bakkermaarten007: Lionel Messi

bakkermaarten007 12.10.12	He's mesmerising, the master of the ball. In a team that's master of the game.
Dreamflight 12.10.12	funny, you created this list on the same day Falcao scored....5 fucking goals on a game. ehehe But yeah, Messi and Ronaldo best players ever.
Nikkolae 12.10.12	falcao is by far a better striker, messi is a more well rounded player, CR i dislike with a pasion (madrid fan btw)
Dreamflight 12.10.12	Falcao is probably the best striker nowadays.
menawati 12.10.12	yea messi is legit, he needs to come play for West Ham
DaveyBoy 12.10.12	Absolute freak the way he has a ball on a string. Congrats to the little master.
porch 12.10.12	"defenders were not as rough as now." are you kidding, defenders were way more aggressive back then, every second tackle was a potential leg breaker but yeah messi's amazing
bakkermaarten007 12.10.12	"Absolute freak the way he has a ball on a string. " Yeah exactly. Never seen anyone do that, he never jostles against the ball, it's like he caresses it forward and can still reach his topspeed while doing so.
bakkermaarten007 12.10.12	"are you kidding, defenders were way more aggressive back then, every second tackle was a potential leg breaker" I meant that they were not as muscular and not as organised as they are now. Power training wasn't common back the. The tackles were just a part of the refereeing in these days.
Trebor. 12.10.12	Joe Montana Jerry Rice
VermicideReloadead 12.10.12	Messi needs a lot players like Xavi or Iniesta to have the fucking ball. He's an excellent forward but not the best player of this era, he has a lot of luck. I prefer players like van persie or Ozil Falcao rules hard, it's been a long time since a football player of my country really showed that level, anyways James, Cuadrado and more also have a very good level. Is cool than for the first time in decades we have a decent team capable of more things.
porch 12.10.12	yeah that must be it, he's just lucky good to know your expertise isn't just restricted to 5'ing nightwish albums
porch 12.10.12	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGteJAB-OGA
bakkermaarten007 12.10.12	"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGteJAB-OGA " I have already come hundreds of times on that videao and it didn't fail to make me come again.
Aids 12.10.12	Messi is the best player in the world, possibly the best of all time. Anyone who aggressively refutes either of those claims is doing so out of some sort of bias. He's a genius.
Aids 12.10.12	"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGteJAB-OGA" I love the commentating on that video, and yeah, that's gotta be one of the 5 best goals ever scored, at any level.
peaks40 12.10.12	zlatan ibrahimovic> everyone
Rail 12.10.12	What is it, 85 goals this year? Just phenomenal. I feel privileged that I'll be able to watch him at this level for another couple of seasons.
DaveyBoy 12.10.12	Did someone just play down Messi's achievements because he needs the ball given to him... & then laud Van Persie as a better player. Hahahaha. Sorry, but that's the funniest thing I've heard all day. RVP couldn't find his own ball if he had his hands down his pants.
InfamousGrouse 12.10.12	Call me crazy, but I still rate that goal against Madrid in the semi finals of the CL 2011 above the one against Getafe. Rail, "for another couple of seasons", remember is only 25.
Gwyn. 12.10.12	I find it hilarious that he can do so well with the barca yet he's completely fucking useless with Argentina in the world cup, lol (Barca fan)
Trebor. 12.10.12	If he's so good why have I never heard of him?
InfamousGrouse 12.10.12	gywn you have to remember that Argentina is a top heavy team and Maradona had no real managerial qualities
demigod! 12.10.12	what is your profile picture? I swear i've seen that pic everywhere is it a meme or something
Trebor. 12.10.12	It's from How To Train Your Dragon I think Who's this mexican guy you guys are talking about?
demigod! 12.10.12	It's supposed to be a dragon? Christ i thought it was something from Over the Hedge
FromDaHood 12.10.12	Best there ever was
InfamousGrouse 12.10.12	Zidane >
peaks40 12.10.12	^^^
Aids 12.10.12	Blaming Messi for Argentina not winning a World Cup in the past decade is the stupidest thing. They have like a handful of top-tier players right now. Both Uruguay and Brazil are far deeper teams, and that's just staying on the continent. also, what Davey said, hard. Messi sets up twice as many goals as he scores as well, he's such a well rounded player.
InfamousGrouse 12.10.12	well granted Messi has played in two world cups and only scored one goal, which is unimpressive: hell Thomas Muller at 20 managed to score five in his first. However, as I said, tactical naiveties of Maradona in 2010 cost Argentina against a great team in Germany. Bastian Schweinsteiger had arguably the best game of his career (at least in my eyes, I've been watching him consistently for about five years), marking him out of the match entirely, and their shoddy back four had a bad, bad game. They played the whole tournament as a group of talented individuals and nothing more. Hell blame Messi all you want, he did have a bad game by his standards. He barely ever has bad games (vs Inter Milan 2010, Chelsea 2012 especially spring to mind) but he is for the most part remarkably consistent and deserves to break the record imo
JamieTwort 12.10.12	"Messi is the best player in the world, possibly the best of all time. Anyone who aggressively refutes either of those claims is doing so out of some sort of bias. He's a genius." ^this hard.
SIMBOLIC 12.10.12	messi may be better, but ronaldo is the most well rounded footballer in the world bar none.
Keyblade 12.10.12	"Messi needs a lot players like Xavi or Iniesta to have the fucking ball. He's an excellent forward but not the best player of this era, he has a lot of luck. I prefer players like van persie or Ozil" lmfao Also Messi = goat
Chrisjon89 12.10.12	it's not a question of luck but the system he plays in definitely complements his playing style. they seem to be built around him moreso now than they were a few years back when they had Eto'o and Henry in the front three. But he's an amazing player in any case. It's a ridiculous amount of goals. It's like FIFA level ridiculous.
mifzal 12.10.12	m/ Messi m/ jealous fags, jealous fags everywhere!
Chrisjon89 12.10.12	"messi may be better, but ronaldo is the most well rounded footballer in the world bar none." dunno. I would've agreed two years ago but Messi scores free kicks and penalties these days, and can score with his head. Ronaldo is a brilliant player too.
JamieTwort 12.10.12	"messi may be better, but ronaldo is the most well rounded footballer in the world bar none." I disagree. This might have been true a few years ago but now Messi is better in regards to pretty much every aspect.
mifzal 12.10.12	"messi may be better, but ronaldo is the most well rounded footballer in the world bar none." not even in his dreams! messi is far better player! sure C.Ronaldo is a talented circus type juggler! but for me ronaldinho is the best player ever!
JamieTwort 12.10.12	Chrisjon beat me to it.
SIMBOLIC 12.10.12	yeh but ronaldo is a better long range striker, better in the air by far (messi may be decent but has nothing on ronaldo in the air), better free kicks (not by too much tho) and stronger. Pretty much messi may be better skillfully (dribbling, finishing, passing) but ronaldo is better physically
SIMBOLIC 12.10.12	for me i prefer ronaldo as he is more complete and can carry a team on his back. ive seen a few barcelona games. if xavi and iniesta arent firing, neither is messi from wat ive seen
JamieTwort 12.10.12	Messi is a much more consistent performer than Ronaldo. He's shown that particularly this season where as Ronaldo's season has been pretty hit and miss so far.
SIMBOLIC 12.10.12	ronaldo scored 2 hat tricks in a week this season and has been consitently excellent in the champions league. i havent seen la liga but he's looked good in the CL
mifzal 12.10.12	"Messi is a much more consistent performer than Ronaldo. He's shown that particularly this season where as Ronaldo's season as been pretty hit and miss so far." - everybody has their good days and bad days but that doesn't strip the talent from anybody! Messi is overall better and c.ronaldo is one of the best players right now!
SIMBOLIC 12.10.12	its close. I mean messi is helped as a striker by having the two best midfielders in the world and fabregas who would be top 10 feeding him gems
Keyblade 12.10.12	So he's physically stronger (something Messi can't help especially considering his medical condition growing up) therefore he's a better all round footballer? Also the claim that he can't perform without Xavi or Iniesta is almost as silly as the 'well can he do it on a rainy Tuesday night in Stoke?' argument.
JamieTwort 12.10.12	"ronaldo scored 2 hat tricks in a week this season and has been consitently excellent in the champions league. i havent seen la liga but he's looked good in the CL" I was mainly referring to his performances La Liga.
JamieTwort 12.10.12	"everybody has their good days and bad days but that doesn't strip the talent from anybody!" - True but consistency is a factor that should imo be taken into account when discussing who is the best player in the world.
Chrisjon89 12.10.12	I see Ronaldo as better in terms of tricks and stuff, whereas Messi opts for close control. I agree Ronaldo is still stronger in the air but Barcelona aren't really known for their crossing. That's one of their weaknesses - defending in the air against set pieces cos they're a shorter team. And I agree Ronaldo is a better striker of the ball from distance but once again, Barcelona aren't a long range shot type of team. I think Messi is better overall but not gonna complain cos those are two ridiculously good players.
mifzal 12.10.12	"True but consistency is a factor that should imo be taken into account when discussing who is the best player in the world." it's not that! for most one slip is enough to prove someone's inferiority!
SIMBOLIC 12.10.12	@Keyblade well strength is only one of things i mentioned but yeh strength is an important part of being an attacking player. @chris whether or not barca cross the ball often is irrelevant. ronaldo is still better in the air. sure they've desgined their team to work around messi's strengths which is intelligent, it doesn't mean his shortcomings dont matter
JamieTwort 12.10.12	"it's not that! for most one slip is enough to prove someone's inferiority!" Well yeah sometimes people do react too strongly when a player has a slip up but that's not really what I was getting at, I was talking about consistency as being one of Messi's many assets.
mifzal 12.10.12	Ronaldinho>Messi>C.Ronaldo
Chrisjon89 12.10.12	I agreed that Ronaldo is stronger in the air. I wouldn't call it a shortcoming of Messi's though. And I think they're both ridiculously consistent. I hope Athletico push them all the way this season. Falcao is another great player who I unfortunately never get to watch these days since they stopped showing La Liga on ESPN. You'd think someone will be after him for a transfer at the end of the year.
Dreamflight 12.10.12	The way I see it Ronaldo is like the perfect player. He pretty much does everything right. Like Mourinho said on some documentary, he's the first to press the oposite team on counter attacks, and his influence on defensive corners is really high. And for a winger to score such ammount of goals is pretty impressive if you ask me. Messi on the other hand is a natural born talent, and a fucking genious. It's true he is yet to prove his talent on another team, but wtf would he want to leave the best team in the world, while earning millions? he's on the top, unfortunely there's nothing beyond Barça these days.
Recspecs 12.10.12	Santi Cazorla
Keyblade 12.10.12	is a diving fuck
bakkermaarten007 12.10.12	"is a diving fuck" One of the fairest players out there but sure.
Keyblade 12.10.12	i was talking about cazorla
Recspecs 12.10.12	Fuck off every player has dove before in their career.
OmairSh 12.10.12	"is a diving fuck" How does Busquets' name not come before these 4 words? I heard Busquets is opening up a diving academy after retiring from football.
bakkermaarten007 12.10.12	I like doves.
OmairSh 12.10.12	"RVP couldn't find his own ball if he had his hands down his pants." Haha
Keyblade 12.10.12	recs i'm just fuckin with you man. he's you best player though, by far
Dreamflight 12.10.12	"How does Busquets' name not come before these 4 words? I heard Busquets is opening up a diving academy after retiring from football." This is so true.
porch 12.10.12	"yet he's completely fucking useless with Argentina in the world cup" people who say this don't know anything about the sport try actually watching argentina's games in the last WC instead of just looking at his goal tally. he was involved in setting up goals/creating opportunities in pretty much every game and hit the post/bar 3 or 4 times
Keyblade 12.10.12	zackly
JamieTwort 12.10.12	Agreed.
InfamousGrouse 12.10.12	His hattrick against Brazil recently shows he does show up for his national team. And if Argentina can sort themselves out in time for 2014 because of Messi, Aguero etc they're always going to be dark horses.
wabbit 12.10.12	People who don't like messi are the same people who don't like the beatles
Adabelle 12.10.12	Messi is on EPO and analgesics, when will you guys get this
anarchistfish 12.10.12	"football (soccer for you Americans) was hardly as professionalised as it is now and defenders were not as rough as now" there is a contradiction there. better defenders are less likely to injure you because they're better trained to tackle properly
OmairSh 12.10.12	Ah Iniesta
JamieTwort 12.10.12	Iniesta is amazing.
peaks40 12.10.12	iniesta's a diving fucking prick, Balotelli >
JamieTwort 12.10.12	lol
JamieTwort 12.10.12	I'm hoping that was a joke.
peaks40 12.10.12	if you never seen iniesta dive,you're blind. Balotelli is > and i hate his attitude
Satellite 12.10.12	lol at soccer defenders being "rough"
JamieTwort 12.10.12	"if you never seen iniesta dive,you're blind. Balotelli is > and i hate his attitude" If you seriously think Balotelli is better than Iniesta then you're an idiot. Regardless of whether Iniesta dives or not.
Keyblade 12.10.12	You wouldn't be saying that after Ryan Shawcross breaks your leg in two
OmairSh 12.10.12	"iniesta's a diving fucking prick" It's not called diving when 2 guys tackle you. But I admit that Iniesta has dived on occasion, as has messi. But sometimes they do it when the referee hasn't given a few fouls earlier which the players thought should've been given.
Satellite 12.10.12	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk3qIjz5EDM perspective
OmairSh 12.10.12	"Balotelli is > and i hate his attitude" You hate humility? Guess you're perfect for sputnik.
Keyblade 12.10.12	lmao @ balotelli > iniesta Sat can't watch the video, cliffnotes?
menawati 12.10.12	"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk3qIjz5EDM perspective" Yea but those guys are padded up like crazy and wear crash helmets.
OmairSh 12.10.12	Satellite's trolling, it's aight
Satellite 12.10.12	soccer was invented so effete europeans would have something to do when their wives were away at work
peaks40 12.10.12	balotelli humble? lmfao wow don't ever talk soccer again plz
menawati 12.10.12	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwL-QDZg2BY best goal ive ever seen (and he's actually left footed)
peaks40 12.10.12	okay he's not better than iniesta yet, and pirlo is better than iniesta.
JamieTwort 12.10.12	Pirlo is great but I think Iniesta is slightly better.
peaks40 12.10.12	Pirlo is better at different aspects, free kicks, crossing, ball delivery
JamieTwort 12.10.12	Arguably yes and Iniesta is better at others. Both are amazing players.
InfamousGrouse 12.10.12	Iniesta is my favourite player in the world currently because he is the only individual able to partially imitate Zidane's grace on the ball
peaks40 12.10.12	Zidane is the best player ever though
JamieTwort 12.10.12	Iniesta is probably my second favourite behind Messi.
peaks40 12.10.12	Zlatan is my favorite, than probs falcao
stranger 12.10.12	*fellatio
JamieTwort 12.10.12	Zlatan's goal agaisnt England was amazing.
peaks40 12.10.12	mexes' was better though
menawati 12.10.12	is Neymar any good ?
stranger 12.10.12	no
menawati 12.10.12	he's always the highest rated and most expensive young player in Football Manager last couple of years i just wondered if he is any good
JamieTwort 12.10.12	I honestly haven't watched Neymar play enough to comment on how good he is.
InfamousGrouse 12.10.12	Neymar is overrated for me currently. We'll judge him when he moves to Europe, whenever that is.
jefflebowski 12.10.12	'if xavi and iniesta arent firing, neither is messi from wat ive seen' you mean, like, yesterday against betis, when scored barca's only two goals and the rest of the team were awful?
Aids 12.10.12	Neymar is great but he's so so so overrated at the moment. People are calling him the next Messi but it's not justified. With the resurgence that domestic football in Brazil is having, they're keeping more of their starts in the country with big contracts. Neymar needs to go to Europe to develop his game, especially if he ever wants to justify these comparisons, but his bosses are doing everything then can to keep him in Sao Paolo. I think that he has a real opportuinity to show the world what he can do in 2014. But anything less than a win will be seen as a disaster, and I think they will fall short. Brazil's performance in the Gold Metal game in London (and specifically, Neymar's) was underwhelming and pathetic. They lost to 2nd-tier soccer nation's B team, and they had all their stars on display. tldr: he is amazing, but he needs to mature and gain some non-brazillian footballing perspective before we can talk about him being top-tier.
menawati 12.10.12	great info Aids
Aids 12.10.12	it's important to be educated on HIV/Aids in the 21st century. Cause knowledge is power!
Recspecs 12.10.12	Power is the next step!!
cirq 12.10.12	gonna go down as the best ever.. bet dat
Adabelle 12.10.12	Yeah Neymar overrated i agree with this
anarchistfish 12.10.12	aids why are you called aids?
wacknizzle 12.10.12	WHAT THE FUCK I THOUGHT THIS WAS ABOUT LIONEL TRAINS!!! I WANNA TALK ABOUT TRAINS!!! call me old-fashioned but i think trains are kick-ass!!!
Scoot 12.10.12	guy's a beast
Fortheloveofmusic 12.11.12	In my eyes, Christiano Ronaldo's the perfect labratory player. If people could make a player, they would have all the attributes of Ronaldo. But Messi's just some crazy talented guy who came out of nowhere. Seriously, if you made a lineup for a crime, Messi wouldn't look out of place. But he just has something that makes everything click. I know that doesn't make much sense, but that's why I think Messi is a better player personally.
Adabelle 12.11.12	There's a great documentary abotu Ronaldo on youtube, analysing why he's so amazing. Stuff like if someone's taking a corner and the lights go out as the ball is struck, he knows exactly where the ball is going anyway so he still scores
ButteryBiscuitBass 12.11.12	VIVA RONALDO
JamieTwort 12.11.12	Messi>
NightmareCinema16 12.11.12	I don't watch soccer. Is that a bad thing?