zaruyache
08.28.17 | I thought it was going kinda slow and anticlimactic oops nvm |
Satellite
08.28.17 | are tormund and beric okay?!?! i couldn't see. |
zaruyache
08.28.17 | my feed crapped out right then i think, but i hope so. dunno why'd they bump them off so pointlessly like that. |
Satellite
08.28.17 | hopefully they were still wearing their plot armor from the last episode. |
trilo
08.28.17 | pretty average season overall but finale was solid |
Underflow
08.28.17 | Last episode was horrendous, this almost made up for it |
TheSupernatural
08.28.17 | Last episode had a fantastic ending but the exposition to get to that point was a bit on the ludicrous side. Not an ideal season but the lack of Sparrows automatically made it better than the last two. |
tacos n stuff
08.28.17 | the finale tied up every story line in the best way possible imo, very thankful about that
The season was one of the worst overall (due to obvious pacing issues) but had some really great moments and is still ahead of s5 by a good deal if you ask me |
Dunpeal
08.28.17 | ran the sex scene in slow mo so i could see jon's man meat |
dimsim3478
08.28.17 | "are tormund and beric okay?!?! i couldn't see." pretty sure they were on the part of the wall that didnt crumble
anyway i didnt care that much for this ep. i mean yea all this crazy shit finally happened but i felt the execution of much of it was kinda flat. also theres like no good dialogue in this show anymore. |
hal1ax
08.28.17 | are tormund and beric okay?!?! i couldn't see. [2]
good ep yea. cersei is so irritating lol. glad jaime bounced. ghost is gonna scold me for this |
Deez
08.28.17 | so dope. Everything tied up for now and a little incest with a dead penis and a Dragon Vag. Great stuff. |
hal1ax
08.28.17 | the scene with the hound and zombie mountain was pretty funny. just casually walks up to him amid that incredibly tense scene and just shit talks lol |
Prancer
08.28.17 | I thought the meeting between Cersei and Tyrion made up for some of the bland dialogue this season. There was also some good politicking this episode with Cersei playing Tyrion and conspiring with Euron behind Jamie's back. Cersei is just too good a villain, so I am hoping for the first half of the last season to wrap up the war for the dawn and the latter half to be the huge conclusions with all the main characters. |
ShitsofRain
08.28.17 | only ones making progress are the undead :D |
Gameofmetal
08.28.17 | this season has had a lot of solid dialogue compared to the last few, not sure what some of ya'll are talking about. It's still not the best, but they're fixing shit. |
Dewinged
08.28.17 | All hail Cersei the true Queen!! Seriously everyone is losing their shit while she is the only one with a plan. Let the enemies kill each other. We'll wipe the rest. |
DoofusWainwright
08.28.17 | One of the best seasons, haters are blind (best special effects of any single season of TV by a huge margin), deaf (the dialogue this season has been better than ever imo, more humour esp) and dumb (hopefully...nah, they'll whinge).
I'd rate this season 9/10 - a couple of unlikely plots, a LITTLE bit too much editing (yes the 'too slow' show is now 'too fast' for everyone zzzz) and my boy Little Finger went down a bit too soft, wanted him to have a showdown with Varys too.
Still, this killed all my inteeest in the new Twin Peaks for three or four weeks (have five episodes backed up) so job done. Greatest TV show just returned to top form. |
Rowan5215
08.28.17 | not that I expected any less doof, but you missed three of the greatest episodes ever shown on TV with Twin Peaks while watching your show about dragons and tits and so on, gg |
Gameofmetal
08.28.17 | there haven't even been tits in like four episodes so checkmate rowbitch |
Rowan5215
08.28.17 | oh damn, must be the best show on TV then, you got me |
Papa Universe
08.28.17 | It was funny to see Littlefinger on his knees, although I was a little sad, cause he was indeed among my favourite characters... |
Rolling Girl
08.28.17 | My boy Theon coming in so strong. |
Papa Universe
08.28.17 | I did want to see Yara again, though. Kind of hoped they at least flashed her there... |
Gameofmetal
08.28.17 | "My boy Theon coming in so strong."
thank god theon did something, the only thing he got around to doing was being an insufferable little bitch and jumping ship at the worst time. I was wondering if they'd forgotten about him. |
kris.
08.28.17 | "One of the best seasons"
lmao nah
i did have a hate erection for that entire Littlefinger scene though. like that entire plot line was almost Dorne-level terrible but seeing groveling and crying on his knees before getting got was so satisfying.
also very happy they teased the only thing that matters anymore - CLEGANEBOOOOOWL |
worthlessscab
08.28.17 | this show has been getting progressively worse since season 3. by this point there's barely any depth left |
Rolling Girl
08.28.17 | I thought this season was great, hardly any moment felt wasted or useless to me. |
Papa Universe
08.28.17 | I mean, this is an expected reaction from people towards a television product that exists as long as this. Once there are over 3 seasons, you are guaranteed to have a backlash... |
zaruyache
08.28.17 | I love that Clegane is likeable now. Also surprised The Mountain wasn't taller. Maybe he shrunk while being Frankenstein'd
|
DoofusWainwright
08.28.17 | 'this show has been getting progressively worse since season 3. by this point there's barely any depth left'
I dunno dude, this is still the show they have to put in a lot of exposition because there is so much depth :/
'not that I expected any less doof, but you missed three of the greatest episodes ever shown on TV with Twin Peaks while watching your show about dragons and tits and so on, gg'
Well, I'm still going to watch them but the Twin Peaks was testing even the legendary Doof patience a shade (Eraserhead is my favourite movie). It's good, maybe great even...but GoT is Star Wars in 1977 you feel? It has the magic. These actors will be loved as much as the Star Trek and Star Wars cast even in 40 years time (survival of human civilisation withstanding), it's a bona fide popular culture phenomena, the only one I can really point to in 2017. I unashamedly love the thing to death and no one can intellectualise me out of it :D |
DoofusWainwright
08.28.17 | 'your show about dragons and tits and so on'
Is a show about demons from good 'white' and evil 'black' lodges all that much more highbrow though really? |
tempest--
08.28.17 | I love your enthusiasm Doof 😁 |
worthlessscab
08.28.17 | It's not the length, it's the writing and the plot. It's all so stupid and unengaging in comparison, D&D have turned it into superficial candy [a la LOTR with less popcorn value], and the pacing doesn't help. You'd think with how well they adapted the books early on they'd be able to carry it on their own but guess they are just not up to the task. Granted the character arcs become very complex but with the amount of money being thrown into the show they oughta have thousands of heads with ideas on making it work rather than just saying fuck it and hurriedly tying everything and off to the final battle.
It's disappointing knowing how much more this could've been |
Gameofmetal
08.28.17 | is doof taking the piss rn? |
Gameofmetal
08.28.17 | "It's not the length, it's the writing and the plot. It's all so stupid and unengaging in comparison, D&D have turned it into superficial candy [a la LOTR with less popcorn value], and the pacing doesn't help. You'd think with how well they adapted the books early on they'd be able to carry it on their own but guess they are just not up to the task. Granted the character arcs become very complex but with the amount of money being thrown into the show they oughta have thousands of heads with ideas on making it work rather than just saying fuck it and hurriedly tying everything and off to the final battle.
It's disappointing knowing how much more this could've been"
you know the show is literal fanfiction right?
very good fanfiction, but fanfiction nonetheless. |
Insurrection
08.28.17 | loved the season. only real issue i had was the second to last episode and its complete disregard for time and jon's invincible plot armor, but visually it was stunning
littlefinger will be missed, but it's about time he got what was coming to him. his scheming was integral to the previous seasons but now that the night king and his army are the real threat there's not much place for him. and it was nice to see him squirm and beg for mercy when he was caught off guard
jaime is finally getting his shit together. i thought he was gonna die a couple times this season, glad he didn't though cause he's a complex character
and jon's real name being aegon means...something? idk but he got to bang daenerys so good on him |
hal1ax
08.28.17 | I liked this season a lot as well. |
polyrhythm
08.28.17 | Writing, dialogue and pacing have been very patchy this season. Any semblance of artistry or intellectualism is long gone (say what you will, the first couple seasons felt like a smart show written by smart people). People make cringe-worthy one liners, or just chirp their catchphrase for the billionth time... "the dead are coming", "you killed our father", "it doesn't matter who sits the throne", "I've seen the enemy" etc etc etc.
BUT, thanks to all these plot threads finally coming together in a spectacular way, I almost don't mind. Just buckling in and enjoying the ride at this point |
anarchistfish
08.28.17 | https://i.imgur.com/qLfVmbo.png |
anarchistfish
08.28.17 | https://i.imgur.com/a9vTmSu.jpg |
anarchistfish
08.28.17 | https://i.redd.it/fcwmyv3x8eiz.jpg |
anarchistfish
08.28.17 | https://i.redd.it/dv4ptzca5hiz.jpg |
Prancer
08.28.17 | @Doofus part of the reason people have an issue with the dialogue is because of the comedy. I like the witty one liners thrown in there every now and then, but when the army of the dead is supposed to be this terrifying threat and many of the conversations are boiling down to witty jokes, it makes it seem less serious. Also a lot of the dialogue felt like I was watching the Walking Dead (when characters basically just restate what was shown to us through actions, but in words).
My main issue with this season has been some of the overall story arcs and plot holes. I feel like everyone predicted Baelish would die this season, so the Winterfell arc was boring. I'm not going to go on a rant, but the arc beyond the wall was the worst of it. Thankfully the finale did a pretty good job paying off many of the questionable decisions from D&D. Hopefully they set up/tied up everything they needed to make sure season 8 will be amazing. |
hal1ax
08.28.17 | aegon sand finally laying the pork on aunty. my man |
BallsToTheWall
08.28.17 | THEON!!!!! |
Dinosaur
08.28.17 | we saw that coming for 3 epis |
BallsToTheWall
08.28.17 | also very happy they teased the only thing that matters anymore - CLEGANEBOOOOOWL (2) |
hal1ax
08.28.17 | tormund better not be dead |
Papa Universe
08.28.17 | He should have died on that lake, if they were saving up his death for this last scene, then they done fucked up... |
hal1ax
08.28.17 | the hound wasn't about to let him get murked like that. real recognize real
|
Gyromania
08.28.17 | i'm divided. i loved a lot of this season, but the pacing was horrendous. some of it can be explained away by assuming there are many weeks and/or months between events (like, euron and jaime both seem to be able to travel great distances and then somehow reappear in king's landing... requires some suspended disbelief).
the cgi was solid as fuck, some of the character development was incredible - especially loved the arya arc. cersei is honestly a fucking retard whose decisions are all inspired by malice. she often opts for the worst course of action.
season finale was good but there was a pregnant pause in the first 30 or so minutes. a lot of dumb expositional shit that we already knew about presented as if it were a big reveal. again, biggest problem is all the stuff we have to take on faith (like, the walkers don't go near water, but they somehow got ridiculously big ass chains (which, like... where the fuck did they get those?) around a dragon that sunk who knows how deep) |
DoofusWainwright
08.28.17 | I'd have thought the events in this season took place over 18 months or so :/
So timing issue is more an editing/pacing issue. The audience complained about the 'slow' pace - now it's agreed that it's too fast. I think the pacing is just telling people We're at a different stage in the series, less skullduggery and more major moves approaching the end. |
zakalwe
08.28.17 | Loved it |
zakalwe
08.28.17 | Is that leader of the dead bloke a targaryen? |
zaruyache
08.28.17 | night king was turned to iceman pre-targaryen invasion, so nah. |
hal1ax
08.28.17 | i think he is one of the first men? not sure what his bloodline is about tho. |
hal1ax
08.28.17 | well, didn't all of the houses descend from the first men? |
zaruyache
08.28.17 | the targaryens came from old valyria in essos, so nah. The First Men were the first people to settle westeros (from essos), and then centuries later more people came over (the andals). They fought and basically the Andals kept the southern regions and the First Men got the north. Then the targaryens came over and wrecked stuff. |
hal1ax
08.28.17 | Ohh I see |
polyrhythm
08.29.17 | @Doof I understand your argument but it still took Arya a whole season to get from the Riverlands to the Eyrie in s4, and a character covers greater distances multiple times an episode now. That represents a crazy level of acceleration |
polyrhythm
08.29.17 | Like, way more than can be excused with a simple "things are picking up now." That's sloth to cheetah speed |
Deez
08.29.17 | Yeah its been ridiculous to that extent. Even the finale somebody said it takes the ravens longer to fly in this weather. Yet the one they sent to Daenerys for help got there in about 4 seconds. Ive just chosen to ignore it. I knew a lot of that would happen this series due the number of episodes. Peeps are gonna say its too slow they cry its too fast. |
tempest--
08.29.17 | do u just want titles that say "1 week later" every time smh! |
mifzal
08.29.17 | I had a one major problem with this season. This new 7 episode format is not helping them. last two episodes was very rushed (I'm not talking about character teleportation). |
DoofusWainwright
08.30.17 | The last three seasons before this one people moaned about patches of slow pace/'talk-y episodes'.
You can't keep everyone happy |
anarchistfish
08.30.17 | ppl that complain about talky episodes can die tbh |
anarchistfish
08.30.17 | "I'd have thought the events in this season took place over 18 months or so :/
So timing issue is more an editing/pacing issue. The audience complained about the 'slow' pace - now it's agreed that it's too fast. I think the pacing is just telling people We're at a different stage in the series, less skullduggery and more major moves approaching the end."
agreed |
Egarran
08.30.17 | BLUE FIRE CAN'T MELT STONE WALLS |
polyrhythm
08.30.17 | why can't there be valid complaints of slow pacing in one season, and breakneck pacing in another? Some of the earlier seasons moved at a glacial pace or repeated themselves, and now, when we get to the juicy good stuff, they've slammed their foot on the accelerator. Imagine somebody reciting a tale grandpa Simpson style, only to start talking incomprehensibly fast when it gets to the climax, making leaps of logic and skipping important details |
DoofusWainwright
08.30.17 | There's a valid small complaint on both but unrelenting moaning gets boring. We're talking about the pacing of a TV show...is it THAT important to overall enjoyment? For me this sort of thing is pretty minor, I understand very few things in this world are totally perfect. I can't think of a TV show with 100% perfect pacing, Breaking Bad I thought was close but then people moaned it was too slow when it reached the section they went into the hi-tech lab. |
polyrhythm
08.30.17 | Whether or not it is that important to overall enjoyment depends on the individual. For me, this is still an 8/10 show, but will remain as such so long as this bugs me. It goes beyond just how fast or slow it moves, I think. If the season is moving too slow or meandering, you're seeing a lot of filler stuff onscreen you'd rather not. In a breakneck season, there's scenes you'd like to see, charming character moments or conversations, but don't. It affects the delivery and the momentum, but also the very content that makes it onto your screen. Imagine getting six enormous platters of steamed potatoes, and then a tiny dessert. Not a perfect analogy, the show is better than that implies, but hopefully you get the idea.
Combined with the weaker dialogue and leaps of logic this season, yeah, I think the complaints are justified. We're all still going to watch it though |
DoofusWainwright
08.30.17 | 'weaker dialogue'
I really think this season had the best dialogue of the last three or four seasons :/ |
polyrhythm
08.30.17 | Davos: what ya think of the dragon queen yer grace
Jon: she has a good heart
Davos: you sure spent a lot of time staring at her... heart ;]
Jon: there's no time for that... I've seen the night king. The north remembers that winter is coming for us all. This is about the living and the dead
Dany: I am the queen
Cersei: I am the queen
Brienne: my lady
Bronn: cocks
Tyrion: cunts |
DoofusWainwright
08.30.17 | Things that bugged me slightly:
- Arya as a faceless man version of Walder is as tall and speaks in exactly the same style/language, and says things as to not arouse even a tiny amount of suspicion at the feast. I guess the assumption is she's been studying him for weeks if not months? Still, uncanny to know exactly the perfect words to say.
- The scene with singing ginger Ed was not needed at all, just a nonsense cameo, but I think on the plus side this scene stood out because there are less on the road/campfire fodder scenes (a good thing).
- The 'seven beyond the wall on the rock' bit. The timing does seem a bit suspect here as they admit they are slowly freezing. Could it have been shown they found a way of keeping warm and feeding to show they lasted a couple of days? Just eating rations or whatever and starting a fire using something, as its a stretch to think Dani saved them within 24 hours or so? Also, I think when the Hound realizes he can break the ice again with the hammer maybe it would have been neater if he did more of that causing a large proportion of the walkers to plunge into the lake again as that fight seemed never ending and really they should all have been toast. A bit too 'Gimli and Legolas on the Helm's Deep bridge' for GoT. The big chains don't bother me too much and the CGI of the dragon coming out of the lake was 10/10. The Night King is well prepared, I can believe that.
- Little Finger not smelling which way the wind was blowing. |
DoofusWainwright
08.30.17 | poly I disagree:
every line The Hound delivered: 100% gold
every line Tormund delivered: 100% gold
almost as good: Bronn, Tyrion, Olenna (RIP), Little Finger (RIP), Davos, Beric, Euron (got more and more entertaining each time he showed), Samwell Tarly (seriously) |
polyrhythm
08.30.17 | - Yeah the faceless men thing beggars belief, wearing a latex mask doesn't make you inherit the height, build and voice of the person you are imitating. Ridiculous.
- Ed cameo was garbage, but hey, a quieter road scene that didn't directly relate to the plot. This season could have used even a couple more like it imo, stretch that episode count by one. Room to breathe between epic set pieces, and to give SOME sense of the passage of time. Westeros seemed to be the size of a parking lot this season, with how quickly and easily folks got around.
- Part of the original hook of the show, what made it stand out from other franchises, was that it punished people for foolish behaviour, even main characters. It instilled a truly-nobody-is-safe kind of atmosphere, which people found refreshing and captivating. Anybody could die at any time. Now, we have ridiculous Avengers moments where anybody we care about has seventeen layers of plot armour. We lost Thoros, okay, and a dragon, but by earlier standards in the show, such reckless against-the-odds behaviour would have seen them all killed. Also Deus ex Benjen, YE GODS
- It was nice for Littlefinger to finally be outsmarted, and for Sansa to be the one to do it. She had her Darth Sansa costume change at the end of season 4, where it looked like she'd finally found her spine and learned to play the game... then she went straight back to being a victim and a captive with Ramsay. A shame to see LF go before what seemed like a big inevitable showdown with Varys, but hey. His death marks the end of the political intrigue dimension of the show, which doesn't seem to have any place in this more traditional epic fantasy climax. The days of small councils and political scheming seem long gone. |
polyrhythm
08.30.17 | Hound and Tormund = great
Bronn, Tyrion, Olenna, Beric = good
everyone else = chirping their catchphrases ("bend the knee"), making cringey jokes or simply banal observations
I feel the show used to have a much higher calibre of dialogue... go back to almost any scene in the first four seasons and you'll hear the difference. Ned, Robert, Tywin, Olenna, Tyrion... all silvertongued af |
Egarran
08.30.17 | Cunt |
DoofusWainwright
08.30.17 | Oh yes, I forgot Benjen Cold Hands...just when you thought things couldn't get any more stoopid. Agreed 100% there, why did we have to see Jon plunge in ice cold water for ages (another improbable non drowning, see also Jaime) fully clothed and then get rescued just so they could tie up the Benjen character? Does this mean every character has to return? Will Daario chase Euron across the Narrow Sea, etc?
I still enjoyed that episode despite it being possibly the very most far fetched of the entire show but...all the writers needed to do was tone things down 20%. That would have brought things a little closer to the realms of believable again and would have ended up so much better for it. |
Egarran
08.30.17 | Where did the zombies get the chains?! Worst show ever. |
polyrhythm
08.30.17 | someone must have attached the chains, but I thought Jon said they couldn't swim lol checkmate atheists |
DoofusWainwright
08.30.17 | The chains enabled the greatest animation of a dragon ever so forgive the chains |
Egarran
08.30.17 | The worst thing about all this is we have to survive 2 more years to see the ending. |
wwf
08.30.17 | 'Will Daario chase Euron across the narrow sea?'
Oh pls no |
DoofusWainwright
08.30.17 | 'someone must have attached the chains, but I thought Jon said they couldn't swim'
The zombies were already down there fumbling about on the lake bed :D
Maybe there's a deleted scene from zombie perspective of them milling about a little lost and then whoosh, you've only just got used to your new undead aquatic habitat but here's a fat dragon about to land on your decaying noggin.
"Yay, I avoided that, party, I'm still undead! [clunk] Now what? Who dropped that chain on my bonce? Why am I suddenly compelled to attach it to this dead dragon? Thank god I was an ironmonger when I was alive". |
Egarran
08.30.17 | I'll just go with 'magical chains'.
But what was up with the lake being randomly melted/frozen? |
DoofusWainwright
08.30.17 | Yup, especially when the army of the dead is accompanied by 'magic' unnaturally cold weather :/ |
Satellite
08.30.17 | why the fuck did tnk even need to raise viserion from the lake to begin with? in hardhome he resurrected an entire wildling army just by shrugging menacingly.
(note: this is a rhetorical question and i realize that trying to apply logic to this show's writing post-season 4 is as fruitful an endeavor as trying to kick water uphill) |
hal1ax
08.30.17 | Hound and Tormund = great [2] |
Gyromania
08.30.17 | doof olenna is much more enjoyable than tormund, who is a great character... but come on, was anybody on the show wittier and more intelligent? hell no |
hal1ax
08.30.17 | i like davos and jaime a lot too |
Insurrection
08.30.17 | benjen is the lord of ex machinas. dude materializes from thin air whenever a stark is in trouble
do we know how cersei was able to communicate with euron about bringing that army across the sea? from what i remember euron seemed pretty sincere when he said he was terrified of wights and wanted out. unless that was the plan all along regardless of what was in the box. or could she have been bluffing about that to jaime to threaten him into staying at king's landing? i just don't see euron as the most trustworthy guy to entrust with your entire military |
zaruyache
08.30.17 | She prob planned on hiring the gold company but just didn't tell euron about it because fuck that guy. She told him when she actually needed him to do it, not before. Seems totally her style. |
hal1ax
08.30.17 | didn't the lannister envoy with all of the gold--which was supposed to go toward reimbursing the iron bank--get annihilated by dany//drogon? or did i miss something |
hal1ax
08.30.17 | when they were waylayed on their way back from highgarden? |
Egarran
08.30.17 | They said the bank got its gold. I guess the rest was Lannister loot. |
hal1ax
08.30.17 | ohh ok. |