souls remastered sitting on my shelf. It's the only Souls game I haven't played/beaten, but i'm anxious about starting it. These games have a way of consuming my life and patience. I'm not very good at them, but I manage to beat all of them. The Lord of Cinder took me 3 hours to beat, but I finally beat him. I always win. Never forget that.
hel9000 08.31.20	Another Capra fan here. It’s a fun, tense little encounter
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	Ds1 remaster is a delight my dude
SteakByrnes 08.31.20	When I first played Dark Souls I got stuck at the Capra Demon, I gave up for a bit and then after not playing for months I beat him first try lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	And then u get to go fight like 5 of them in a row later and feel like a fuckin big boy
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	I think sif is still my favorite fromsoft boss fight. Just so tragic and beautiful
Thranth 08.31.20	Its interesting how different bosses give people an extremely varied amount of trouble. I beat capra first try, and DS1 was my first souls game. Yet when i got to DS3, that damn crystal witch kicked my ass for hours, and shes considered easy for most
SteakByrnes 08.31.20	Sif is great, and the added scene if you do the dlc before fighting him is a heart wrencher. Artorias is def my favorite boss fight, that was exhilarating and almost like an incredibly dangerous dance haha
DungeonBoy 08.31.20	"that darn crystal witch kicked my butt for hours, and shes considered easy for most" that's embarrassing dude.
GuanoBumbershoot 08.31.20	There were an embarrassing amount of times where the combination of caffeine, frustration, time spent, and brewing gamer rage led to my face actually shaking while fighting The Nameless King. Even when I had his rhythms down and everything, I still found endless ways to fuck myself over. One of the most satisfying/memorable game boss experiences I've ever had.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	"Its interesting how different bosses give people an extremely varied amount of trouble. " yeah agreed, one instance that comes to mind is my friend having a fucking nightmare of a time against Quelaag on his first run of ds1 and then I caught up to him and crushed her in like two or three attempts. Capra was also difficult for me my first playthrough but he's been a cakewalk ever since. Crystal Witch is deffs jokes tho, she's only ever killed me once on NG+. "Sif is great, and the added scene if you do the dlc before fighting him is a heart wrencher. Artorias is def my favorite boss fight, that was exhilarating and almost like an incredibly dangerous dance haha" I know, so sad. Artorias is up there for sure too although he made me pretty mad on NG+. Speaking of dangerous dances, Dancer of the Boreal Valley is a great fight.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	"The Nameless King. Even when I had his rhythms down and everything, I still found endless ways to fuck myself over. One of the most satisfying/memorable game boss experiences I've ever had." i feel you dat second phase.
LeddSledd 08.31.20	I felt the exact same way about Gael. Something about his spastic attack patterns just didn't click with me for the longest time. The feeling of fighting this crazed being bent on taking the life essence of the last survivors of a broked world was so thrilling - and upon beating him, being the only one left after an endless cycle of failed rekindlings. Definitely the most I've ever been absorbed in a game's narrative.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	also i honestly like most of the ds2 boss fights to varying degrees. there are a few terrible ones but there are a few terrible ones in every fromsoft game. Plus Fume Knight, Sir Alonne, and Burnt Ivory King are top tier fromsoft bosses imo
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	Gael is top 5 fromsoft boss material for me
LeddSledd 08.31.20	Alonne and Ivory King are fantastic. Fuck Fume Knight tho, his hitboxes are the definition of broken.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	haha he's definitely no walk in the park
GuanoBumbershoot 08.31.20	"dat second phase." Oh man...the amount of times I lost to him, I really started to resent having to do the first phase each subsequent time to get to face off against him again. Especially considering I could do the first phase in my sleep after like the first 2 attempts lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	haha totally by the time i finally beat him i could pretty much fuck his wyvern up in like 60 seconds with 1 or 2 ripostes, it was second nature. took me a couple sessions and rage quits to finally kill that dude but my god was it satisfying. will never forget that boss.
JohnnyoftheWell 08.31.20	recently took him out with a master's rags, 4 estus and a bandit knife build. shit was absolutely fraught and that wyvern is toast every time
Gyromania 08.31.20	"Kalameet is as lame as any other dragon fight except he thinks hes fucking professor x" except for the fact that he doesn't play much like the other dragon fights at all. he isn't spending 90% of his time flying away from you and he doesn't have a tediously huge health pool
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	"recently took him out with a master's rags, 4 estus and a bandit knife build." OK VIRGIN "he isn't spending 90% of his time flying away from you and he doesn't have a tediously huge health pool" oh bruh flies plenty i was mostly being facetious tho he's definitely one of the least worst dragons
Gyromania 08.31.20	"Fume Knight, Sir Alonne, and Burnt Ivory King are top tier fromsoft bosses imo" fume knight 100%. that fight is perfect after you use those smelter wedges. one of the best they've ever done. sir alonne and burnt ivory king i just do not get tho. sir alonne has an awesome boss room but his moveset is rly dull and uninteresting and he keeps jumping away from the player. burnt ivory king has perhaps the best boss presentation they've done and yet the fight is incredibly 1 dimensional. he spends sooooo much time jumping away from the player and he does the same like 1 or 2 attacks over and over again
Mongi123 08.31.20	Switch 2 and 1 for me. And DS 2 is absolute trash. Easily the clunkiest and most tedious one i've placed. Never played demon souls but i'm gonna play the remake. DS is awesome. Honestly, if we threw Sekiro in there I'd be 3 for me.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	you really don't like when bosses practice social distancing huh?
Gyromania 08.31.20	also sif is great for his lore but the fight is pretty w.e. royal rat authority is basically a better version of it
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	nah sif fight is absolutely gorgeous royal rat authority on the other hand is one of the worst boss fights of all time
Gyromania 08.31.20	i don't understand how anyone who's played ds can think ds 2 is "absolute trash".
Mongi123 08.31.20	Agreed with pots Sif is beautiful and honestly kinda somber to fight for me cause I hate killing wolfs/dogs in games lol
Gyromania 08.31.20	lol pots i was just kidding. was expecting an outrageous reaction because royal rat is universally considered trash
Mongi123 08.31.20	Also, I found the gems to be totally unreliable, you're takes for goddamn ever to heal with the flasks, and the dodged threw attacks mechanic always felt super broken for me. Guess we just had different experiences with it.
Mongi123 08.31.20	Who knows? Maybe I was just total jack shit at that particular one for some reason. I'm pretty good and the other ones, especially bloodborne.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	" royal rat is universally considered trash" is it? it sure should me. i fucking hate that rat it's not quite gimmick tier bad (like rat vanguard, witch of izalith, micolash etc) but definitely one of my absolute least favourite normal fromsoft boss fights
Gyromania 08.31.20	i will agree with you that estus drinking is complete garbage in ds 2. another annoyance i have is how long it takes you to go through fog walls. pretty sure in ds1 once you interacts with it that's it, you have i-frames and will make it through np, but in ds2 i can't begin to recount the number of times i died due to some enemy running up and lunging at me a second before i passed through and cancelling the animation
Mongi123 08.31.20	Oh god fuck the bed of chaos. Fuck it all to hell.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	ds1 felt way clunkier/jankier than ds2 to me and i played it directly after ds2. i also personally find ds2 to be the easiest of the souls games if you don't include the dlc so yeah i dunno
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	ds1 you can get fucked up traversing fog walls too, if u arent quick enough to get to four kings or ornstein boss fights for instance, you will get rekt
Gyromania 08.31.20	royal rat authority sucks because of the smaller rats that poison you, and his hitbox is wonky plus it's just a way shittier sif fight. royal rat vanguard at least has a cool looking boss room and okayish gimmick. wouldn't rate in my top 50 bosses but it isn't the worst thing ever
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	yeah ill take vanguard over authority tbh
Gyromania 08.31.20	pots: it is possible but you can't deny it's a much bigger issue in ds2. it seems to take like 3 times longer in ds2, plus enemy placement is pretty bad. like don't get me wrong i love ds2 and will defend the hell out of it but the gank squads in that game are the worst in all of their games, and they have a tendency to place them right before a boss
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	i've never noticed either of those things tbh and i've played ds2 vanilla twice through and scholar twice through
Mongi123 08.31.20	If we're talking favorite FromSoft bosses, I genuinely think it's the Guardian Ape for me. Perfect amount of difficulty, absolutely jaw dropping in the way it's animated and they really know how to make something as simple as an ape seem intimidating af lol idk if I'm in the minority on that.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	to be completely frank there isn't a single overly troublesome gank squad that jumps to mind for me for ds2, i remember you hate the chariot commute and consider that a pretty bad gank squad but i never had much trouble with it
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	havent played sekiro but will likely get a ps4 once ps5 comes out and play that and bloodborne again
Mongi123 08.31.20	Sekiro will kick your ass lol such a great game. I honestly never made it too far in DS 2. But yea there's bosses with gimmacks that just don't seem like they belong in a souls game like that chariot thing.
Gyromania 08.31.20	scholar makes it even worse with endless rehashed enemies and mini bosses. i used to love the sinner fight until i was subjected to the scholar version of it. i feel like fromsoft's thought process is: "how can we make this cool boss fight harder? ah, i know: let's turn it into a gank fight". most of the bosses that come to mind have long runs to get to and feature a ton of enemies. enemy density in the game is a huge problem at times. like those lame ass whip guys guarding the way to the executioner's chariot, or all of the optional dlc bosses. shrine of amana comes to mind too, which was terrible to run back through. even velstadt with the bonfire close by was a chore due to the like 20 enemies outside his room
Gyromania 08.31.20	mongi: i'm one of the people who dropped their controller after phase one and laughed saying "what a fight!". when i stood up to go get some food i got the shock of my life lmao. definitely agree that fight is incredible. doesn't get enough credit
Gyromania 08.31.20	and yeah pots sekiro is hard af. sword saint is probably the most challenging fromsoft boss they've ever made. i must have died to him for like 5 straight hours before i got the W
Mongi123 08.31.20	Demon Of Hatred for worst FromSoft boss ever? That thing is excessively difficult and you can barely block anything. And it has three. THREE health bars lmao
LeddSledd 08.31.20	yeah agreed that DS2 has an issue with over-ganking. the worst part about some of the harder bosses is that you have to kill 30 heavily armed guards in front of the fog gate every time you try again, or spend like 3 minutes running in circles to lure them away enough so that they don't cancel the fog animation
Pon 08.31.20	None of the ganks in DS2 are particularly "troublesome" I guess but they can get really tedious, especially as you come to expect them at every turn. It only took me three tries to beat Smelter Demon for example, but it was still incredibly annoying to have to lure about a dozen Alonne Knights in a very specific order on the way because of their ridiculous aggro-ranges. Weirdly enough though I didn't mind the Shrine of Amana despite all the horror stories I'd heard.
Gyromania 08.31.20	i thought it was terrible for a while but once you know how to fight it it isn't the worst thing ever. it has some bs moves but after countless deaths you learn that every single attack is avoidable. i've beat him without taking damage. it is a bit of a tedious fight tho, same as midir. shit just drags on forever
LeddSledd 08.31.20	Shrine of Amana sucks solely because of those fucking mages that can hit you from across the map. that attack is ridiculously stupid also those long-tongue bleed monsters that lurk in the water
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	"scholar makes it even worse with endless rehashed enemies and mini bosses. i used to love the sinner fight until i was subjected to the scholar version of it. i feel like fromsoft's thought process is: "how can we make this cool boss fight harder? ah, i know: let's turn it into a gank fight". most of the bosses that come to mind have long runs to get to and feature a ton of enemies. enemy density in the game is a huge problem at times. like those lame ass whip guys guarding the way to the executioner's chariot, or all of the optional dlc bosses. shrine of amana comes to mind too, which was terrible to run back through. even velstadt with the bonfire close by was a chore due to the like 20 enemies outside his room" yeah i dunno ive never noticed much of a discrepency between the souls games in this matter, they all have some shitty commutes and ganks. i think yall need to get better at running or somethin
Gyromania 08.31.20	jac: alonne knights are before sir alonne, but the blue smelter boss run was fucking abysmal too. like ledd said, it kind of blows ass that in order to rechallenge a lot of bosses the most optimal thing to do is somehow kite them around a room until you think you'll have enough frames to make it through the fog wall or systematically take out every single enemy. this is especially bad for ancient dragon which i forgot to mention. if you die to him don't even bother attempting to fight him again tbh
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	"yeah agreed that DS2 has an issue with over-ganking. the worst part about some of the harder bosses is that you have to kill 30 heavily armed guards in front of the fog gate every time you try again, or spend like 3 minutes running in circles to lure them away enough so that they don't cancel the fog animation" like which? run faster "It only took me three tries to beat Smelter Demon for example, but it was still incredibly annoying to have to lure about a dozen Alonne Knights in a very specific order on the way because of their ridiculous aggro-ranges. Shrine of Amana sucks solely because of those fucking mages that can hit you from across the map. that attack is ridiculously stupid" oh yeah i remember these things. love both of those areas tho lol.
Gyromania 08.31.20	"yeah i dunno ive never noticed much of a discrepency between the souls games in this matter, they all have some shitty commutes and ganks" idk if this applies to ds3 lol. they're a bit stupid with the bonfire placements. oceiros is the only one that comes to mind that was a bit of a chore to get back to, but you don't have to really worry about dying to anything along the way. champion gundyr too. that actually might be the hardest boss run in the game come to think of it
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	re: ancient dragon run more better and don't die its virtually impossible to die to ancient dragon if you know how to fight him anyway easiest dragon in the franchise
LeddSledd 08.31.20	i actually always skipped the Smelter Demon and just charged my way through to get to the bonfire right before the Old Iron King. after dying a dozen times it just becomes second nature to aggro the alonne knights in order or just run past them altogether.
JohnnyoftheWell 08.31.20	Royal rat authority has v little value but isn't offensively bad "OK VIRGIN" ex-virgin bby, that boi is thicc and I have scars to show you
Gyromania 08.31.20	guardian dragon is at least a thousand times easier than ancient dragon. ancient dragon has a hilariously stupid hitbox. i've died to his claw swipes from like 20 feet away. he's also moved his foot back an inch and brushed my shoulder and insta killed me. and ofc his terrible fire aoe attack. it's easy enough to dodge once you know to run towards his tail, but it's still incredibly stupid. worst dragon boss in the franchise by a huge margin imo
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	u literally just wedge yourself between his toes and run back and forth between his left and right leg whenever he tries to stomp, hacking away with two hands the entire fight and you'll never get hit
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	because he's so easy to spam i'll agree that he's one of the worst dragon fights but yeah he's easy af
Pon 08.31.20	I had no problem getting to the Ancient Dragon and the fight itself is a complete joke yeah. Terrible boss runs in DS2 that I recall off the top of my head Lud & Zallen, Gank Squad, both Smelter Demons, Chariot, The Rotten, Velstadt, Sir Alonne and - more than anything else - the fuckin' Darklurker
Gyromania 08.31.20	yeah, that's the exact strat i do but i'm telling you, sometimes he moves his leg a tiny bit and BAM instakill. his hitboxes are egregiously shit
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	Lud and Zallen and Sir Alonne commutes are aids i will agree to that The Rotten is super easy tho dunno what you're talking about there, did u miss the secret bonfire? Chariot run has always been easy for me too, Gank Squad run is annoying but easy to manage, don't really remember the other ones
Pon 08.31.20	I think the only boss that made the requisite-enemy-kills shtick fun was Burnt Ivory King cause you can bring your own squad with you. It almost felt like an apology lol
LeddSledd 08.31.20	I HATED the Darklurker But The Rotten? Cmon man there's a bonfire right in front of the fog gate
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	Sir Alonne commute is so bad that i eventually just defaulted to farming everything in the area until they stopped respawning
Gyromania 08.31.20	darklurker is complete fucking trash agreed. i mean the fight is great but the boss run is one of the stupidest things they've ever done. lud and zallen is possibly the worst boss run they've ever done. the rotten is easy tho - you must have missed the hidden bonfire right by his door. i farmed that boss for sooooo long. i think my bonfire ascetic on him is like 110 or something stupid
Pon 08.31.20	"did u miss the secret bonfire" I did on my first playthrough so I had to hack through the broken-hitbox slime-hand things and then got a series of NPC invasions. I know the commute is short but it is very unforgiving if you aren't privy to the area's secrets.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	hot take but i love the gulch
LeddSledd 08.31.20	hard agree, the gulch is one my favorite areas in the game. love the atmosphere and enemy designs, especially the hidden giants. my only gripe is the poison statues but they're easy if you know how to counter them.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	yeah the secret giant cave is so dope also big fan of the gutter tbqh
Gyromania 08.31.20	agreed it's a great area. it's short but it has such a distinct look and feel to it. and yeah the giants were a cool addition. they're actually hard af to fight if you arent' kiting them around and fighting them individually
Gyromania 08.31.20	the gutter is kind of garbage tho tbh. it's like a way less inspired blighttown
Pon 08.31.20	Y'all see that recent video on the scrapped version of The Gutter? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_YcEvpAafE
Gyromania 08.31.20	heides tower of flame, forest of the fallen giants, iron keep, drangleic castle, black gulch, and maybe brightstone cove are my favourite areas of the core game
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	nah gutter is sick its like a way more open blighttown. love the endless depth of it, love the way the cavern walls look like they are melting, love the process of lighting all the torches and the ability to just take massive leaps of faiths to different areas etc, its fuckin danke
Gyromania 08.31.20	wait, not brightstone cove. that area is trash. i meant doors of pharros
LeddSledd 08.31.20	also, can we get some love for the Ashen Mist Heart mechanic? not only do you get to travel back in time through a memory and kill giants, but you also fight Sir Knight Alonne and the Giant Lord, who is the Last Giant that you re-killed at the start of the game so sick
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_YcEvpAafE" this is dope
Gyromania 08.31.20	those memories are very weak tho and that boss is extremely w.e
JohnnyoftheWell 08.31.20	Ashen Heart is kinda cool, and kinda "uh hi, it's the endgame: TIME TRAVEL! ok have fun" - like, I know the flow of time is distorted etc., but the exposition was clunky as hell
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	https://www.medicinenet.com/antihistamines_with_decongestants-oral/article.htm
LeddSledd 08.31.20	:-( yeah ok i guess you plebs cant handle how much it rocks
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	the 3 giant memories were a bit unsubstantial but the idea was cool but sir alonne was dope and i'm not buying the "he moves away from you" criticism because I don't see how that is a determining factor in a bosses quality unless u are just really impatient - in which case what are you doing playing souls games?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	also lol at criticizing "exposition" in a souls game
Gyromania 08.31.20	hitting an enemy only to have him jump 50 feet away from you and make you wait ages for an opening with not much to do other than holding up guard is pretty boring tbh. i like that fume knight is constantly engaging you and forcing you to roll and block and go for risky attacks. more than anything tho sir alonne just plays a lot like his alonne knights. like his moveset really isn't anything special when you break it down. same with burnt ivory king. the only things they get to show a change in the fight is a damage buff to their swords, whereas fume knight gets a huge new moveset with varying attack speeds. i just feel like they put way more effort into fume knight
Gyromania 08.31.20	also this video on the gutter is incredible. still have like 10 mins to go but it's insane to think of how cool this area could have been. they didn't need to scrap the black glutch either, they could have just made a cave at the bottom that led to it
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	bruh alonne literally jumps away from you for .5 seconds and then closes the gap with a sword rush i have no idea what ur talking about re: waiting for openings for ages
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	there are much worse offenders for making you wait for an opening to attack in this franchise about waiting for openings to attack
Gyromania 08.31.20	he jumps back a lot if i remember correctly. his huge jump back is usually followed by a lunge but a lot of his smaller jumps are just annoying. it's nowhere near as bad as burnt ivory king tho
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	yeah he jumps back a lot but this in no way prevents you from having an opening to attack like every 4 seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr7YUftzASA
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	also think the spectacle of rolling into the burnt ivory king battle with an army of homies and sealing all the portals is dope, cool fight
Gyromania 08.31.20	yeah i just watched that fight and i still remember it pretty well. but see, he has like... 4 moves. maybe 6 if you count slight variations but they're very slight. a lunch upper slice, a lunge stab, a 1-2 attack that he does like 90% of the time, and the very rare move where he jumps in the air and drives his sword into the ground. oh and the even rarer weird projectile attack that's easy as balls to dodge. it isn't a bad fight, it's actually a pretty good one, but i really don't get the hype. his moveset is ridiculously simplistic and fighting him doesn't feel especially exhilarating (to me at least). fume knight has like 30 different attacks and is much faster paced. he also has a proper phase 2 which is something sir alonne is lacking.
Gyromania 08.31.20	yeah burnt ivory king i do love the spectacle i agree it is dope. having your boys fend off the knights and sacrifice themselves for you to have that final confrontation is cool. his sauron-like entrance too is total badass and one of the coolest in the franchise.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	part of the hype is just that he's just really fucking cool
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	i can see ur point tho
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.01.20	and seperating burnt ivory knight from the first phase of the battle i can see how he is underwhelming compare to fume too but that whole first part with the boi's is all part of the battle to me
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.01.20	i love the little lore reference of entering fume knight battle in velstadt armor and having him immediately start in phase 2 out of sheer butthurt
hel9000 09.01.20	Yeah. I love his death scream too
aydross121 09.01.20	I also didn't feel Sir Alonne played more defensively than, say Artorias. Both guys liked to jump back but immediately went in again. Also his checked floor is majestic, that thing alone gives DS2 a +1 point.
Gyromania 09.01.20	hahaha i didn't know about the velstadt armour. that is too funny
Gyromania 09.01.20	yeah don't get me wrong sir alonne is one of the best bosses in ds2, i just don't think he's one of the best in the franchise. i feel he gets overrated quite a bit and i think a lot of that has to do with the aesthetics of the battle. and i do admit it's a gorgeous looking arena and alonne looks badass
Gyromania 09.01.20	imagine all the people who got to fume knight and just happened to be wearing velstadt's armour who were like "fuck this shit this is stupid"
aydross121 09.01.20	Yeah agree, gameplay-wise Alonne is fun to fight but it's no Champion Gundyr.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.01.20	"i think a lot of that has to do with the aesthetics of the battle. and i do admit it's a gorgeous looking arena and alonne looks badass" well tbf aesthetics of the battles is an important component to my enjoyment and most of my highly ranked boss fights are pretty atmospheric hence sif being an all time fav
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.01.20	"imagine all the people who got to fume knight and just happened to be wearing velstadt's armour who were like "fuck this shit this is stupid"" dat me after getting fucking rekt'd numerous times i tried some different armour and rolled into the boss fight like "???????"
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.01.20	and funnily enough, i ended up beating him my first run with a method of baiting him into keeping his baby sword powered up for the whole fight which makes it so he never enters phase 2 so i spent pretty much my entire time fighting him in either one phase or the other but never both lmao
Pon 09.01.20	"i love the little lore reference of entering fume knight battle in velstadt armor and having him immediately start in phase 2 out of sheer butthurt" Is he butthurt or does he simply recognise you as a threat who bested the guy who bested him? We'll never know m/
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.01.20	^Velstadt bested Fume Knight and besmirched his rep bro
Gyromania 09.01.20	haha it's always interesting to hear the different experiences souls players have. like crystal sage being a wall. i want to say wtf is that, but i've gotten hard stuck on bosses other people have apparently sailed through. like burnt ivory king i beat second try, meanwhile i was stuck on pontiff for like 2 hours. i think oceiros is a total joke and can do a no-damage run on him like 90% of the time but apparently people get stuck hard on him too. gundyr as well i never thought was that hard despite him being a huge wall for players. even nameless king i don't find too hard but he is def a challenge, meanwhile dragonslayer armour and old demon king wreck my shit for days. and yeah aesthetics are def important. it's why i love the dragon fight in sekiro. unlike yhorm from ds3, the divine dragon is a spectacle fight done well.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.01.20	Fume Knight fucked off to Brume to get stronger cuz he lost to Velstadt and was outcast as a traitor so yeah no doubt he's harbouring some ill will
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.01.20	That being said i'm under the impression that when u roll in in velstadts armour he is literally mistaking you for velstadt, much in the way that in ds1 when you fuck up artorias and put on his armour and save his dog and kill the darkness monkey people mistake you for artorias and give him all the credit anyway
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.01.20	ur like a quarter of the size of both of those homies but i've always been under the impression that most of the humanoid bosses are either hollowed or completely off their rocker and not particularly bright
Pon 09.01.20	"i'm under the impression that when u roll in in velstadts armour he is literally mistaking you for velstadt" Aren't you a little short for a king's guard?
Pon 09.01.20	Fume Knight might be hollowed but Velstadt certainly didn't look it in the cutscene before you fight him so who knows?
Gyromania 09.01.20	lmao they'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to confuse your height. i mean the difference in height is staggering. i used to think maybe it was just the abyss or w/e that corrupted them and made them huge, and that prior to they were around the same size as you, but i don't think that's the case. i'd much rather prefer that raime sees you wearing velstadt's armour and thinks "holy shit this guy killed velstadt and velstadt bested me. better immediately buff" but the truth is more likely that he's just way too far gone at that point
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.01.20	"Aren't you a little short for a king's guard?" yeah like i said ur a little short to be artorias too but here we are but yeah thats just my read. you certainly don't do a whole lot of conversing with most of these dudes, they all seem to be like mindlessly doing their duties well past the expiration date of their sanity i don't think a whole lot of them are doing too much thinky-thinky by the time you get to them
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.01.20	"mao they'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to confuse your height. i mean the difference in height is staggering. i used to think maybe it was just the abyss or w/e that corrupted them and made them huge, and that prior to they were around the same size as you, but i don't think that's the case. i'd much rather prefer that raime sees you wearing velstadt's armour and thinks "holy shit this guy killed velstadt and velstadt bested me. better immediately buff" but the truth is more likely that he's just way too far gone at that point" yeah my take is that they are just that far gone. i prefer it that way tho, it just seems so bleak and dark soulsy that all these once great giants are all completely fucked. i mean just look at the state of poor vendrick bruh literally just pacing around in circles like a fucking loony
hel9000 09.01.20	Talking to Vendrick in the Memory of the King might be my favourite NPC encounters in the series.
LeddSledd 09.01.20	Seeker of fire, coveter of the throne. Seek strength. The rest will follow…
aydross121 09.01.20	"If we're talking favorite FromSoft bosses, I genuinely think it's the Guardian Ape for me" Sekiro is a contender for second best boss fights tbh. Guardian Ape, Sword Saint and Owl are all 10/10. Even the gimmick ones are fun.
hel9000 09.01.20	"The abyss once had form, but then disappated. And yet traces of its existence endured. Each fragment, thirsting for power, spread Dark with no relent. My dear Shandra, was one such fragment." :( i feel for Vendrick
secondsun 09.01.20	one of my favorite details is how vendrick is basically the only boss in the entire series that doesn't drop his soul when you kill him. he just withers away into ash :(
JohnnyoftheWell 09.01.20	"also lol at criticizing "exposition" in a souls game" What exactly do you mean by this, Pots? I think the atmosphere and continuity of these games benefits a lot from subtle exposition and lore hints incorporated into environmental design, and DS2 suffers somewhat from being easily the worst at this
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.01.20	What i mean is that the ~exposition~ in souls games is notoriously cryptic, drip fed through object descriptions, vague monologues, and environmental queues, left to be pieced together and interpreted at length. The way it's presented is deep, but it's hardly comprehensive. It's become comprehensive by the act of people deciphering it. Even at its absolute least subtle - as you are arguing that it is in ds2 - referring to such elusive, enigmatic, and disjointed (in presentation) lore as "clunky exposition" just strikes me a tad preposterous, comparatively speaking.
Thranth 09.03.20	I cast Thread Revival
beefshoes 09.03.20	Replaying DSR on Switch, and Artorias never fails to completely fuck my shit up
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.03.20	this thread encouraged me to start NG+3 on DS1r and playing it with the criticisms about DS2 in mind made me even more certain that said criticisms are entirely bullshit and that all the other games are just as guilty. DS1 has some of the shittiest gank-squad nightmare-fuel boss commutes of all time. Seath? Ornstein + Smough? Four Kings? Fuuuuuck that! And this perfect seamless map? How the fuck am i going to go inside a tree underground underneath a swamp and wind up outside near a lake gazing up at the sky smdh. And speaking of bullshit enemy placement, fuck the dukes archive and fuck blight town fuck sens fortress and fuck the depths. Clunkiness? Fighting the camera in DS1 while you walk across surfaces the size of a tight rope is not epic and you know what? Fuck that one fucking tree branch in Blighttown. Also fuck the limited warp travel making me trudge back and forth through these nightmares 400 times. Having said all that, its still the best game ever and shit don't phase because all of these issues are my bitch by now. It's all a part of the infuriating bullshit charm of the franchise.
JohnnyoftheWell 09.03.20	@Pots aight, I feel exactly the same about the first half of that comment, but also think that a talking dragon throwing a no-comment time travel device at you just in time for the endgame is something that feels (for me) intuitively awkward and not all that cogent with the game's lore as established up to that point. this is probably because 1) DS2 didn't include enough cryptic pointers to suggest that this could ever be a thing or 2) it did, and I square-on failed to read them. either way, I think other developments in the plotlines (DS shift from bells of awakening to lordvessel, changing role of Gael in DS3 dlc, p much everything in BB) have been handled much more smoothly and seemed to respond to subtle tells the game telegraphed in advance of them - so i think "clunky exposition" does apply relative to other games. if we're talking about the series in general, then i agree it would be a ridiculous criticism, but we're not at e3 here
JohnnyoftheWell 09.03.20	"And speaking of bullshit enemy placement, fuck the dukes archive and fuck blight town fuck sens fortress" Duke's Archive can do one, but Sen's is perfect and I have too much stockholm syndrome for Btown not to contend, how dare you
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.03.20	don't get me wrong i love btown but yeah deffs in a stockholm syndrome kinda way and dying in sen's fortress before the first and only bonfire is in my top 5 least favourite places to die in ds1 up there with anywhere between that FUCKING jail in dukes archive and the next bonfire, anywhere in new londo, and anywhere on the commute down or out of blightown
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.03.20	also re: poor npc/character designs... im sorry but fucking frampt slash all the other primordial serpents have the literal worst character design i've ever seen in my entireeeee liiifffeeeeeeeeeee
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.03.20	also griggs and petrus and co lmao
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.03.20	Yo also hot take but fuck crystal cave
aydross121 09.03.20	Crystal Cave does kinda suck, but the butterflies look majestic and the oysters always make me lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.03.20	its certainly pretty too bad i don't have time to stop and look around while i'm trying not to plummet to my death off slippery crystals and invisible paths while being chased by 6 crystal golems and 74 clams just to go chase seaths tentatails around in circles for 10 minutes
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.03.20	but again i love every inch of that game, just think its nonsense when people try to pretend ds2 is any more cupable for some serious fuckin bullshit than any of the others
aydross121 09.03.20	Yeah those stages are obviously rushed. One of the biggest telltales is the oysters being able to go into the seath fight with you lol
aydross121 09.03.20	I'm also on the boat of saying DS2 is my least favorite game, but that one is still better than most other franchises best games.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	I feel u. I dont take issue with matter of opinion when it comes to ranking the souls games, just people who make grossly hyperbolic claims that ds2 is an abomination within the standings of the franchise
hel9000 09.04.20	DS2's exposition isn't up to the other games (lots of completely empty rooms with no personality, huge difference from say DeS) but it has its moments - Nashandra's portrait cursing you comes to mind.
SteakByrnes 09.04.20	Crystal Cave owns
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	I can think of plenty empty rooms in Ds1 with "no personality" Not that I think the interior design of rooms in dark souls games are or need to be constantly littered with exposition in general but
hel9000 09.04.20	Ok, i guess that would fall under immersion then. Still, I'm replaying DeS now and there's something to be said for a world that feels lived-in. DS2's world is fun and fantastical but I don't really get that lived-in vibe half the time, not that it even hinders the game for me.
LeddSledd 09.04.20	a good deal of that is due to DS2's troubled development. there's a link further up in this thread to a video that explores a scrapped design for The Gutter that had way more personality than the current one. it still turned out great but with more time it could've been heavily improved.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	I dont remember demon souls well enough to comment on that one but tbh the notion of souls areas feeling "lived in" strikes me as a bit counter-intuitive or something? I've always appreciated the feeling that these vast castles and cities etc are degrading and mostly abandoned as the world sinks into chaos and madness, Ive felt that that's intentional and compliments the feelings of loneliness, hostility, and hopelessness of the franchise
LeddSledd 09.04.20	well i think "lived in" in the sense that there used to be a kingdom there, a civilization, but it's long gone and the area has long since been abandoned. some areas just kind of feel "there" without much of a glimmer into their past; whereas Vendrick's Castle gives the impression of a corrupted, now-abandoned, once-great fortress of a mighty king and company
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	Yeah i dont see how that's any different across the franchise aside from maybe bloodborne which feels very lived in front to back because basically the entire map is just the same monotonous city design
Colton 09.04.20	There's definitely some variation in Bloodborne's map design from what I remember
hel9000 09.04.20	Yeah like I look around the rooms in Heide's, Tseldora, Shaded Woods and wonder what was even going on there - like did people live here, or? Anyway it's a nitpick and doesn't even detract from my deep love of DS2. I just think that it's a particular strong point of DeS, BB and DS1.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	Again there are some pretty damn inhospitable areas in Ds1 and ds3 too
LeddSledd 09.04.20	Grave of Saints, Huntman's Copse, Heide's, Tseldora, and the Lost Bastille are all pretty weak in that regard yeah.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	Also serious question who the fuck lived in blight town? Squatters?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	Why would a giant mausoleum ever look lived in
hel9000 09.04.20	"What was this location's purpose" is what I mean.
LeddSledd 09.04.20	@pots inhospitable or "lived in" isn't the issue as much as personality and unspoken exposition. i don't see anyone living in Black Gulch but it is still a visually distinct and fun area that speaks for itself
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	Huntsman's copse is great and is better in regards to looking like it was ever inhabited and having exposition than darkroom garden
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	Refreshing my memory of all the areas led listed and disagree across the board
LeddSledd 09.04.20	Copse didn't seem like much besides a few meandering paths, a couple levers, and a few underground secrets but that's it. and the Skeleton Lords boss seemed a bit shoehorned in
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	I dunno how you're gonna get much of an explanation of the purpose for a lot of the areas in Ds1 while wandering around either beyond "this is a church", "this is a lake", "this is a fortress" etc
hel9000 09.04.20	That Gutter video is great btw. Even if it was rushed I love what we got in DS2.
LeddSledd 09.04.20	same here.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	"Copse didn't seem like much besides a few meandering paths, a couple levers, and a few underground secrets but that's it. and the Skeleton Lords boss seemed a bit shoehorned in" ?? There is a giant castle, bridges, tunnel systems, weird little squatter huts littered about, another big building, pillars all over, what are u even thinking of Darkroot garden has..... A small broken building
hel9000 09.04.20	I'm not saying there aren't other locations like that throughout the other games. On the whole DS2 has the most of them though imo.
LeddSledd 09.04.20	:/ maybe my memory isn't as good as i thought
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	I'm unconvinced
hel9000 09.04.20	Artorias' grave?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	What bout it?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	Oh are u just saying there are more things in darkroot? Yes there is a gravestone a 300 square foot broken building and there is even a puddle actually lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	I love darkroot btw, some of the simplest areas in souls games are the best.
Colton 09.04.20	In a series of spooky medieval areas with spooky monsters, which one has the spookiest medieval areas and the spookiest monsters? That is the question
hel9000 09.04.20	"Oh are u just saying there are more things in darkroot?" It's a significant part of the game and it's located in Darkroot yes.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	No-mans wharf is one of the scariest areas in any souls game imo. Those fucking spider ppl
hel9000 09.04.20	They are like little Cloverfield monsters.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	Ok so the big rock saves the empty area from the same criticisms as the other games cuz u visit it twice I guess
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	"They are like little Cloverfield monsters" Lol kind of hey
LeddSledd 09.04.20	Gavlan is the best DS2 NPC change my mind
hel9000 09.04.20	Speaking of spooky areas i always loved the pyramid in the Sunken Crown DLC, with the singing and ghosts and all that. Feels truly ancient and forgotten.
hel9000 09.04.20	Gavlan ftw
LeddSledd 09.04.20	my favorite part of Sunken Crown was the giant lake with the bipedal tooth monsters. not spooky just flat out terrifying with those things lumbering around
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	Sunken crown was sick yeah but fuck that boss commute
hel9000 09.05.20	oh 100%. That one sticks out as one of the worst, easily. Speaking of which I just put it together that I can spawn at the Dragonslayer's Armour bonfire for Lothric and Lorian so I'm pretty happy about that.
hel9000 09.05.20	idk if anything can top Alonne for worst boss commute for me.
MO 09.05.20	Just got to Gehrman for the first time. Almost done. It's literally a perfect game, I am loving it
wutang4ever 09.05.20	Nice thread! III is so good, but it's rather easy compared to II. II gave me a really hard time, it actually felt like after 80 hours with struggling that that game isn't for me. Bloodborne is my favorite souls game easily. I still haven't completed the first run through, wanted to get all the trophies before I start a New Game+. I've also been playing Nioh 2 quite a bit. Not a souls game but it's really close and they did a fantastic job with it tbqh. I have never completed Dark Souls 1 actually, might load that up sometime soon and dedicate some time to it.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.05.20	". Speaking of which I just put it together that I can spawn at the Dragonslayer's Armour bonfire for Lothric and Lorian so I'm pretty happy about that." Haha a game changer "idk if anything can top Alonne for worst boss commute for me" It's not so bad...... after you've spent hours clearing out the enemies like 18 times so they stop respawning......................
JohnnyoftheWell 09.05.20	". Speaking of which I just put it together that I can spawn at the Dragonslayer's Armour bonfire for Lothric and Lorian so I'm pretty happy about that." ... fuck hadn't played DS3 in fking ages and completely forgot this when I went against them with my lameass dagger built this week ugh ugh ugh "It's not so bad...... after you've spent hours clearing out the enemies like 18 times so they stop respawning......................" relatable content but Iron Passage will always be the most fuckawful run
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.05.20	I think on ng+4 I might actually force myself to kill ornstein last and get his armour for once. It just seems so much harder
wutang4ever 09.05.20	NG+7 on III, anyone wanna play? Duel? I'll make a deal with you, I'll use only the Washing pole and win 100% of the time. Meet me at Fontaine, pass 111
JohnnyoftheWell 09.05.20	Always do Ornstein last lol, Smough's moveset is so easy that I feel cheap if I kill him on his own
wutang4ever 09.05.20	What are you playing it on, Johnny? PC?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.05.20	Yeah once you have smough figured out and can consistently manage ornstein first that fight becomes a joke.
JohnnyoftheWell 09.05.20	Last time I played DS was PS4 remaster, but I don't have it atm :[ Currently stuck on Friede/Ariandel on my challenge run, and I'm starting to think this might be the superior fight to O&S
wutang4ever 09.05.20	Ahhh what happened to your PS4?
JohnnyoftheWell 09.05.20	Lol, I gave my PS4 and all my games to a mate when I left the UK, then caved and bought a new one during the lockdown in Japan. only got 3 games for it though
wutang4ever 09.05.20	Do you have Nioh 2? or have you played Ghost Of Tsushima? I read they're adding coop on Ghost, should be beyond epic.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.05.20	Omg I forgot about iron passage ew Also wtf Johnny how the fuck u live in Japan
JohnnyoftheWell 09.05.20	idk dude everything is expensive and you can't eat food in public, i struggle yeah, i've got nioh 2! tryna get the dlc to work (my download was screwy for some reason) - i don't have ps online or whatever though, am a total cheapskate :[
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.05.20	I mean like how are you living there like are u a permanent resident somehow and what are u doing for a job
Sinternet 09.05.20	he's the curator of a schoolgirl panty museum
JohnnyoftheWell 09.05.20	oh lol i teach english in a middle school and have a work visa with cosy job security (since it's literally impossible for my company to hire from overseas rn). using the workplace to grind my language into shape until i can get the kind of qualification that would land me a decent translation gig either here or back home depending on how things go and yeah, in my downtime i volunteer at the local schoolgirl panty museum
Colton 09.05.20	you mean he helps develop the Persona games? wow
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.05.20	I'm mad
wutang4ever 09.05.20	Johnny, do you have PS+?
JohnnyoftheWell 09.05.20	no PS+ i am lonely gamer
wutang4ever 09.05.20	Persona 5 wasn't bad, I don't want to play as a male though. Only gripe.
Colton 09.05.20	Game is creepy as hell, pretty sure the 5th one had an actual literal schoolgirl panty museum
wutang4ever 09.05.20	@jonny I can get you a code, here's the ultimatum. Get Nioh 2. lol
hel9000 09.05.20	"It's literally a perfect game, I am loving it" Aside from performance issues, and having to occasionally farm for blood vials, I think it's perfect too. The chalice dungeons are boring af but whatever, you can easily ignore those.
wutang4ever 09.05.20	No! Those are important! You can get Blood Rocks from those, there's only 1 per playthrough on the story areas, the Chalice Dungeons are crucial to getting Rocks and better weapons/armor inside of them. You can use Echoes to get the items, be prepared when you get to higher level Chalices, have at least 100k blood echoes going in. Trust me.
SteakByrnes 09.06.20	Persona 5 is one of my favorite games
wutang4ever 09.06.20	Couldn't do it. No female character, pointless to me. Have you played any of the Yakuza games?
SteakByrnes 09.06.20	Strange reason but more power to ya. Yakuza series is fun for sure, the last one was really good
wutang4ever 09.06.20	I am waiting for the 7th one, Like A Dragon. The turn based aspect is going to be so cool. Like XCOM 2 style. Also, why is that a strange reason to play as a female? That judgement itself is creepy tbqh.
SteakByrnes 09.06.20	I just think it's strange to say a game is pointless just because of who you play as lol, don't get how that's creepy at all but whatever
wutang4ever 09.06.20	A game like Persona, espeically a decision mode story progression game, should have the ability to play as a female, period.
SteakByrnes 09.06.20	I mean I don't disagree, they could've made a female character pretty easily considering Joker has the personality of a piece of paper lol
LeddSledd 09.06.20	(i think he's pulling your leg)
wutang4ever 09.06.20	True Steak. But I honestly don't like or have never liked playing as male characters in any games. I have only always made females. I'm a nutcase I guess lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.06.20	I always choose female avatars too cuz I'm fucking fabulous
JohnnyoftheWell 09.06.20	i almost effortposted a long comment about how persona 5's narrative (as it currently unfolds) with a female protagonist in a japanese setting would have been an even bigger leap of fantasy than one of the main characters being an even talking cat. and then i didn't because most of the reasons for why already get ample exposition in the game as is. dumb af content. I always choose female avatars too cuz I'm fucking fabulous [2]
Thranth 09.09.20	I cast Thread Revival
Thranth 09.09.20	I absolutely cannot wait for the demon souls master. Game was a little bit before my time, and I had no real way of playing it when I got interested in the series. In general how would you say it compares? Ive heard that the atmosphere in it is amazeballs
DungeonBoy 09.09.20	it's fun
hel9000 09.09.20	I wanted to see if I can run it on RPCS3 (no problems so far btw) and it turned into me doing another run. It’s awesome, a little rudimentary in some regards but yeah the atmosphere is top notch. There’s a lot of stuff in DeS that they call back to in the other games
beefshoes 09.09.20	DeS is just as fun as all of the other Souls games. It has a graphic and sound design that is very typical of games of this period (the first two Assassins Creed games are a bit similar), which helps to lend it great atmosphere, and every soul form NPC has their voice drenched in reverb and echo, which is a cool touch. It has mostly great stage design and combat, and you could argue that it is the most non-linear game in the series as well, given that the only sections that you have to complete in a set order are the tutorial (which is optional), and the first stage of Boletarian Palace. The healing system definitely pales in comparison to Estus though, and it forces you into situations where you could have to farm for health. You also take what can be a really big hit to your health if you are in soul form, and if you die in human form, it affects tendency which dictates the difficulty and rare item spawn rate of a given stage. It's an incredible game that never got the attention that it deserved after the release of DS1, and I can't wait to see it get some newfound love and attention with the remake.
DungeonBoy 09.09.20	Many moons ago I had been playing Demon's Souls for a few days until I had a tragic accident where I was impaled through the genitals with a wrought iron rod. During my recovery I was off work for weeks on a great deal of opioids and my trusty friend Demon's Souls by my side. I grew up with an NES and even then I don't think I had ever played a game so frustratingly rewarding in my entire life, and when I finally beat it I shunned off the entire series until one day my dear friend asked me if I wanted to play a little game called Bloodborne. The rest is history.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.09.20	Cute story I like the part where you got stabbed in the dick
DungeonBoy 09.10.20	Yeah dude, if was awful. Demon's Souls saved me.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.10.20	So does it still work?
DungeonBoy 09.10.20	It does! The doctors were really worried it wouldn't. Essentially a dull ended wrought iron rod went through the inside of my thigh and out the top of the base of my unit when I fell on it. The rod was about a centimeter or more in diameter. I was stuck on it until the paramedics came. It was the worst experience of my entire life, but again Demon's Souls was there for me. I was taking handfuls of percocet and playing Demon's Souls exclusively by day. Brings me back. Fun game!
wildinferno2010 09.10.20	I just started DS2 on a friends rec, didn't realise it was looked down on. I'm enjoying it so far. Haven't played a souls game bar demons ages ago, so getting into it now. Bloodborne sounds cool, might try that next
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.10.20	When u were stuck on the wrought iron rod with your penis impaled how scared were you on a scale from 1 to 10
Aberf 09.10.20	I always choose female avatars too cuz I'm fucking fabulous[3] Can't wear female outfit when using male avatar without looking weird but I can wear any outfit just fine when using female avatar.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.10.20	Werk bitch
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.10.20	My biggest problem with the new Fire Emblem game is that I refuse to be Male byleth but the game wont let me lesbian Hilda or Hapi this is extremely problematic
Thranth 09.10.20	bloodborne is super dope, you need to play it