808muzik
07.19.12 | True, except when you said it's the best in the trilogy. Because that is wrong. |
Deviant.
07.19.12 | Yeah there's no way it's better than TDK. Storytelling is pretty weak in parts (Nolan continues that thing he started in Inception where scenes seem to begin halfway through the action), a few of the scenes are just really clunky (when the bomb goes off in the sewer and Levitt wants to go down there and everyone else just seems really calm about the whole thing, not to mention any scene where anybody fires a gun). Hathaway is pretty inadequate as Kyle, she pretty much just preens around trying to look hot, Marion is completely under-utilized (and the twist with her was always obvious), and Bane, at times, is kinda boring. Hardy does a great job, but unlike the Joker who actually felt like he was the one in control, there just really isn't any sense of urgency to be had with Bane's plans. Joker was always one step ahead (maybe because he had no plan?), Bane just seems to do stuff that gets foiled and so tries something else.
It's a great film (despite all the shortcomings I've pointed out), but at the same time I am slightly disappointed with it |
auberginedreams
07.19.12 | wow, it's barely even thursday morning here in the pacific northwest. |
Deviant.
07.19.12 | Been out for a day in Australasia already |
Lelle
07.19.12 | goddamnit it doesn't premiere here until the 25th :( |
InFiction
07.19.12 | We miss out on great tours but we get to see films earlier than everyone else. |
auberginedreams
07.19.12 | oh, i was wondering how so many people had already seen it. it doesn't come out until friday here. |
Calculate
07.19.12 | i thought it was pretty bloody rubbish really, agree with pretty much all your points there dev |
Gyromania
07.19.12 | The trailers for this really made me disinterested tbh. That football scene looks so stupid, and Bane really doesn't look all that intimidating. And I'm in the minority on this, but I think Batman Begins is better than The Dark Knight. |
Deviant.
07.19.12 | Also, how was the Juno Temple/Hathaway lesbian thing not given more screen time????? |
WeepingBanana
07.19.12 | i'll be seeing this tomorrow so don't you worry guys, i'll be here with my opinion as soon as possible |
Calculate
07.19.12 | they didnt want it to run too long bro |
InFiction
07.19.12 | See, I quite like Bane as a villain because unlike The Joker, he is physically intimidating which is quite refreshing. |
Calculate
07.19.12 | all he is does is stand there, look big and move his eyes tho |
cryMore
07.19.12 | Seeing it tomorrow, excited!
I'm leaving the thread now, in case of spoilers |
defjaw83
07.19.12 | Dev, I think that was deliberate in Inception to give the impression of dreaming. It's a major reason why I think the whole film is within some level of a dream.
As for this film, I'm going to the IMAX on Saturday night...can't wait it looks so good |
defjaw83
07.19.12 | Gyro, I literally have the opposite opinion on every point you made in that sentence haha |
Deviant.
07.19.12 | Yeah I get that and it works there (well, to a degree). Here, it feels like rushed and sloppy editing |
defjaw83
07.19.12 | Ah I hope I don't agree with you when I watch it. I've never been this hyped for a movie I don't think! |
Rowan5215
07.19.12 | Yeah just got back from seeing it, it rocked. Bane is much, much better than the Joker, although Scarecrow still beats them both. |
Deviant.
07.19.12 | Uhhhhh..... |
InFiction
07.19.12 | Scarecrow didn't really do too much, iirc. |
BobMcflum
07.19.12 | Heath Ledger |
Deviant.
07.19.12 | "Scarecrow didn't really do too much, iirc."
Which was fine, BB was all about Bruce Wayne becoming Batman. The villains were essentially secondary to the creation of the character. The problem with TDKR is that it's basically the same premise, only now Wayne is rediscovering himself. Thus, everything else is not given the proper focus and attention |
MO
07.19.12 | "Yeah there's no way it's better than TDK."
saw this coming from a mile away |
anarchistfish
07.19.12 | Saw Batman Begins the other day. Will watch The Dark Knight at some point soon |
NightProwler
07.19.12 | Seeing it as it premiers tomorrow. Not expecting it to be better than TDK, but still looking very, very much forward to it! |
Deviant.
07.19.12 | Nah, it's not really an issue. The part where Bruce pulls his hair down into a fringe and starts strutting down the street might remind you of s3 though |
zxlkho
07.19.12 | Seeing this in approximately 13 and a half hours. |
IndianaWarLord
07.19.12 | seeing this in IMAX at 3:40 am, equipped with my dope BAIN shirt i got from hot topic. Work will blow Friday but it'll totally be worth it. |
Deviant.
07.19.12 | I guess hot topic sells fakes then? |
MO
07.19.12 | lol BAIN OMGEE |
taylormemer
07.19.12 | I just can't imagine buying a movie shirt. I mean, I get band tees, but movies tees? wtf. why |
MO
07.19.12 | because you have to support the multi-million dollar movie companies not the struggling artists obvs |
Shuyin
07.19.12 | im not a big fan of super hero movies but the other 2 were quite entertaining. stocked for the third part.
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Ignimbrite
07.19.12 | From what I've heard TDKR will, for me, be better than BB but either equal to or slightly lesser than TDK. |
IndianaWarLord
07.19.12 | b/c movies are kickass. don't get all "corporate money" rebel bullshit man... we're all past that point in our lives. |
Recspecs
07.19.12 | Stoked |
Hyperion1001
07.19.12 | just gonna rent it from blockbuster |
Sirob
07.19.12 | going to see the trilogy tonight starting at 6. stoked. |
MO
07.19.12 | "just gonna rent it from blockbuster"
there are still blockbusters where you live? |
Hyperion1001
07.19.12 | nope ;) |
Tyrael
07.19.12 | whats blockbuster? |
MO
07.19.12 | lol that's right they changed their name to netflix
|
Ssssssss
07.19.12 | "going to see the trilogy tonight starting at 6. stoked."
haha me too, its gonna be sweet |
Hyperion1001
07.19.12 | its this store that existed in olden times that you could rent movies from but it is gone forever now because netflix/piracy |
benkim
07.19.12 | but I think Batman Begins is better than The Dark Knight.
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You are crazy!! Dark Knight is way better than BB. Still good though. |
IndianaWarLord
07.19.12 | i miss going to video stores with a date or friends and spending waaaay too long looking for that right movie. and you'd always bump into someone you knew. |
YoYoMancuso
07.19.12 | i just watched Batman Begins on TV the other day, love the scene where he finally returns to the company after like 7 years. Watching TDK later today and seeing TDKR at midnight |
newjunkaesthetic93
07.19.12 | I just got back from buying a midnight showing ticket. It was like 4:30 and there were already a bunch of pasty faced nerds waiting in line. |
Satellite
07.20.12 | seeing it in 4 hrs yay |
wacknizzle
07.20.12 | Can't wait to see this. I know it's not gonna be as good as TDK especially from what you guys are saying but I'm sure it's awesome to watch the first time. |
Satellite
07.20.12 | hopefully the football bombing scene isn't as retarded as the trailer made it look |
PurpleDino
07.20.12 | seeing it in 17 and a half hours stoked |
EyesWideShut
07.20.12 | "equipped with my dope BAIN shirt i got from hot topic."
dude im going dressed as BANE, mask n all. u got nothin' |
Deviant.
07.20.12 | lol |
EyesWideShut
07.20.12 | the bat cave makes a return. |
Deviant.
07.20.12 | To be fair, just watching him turning around having not realised what's just happened is kinda silly |
HitlerIsTheBest
07.20.12 | wasnt a big fan of either of the first two. probably wont watch this one. |
HitlerIsTheBest
07.20.12 | "i miss going to video stores with a date or friends and spending waaaay too long looking for that right movie."
yeah, i care more than i thought i would about them going away. the whole thing is pretty nostalgic for me. |
Deviant.
07.20.12 | Yes because you wouldn't hear the sound of the field you were running on suddenly blow up immediately behind you. Don't be an idiot potsy |
Deviant.
07.20.12 | Why do you always get super defensive man when you probably hand out more shit talking than anyone? You got lawyered, move on |
MisterTornado
07.20.12 | "Also, how was the Juno Temple/Hathaway lesbian thing not given more screen time?????"
Maybe if David Lynch was behind the camera |
Skoop
07.20.12 | I hope this outsells the shitty avengers movie |
Deviant.
07.20.12 | Actually I'm in pretty high spirits today man. Something seems to be riding you though |
HitlerIsTheBest
07.20.12 | pussies are spewing juices right now |
Deviant.
07.20.12 | Still haven't seen that yet |
Skoop
07.20.12 | it was a ok action movie, but all the people who were like "omg, best movie evaarrr" ruined it, not to mention plot sucked. But yeah i doubt this will outsell it |
Skoop
07.20.12 | It was marvel too, id like to think that dc movies arent as cheesy but green lantern happened so idk |
Skoop
07.20.12 | havent seen trailer yet, ill watch now |
Deviant.
07.20.12 | Yeah I'm not expecting big things from The Avengers, hence why I never got round to it. I'll download it after the blu ray release is out |
Skoop
07.20.12 | yeah there was a superman movie a while back but i dont remember much from it |
Deviant.
07.20.12 | "They have one during the previews of The Dark Knight Rises."
Really? I got the Total Recall remake (looks shit) and Abe the vampire hunter (looks even worse)
Potsy: come on man, move on |
Skoop
07.20.12 | vampire hunter took itself seriously which made it suck |
Deviant.
07.20.12 | It just shows the lack of creativity in Hollywood at the moment. Everything is either a remake and/or a reboot or it's some weird clusterfuck of ideas being thrown together; like Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter. Is it meant to be some adaption of a graphic novel or something? |
Skoop
07.20.12 | yeah its the pride and predjudice zombie author |
Deviant.
07.20.12 | New Bourne movie looks pretty sweet though |
Skoop
07.20.12 | i dunno if i can dig the new guy, always thought damon was the perfect bourne |
HitlerIsTheBest
07.20.12 | new bourne is going to suck dick. |
Skoop
07.20.12 | finally got around to watch the trailer for bourne, so is the new guy not bourne? |
InFiction
07.20.12 | Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter looks fucking dreadful. Avengers was okay, but nothing too special. |
pcar
07.20.12 | Bane: "GRWAWHAGUARHGAUWHWGHU BATMAN GHAWUGWHARUHGA CITY GHWHARHARUH" |
Deviant.
07.20.12 | Nah, Renner is playing a different agent. Like more advanced I think, he's apart of a new program. One that emerged from the Treadstone; at least that's what the trailer seems to imply. Plus Norton's in it |
Skoop
07.20.12 | ah, i see |
defjaw83
07.20.12 | 11:30pm. Tomorrow. IMAX. So stoked |
newjunkaesthetic93
07.20.12 | Holy shit. Just got back from the movie and as soon as i open the internet I see there was a massacre at a theatre about ten miles from me. Apparently some sicko brought a gun to the premiere and opened fire in the theatre. |
HitlerIsTheBest
07.20.12 | holy fuck |
Deviant.
07.20.12 | http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/batman-movie-shooting-14people-shot-1150749 |
Ovrot
07.20.12 | Man
Christopher Nolan went out of his way on his marketing this time |
defjaw83
07.20.12 | Yea just saw this on the news. Sickening |
MMX
07.20.12 | "new bourne is going to suck dick."
It won't be the same without Jason |
Masochist
07.20.12 | "Hathaway is pretty inadequate as Kyle, she pretty much just preens around trying to look hot, Marion is completely under-utilized (and the twist with her was always obvious), and Bane, at times, is kinda boring."
Marion IS completely under-utilized, Bane IS kind of boring at times, but I can't agree with the first part of the sentence--Anne Hathaway as Catwoman was a great call. I wasn't comfortable with when I first heard about it, but I feel she captures Catwoman better than Christian Bale captures Batman (he gets Bruce right on, but his Batman has always bothered me).
The movie itself was excellent. I won't say it dragged on at some points, but there were some moments where I was aware that the movie had been going on for a good long while. Still, there were some great suspenseful moments, and Bane's Crowning Moment of Awesome (the moment I'm certain everyone was waiting for since hearing that he was the main villain of the new movie) was good enough to draw a gasp out of me even seeing what was coming a mile away.
That being said...this movie made me appreciate The Dark Knight more than I had.
And Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter is based on the book by the same name. |
HitlerIsTheBest
07.20.12 | @mmx itll be dumbed down too. not that the other ones were super complicated or hard to follow, but this one is probably going to be just a mediocre action movie with lots of explosions. |
Deviant.
07.20.12 | "but I feel she captures Catwoman better than Christian Bale captures Batman "
Idk, her bad-assery just seems really forced like she's this good girl pretending to be this ultra-hardcore "street girl". It just feels like an act, it's unconvincing |
Mickeymau5
07.20.12 | "equipped with my dope BAIN shirt i got from hot topic."
Didn't know Romney was selling those |
MMX
07.20.12 | @HitlerIsTheBest The series should have stopped with Ultimatum. It's ending left the series on a good note |
Deviant.
07.20.12 | It's not like the books ended with Ultimatum (though they only continued after Ludlum's passing) |
Rev
07.20.12 | I loved Hathaway as Catwoman, and I was definitely not expecting to say that. Plus she was dead sexy too, which is something else I don't say often about her
Crane's reappearance was probably my favorite part
pretty great shit overall |
MMX
07.20.12 | Never read any of the books Deviant, but I'm saying as a trilogy the movies worked nicely together and that the idea of a 4th movie, not based on Jason doesn't really appeal to me.
That being said I probably go see it |
Aids
07.20.12 | if we had sputnikmovies.com what would you rate it |
Rev
07.20.12 | I never cared for any of the bourne films |
evilford
07.20.12 | so yeah...shooting at the theater in Colorado. I read 14 people dead, at least 50 injured. so messed up. |
baldymort
07.20.12 | Yeah I loved Anne Hathaway as Selina kyle. Michael Cane delivered the emotion too. The whole "death by exile" scene was classic as well. So fucked up what has happened in Denver holy shit. |
anarchistfish
07.20.12 | "if we had sputnikmovies.com what would you rate it"
rotten tomatoes
|
Gyromania
07.20.12 | gah |
Gyromania
07.20.12 | Ford: it's actually 12 dead.
Some people are so fucked in the head. |
Gyromania
07.20.12 | Nah, they just revised the count. I'm keeping tabs on it atm and the newscaster literally just said, 'We had originally thought 14 were dead and 50 were injured, but the new numbers we have are 12 and 38". |
evilford
07.20.12 | hm. I've read several articles just within the last half hour that said 14. But I'm sure with it being so recent, there is going to be some discrepancy in what's reported by different sources.
but yeah, either way. screwed in the head. unbelievable what some sick people do. |
evilford
07.20.12 | @gyro, that's better than the higher numbers I guess... |
Deviant.
07.20.12 | Xeno: bit of both actually |
GingerJesus
07.20.12 | I enjoyed the movie quite a bit, not as much as the Dark Knight but still. I may have enjoyed it more if I could have understood more than 50% of Bane's dialogue. |
qwe3
07.20.12 | saw movie.
was good
nowhere near as good as tdk |
qwe3
07.20.12 | the dialogue when he and cat lady are dancing is fucking cringeworthy its that classic "theres clearly animosity between us but we're gonna talk like everythings peachy with a huge threatening undertone cuz thats what people do in movies now" which is pretty trite idk do you guys know hwat i mean |
MisterTornado
07.20.12 | At the end of the movie Joel Schumacher hangs himself |
nononsense
07.20.12 | Bane is jacked as fuck. |
PurpleDino
07.21.12 | thought it was fucking awesome, my mate literally broke down in tears at the end hahaha |
HitlerIsTheBest
07.21.12 | @mistertornado thanks for the spoiler you fucking faggot. |
MisterTornado
07.21.12 | My pleasure Hitler |
Trebor.
07.21.12 | I called most of the twists motherfuckers oh man it's so obvious in the trailers
|
Trebor.
07.21.12 | I fucking called it that JGL was going to take over for him in the end
Like hey he's just a regular cop who happens to be in the trailers a shit load
No, you can't trick me assholes
And lol they kept claiming Tate wasn't Talia, like bitch please |
MisterTornado
07.21.12 | Thought Danny Devito was gonna come out at the end and go "opps oh look I dropped my monster condom that goes on my magnum dong" and it would have been like ope... Penguin Man. |
Trebor.
07.21.12 | Liam Neeson was in it remember?
As an apparition to Bruce |
Trebor.
07.21.12 | Well that's how he's immortal, as a ghost I guess |
Trebor.
07.21.12 | Well Nolan doesn't do fantasy shit so he can't be immortal in this universe |
Deviant.
07.21.12 | Well you guys just love your spoilers don't you |
Trebor.
07.21.12 | Why the fuck would you even be itt if you haven't seen the movie? |
Trebor.
07.21.12 | Me too |
Relinquished
07.21.12 | http://4.asset.soup.io/asset/1668/9396_0b5c.jpeg
^ movie can't beat that |
qwe3
07.21.12 | stale meme is stale |
Trebor.
07.21.12 | yeah it makes my blood boil every time I see it |
Recspecs
07.21.12 | Fuck you all stop talking about this goddamn movie. |
guitarnater
07.21.12 | All movies suck |
FranzSchubert
07.21.12 | it was great besides the cops vs criminals scene (why were all these cops willing to instantaneously go to war against criminals after being stuck underground for ages????) and also Bane's voice was terrible. |
ZombicidalMan
07.21.12 | At times Banes voice was so distorted that I'd have to keep going over the lines in my head until they made sense. Overall though the movie was pretty good. Completely predictable plot twists, cheesy scenes (who the fuck thought the football stadium was a good idea?), dialogue that was hard to understand at times (Gary Oldman gurgling into a pillow), and Anne Hathaway really sucking as Catwoman brought it down IMO.
Last complaint... In the film when Bane breaks Batman's spine, he snaps him and tosses him aside in like three seconds. Should've been more like the comic.
http://www.platformnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/batman_bane_11.jpg
I did not get that feeling from the movie |
WeepingBanana
07.21.12 | Just saw it. Least favorite out of the trilogy probably, but I enjoyed it. Agreed on Hathaway being miscast. I thought Bane was done fairly well, especially that first fight with Batman, I really got the impression of Bane's superiority and how he was basically just toying with him. His voice could have been better though. I understood about 3 words of what he said when he was talking through the referee mic at the stadium. Michael Caine could have used some more screen time because, well, he's Michael Caine. JGL and Marion ruled as expected. I fucking hated the ending with JGL being Robin. Fuck that, it's just fucking stupid. Visually, amazing as expected. Overall solid film.
And to the Avengers critics, fuck you it was the best super hero movie of all time and to compare it to the Batman trilogy is dumb. I'm not saying the Avengers was better, they should shouldn't be compared. |
Trebor.
07.21.12 | Bro hathaway was the best catwoman ever |
WeepingBanana
07.21.12 | Oh and I also liked the football field scene. It's just one of those scenes that's ridiculous and farfetched in just the right way. |
AdamK
07.21.12 | Seeing her in that suit was worth the free ticket i got in itself. Movie was so good though |
Deviant.
07.21.12 | "(why were all these cops willing to instantaneously go to war against criminals after being stuck underground for ages????)"
Uh, revenge??? |
Deviant.
07.21.12 | "I fucking hated the ending with JGL being Robin."
It's not like they're actually going to do anything with it. It just ties into the whole idea that batman is more than just one man, that he's an enduring symbol. He can be anyone. Revealing that his name was Robin was just a nod to the fans |
WeepingBanana
07.21.12 | I mean I guess. It just kinda came off as pandering to the fans more than anything. And I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of fans hated that because it's not even close to canonical. Idk, those types of wrap ups kinda just bug me. |
Trebor.
07.21.12 | He's not robin he's batman part 2 or maybe he'll make up his own superhero |
Deviant.
07.21.12 | Well at least it's a wrap up, and not left open for a spin-off |
Trebor.
07.21.12 | yeah they could continue it with JGL and they could use scarecrow again oh man |
WeepingBanana
07.21.12 | Ehh I wouldn't be entirely surprised if a spin off happened. Not directed by Nolan obviously but if some studio wanted to get some more water out of this rag. |
Trebor.
07.21.12 | Well they confirmed they're making more, maybe a reboot or maybe JGL |
WeepingBanana
07.21.12 | JGL would make a pretty bad Batman tbh |
Deviant.
07.21.12 | JGL wouldn't come back I reckon |
NightProwler
07.21.12 | I think he was great for the role of Blake (Robin), but no, hopefully he wouldn't return in a spin-off, reboot or something like it. |
Trebor.
07.21.12 | Well you know if it isn't him they're going to cast someone gay like Channing Tatum |
Hyperion1001
07.21.12 | def the worst of the series by a large margin
i lost it at the police vs assault rifles apparently loaded with candy, what a terrible climax. also bane sucked they ruined him. |
NightProwler
07.21.12 | "Well you know if it isn't him they're going to cast someone gay like Channing Tatum"
Yeah, might be right about that... |
qwe3
07.21.12 | "Well you know if it isn't him they're going to cast someone gay like Channing Tatum"
channing tatum rules hes just usually in terrible movies |
WeepingBanana
07.21.12 | Yeah ever since 21 Jump Street Channing Tatum is the man |
Trebor.
07.21.12 | Nolan says the Batman films aren't political, but goddamn you could interpret this movie as a really harsh criticism of soviet russia style communism and anarchy
|
Deviant.
07.22.12 | Or, the entire occupy movement |
camaraderie
07.22.12 | Movie was great. I personally like Anne Hathaway, but why the hell did they choose her to be Batgirl? |
Deviant.
07.22.12 | Uh, she isn't.... |
Deviant.
07.22.12 | One hint being that she's SELINA FUCKING KYLE |
camaraderie
07.22.12 | Oops. My mistake, I didn't like either of two.
I think I might like Batman returns more than this one and Dark Knight. They just played it earlier today and yesterday. |
Satellite
07.22.12 | i really loved this movie. never saw the twist coming even though i should have. |
Deviant.
07.22.12 | After watching it again, I think I'm disappointed with it because you can see how good of a movie it could have been. This is probably the first of the trilogy where I could feel every minute of its runtime. A lot of it is definitely the pacing, but I think the main fault is the editing. Like the opening plane hi-jacking sequence: maybe it's just a result of the nature of the stunt (them not being able to do it 20 times until they got the perfect shots and being stuck with what they had) but instead of being like "HOLY SHIT, THAT PLANE IS JUST HANGING THERE" you just kind of see it happen and go "oh hey look at that, that's kind of impressive". There's no time to let it sink in and accept it as sheer spectacle
I never felt a sense of urgency like I did with TDK; Wayne being stuck down that hole didn't feel anything more like just the writers finding a way to keep him occupied and out of Gotham for awhile
|
Trebor.
07.22.12 | It kind of pisses me off when people think the movie is about the occupy shit cuz they wrote the movie before it happened and started filming before it happened too |
Deviant.
07.22.12 | I'd say the financial crisis and the deep resentment of America towards its industry certainly played a part in shaping the story though |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | Nolan is british as fuck and he claims he had no politics on his mind when writing it, but that kind of stuff seeps in subconsciously all the time so who knows |
Deviant.
07.22.12 | "my main issue is you never felt a personal rivalry between batman and bane like you did with the joker."
Yeah, but remember that "personal" rivalry didn't really spread until Rachel died |
Deviant.
07.22.12 | Also, how anticlimactic was Bane's death? |
evilford
07.22.12 | Just saw it. Good movie also a little disappointing. Not as interesting as either of the other two.
TDK>=Inception>Begins>>> this |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | When Batman started breaking Bane's mask I got so damn exited and i was like sweet he's going to defeat him using his weakness of him needing the mask and he's going to break it off and Bane's gonna gasp for air and look all fucked up and give a little monologue and then die
but nope, shot out of nowhere
|
Trebor.
07.22.12 | The whole point of Bane is that he's the only villain who can match and even exceed batman in fighting and they definitely used him well in that regard |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | But seriously he started breaking his mask which I though was foreshadowing, but Talia just fixes it for him and that's that |
evilford
07.22.12 | I'm glad batman/BW didn't die because of my attachment to the character but I felt like he should have and it ruined the story a little bit that he didn't.
Also I've always kind of had a thing for Anne Hathaway idk what it is but in this movie.....GODDAMN |
Deviant.
07.22.12 | I suppose they were in a rush ("the bomb's gonna blow!!!"), but yeah just a quick scene of bane lying there dying and like confessing his love for Talia or something would have worked. Also, her death was pretty ratshit as well |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | One of the worst acted death scenes I've ever seen, which is weird because she has won an oscar |
Deviant.
07.22.12 | I know, it was almost kinda comical the way she kinda went "ugh!" and just slumped down |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | The way she just shut her eyes really quick reminded me of high school shakespeare renditions |
evilford
07.22.12 | "But seriously he started breaking his mask which I though was foreshadowing, but Talia just fixes it for him and that's that"
Yeah I got pumped there it could have been so much greater of a villian death scene. Instead he just gets blown away like an extra. Gay. Joker's death got more screen time and he didn't even die
Also Scarecrow was one of my favorite parts of BB but at this point, Crane's inclusion in the series seems rly forced and srsly he needs to go away now. |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | I was obsessed with doing Joker's voice for a while and now I'm obsessed with doing Bane's voice |
evilford
07.22.12 | Also thought the time lapse on the bomb clock within 12 mins of detonation was so horrible that it was beyond ironically/intentionally humorous and just bad. |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | The whole energy source for good being turned into a bomb is really overused
So is the ticking time bomb climax thing
I thought the ticking clock senario in The Dark Knight was way more original and interesting (joker blowing up the boats/harvy with gordon's family) |
evilford
07.22.12 | Bane's voice was kind of an extreme creepy badass and goofy old man all at the same time so overall just ok |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | To give him pavlov's blood so in the wreckage they would think pavlov died and it was a plane crash not a kidnapping/hijacking |
Deviant.
07.22.12 | He transferred the scientist's blood into one of the corpses so when officials inspected the wreckage they'd more than likely be forced to identify the bodies through their blood (the bodies would probably have been burned beyond recognition from the inevitable explosion), so everyone would have thought he was dead |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | dude they are in russia or some shit, they aren't very thorough there |
evilford
07.22.12 | Yeah they should have switched their teeth |
Deviant.
07.22.12 | When they do the stadium scene and the doctor identifies himself, the army guys watching are like "I thought he died" |
Hyperion1001
07.22.12 | i thought most of the movie was stupid |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | They didn't think Bane was much of a threat and everyone thought Batman was like the worst person in the world at that point so yeah that makes a lot of sense. That police chief guy had a vendetta against batman |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | they said the prison was too crowded or something idk if they even do that anywhere in the country
|
Deviant.
07.22.12 | "That still isn't a viable way to identify a body. They'd have to drain every drop of dudes blood, then put a shit ton of the scientists into it. Also, your tissues and stuff still have your DNA. "
Eh, it would have bought them enough time to smuggle him out of the country and into America I guess |
evilford
07.22.12 | Also I thought the detonation of that nuclear generator core or whatever was dependent upon its rate of degradation which could only be reduced to a rough time-frame. I thought that was how it initially sounded anyway. At what point did it actually become a ticking time bomb
And how cool is it that BW and Alfred ended up at that restaurant in Italy or whatever at exactly the same time I mean talk abt a coincidental feel good "hey he didn't really die" scene |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | Some people don't buy the whole sending every cop into the sewers thing but I do
That police chief guy was obviously incompetent, plus they haven't had anything major like that happen in 8 years |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | "And how cool is it that BW and Alfred ended up at that restaurant in Italy or whatever at exactly the same time I mean talk abt a coincidental feel good "hey he didn't really die" scene"
Well Alfred did tell him about that spot so it makes sense |
Deviant.
07.22.12 | "when bane was making that speech at the prison I was wondering when and how he obtained or even knew about gordon's note confessing the truth."
Did you miss the part where he was caught and bought to bane and the searched his body? |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | And yeah it doesn't really make sense for a degenerating nuke to have a precise count down meter |
evilford
07.22.12 | Its just funny. I know he told him abt it but it's a restaurant in a foreign (to them) country the chances of them actually sitting down and looking at each other at the same time come on |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | It was kind of weird for a trilogy so dark to have such a sunny hollywood ending but hey |
Deviant.
07.22.12 | Wayne probably had him watched/followed just so he could pass on the message that he was in fact still alive, it's not that hard to believe
"And yeah it doesn't really make sense for a degenerating nuke to have a precise count down meter"
If the shields on a nuclear reactor were degrading, wouldn't the core be leaking mass amounts of nuclear radiation? |
evilford
07.22.12 | I liked the BW in prison sequence the most I think |
Ire
07.22.12 | good point dev
film was great anyway omg bane kicked the shit out batman in the first half |
Deviant.
07.22.12 | They searched his pockets and there was a scene where Bane began reading the letter to himself. You suck at watching movies man |
nononsense
07.22.12 | The auto-pilot was fixed on the flying thing, that's why Batman didn't die in the explosion. He wasn't even flying it. And I don't think Bane is dead. They would have showed his body if he had died, right? |
evilford
07.22.12 | He sounded like Jimmy Stewart through Darth Vader's mask |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | jimmy steward mixed with sean connery |
evilford
07.22.12 | Yes it was fixed but they showed him flying it with 4 seconds left until detonation I believe. They said the blast radius would be six miles at one point. He wouldn't have had enough time if he had ejected with 4 seconds left.
Idk it's such a typical issue with movies to the point where you now just EXPECT the time lapse when a bomb is ticking to be bad. A couple of the most minute adjustments and it would have been infinitely more believable just don't get it rly |
nononsense
07.22.12 | It would be cool if Nolan did a Nightwing film series with JGL. |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | the explosion was really unrealistic looking too, it looked like a nuke dropped on the ground but it probably blew up mid air or fell in the water |
Deviant.
07.22.12 | No it wouldn't be |
evilford
07.22.12 | Yeah explosion looked dumb
JGL was a badass tho m/ |
nononsense
07.22.12 | Nolan has to be setting us up for either a fourth batman with Robin or a Nightwing. The last 5 minutes are indicative of that. I know Nolan said he was not doing another, but Bale said that if Nolan was directing a fourth he would do it. |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | bro u dumb, Batman is retired at the end and JGL is going to take over for him as a masked crime fighter on his own, not a side kick, and not to set up another ending, just to like make you think at the end I guess |
nononsense
07.22.12 | Well, it never hurts to be optimistic. Nightwing is my favorite super hero so I would love a movie for him. |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | They said they're rebooting batman and casting JGL as Robin which would be cool
Or he could be The Riddler |
nononsense
07.22.12 | Rebooting batman again? |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | of course dude, it's basically printing money |
evilford
07.22.12 | Totally against a "sidekick" of any kind. Temporary sidekicks are more interesting
Also explosive concrete was gay. And Hines Ward should never ever be returning kickoffs wtf were they thinking |
nononsense
07.22.12 | Can't wait for The Hobbit. That will be the film of the year if it's anything like the LOTR, which it better fucking be. |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | I just rewatched Batman Begins a couple days ago and oh man are there a ton of blade runner references |
Ire
07.22.12 | yeah the hobbit will be okay best idk
i'm pretty sure lotr was cool cos i was like 10 years old when return of the king came out |
nononsense
07.22.12 | Baginses? What is Baginses? Ppprrreeeccciiiooouuussssss. |
Parallels
07.22.12 | I liked Batman Begins more than the Dark Knight. |
Deviant.
07.22.12 | "Nolan has to be setting us up for either a fourth batman with Robin or a Nightwing. The last 5 minutes are indicative of that. I know Nolan said he was not doing another, but Bale said that if Nolan was directing a fourth he would do it."
Goddamn fanboys |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | Caine will win his third oscar |
East Hastings
07.22.12 | i think the end is just alfred's fantasy, that wayne did really die but because alfred knows he's gone, his fantasy can finally "come
true". maybe alfred has died and he's in heaven. idk. i'd be really excited for anything with JGL to happen though |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | He didn't die he wrote a note for JGL and Fox |
East Hastings
07.22.12 | fuck that i want him to be dead its better |
evilford
07.22.12 | Maybe Alfred's dream is really the second half of Leo's dream from the end of Inception and it really wasnt BW just some guy who happened to look like Christian Bale who knows |
East Hastings
07.22.12 | this is my bad i didnt realize he was with selina in italy so yea hes alive |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | He banged Tate and now he gets to bang catwoman on the regular
Bruce always has bitches by the two |
evilford
07.22.12 | Banging AH on the reg sign me up |
East Hastings
07.22.12 | she was such a babe in this ugh |
Hyperion1001
07.22.12 | "i think the end is just alfred's fantasy, that wayne did really die but because alfred knows he's gone, his fantasy can finally "come true". maybe alfred has died and he's in heaven. idk. i'd be really excited for anything with JGL to happen though"
the rest of the ending pretty much disproves this 100% were you even paying attention? |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | Dude kids these days don't even watch the movie they are texting and cutting a hole in the popcorn |
East Hastings
07.22.12 | ^ i didn't recognize selina at the end so yea i fucked up |
Deviant.
07.22.12 | "she was such a babe in this ugh"
Such a shame she looks like a small boy now |
evilford
07.22.12 | She needs to grow her hair back out |
NightProwler
07.22.12 | She was smoking hot, yeah.
Definitely loved this movie. I'm still so fucking excited about it, no matter what people say about Bane's death and such. I mean, Batman didn't defeat Bane in the comics - he beats up Bane in this movie, but he doesn't deliver the final punch. Close 'nuff. |
Hyperion1001
07.22.12 | the movie had many more problems than just making bane suck |
NightProwler
07.22.12 | Yeah, that's why I said "and such". Just chose to focus on one of the discussed problems, though.
Also, dunno if Bane died from it. |
Trebor.
07.22.12 | Joseph Gordan-Levitt really made the movie for me, he might even be in it more than Bruce, I was watching the movie through his eyes as if he were the main character |
Deviant.
07.23.12 | She looks like Harry Potter atm |
Deviant.
07.23.12 | They don't look like a boy wizard with short hair though |
defjaw83
07.23.12 | Seriously loved this movie. Not sure what people were watching if they're saying Bane sucked - he's beastly and Tom Hardy did a great job. I think this is one of my favourite trilogys ever, and easily the best superhero movies ever made |
evilford
07.23.12 | don't get me wrong the pixie cut can be super hot on the right chick. but I think AH looks better with long hair. |
KeithStone582
07.23.12 | loved it. |
evilford
07.23.12 | I dated one too for a while in college. super hot pixie cut. oh man those were good times. |
Trebor.
07.23.12 | I'm watching The Demon Head two parter Batman: The Animated Series episode
Talia is a good girl in it like she's supposed to be |
Ovrot
07.26.12 | the killer croc cameo was cool |
defjaw83
07.26.12 | Riff, were you watching a different movie? Seriously not getting the hate |
ffs
07.26.12 | it was alright |
WeepingBanana
07.26.12 | i could be wrong here, but i think riff thought it was a mediocre, overplotted, overly bombastic generic shitty-third-movie-syndrome-infested predictable silly mess. he had trouble believing that it was nolan who directed it |
defjaw83
07.26.12 | Except it really wasn't predictable at all, or overplotted. It alludes to so many points from the other 2 movies, while keeping it fresh and not bogged down. I think the trilogy is a masterpiece. I know not everyone will love the film, but that summary just doesn't ring true |
WeepingBanana
07.26.12 | hey man fuck you |
defjaw83
07.26.12 | no, no, no...fuck you |
defjaw83
07.26.12 | Ra's talked about failing to bring down Gotham using economics in BB, and that was a major part of Bane and Talia's angle this time around, just little things like that really bring it all full circle in a neat way. Also, the way Nolan used his flashbacks in this movie were really clever, not cheesy at all. Fair enough if you didn't like it dude, it just surprised me how much hate the movie is getting. |
MO
07.26.12 | i think another problem is how spoiled we all were with heath's joker performance |
nash1311
07.26.12 | ^ because when you have a trilogy and the second installment fucking rules you have big ass shoes to fill and so people are gonna nitpick. If you went into the movie, like I did, not trying to figure out what was gonna happen or comparing it to anything and just watching it unfold the you loved it. Others who scrutinized were let down and I pity the fool who don't call 1-800-COLLECT |
nash1311
07.26.12 | I CAN agree with that. I was in agreement with Selina when she was like you don't owe these people anything let's leave |
defjaw83
07.26.12 | I think this movie stands up to scrutiny though. I just think people were expecting something Nolan was never going to deliver |
Funeralopolis
07.26.12 | Saw this movie the other night wasn't impressed. |
defjaw83
07.26.12 | But I don't think the point was to care for anyone in Gotham (obvioulsy you do to an extent). It's always been about Wayne's journey and protecting what his parents believed in, and died for. Plus, on top of all that there was Bane, who was just plain scary. Saying that, I've never felt sorry for a terrorist before seeing this film, when he was crying towards the end, that was a lump in the throat moment |
Sirob
07.26.12 | dark knight was better. but tdkr is still real good |
evilford
07.26.12 | yeah I don't even need to watch it again. this was a good movie but there's no way it's better than TDK. |
defjaw83
07.27.12 | lol riff, way to miss the point. You don't really fear for the people as such - apart from the ones you really get to know - it's more what Gotham represents and what Wayne's parents truly believed. Isn't that the whole point of this trilogy? Good will overcome evil |
NightProwler
07.27.12 | I think you're trying too hard.
I really, really enjoyed this movie, as stated further up the comments list - but it's not as good as it's predecesors. |
Deviant.
07.27.12 | Comments in that thread pretty much say everything I would have mentioned. Poor article written by someone who apparently didn't follow the movie at all; also I love the bit where he complains about Wayne losing all his money and THEN complains about him leaving by saying "pretty sure the city could have used all that money". Uhhh, what money??
Link better articles plz |
TMobotron
07.27.12 | Stupid "twist ending" in TDKR. Too many movies think they need to force a twist in somewhere. I kind of liked the idea of the movie ending with batman being dead too, but oh well. Was good though.
But seriously, fuck superman. What a shitty superhero. |
NightProwler
07.27.12 | Talia was an angry bitch, that's where it's at. |
Deviant.
07.27.12 | "the fact batman bailed on a city in ruins still overrun by freed criminals was out of character. "
He narrowly averted the death of everyone in the city, and seeing as how just about every freed criminal in the city took part in that street fight was more than likely caught or killed, I fail to see how him sticking around would have made a lick of difference or be construed as being "out of character". Besides, Batman didn't go away, Bruce Wayne did. There's a difference, especially when you remember what he gave to JGL |
ApplicationToHeaven
07.27.12 | film had no substance whatsoever, alternated between cool but ultimately underwhelming action bits,
and cheesy sentimental bits. also made me realise the only reason the dark knight was good was the
joker |
TMobotron
07.27.12 | Batman has become the worst character by far. Bruce Wayne is still okay and less of a whining bitch than he was in TDK, but all batman does is show up with his eye shadow on to grunt a one-liner every once in awhile. |
jdennis31
07.27.12 | movie was incredibly underwhelming. enjoyed avengers much more |
TMobotron
07.27.12 | avengers was so fucking lame. TDKR was pretty obviously flawed but it kicked the shit out of avengers. |
NightProwler
07.27.12 | The Avengers was definitely better. |
jdennis31
07.27.12 | i thought the entertainment value of the avengers beat whatever the dark knight rises was trying to accomplish. i tried to remember my favorite scenes from the movie afterwards and the only scene that popped in my mind was the first 1v1 with bane and batman |
evilford
07.27.12 | how did the seclusion following the fight ruin the fight? |
jdennis31
07.27.12 | yea agreed. and bane's death was pretty lame. i know he was basically beaten prior to that gun blast but still really anticlimatic, then marion cotillard gets more screen time to be the most dull character in the entire trilogy |
TMobotron
07.27.12 | I really like the dark feel of all the batman movies, and most of the characters are great. There were some strange plot elements and it wasn't the most original plotline in general either, but it beat out the avengers' linear destroy the bad guys plot. It's not even so much that the avengers was bad, but I'm mystified by how much praise it got.
I enjoy stuff like Ironman too, because you get enough time to appreciate his character, all the dialogue in avengers felt so cliched, like they had to split the screen time between the superheros so they tried to come up with really clever shit to say constantly but a lot of it was cringe-worthy to me. |
jdennis31
07.27.12 | i don't know much about batman, but i disliked the part after the fight cause there is like no sense of a timeline. it seemed like a bunch of random scenes and all of a sudden its 5 months later 12 hours before the bomb blows up, seemed pretty lazy |
JViney
07.27.12 | This film was stupid in a number of ways:
1. Bane just sounds like Nelson Mandela and there are times when his lines can't be heard.
2. We're told at one stage that the nuke has 23 days until detonation. Later on Gordon more or less says "Right, we've got 18 hours until this thing goes off, let's get a tracker on it." What exactly were they doing during the three weeks prior to that?
3. Wayne escapes from the prison. He's alone, has no money, no weapons...and yet he manages to pitch up in Gotham. The same Gotham that has the world's media trained on it. The same Gotham run by Bane, who would know if Wayne manages to get on to an island nobody can get off. Yet Wayne swaggers up all clean-cut with a new suit like it was the easiest thing in the world.
4. The ending? So...he must die. No way he could have escaped. Unless Alfred had a stroke at the restaurant table and hallucinated. Plus, there was no blast wave. We were told the bomb had a radius of six miles.
4. Batman was barely in it.
It just seems that loads of the important bits that explained things were cut out. |
TMobotron
07.27.12 | "Batman was barely in it."
A lot of people I know had this complaint too, but as I said in my earlier post, I think batman is such a shit character that this was like the best thing about the movie. |
jdennis31
07.27.12 | i think my expectations weren't as high for the avengers and it happened to exceed my expectations. pretty much opposite for tdkr. and that eyeliner, goddamn |
evilford
07.27.12 | I was fine with the prison sequence because it's a Batman movie and it involves a somewhat archetypical supervillian. sure I don't have a lot of prior knowledge on Batman as a comic/franchise prior to the Nolan movies, but I thought that in itself worked for what it was trying to do, which is create an opportunity to build on the storyline of Batman/BW as an individual and develop his character further. The turn of events isn't necessarily realistic or logical in the least, but the whole story is founded on a dude that flies around the city in a bat suit... |
jdennis31
07.27.12 | i thought it was funny how he mentions growing up in the darkness, yet the prison is pretty brightly lit |
evilford
07.27.12 | well yeah because it is a movie based on a comic book character. I had a lot of the same gripes but you have to come to terms with the fact that it's a piece of comic book based entertainment, not a goddamn documentary. I could sit here and pick apart everything that was unrealistic about it but that's pointless because I knew going into it that it was gonna be loaded with stuff that you have to suspend your disbeleif for to enjoy it so I'm just gonna move on... |
JumpTheF**kUp
07.27.12 | Totally agreed on Bruce escaping a prison in the middle of nowhere with no money and no identification and then still making it back to Gotham somehow. So, so stupid. |
evilford
07.27.12 | "realistic batman universe"
this term itself is an oxy-moron |
defjaw83
07.27.12 | You do have to suspend your belief slightly though, as we are dealing with clearly fictional subject matter, even though Nolan has made this trilogy pretty realistic. Things like the prison escape etc can be skimmed over. I think all the points that needed to be spot-on, were, and the emotional impact at the end was undeniable. If they'd shown a 10 minute sequence of how BW got back to Gotham, had a shave etc, people would've thought Nolan had lost the plot. It's just artistic license |
jdennis31
07.27.12 | the emotional impact at the end lasted like 2 minutes |
evilford
07.27.12 | agreed defjaw, thank you. it's not that hard to believe, at least relative to what has been able to happen up to that point. |
TMobotron
07.27.12 | "If they'd shown a 10 minute sequence of how BW got back to Gotham, had a shave etc, people would've thought Nolan had lost the plot. It's just artistic license"
See, I agree with this to an extent, but it isn't just about skipping over it to stick with the important aspects of the plot. It's about the fact that there really doesn't seem to be any way he could've gotten out of that situation.
If it was obvious how he did/could, then no, we don't need to see it. But that's different from putting the main character somewhere impossible and then having him show up across the world in the next scene. |
evilford
07.27.12 | you mean you wouldn't do that IRL? |
defjaw83
07.27.12 | @TMobotron I know what you're saying and I thought the same thing, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he could get back, and it's a minor gripe in an otherwise awesome and intelligent series of movies. I just think that the main points of the movie were all bang-on. If others didn't enjoy as much as me, that's cool but that whole part of the movie's focus was BW confronting and overcoming his deep-rooted fears and coming out stronger (literally rising) in order to take down the thing that threatened Gotham. The fact we don't know how he got home was the last thing on my mind tbh |
TMobotron
07.27.12 | "it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he could get back, and it's a minor gripe in an otherwise awesome and intelligent series of movies
Don't get me wrong I agree with this. It didn't ruin the movie for me, and although I have more complaints than just that, I thought it was a fantastic movie overall. |
defjaw83
07.27.12 | "He makes everything so obvious"
Literally the opposite of what Nolan does |
jdennis31
07.27.12 | anyone else rewatch batman begins and lol when liam neeson was like, "i had a wife, but she was taken from me" |
TMobotron
07.27.12 | I always thought it was really weird how people always act like Inception is this mindfuck that's impossible to understand without multiple viewings. I mean it's a great, smart movie. I guess it's entry-level mindfuck. |
TMobotron
07.27.12 | prometheus rules js |
jdennis31
07.27.12 | "but from the amount of people trying to disassemble the entire movie you'd think it's the worst piece of cinema in years." actually, isn't this what happens when a movie is highly acclaimed? |
defjaw83
07.27.12 | Inception doesn't have a definitive ending and you can have valid arguments for the whole thing being a dream level, or just watch it on surface value and think that everything is hunky-dory at the end, so when people say it was easy to understand it angers me because there is not one definite answer |
jdennis31
07.27.12 | do ya'll think it shows actual intelligence to sit and over analyze a movie or would you say it's just a fun waste of time? these people on imdb calling everyone retards for not "getting" the movie just sound really nerdy |
evilford
07.27.12 | "Movie's like a 3.5 but from the amount of people trying to disassemble the entire movie you'd think it's the worst piece of cinema in years."
agreed. I liked the movie, but least favorite of the three. and it's hilarious that people are surprised that this isn't a flawless masterpeice. |
jdennis31
07.27.12 | yea, agreed with iluvatar |
evilford
07.27.12 | "Inception doesn't have a definitive ending and you can have valid arguments for the whole thing being a dream level, or just watch it on surface value and think that everything is hunky-dory at the end, so when people say it was easy to understand it angers me because there is not one definite answer"
I think the ending is easy to understand, it's clear to me at least. It's clear that it's not supposed to be clear. And it's not supposed to be clear, because it doesn't matter. |
defjaw83
07.27.12 | Yes but on multiple viewings you can peel back so many layers to support arguments for different interpretations - all purposefully done - so in that way it's not easy to understand. I know the basic premise is easy, but it's not as if that final sequence is the only open-ended part. I'm talking the whole movie can be taken a multitude of ways |
Piglet
07.27.12 | I just saw it and was quite underwhelmed. It did feel a bit disjointed, like the storyboard was both two long and not locking in together. Strange. Not bad though, quite polished in a lot of respects. Classic Nolan. But I can't help but feel disappointed. |
evilford
07.27.12 | defjaw, I'm not sure what you're referring to, I watched it 3 or 4 times and I pretty much followed what was going on, it didn't seem like a whole lot of the main plot was very open-ended. and like I said, you could find supporting evidence for either argument about the end, but the point that I got from it is that it's not supposed to matter, so I didn't analyze it further than that. |
evilford
07.27.12 | I liked Scarecrow in BB, made the movie interesting |
IndianaWarLord
07.27.12 | I liked the scarecrow in Arkham Asylum. He reminded me of Freddy in NOES3 when he had all needles for blades on his glove and sent that heroin junkie home. |
Rikardur
07.27.12 | Here is my $0.02
I think I prefer TDKR solely because it focuses on Bruce/Batguy more than TDK did. Sort of why I really enjoy Batman Begins. I also really enjoyed how the film concluded the series, and the ending felt like a nod to The Prestige. My only complaint is Bane's end. It should have been more meaningful. Otherwise, I don't find any plotholes that bother me nor do I have problems with where the story went. |
someguest
07.27.12 | Also, what is with this series trying to be a sequel to Brokeback Mountain? |
evilford
07.27.12 | so andcas, how much you enjoy characters in movies is based on how tough they are, rather than how interesting they are? |
evilford
07.27.12 | you mean Joseph Gordon-Levitt? |
KeithStone582
07.27.12 | "It hardly focuses on him at all. He gets hardly any screen time. All the screen time is saved for Jake Gyllenhall and Bane."
ur kidding right? |
KeithStone582
07.27.12 | completely disagree. Wayne basically was this movie. if anything batman got the short end of this, but his ending is so perfect that it doesn't really matter. |
KeithStone582
07.27.12 | batman becomes the legend and symbol that wayne invisioned in the first place. How could it be any better? |
evilford
07.27.12 | "he wasn't interesting or threatening"
well that's subjective. he was abusing a position of (maybe a mediocre amount of) power, and he used psychological terrorism for his own agenda with hallucinogenic drugs. he didn't really need to beat people up because he destroyed their minds. seems pretty twisted to me.
but in any case, it just sounded like you were basing your dislike of his character on the fact that he is not a fighter so just wanted to clarify. |
jdennis31
07.27.12 | batman, a symbol showing any man can be a masked vigilante assuming you have 700 million dollars you can spend without raising any eyebrows |
defjaw83
07.27.12 | Re Inception. I'm not talking about understanding the ending, I'm talking about the complexity of the whole movie which makes it stand up to such different theories. You're acting like that's just such an easy thing to do and it's no biggie. That movie is a masterpiece. Anyway, fuck it |
KeithStone582
07.27.12 | "batman, a symbol showing any man can be a masked vigilante assuming you have 700 million dollars you can spend without raising any eyebrows"
gotham never found out bruce wayne was batman. the point of batman in the first place was that it could be anyone, so this is incorrect.
"No, because Batman doesn't die as a character after the ending."
technically yes he does. gotham makes a statue in his honor. Bruce Wayne lives, but they are different characters in a sense. |
jdennis31
07.27.12 | haha, was just kidding. some dude did research on how much all his bodysuit would cost and he estimated 700 million. |
defjaw83
07.27.12 | How about you look it up then Michael because you've clearly missed it. |
jdennis31
07.27.12 | oh nvm, it's only 3.5 million dollars |
KeithStone582
07.27.12 | "No, I mean Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character becomes Batman."
you don't know that. He honestly will most likely become robin or nightwing. the movie hints at the robin thing pretty hard. I don't John Blake would be dumb enough to just suite up as batman again. |
defjaw83
07.27.12 | JGL's character doesn't necessarily become Batman though does he. He can carry on his work, but as far as the public is concerned, Batman became their hero making the ultimate sacrifice |
evilford
07.27.12 | @defjaw, lol dude I'm not saying Inception was bad, I just don't think it was as hard to follow as all of my friends said it was prior to me seeing it. quite the opposite actually, I agree that it's a basically a masterpeice, and I felt like I got from it what it was supposed to give to the audience after my first viewing. and honestly it and TDK are two of my favorite movies. |
KeithStone582
07.27.12 | "In the Dark Knight there are several 'fake' Batmen and Bruce complains about how that's not what he meant about inspiring people."
I think you are missing the point of batman. He was meant to inspire good, and allow the people to not accept the corruption in the city. When batman stops the "copycats", he does that because they are literally trying to be batman even though they don't have near the funds or power to accomplish it. Batman is meant to inspire people to do the right thing, not literally become another batman. |
KeithStone582
07.27.12 | "But no, they only made his name Robin in TDKR to hint at the fact that he was gonna become the new Batman. He wasn't actually the character Robin (Batman's sidekick apprentice), that was just a clue to show how he was gonna be Batman."
sorry man, but they never say he will be batman. You can believe that, but you should give the story more credit.
also, I understand that robin is multiple people, but it is also a persona. He will become the persona of robin. |
KeithStone582
07.27.12 | "Keith, you don't actually understand the points I'm making and you're ending up saying the exact same thing that I'm saying. "
Either this is completely false, or you can't convey what you are trying to say properly because I am understanding what you are typing just fine. |
Rikardur
07.27.12 | I honestly don't see how one can really full-throttledly (a new word) hate this movie and how it wrapped things up. Sure, if you are a nit-picking sonnavabitch, then yeah, you can find yourself reasons to believe in to hate it, but eh, you can do that with ANY movie. This movie was solid, even if it wasn't a flawless masterpiece like the hype poised it to be. What more can you want/expect from Nolan?
Fucking huge nit-pickers bother the shit out of me. |
KeithStone582
07.27.12 | "
Robin doesn't exist in Nolan's Universe and John Blake isn't gonna create a new crime fighting persona. He inherits the Batcave with all the Batman gear and gadgets."
You are saying robin doesn't exist in nolans universe, but you can't say that because it's not your universe. it's nolans, and he hints at it pretty hard. just because he gets the gear doesn't mean he is gonna be batman. just paint the damn suit red. it's that easy.
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KeithStone582
07.27.12 | This is new to me, and a fair point. Then again, Ridley Scott said there wouldn't be any xenomorphs in prometheus, and look what happened. Even if it is a new batman, people are still gonna see it as another person, so the original batman would still be the legend that he is. Anyway, nice discussion. |
defjaw83
07.27.12 | The way I see it is that in the public's eyes, batman sacrificed himself for the city of Gotham and became the hero they deserved. Blake isn't going to ruin all that by suddenly turning up anouncing the return of Batman, he's gonna be a different character. Nolan has put that revelation in there so we know that Gotham will remain safe, not that he's going to be Batman, he's just gonna carry on protecting Gotham. People take things so literally it's unbelievable |
nash1311
07.27.12 | "He can't let people tie things together themselves."
I personally found this hilarious seeing as how most of the people bitching in here are saying "how da fuck did he get from da desert to gotham?"
Tie it together yourself.
I'm so glad I didn't pick this movie apart when I watched it. Was so awesome. Honestly some of these things crossed my mind but it didn't interfere with my experience. Single qualm would be Bane's lame death. everything else ruled |
nash1311
07.27.12 | Exactly defjaw I'm with you. It's embarrassing anyone took this movie as being realistic. We could do this exact same thing with TDK but we didn't because Heath Ledger was incredible. |
jdennis31
07.27.12 | i'm confused as to what ruled. i didn't nitpick at this movie until now, so even without all the unexplained things, i found it to be quite dull. seen a bunch of people say why they didn't like the movie, what did you think was so great about it? |
EyesWideShut
07.27.12 | thought this movie sucked for the most part and was clearly the worst of the trilogy. didnt like the story, the terrible pointless Talia twist, and a really obnoxious Gordon-Levitt.
was anyone let down by the "epic" bane vs batman fights. i mean one happened early and the other never took off? |
nash1311
07.27.12 | I, personally, thought the ending was perfect. The twist, batman "dying", Bruce Wayne living happily, gordon levitt taking over, alred and bruce's relationship back, marion and hardy dying, catwoman turning good, all of the above. The action was enjoyable, not incredible but enjoyable. The plot and subplots were intriguing, multiple antagonists kept things interesting, acting was rock solid, etc.
I thought hardy and gordon-levitt were superb. It was just an all around enjoyable movie for me and ended exactly the way I thought it would and I thought how it ended suited it |
nash1311
07.27.12 | I mean a better question would be what would you have done different? And don't say really minor "fights coulda been better, bane's death was lame" etc.
Like what major plot points would you have altered and why? |
jdennis31
07.27.12 | plot points of the movie don't take away from the movie too much for me, just gives me chuckles. i actually enjoyed all the aspects you mentioned, i just don't agree that they were executed as well as they could have. I generally enjoy the pace and storytelling of christopher nolan films, but this one was way below par imo. it seemed as if they had a 4 hour story board and needed to cut it down to 2 hours 40 min so they were forced to cut out a lot of scenes that they may have felt was gratuitous. it was great closer and probably the best ender to a trilogy story wise, it just seemed to me that everyone just wanted to hurry up and get the trilogy over with. one thing i liked that alot of people seem to bitch about on imdb is bane's voice. i liked the way he talked |
nash1311
07.27.12 | I mean yeah It could have been executed better maybe. Idk. It still was awesome to me. And talking about the 4 hr story board... that was because he made it so big. This movie had its own story PLUS had to wrap up the trilogy. So yeah I understand what you mean. I loved Bane's voice but don't deny it was hard to decipher at times. |
controlled
07.27.12 | why was the autopilot such a big feature if he's ejecting anyway over MILES of empty water? the bomb was going to explode whether the plane was flying straight or sideways or down or, you know, any direction. |
controlled
07.27.12 | i assume there's spoilers in this thread already? also, if this has already been talked about, again sorry, but i'm not reading 507! comments |
Deviant.
07.28.12 | "He makes everything so obvious. He can't let people tie things together themselves."
Pretty sure if it was so obvious no one would be complaining about how Wayne was able to make it back to Gotham after escaping from the prison
Think about it for a second: in BB it shows that he traveled the world with gangs of criminals before being locked up. It's entirely plausible to assume that he has contacts around the world, contacts who could secure him safe passage back to America. As for turning up in Gotham, pretty sure Wayne Manor is on the edge of the city limits, out in the countryside beyond the isolated city center. Then it's simply a case of flying his Bat-flying thing into the city discreetly. It seemed pretty quiet, it's black and it's at night. All relatively simple things, you know if you pause to think about it for more than a second |
ShadowRemains
07.28.12 | fuck this wasn't the thread that we were talking about attractive girls... |
Deviant.
07.28.12 | How am I making shit up? He's already demonstrated that he has the contacts to pull him out of a "hot spot" (re: the skyhook in TDK). You complain about being spoon-fed everything, and yet when it doesn't happen you all lose your minds. Imply a modicum of though every once in a while |
Deviant.
07.28.12 | Don't really see how this could make me feel better, I have no emotional investment in this movie. I've already pointed out that there are numerous things wrong with it. And I'm also going to assume that you don't know what GRASPING at straws actually means, as I've already pointed out that the films have clearly shown that Wayne has contacts around the world. Sorry Andcas, try again |
Deviant.
07.28.12 | There's nothing really elaborate about that at all. And of course what I'm saying might not (and probably didn't happen) at all, but it's also a certainly plausible explanation for what MIGHT have happened (sorry if you seem to take everything I say as some kind of binding authority). And it's not that I don't care, but I certainly don't seem to have as much invested as the guy who seems genuinely pissed off because he's been potentially proven wrong by one aspect of the film
"stop pulling fan fiction stories out of your ass simply to carry on a senseless argument with users to pass the time."
Actually I'll do whatever I want. If this somehow disagrees with your emotional instability, then by all means leave |
ShadowRemains
07.28.12 | i got 20 on dev |
tapitforever
07.28.12 | he's a billionaire, known around the world. I don't see how anybody is getting hung up on his mode of transportation, jesus fuck |
blastOFFitsPARTYtime
07.28.12 | This thread is nearly as long as said movie. |
Deviant.
07.28.12 | Andcas, how do you get by in the real world without an edit function? |
Deviant.
07.28.12 | So it's only on here where you become truly worried, or? |
Trebor.
07.28.12 | It took him 22 days to get back |
taxidermist
07.28.12 | Movie ruled. |
ShadowRemains
07.28.12 | "I decided to try to end the bickering cause believe it or not my main goal of visiting sputnik isn't to pointlessly butt heads with you the whole time."
i don't believe you |
ShadowRemains
07.28.12 | get destroyed |
Deviant.
07.28.12 | "I decided to try to end the bickering cause believe it or not my main goal of visiting sputnik isn't to pointlessly butt heads with you the whole time."
All I did was ask you a question |
Deviant.
07.28.12 | My question was a why, not a what |
Deviant.
07.28.12 | Apparently for you it does |
Deviant.
07.28.12 | Not really, evidence is right in front of me |
Deviant.
07.28.12 | But I'm sure that's all just a deceptive facade lol |
klap
07.28.12 | this argument between dev and andcas reminds me of prometheus |
TMobotron
07.28.12 | Yeah it was pretty riveting |
Deviant.
07.28.12 | I had flashes of Andcas playing "answer 20 really obvious questions for me" every time he commented |
Deviant.
07.28.12 | I wasn't talking to you, so shut up |
Deviant.
07.28.12 | Are you sure you wont need someone to hold your hand and walk you through it step by step? Will you be able to resist the urge to post a link to some blog post like "see guys, other people agree"? |
Deviant.
07.28.12 | I've spent the majority of this thread discussing the movie dumbass...... |
Piglet
07.28.12 | what the fuck happened here hahahah |
intotheshit
07.28.12 | Well, andcas has proven himself to be a completely useless moron the past couple of days. |
TMobotron
07.28.12 | shhh guys back of this is a 1 on 1 |
Deviant.
07.28.12 | "To be fair, Dev., he said "...incapable of discussing anything without eventually turning into..." "
Yeah but that was coming from the guy who said "you're just making shit up" so I decided to leave it in case he was smart enough to realize the error of what he just said. Guess not.... |
Hubcool
07.28.12 | Like others said, nothing bad to the point it took me out of the movie, but at the same time I wasn't amazed and felt underwhelmed. There was no mesmerazing aspect to it, whether it be the plot, a character or anything else and that, for me, separate great from good films. Bane was alright, but I couldn't help but feel that him being Talia's puppet ruined him. After the Joker, I also thought his motivation/character would be explored more. The ending, as also said above, was 'perfect': but perfect in the shiny bright Hollywood way. I don't know if it was fitting to a trilogy that tried to be kinda dark |
Hubcool
07.28.12 | Haha okay, will do |
Deviant.
07.28.12 | "if you stopped trying to belittle me at every turn "
Well don't make it so easy then, geez!
"immature vendetta"
Contrary to popular belief, I don't actually pay you any mind outside of whenever it is that I interact with you on here. I wouldn't think THAT highly of yourself if I were you. That's dangerous thinking that is, you're apt to do yourself an injury if you continue on with those types of shenanigans
"we'd cease to be at each others throats dev. "
By this, I'm assuming that you believe that you've ever said anything to me that resulted in me doing anything more than facepalming? Oh.... |
Deviant.
07.28.12 | The one with the cool drawings |
Ignimbrite
07.30.12 | thread is jaded as fuck
TDK>TDKR>>>BB>>>>>>>>>>>most other superhero movies |
evilford
07.30.12 | nah man
TDK>>BB>>>>>>>>TDKR (still good tho) |
Ignimbrite
07.30.12 | no way dude, BB was good but it still owed too much to other superhero movies to really be exceptional. the way I see it, BB was a way above average superhero movie, TDK was damn well near a modern classic, and TDKR was just an awesome film overall, if not a convention-destroying beast like TDK. in order, I'd give them 4/5, 5/5, and 4.5/5
but to each his own |
evilford
07.30.12 | I see what you're saying. But I still loved so much of the back story and the first half of the movie showing how he became batman in BB. Also, Scarecrow was cool with the hallucination sequences. Overall I just enjoyed it more personally than TDKR. regardless, still gonna have to see TDKR in theatres once more.
agreed diff strokes diff folks |
HSThomas
07.30.12 | Nuke this thread. |
ronburgandy
07.31.12 | holy mother of god this is a lot of comments. |
someguest
07.31.12 | yeh
a lot of nerds exchanging semen over a movie based on a dumbass comic book |
Calc
07.31.12 | it was a good movie though... |
ronburgandy
07.31.12 | it was dece |
blastOFFitsPARTYtime
07.31.12 | soulja boy |
ConcubinaryCode
07.31.12 | Just saw it. I liked it for the most part. |
Apollo
07.31.12 | "it happens when someone is incapable of discussing anything without eventually turning into a complete asshole with a superiority complex"
Pretty much the best way to describe Deviant. Not sure why he considers his opinion to be god-like. |
East Hastings
07.31.12 | ooo ur gonna get in trouble |
Deviant.
07.31.12 | Actually I consider my opinion to only be as concrete as everyone else's. It's everyone else who brings up terms like "god-like" |
blastOFFitsPARTYtime
07.31.12 | Oh it's on like Ghengis Khan, wearing Sean John, in Bhutan. |
Deviant.
07.31.12 | I mean, you'd have to be blind to have not picked up on the fact that I'm obviously an opinionated person. But it's not my problem that half this site turns into a bunch of insecure schoolgirls whenever I post a comment; nor is it going to make me change |
East Hastings
07.31.12 | dev i think ur cute |
Deviant.
07.31.12 | Sweet, lets fuck |
Apollo
07.31.12 | The problem isn't that you are opinionated, the thing that bugs me is you have almost no humility. I have never seen you admit to being wrong on anything. You seem to portray a God complex on the site...generally I like you as a user Dev, you are an excellent writer...but sometimes the shit you post makes me feel like slapping you for being such a one-sided prick. All things said and done, what the fuck do I know, you are where you are on the site for a reason. No offence intended. |
Deviant.
07.31.12 | I think what amuses me the most is that I am able to apparently infuriate people without even trying, which essentially ties into my earlier post
Take that however you want |
Ignimbrite
07.31.12 | Can we not |
Apollo
07.31.12 | Fairly certain you aren't talking to me, but I was never infuriated.
Regardless, 90% of the people that post on the site cannot even hold an intelligent discussion on the site, so the users that can usually garner an amount of my respect regardless of how much of an asshole they are |
KeithStone582
07.31.12 | YOU CAN'T BE A REAL FAN UNLESS YOU READ THE COMICS MAN |
Deviant.
07.31.12 | "Fairly certain you aren't talking to me, but I was never infuriated. "
Random general blanket statement etc |
ShadowRemains
07.31.12 | let's mellow this convo with some talk of foxy ladies
as dev confirmed in the other dkr thread, rosie jones is...well... |
lucasjcockcroft
07.31.12 | I liked the Tim Burton Batman's wayyyyy more. |
lucasjcockcroft
07.31.12 | you so clever |
defjaw83
08.01.12 | That's actually funny |
MO
08.01.12 | whoa this thread, continuing the unbridled love between andcas and dev |
Urinetrouble
08.01.12 | do you guys read the comics? |
theacademy
08.01.12 | i know im late to the dance but the only thing i think this movie got right was catwoman and the blake drake. other than that it was so boring.
i really hope we never have to sit through a "dark" and "grounded" batman flick ever again. bring back burton. |
JumpTheF**kUp
08.01.12 | "The problem isn't that you are opinionated, the thing that bugs me is you have almost no humility. I have never seen you admit to being wrong on anything. You seem to portray a God complex on the site...generally I like you as a user Dev, you are an excellent writer...but sometimes the shit you post makes me feel like slapping you for being such a one-sided prick."
Someone give this nigga an award. |
theacademy
08.01.12 | shut the fuck up |
HitlerIsTheBest
08.01.12 | a cock has just been sucked |
someguest
08.01.12 | anne rode |
theacademy
08.01.12 | sup guest |
someguest
08.01.12 | sup academy
livin' big |
13themount
08.01.12 | sorry but it is not. TDK was much better. This one is a bit dull with tiresome performances from everyone except for Gary Oldman; actually he from Third Rock was pretty good too. Again the plot involved mayhem in Gotham. If the makers thought not referring to Selina Kyle as Catwoman was clever then it was not. Not clear why Wayne had the hots for her; their romance more dubious than in the comics. The plot borrows from the Knightfall and No Man's Land epics from the comics... from the mid-nineties! Except KF was excellent with a better Bane and a more interesting final battle. SPOILER ALERT Batman's broken back getting fixed was as dubious as in KF; actually more so as at least there he had some decent medical care. I will stop now. No, wait... has anyone read the MAD Batman special? Kinda funny that the Batman spoofs from the fifties and sixties are much funnier and still funny compared to the recent ones; MAD is not done by the same bunch of idiots as the new lot is not as funny. I will stop now. Nuff said, in fact... oh, wait that's the other comics company... |
ffs
08.01.12 | need some bane on batman slash fanfic asap |
Calc
08.01.12 | oh lawdy... |
AngelofDeath
08.01.12 | Finally saw it yesterday. Ruled.
"Also, how was the Juno Temple/Hathaway lesbian thing not given more screen time?????"
^ This is the point I agree with most. |
Ignimbrite
08.01.12 | What in the fuck was the point of Juno Temple? She was on screen for, like, a combined 2 minutes. |
Graveyard
08.01.12 | did the scarecrow make an appearance? |
Ignimbrite
08.01.12 | That was a great line. And yeah, Killer Croc shout-out was great. |
Ignimbrite
08.01.12 | As was the Mr. Freeze callback.
Hey, I've got a riddle... What killed the dinosaurs? |
jdennis31
08.01.12 | i don't know enough about batman, what part was the killer croc shout-out? also, do ya'll think the story would have been drastically different if ledger didn't die? |
Ignimbrite
08.01.12 | nah dude
btw, it was the ice age |
AngelofDeath
08.01.12 | "dennis i think it was jim who mentioned giant alligators living in the sewers"
Lol. I didn't even make the connection. |
AngelofDeath
08.01.12 | Not really. He was only "goofy" in the animated series. |
AngelofDeath
08.01.12 | Also, I was a little surprised Venom wasn't referenced at all in the movie. |
AngelofDeath
08.01.12 | Yeah, Bane was pretty lame in that. Need to go back and re-watch some of those episodes. |
AngelofDeath
08.01.12 | Wasn't talking about Spiderman. Was referring to the plant stuff that Bane and Croc used as steroids. |
Graveyard
08.01.12 | "I'm sure they'll redo venom in a sequel which we all know will happen."
carnage > venom |
MO
08.01.12 | yea, the only way to do him justice would be to cater to an older crowd and make it a super violent movie |
13themount
08.01.12 | "If the makers thought not referring to Selina Kyle as Catwoman was clever then it was not"
why exactly
They think they are being post-modern ironic when they are just being tiresome
"The plot borrows from the Knightfall and No Man's Land epics from the comics... from the mid-nineties!"
ur point being...? also bane was barely in KF tbh all he did was free the prisoners from arkham and then break batman. vengeance of bane is best bane story arc
Maybe I am unhappy that they could not come up with something original... Bane was in KF a lot - just because he was not in every page. |
truekebabpower
08.01.12 | scarecrow was actually used plenty of times in BB |
theacademy
08.01.12 | the movie was fucking boring how about that
i mean seriously if i wanted to watch THAT kind of movie i would have rented syriana or something else gay |
klap
08.01.12 | http://www.avclub.com/articles/plot-holes-and-politics-do-you-need-an-airtight-re,83219/ |
Polyethylene
10.25.12 | At least as good as TDK, if not slightly better. Glad they didn't just do another hyper-paced crime thriller, it worked wonders for TDK but all three films should have their own personality. |
NightProwler
10.25.12 | This wasn't nearly as good the second time I watched. I prefer the first two a lot more to this one.
Still an excellent movie, though. But it has it's flaws, IMO |
toxin.
10.25.12 | Ugh, bloated and messy. I enjoyed the premise but I thought the movie was all over the place and completely over-the-top. The twists were predictable.
I dunno, I enjoyed it, but as like a 7/10. It just felt overly ambitious and collapsed under its own pretentions |