Graveyard
08.17.12 | kool |
Satellite
08.17.12 | stafford |
Trebor.
08.17.12 | Rodgers
Brees
Brady
Rivers
peyton
|
jrm96
08.17.12 | rivers isn't top 5 man |
kris.
08.17.12 | matt cassel numero uno sup |
macman76
08.17.12 | Hell yes he is |
Trebor.
08.17.12 | He is in my world, he was top 5 two years ago but he had one not so great year but he'll bounce back this year |
jrm96
08.17.12 | cassel? |
Trebor.
08.17.12 | sucks |
macman76
08.17.12 | I meant rivers, of course. Expect an eff you 30+ touchdown season |
jrm96
08.17.12 | he's alrite but even if u r a chiefs fan, u can't be serious about that |
jrm96
08.17.12 | the only thing that will surprise me is a 51 touchdown season |
kris.
08.17.12 | nah lol cassel sucks cock but we're gonna have a great season this year i think |
jrm96
08.17.12 | maybe. they should have kept orton just in case |
jrm96
08.17.12 | where's the list? |
SeaAnemone
08.17.12 | why is Kolb so low?
Flacco's a little too high
Vick's too low
Roethlisberger's gonna be out for the season by week 5 definitely so no need to have him so high either |
Trebor.
08.17.12 | fitzpatrick so low damn |
AngelofDeath
08.17.12 | Stafford is too high. Rivers is too low. |
BallsToTheWall
08.17.12 | Newton is way too goddamn fucking low. Travesty. I'm biased of course so dont mind me. |
SeaAnemone
08.17.12 | But where's Tim Tebow, can't we talk about him?
- everyone at ESPN |
YankeeDudel
08.17.12 | Eli is top 5 get it through your heads already |
BallsToTheWall
08.17.12 | Seriously though Ryan and Rivers before Cam? Lol. |
YankeeDudel
08.17.12 | Kolb aint better than Skelton |
Trebor.
08.17.12 | lol eli being top 5 |
YankeeDudel
08.17.12 | Nah Philip Rivers is LOL |
jrm96
08.17.12 | im not a fan but 17 is too low and 8 is too high |
AngelofDeath
08.17.12 | Is that Progmaster in your profile pic? |
ILJ
08.17.12 | I'm shocked people are rating Stafford so high. I mean don't get me wrong, he's a good quarterback but damn.
|
intotheshit
08.17.12 | Eli sucks until the "moment."
Newton's that "low"l because it's only his second season. Expecting a bit of a drop off.
Rivers top 5? Are you high?
Kolb SUCKS.
Stafford threw for 5,000+ yards and 41 touchdowns. How can he be rated "too high?"
Vick's too low? How about playing a full season before we decide he belongs any higher.
Flacco's too high? Name one QB below him that's actually better. |
jrm96
08.17.12 | well stafford is definitely top 10, so he's around where he should be |
intotheshit
08.17.12 | 17 is too low? How about throwing a pass farther than 10 yards before we make that decision.
And calling Roethlisburger "too high" is fucking ridiculous. He might get injured in week 5, but he'll play through it and still get his team close to a Super Bowl. |
YankeeDudel
08.17.12 | Eli sucks until the "moment."
^ Ohhhhhhh reaaaaaalllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
AngelofDeath
08.17.12 | "Stafford threw for 5,000+ yards and 41 touchdowns. How can he be rated 'too high?'"
You put Megatron on the Vikings and fucking Ponder could throw for that. |
BallsToTheWall
08.17.12 | Newton's running a bit less less and throwing more this year....Mostly same line and same weapons as last year but with Tolbert, Gettis and Murphy to boot. Now that Shockey is gone Olsen will play a bigger role, a great fantasy option tbh.
Cam's throwing for 4500 yards mark my word. |
jrm96
08.17.12 | i'm sorry mr. experto in everything nfl |
Calc
08.17.12 | Rivers is miles above Romo....Romo is boo boo
Also Roethlisburger is above Eli and prolly Matt "Stump The" Schaub |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | can't say I agree with much of this outside of the top 3
Vick's that low because he's injury prone, meanwhile you have Stafford at #4 who has played exactly ONE FULL SEASON in his entire career |
jrm96
08.17.12 | not if ponder throws and interception every game |
intotheshit
08.17.12 | I highly doubt Ponder will be starting after this year, even if Megatron was there.
And a great QB is made great by the weapons he has around him. I guarantee we wouldn't be talking about Peyton being a top 5 or top 10 QB without Marvin Harrison. Peyton would still be great, but not considered what he is today. |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | also if anything 17 is too high for Alex Smith, let's be real here |
Satellite
08.17.12 | if the o-line is even remotely better than it was last year (which it definitely should be) stafford is gonna have a monster year |
BallsToTheWall
08.17.12 | Jake Locker is hyped the fuck up this year. |
intotheshit
08.17.12 | Blake, don't you give me no shit. I would trust your judgement, except you did tell me the Bulls were going to win before the Heat did......
Just sayin'.
And I ignore Stafford's injuries because anyone would get smacked around behind that line in Detroit. No one would have lasted more than 3 or 4 games with that team in those days.
Vick gets hurt every time he touches a football. |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | also there is no way Bradford, Smith or Dalton are better than Jay Cutler |
intotheshit
08.17.12 | Lol Jay Cutler.
Bradford is suffering from the same thing Stafford had to deal with in Detroit his first couple of years: terrible O-lines.
And I fucking hate Jay Cutler. |
jrm96
08.17.12 | bradford would be better if he had good receivers |
intotheshit
08.17.12 | I also weighed in what these QB's have around them, weapons-wise, if you couldn't tell.
Cutler ain't got shit but Matt Forte. |
intotheshit
08.17.12 | jrm, if i have to start deleting your comments, i'll be very upset. |
Calc
08.17.12 | "I guarantee we wouldn't be talking about Peyton being a top 5 or top 10 QB without Marvin Harrison."
This is completely false...Marvin Harrison was a beast, but downplaying how good Peyton is is just being a contrarion. One WR won't make a top 5 QB of all time |
jrm96
08.17.12 | cutler's a quitter |
BallsToTheWall
08.17.12 | Newton's running a bit less less and throwing more this year....Mostly same line and same weapons as last year but with Tolbert, Gettis and Murphy to boot. Now that Shockey is gone Olsen will play a bigger role, a great fantasy option tbh.
Cam's throwing for 4500 yards mark my word (2) |
jrm96
08.17.12 | ok i'll make smarter comments |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | Cutler has a top 5-6 RB and WR
what exactly do Roethlisburger, Rivers, Newton, and Peyton Manning have around them? |
AngelofDeath
08.17.12 | "And a great QB is made great by the weapons he has around him. I guarantee we wouldn't be talking about Peyton being a top 5 or top 10 QB without Marvin Harrison. Peyton would still be great, but not considered what he is today."
While this is mostly true, we're talking about the QB with probably the highest football IQ in the game.
And while I think Stafford is talented, I think he had somewhat of a fluke rookie season. Highly doubt he'll be putting up similar numbers this year. |
BallsToTheWall
08.17.12 | What do Carolina have? Are you retarded? |
SeaAnemone
08.17.12 | I was actually at work today in the kitchen and we were talking about vague rumors that said Vick was pretty seriously injured at practice this morning or yesterday evening... took a lot of self-control not to grab the nearest knife and stab something
pretty sure it's untrue though, haven't seen any headlines about it |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | also Cutler's been playing behind the worst O-line in the league for a few years... probably not getting any better this year. anyone who's watched the Bears the last few years will tell you Jay Cutler's is one of if not THE toughest QB in the NFL. |
intotheshit
08.17.12 | Who said it was just "one" wide receiver, Calc?
Reggie Wayne
Dallas Clark
Marvin Harrison
I'm not saying they are the reason he is that good. But if we're going to make the assumption that Matt Stafford is only great because of his wide receivers, then it's only fair to make the assumption that Peyton's development and stability that he's benefitted from is due a lot to whom he was surrounded with in his first few years in the league. |
jrm96
08.17.12 | Peyton- Demaryius Thomas Newton- Steve Smith |
Satellite
08.17.12 | i wouldn't call being placed on the injured reserve with a knee injury a fluke rookie season |
intotheshit
08.17.12 | Angel, last year wasn't Stafford's rookie year. |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | Carolina has J-Stew, Mike Tolbert, an old Steve Smith and Greg Olsen. None of those players are as good as Matt Forte, Michael Bush or Brandon Marshall -- which was my point of comparison. |
jdennis31
08.17.12 | oh and that guy brandon marshall. whoever thinks that rivers in top 5-10 is ridiculous doesn't watch football. guy has the greatest pocket awareness ever. also, jay cutler that low is lol. |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | Demaryius Thomas is ok, but let's not act like he's even a top 20 WR or anything |
jrm96
08.17.12 | weren't we talking about receivers |
BallsToTheWall
08.17.12 | We had the 3rd best rushing and 5th best overall offense last year..."what does Newtonw have?" BAAAAA |
Satellite
08.17.12 | but i know what you meant angel
marino
brees
brady
stafford
^ the only quarterbacks in nfl history to throw for 5000 yds in one season. there's no way it was a fluke for any of them. |
BallsToTheWall
08.17.12 | Also Brandon Marshall is huge as fuck in person. |
intotheshit
08.17.12 | jdennis, you may have had a point saying that jay cutler is too low, but you pretty much nullified that with the comment about Rivers. That shit is lol. |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | we were talking about offensive weapons, so RBs and TEs count too.
that rushing offense was a lot of Newton, and a lot of it came in the first half of the season. How many 200 yard passing games did Cam have in his last 8 games? (hint: if you answer "zero" you're pretty close) |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | Matt Stafford is a beast, no doubt about it |
Calc
08.17.12 | Im just sayin regardless of who he had around him, Peyton would still be top 5 of all time.
There are QB's who are on another level then Matt Stafford, we can all agree with that. So making the argument that Stafford is only good cuz of his receivers is a valid one right now, if he actually plays full seasons and proves otherwise, that argument would change. |
jrm96
08.17.12 | but cam is still good |
jdennis31
08.17.12 | yo have you seen the chargers play? their line isn't the greatest, and phillip rivers is great at finding the open man while under durress. dude was on pace to break 5000 yds without antonio gates or vincent jackson 2 years ago. he had a down turnover year last year and now he gets no respect |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | yea I like Cam and all, I was just disproving the notion that "Cutler has nothing around him but Forte therefore he is barely a top 20 QB" |
jrm96
08.17.12 | well other than brandon marshall wat else does he have |
Recspecs
08.17.12 | Hell yeah Matt Ryan better be top ten, Falcons have a good chance at the division this year. |
jrm96
08.17.12 | Falcons have a good shot if the saints don't take it again |
someguest
08.17.12 | yea intotheshit is back
4 ftw |
Satellite
08.17.12 | i definitely think that last year's shittiness was an anomaly for rivers, but he was never better than a 2nd tier qb |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | my rough ranking
Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Stafford
Rivers
Peyton
Eli
Big Ben
Cutler
Newton
Vick
Matty Ice
Romo
Schaub
Flacco
the rest are basically irrelevant at this point |
jrm96
08.17.12 | romo? |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | "well other than brandon marshall wat else does he have"
well other than a top 5 running back and a top 5 wide receiver, he has decent 2nd tier role type players such as Michael Bush, Devin Hester, Earl Bennett and Alshon Jeffrey (rookie WR who will be very good by the end of the year). |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | I mean if that's the argument, then "other than Megatron who does Stafford have?" is legit |
jrm96
08.17.12 | brandon marshall is not top 5 |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | name 5 receivers better than him |
jdennis31
08.17.12 | well titus young showed flashes of greatness, and nate burleson is a pretty legit #2 or 3 option. also, here are phillip rivers stats for everyone calling him a tier 2 qb. http://www.nfl.com/player/philiprivers/2506121/profile tell me how he's tier 2 |
jdennis31
08.17.12 | lions run game is shit tho |
Trebor.
08.17.12 | Rivers wasn't even shitty last year he just threw some interceptions cuz his team sucked, he's had over 4000 yards the last 4 years or whatever damn not many guys got that |
intotheshit
08.17.12 | Marshall isn't top 5, Veigh. |
jdennis31
08.17.12 | yea dude @trebor, completion % is very elite level as well. yards/attempt are sick as well. honestly i don't see what people are thinkin |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | 1214, 1014, 1120, 1265, 1325
those would be the number of yards receiving Marshall has had in each of the past 5 seasons (who's been throwing to him: Cutler, Kyle Orton, Chad Henne, Matt Moore -- only one of those has a definite starting job in the NFL this year) |
jrm96
08.17.12 | Calvin Johnson, Wes Welker, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, and Steve Smith |
jrm96
08.17.12 | and yea they throw at him cuz they have no one else to throw to |
Aids
08.17.12 | where's whatshisname? |
jrm96
08.17.12 | who? |
intotheshit
08.17.12 | Lol here we go.
Andre Johnson
Calvin Johnson
Roddy White
Dez Bryant
Larry Fitzgerald
AJ Green
Marques Colston
Steve Smith
Hakeem Nicks
Victor Cruz
Wes Welker
Dwayne Bowe
Want me to keep going, Blake? |
jdennis31
08.17.12 | eddie royal in denver, davon bess in miami |
jrm96
08.17.12 | nobody in miami |
jdennis31
08.17.12 | davon bess is really good. very good slot receiver with one of the most reliable hands in the nfl statistically |
intotheshit
08.17.12 | Blake, you're ignoring a few things regarding Brandon Marshall.
The first thing you're not seeing is that none of those QBs had anyone else to throw the ball to.
The second thing you're ignoring is his endzone drops. That's major. |
Aids
08.17.12 | you know, whosit. that guy. he throws a football, usually wears a jersey and some shoes? |
Aids
08.17.12 | he's always walking around and saying things..... you know who i mean |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | Andre Johnson hasn't played a full season, ever. AJ Green was a rookie last year, let's calm down a bit. Steve Smith is old as shit and has never been a top 5 ranked receiver (fantasy-wise) EVER IN HIS CAREER. Marques Colston has had back-to-back 1,000 yard seasons once. Victor Cruz has exactly one good year under his belt. Dwayne Bowe has had one good year and like 4 incredibly bad years (and drops passes constantly). Dez Bryant has never had one 1,000 yard receiving season and arguably isn't even the best on his own team.
Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz, Wes Welker and (maybe) Hakeem Nicks I will give you. But again, Marshall has had horrible QBs throwing to him for the last three years, when he was with Cutler in Denver he was the most productive WR in the league. |
jrm96
08.17.12 | my point exactly
and bess is no welker |
jdennis31
08.17.12 | if brandon marshall has no one taking the coverage off of him, does it not make it more impressive that he got his numbers. not only that, but he's doing it with supposed non elite qbs. |
intotheshit
08.17.12 | Dude, come on guys. As a Miami fan, you can't tell me that Davone Bess is a legitimate target. Bess has reliable hands, but he's a terrible route runner and has NO speed. |
jrm96
08.17.12 | Ok, are we talking about their careers or present |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | "The first thing you're not seeing is that none of those QBs had anyone else to throw the ball to. "
it's not like Larry Fitz, Dwayne Bowe or Andre Johnson have had any good receivers around them either... what's your point?
also Marshall played with Eddie Royal in Denver and Davone Bess in Miami. Not great players, but decent at least. and Reggie Bush was a beast catching passes out of the backfield last year.
next argument? |
jdennis31
08.17.12 | bess could be welker. he is getting better stats in miami than welker ever did |
jdennis31
08.17.12 | yea, it's not like he's gotten 50+ catches in all of his seasons |
jrm96
08.17.12 | running backs |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | 80 catches and at least 1,000 yards in 5 straight seasons. there's maybe 2 other WRs in the NFL who can claim that. |
jrm96
08.17.12 | bess could not be welker
|
intotheshit
08.17.12 | Once again Blake, you're buying big time into a mediocre pick up by a Chicago team. First is was Boozer, now it's Marshall, so what's next? The Cubs will win the world series with Ricky Nolasco? |
jdennis31
08.17.12 | "bess could not be welker
and yea he has better stats cuz miami has bad qb's" what? |
intotheshit
08.17.12 | Blake, fitz had bouldin for a few years and hasn't been the same since he left. |
JAXETA
08.17.12 | hockey ftw |
jdennis31
08.17.12 | he has also gone through the john skelton, kevin kolb, that one guy who had 2 starts since bouldin left |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | "80 catches and at least 1,000 yards in 5 straight seasons. there's maybe 2 other WRs in the NFL who can claim that."
actually there are only 3 in the NFL who can claim that currently:
Larry Fitzgerald
Roddy White
Brandon Marshall
also I was never high on Carlos Boozer, that was a disappointment from the day they signed him. |
AngelofDeath
08.17.12 | "Angel, last year wasn't Stafford's rookie year."
Oh, right. Not sure why I said or thought that. Maybe because his previous appearances were forgettable. |
intotheshit
08.17.12 | Dude, you were high on Boozer. You were telling me how the Heat didn't stand a chance against Chicago, and now you're fumbling around. I'm going to find my old Heatles list and show you.
Don't worry, fam, I still got love for ya. |
Trebor.
08.17.12 | He kept getting hurt yeah |
jrm96
08.17.12 | the dolphins basically gave away brandon marshall |
Trebor.
08.17.12 | Who else is watching hard knocks?
That shit is great |
jdennis31
08.17.12 | yuh. don't really understand that team too much. how does chad johnson go from #1 receiver to not fitting with the scheme? |
Trebor.
08.17.12 | cuz it's the dolphins and they have retarded schemes and don't like winning
|
Inveigh
08.17.12 | "You were telling me how the Heat didn't stand a chance against Chicago"
lol I never said that. I think it was you who was saying the Bulls didn't stand a chance against the Heat, and I simply said they did. but I'm sure it was never based on the Boozer addition. Too bad we never got to really find out... plus every team that faces the Heat has to play 5 on 8 so it's a little unfair...
and of course no hard feelings homie, I've missed this. |
jrm96
08.17.12 | cuz tom brady didnt need him |
intotheshit
08.17.12 | As a Dolphins fan, the only thing I can rejoice in the fact that Jets' fans are constantly let down by the Sanchise. |
jrm96
08.17.12 | idk, i'm still afraid that they'll end up winning the division every year |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | laughing at the Jets is one of my favorite pastimes |
AtomicWaste
08.17.12 | No way Cutler's that low. Other than that, this is a pretty decent list. |
intotheshit
08.17.12 | J-E-T-S SUCK SUCK SUCK!!!! |
jrm96
08.17.12 | yes they do |
paxman
08.17.12 | Rodgers at #1 fuck yes
Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Ryan
Stafford |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | ^whoa Ryan as a top 5 QB? ballsy |
jrm96
08.17.12 | Well at least brees hasnt been 1 |
paxman
08.17.12 | QBs I hate:
Vick
Sanchez
Vick
Cutler
Vick |
paxman
08.17.12 | ^whoa Ryan as a top 5 QB? ballsy
I think he's gonna have a good year |
jrm96
08.17.12 | How can u not like vick? |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | why do people hate Jay Cutler so much? |
jrm96
08.17.12 | Cuz he is a quitter |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | when did he quit exactly? |
paxman
08.17.12 | Cutler is an asshole and a whiny bitch.
Vick is a thug. |
jrm96
08.17.12 | Na im playin i have ntn against him |
jrm96
08.17.12 | Vick is ok |
paxman
08.17.12 | I'm sure he quit his job at McDonald's when he went pro |
Inveigh
08.17.12 | when has he been an asshole or a whiny bitch? i'm just wondering |
paxman
08.17.12 | A large part of my hating Vick is the fact that I hate the eagles. Same with Sanchez, I hate the jets. |
paxman
08.17.12 | I c,an't give you an exact date or anything but I do know that he is a sore loser. I also read an article in SI I think about how he is or was a poor teammate. I think it was right after he went to Denver |
paxman
08.17.12 | Pardon me, right after he went to Chicago |
intotheshit
08.17.12 | I still remember him blowing off several vets trying to tell him to stay up after games. |
North0House2
08.17.12 | OJ Simpson #1 |
jrm96
08.17.12 | Im sorry for my comment |
DominionMM1
08.17.12 | "when did he quit exactly?"
Well, he did kind of quit on the Broncos, and many thought he quit on the Bears during the NFCCG. I can't speak for the knee injury, as I've never had to deal with one, though. |
DominionMM1
08.17.12 | "Well at least brees hasnt been 1"
That'll change soon enough |
jrm96
08.17.12 | I hope not |
DominionMM1
08.17.12 | falcons fan? |
paxman
08.17.12 | Brees will never win another ring |
DominionMM1
08.17.12 | Tough one to predict, but he has a better chance that about 28 other quarterbacks. |
paxman
08.17.12 | Haha
But nobody can argue that Dallas is going to be terrible this year |
jrm96
08.17.12 | No im a pats fan |
DominionMM1
08.17.12 | I don't think they'll be awful, but they won't be particularly good, either. I can see them around 8-8. |
paxman
08.17.12 | You're right, .500 sounds good for Dallas. They've got like twenty players on the injured list right
now |
SeaAnemone
08.17.12 | http://www.theonion.com/articles/ground-emerges-as-tim-tebows-favorite-target,29210/ |
DominionMM1
08.17.12 | http://www.theonion.com/articles/jets-worry-tim-tebow-will-be-distracted-by-wild-ne,27799/ |
cvlts
08.17.12 | jake locker will prob start for tennessee. might as well bump them up 2 spaces for that alone |
MalleusMaleficarum
08.17.12 | Cassel
Cassel
Cassel
Cassel
Cassel
also, you have Josh Freeman way too low |
Wildcatforever
08.17.12 | Move Newton up this instant |
DominionMM1
08.17.12 | "also, you have Josh Freeman way too low"
lol |
Trebor.
08.17.12 | love the onion |
DominionMM1
08.17.12 | http://www.theonion.com/articles/jacksonville-3rdround-pick-punter-bryan-anger-i-wi,28088/
another one of my favorites |
Satellite
08.17.12 | "How can u not like vick?"
are you fucking retarded? |
jrm96
08.17.12 | I was jk-ing |
Satellite
08.17.12 | oh.
oh. |
jrm96
08.17.12 | He is an ok fball player but i hate him |
londoncalling457
08.18.12 | any other fball fans out there |
DominionMM1
08.18.12 | of course. 23 more days bro. |
iambandersnatch
08.18.12 | didn't read the thread at all but
stafford is maybe a smidge too high
rivers is definitely too low
list is solid though
|
MalleusMaleficarum
08.18.12 | Dominion you got somethin to say to me bitch? |
