TrantaLocked: Best albums ever created

rockarollacola 10.13.19	Bold choice not including any Radiohead albums. I thank you for that.
Larkinhill 10.13.19	It’s in his honorable mentions.
CygnusX1 10.13.19	Hell yeah Unexpect is one of the most interesting and fun bands, wish they still made music
JohnnyoftheWell 10.13.19	I like the headspace that runs through this, good work. You after any recs?
Sinternet 10.13.19	I have a preference for high levels of tonal musicality, creativity and experimentation. I enjoy strong and meaningful lyrics,
TrantaLocked 10.13.19	@JohnnyoftheWell Thanks. Not particularly but if you have anything sure.
JohnnyoftheWell 10.13.19	Mutyumu - Il y a Atheist - Unquestionable Presence Hop Along - Painted Shut The Veils - Nux Vomica Midori - Aratamashite... Isis - Wavering Radiant These should fix you up good. Also I only see one Dillinger Escape Plan album in your ratings - thoughts on them?
TrantaLocked 10.13.19	I'm going to run through their discog a second time soon for the ratings. I really liked Dissociation but the others are mind numbing at times.
MELONADE13 10.13.19	check gulch
JohnnyoftheWell 10.13.19	Hmm Dissociation is pretty good and probably their most immediate, but most of their best work takes some going over
TheClansman95 10.13.19	nandato?
Valzentia 10.13.19	4 is great
sixdegrees 10.13.19	neck
theYearis1999 10.13.19	Very antithetical to what Id have on mine, respect
oltnabrick 10.13.19	gang of crap!
grannypantys 10.14.19	checked out Unexpect thanks to the list. This is some wild stuff. Will jam again.
rellik009 11.18.19	Can you change the title? It's biased. Change it to something like "some great albums", it's a better title. And I disagree with Hypnotize. I think Steal This Album was far better according to SOAD's standards. Also, "high levels of experimentation", "tonal musicality", "creativity" and you only put these albums? You haven't seen even the smallest fraction of the musical world, I'm pretty sure.
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	No I'm just bored by most music. I'm a bit of an addict for a loud and hyper-creative and original type of sound but written and structured very well like a Scorsese movie, and most artists aren't like that enough to interest me past a 3.5 rating. I've listened to a lot of music but don't rate most of it. System is basically peak music for me, but they were on drugs so that helps a bit. Most music has such predictable structure or rehashed tropes I sometimes legitimately feel pain from the boredom (post-hardcore actually gives me headaches). I fucking hate that people legitimately compare via user ratings stuff like Godspeed You to classic bands like Metallica and Queen. Literally progressive-(random noises) with "aTmOsPhEre" and "hEaRt." I only wouldn't hate the situation if people didn't rate F# the same as fucking Rust in Peace, so say 3.6 average for Godspeed's best albums, and I would be fine. How could you possibly compare the creative work (and let's be honest, actual work in general) put into Rust in Peace with random post-rock with edgy atmospheric vibes. I wish I had more of an ear for lyrics or other stuff people like but yeah that's not really me. Just my taste, but yes Steal This Album is very good, it just isn't as emotionally powerful in the twisted ways I like as Hypnotize is.
IAmScott 11.18.19	No, but thank you for reminding me to circle back to Unexpect again Jam some Lightning Bolt - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygBww2ozQIA
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	Unfortunately IAmScott, I can't dig the rest of their discog much. I feel like they evolved into a monster than decided to stop after a few more years of touring. Imagine what they could've done going off that sound and energy.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	I fucking hate that people legitimately compare via user ratings stuff like Godspeed You to classic bands like Metallica and Queen. Literally progressive-(random noises) with "aTmOsPhEre" and "hEaRt. I fucking hate that people legitimately compare via user ratings stuff like Godspeed You to classic bands like Metallica and Queen. Literally progressive-(random noises) with "aTmOsPhEre" and "hEaRt. I fucking hate that people legitimately compare via user ratings stuff like Godspeed You to classic bands like Metallica and Queen. Literally progressive-(random noises) with "aTmOsPhEre" and "hEaRt. I fucking hate that people legitimately compare via user ratings stuff like Godspeed You to classic bands like Metallica and Queen. Literally progressive-(random noises) with "aTmOsPhEre" and "hEaRt.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	sorry we can't all be on the musicality level of avenged sevenfold and metallica, the lamest thrash band to ever exist in the lamest subgenre of metal
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	Yeah, A7X is quite theatrical and it puts a lot of people off. They have more melodic genius than most bands, but apparently not enough edge to make TRUE classics like Godpseed and Swans albums.
StarlessCore 11.18.19	More melodic genius than most bands Go back to melody school you wankstain
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	if by theatrical you mean aggressively shit music for teenagers, methheads, and/or ex-military tough men who got dishonourably discharged and now spend their days beating their wives and carrying assault rifles into walmart in case some punk ghetto kids try to burn a flag or something then, yeah, we're on the same page
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	@StarlessCore When your most listened is Hip-hop and DM and you're trying to pretend like you care about melody. Why are you insulting me anyway?
widowslaugh123 11.18.19	Got em
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	@TrantaLocked When your most listened is Metalcore and you're trying to pretend like you care about melody.
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	Yeah man why don't you look at the metalcore albums I actually have highly rated. If Paralax II and Axe to Fall aren't substantive you clearly will never understand. I don't care about bargain bin metalcore. Hip-hop is about lyrics and atmosphere/vibe. It has melody but isn't primarily about the melody.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	i don't think you have a clue about melody homie but sure go off. the rest of this site collectively gains iq points in comparison with each comment you make
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	You not only don't know what you're talking about but are arrogant about it. You think I don't know what melody is? Just stop commenting and rethink what you know. https://www.google.com/search?q=melody&oq=melody&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 So what do you think melody is if you really want to continue this?
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	please explain the enhanced big brain melodies of avenged sevenfold then professor
rellik009 11.18.19	Trantalocked you are by far the stupidest person I ever met. No seriously I never thought it'd be possible to be this stupid and shallow-minded.
widowslaugh123 11.18.19	Tranta have a beer and stop taking yourself so seriously
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	Wtf are you talking about rellik009? Now you're resorting to insults too?
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	wow you linked a google definition of melody? truly we are dealing with a genius
Yotimi 11.18.19	This is some sneaky trolling
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	@808thebassqueen oh wow linking a google search means that's all I think melody is encompassed by! Also using the word genius certainly means there aren't other types of genius, or what I think A7X is absolutely genius in every way imaginable. I respect what good hip-hop artists do because it's creative and they put hard work into their craft, I just don't favor the genre much. Stop being an asshole and assuming/projecting.
Yotimi 11.18.19	You're good man. Got most of us fooled
JohnnyoftheWell 11.18.19	The irony that pretty much every A7X lead worth remembering is harmonised
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	he still hasn't explained how avenged sevenfold are melodically interesting. dense kids goddamn
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	Pretty hard poisoning the well there. Harmonizing melodies doesn't change the core melody. @808thebassqueen I don't really need do. I think their melodies are powerful and unique and don't follow the tropes you tend to hear from mainstream rock bands. If you don't understand why it's interesting, I guess that's fine.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	explain how then when you say shit like "They have more melodic genius than most bands," and then fail to back it up you look like a retard
Yotimi 11.18.19	They also sing their melodies through their nose which is pretty unique
JohnnyoftheWell 11.18.19	No but 'core melody' is a bit of a misleading term since each half of the harmony tends to have parity of prominence and the overall sound of the two technically isn't a melody. Wouldn't normally get all pedantic, but since we're in Google definition territory ;] You ever jam that Mutyumu album btw? It's not so much my spice, but that shit is basically Unexpect + a small portion of ritalin
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	lol thats insulting to actually good nasally singers
widowslaugh123 11.18.19	Are you autistic?
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	@808thebassqueen Dude do you really go through your whole life insulting people the second there's a conflict? I can't explain in words what makes a melody interesting, but their music has a lot of unique writing that invokes feelings I don't usually get from other music. I'm done talking to you though. You actually think you can make up your own stupid rules for what constitutes someone being a retard and then insult them over a petty argument like this, jesus. @JohnnyoftheWell Then it should have been clear that I wasn't being perfect in semantics. I could have said "sounds" or "notes" in place of melodies, and it should be clear especially based on my OP that I'm referring to combinations of notes. Whether it be a literal melody or not.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	feelings like hating your mom and being grounded? what 'unique' writing do they have that every other mediocre mainstream 2000s hard rock band didn't?
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	Looks like I'm back to replying to you. You are a psychopath, unironically. I hope your next anger outburst leads to you in the hospital and paralyzed.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	you're coming off slightly unhinged. not unusual for someone who thinks avenged sevenfold and linkin park are the peak of musicality, but still a fairly unwelcoming demeanor
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	Peak music for me, as I said. You've probably used every logical fallacy there is at this point. I understand what people value in other music I think less of, so for that I will partially apologize for shit talking post- genres even though I still think expressing myself in some way there wasn't completely wrong in my own damn thread. I vaguely understand why you enjoy hip-hop so much, but that doesn't mean I can experience the deep connection you have with it. You like creativity in vocab, logic and symbols, so you lean on the more mechanical side of music. That's fine.
CalculatingInfinity 11.18.19	Damn to rattle you up is way too easy.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	easy bro sm0k some big weed and calm down. maybe in the future you should articulate your points in terms and concepts you actually understand
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	@CalculatingInfinity Being a savant failure means insults hurt me. Easy target for psychos and socios. @808thebassqueen Or you could attempt to understand them in the way they clearly were meant by me in context.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	misuses terms and concepts oh bro haha you should understand that when i say these things i mean something not even tangentially related, feel dumb now?
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	You're referring to the melody thing right? You're just trolling if you think the word melody was a poor choice for what I was describing.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	you still haven't explained how any of their melodic side is genius or unique or whatever you were talking about, so until you articulate that point any understanding you think you may have is null and void. oplease, explain how avenged sevenfold are that much more melodically interesting than other bands
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	Reminds me of someone I work with. He was getting super bent out when I tried to point out that 16x9 is technically a ratio in that it represents the 16:9 aspect ratio, but because he's from the movie industry, 16x9 is apparently ONLY a "format" and not a ratio, and then there are other ratios you can take from the original format. He took a while trying to explain bullshit that we both already understood because he couldn't understand what words mean outside the context of his own specialization. He couldn't empathize with someone who's vocab isn't from the industry but from generally using monitors/tvs and watching media. You're the same. You can't understand the words people use and what they actually mean when they say them.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	my man this is a lame attempt at avoiding actually articulating anything you say. if you understand what melody is, and you think avenged sevenfold are way more melodically interesting than other bands, you should have no problem explaining why thats the case. go on, enlighten everyone
CalculatingInfinity 11.18.19	Do you realise how calling yourself a savant failure and branding others as psychos unironically makes you look worse and saying insults hurt you is gonna open you up for more trolling right?
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	They're more melodically interesting because they attempt to write melodies that are genuinely original and don't heavily call back to already existing music. Also, melodies that don't sound like someone just took whatever was off the top of their head daydreaming on the toilet but instead took a lot of time to make the most interesting melodies possible. To do this consistently and often usually requires,...no..impossible...melodic genius. Or do you prefer the word "skill" over genius? Are they fucking kendrick lamar or dr dre? No, of course not. Stop taking my praise of A7X as an insult to all of music as a whole.
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	@CalculatingInfinity Of course. I don't fucking care, because what I'm saying to 808 is true regardless of who I am otherwise. There is a legit chance he's a psychopath but there are plenty of people who tend to be unempathetic and troll especially to emotional people. It's pretty much 4chan vs tumblr. Some people just don't care about feelings to a large extent. Let's be honest though. Hip-hop = mechanical thinker. Death Metal also means that, but Death Metal is quite extreme and could be an outlet for psychopaths/sociopaths. I can understand a regular person appreciating DM. I can even appreciate it here and there. But unironically connecting with the themes and extremity of DM is very uncommon and possibly a sign of something else. Top #2 DM. Pretty sure 808 is just an unempathetic troll here, could be pyscho, who knows.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	"they attempt to write melodies that are genuinely original" what is genuinely original about them "don't heavily call back to already existing music" the western musical canon has existed for 500 years, if you think there are melodies out there that are that differentiated from anything else existing I encourage you to submit this analysis to academia
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	"Also, melodies that don't sound like someone just took whatever was off the top of their head daydreaming on the toilet" i would like an example of a song that you think does this "but instead took a lot of time to make the most interesting melodies possible." link me one of their songs that you think is interesting "Are they fucking kendrick lamar or dr dre? No, of course not." i'm not even sure what this is referring to
CalculatingInfinity 11.18.19	Alright then armchair psychologist, then you deserve what you get.
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	@808thebassqueen As in, is A7X as genius in the presentation of ideas and vocabulary as the top half of hip-hop artists? Fuck no. Uh ok. Just take any song from Circa Survive's Blue Sky Noise, my lowest rated album. To me it's just a glorified radio rock album. The entire style, from the instrumentals to vocals, is so overused in music. I kind of have to admit I rated it so lowly because I disliked the site liking it so much but still my opinion stands for the most part. It probably goes in my 2.5 stack though, so you could take anything from Asking Alexandria's newest album and anything there is pretty bad for me. Best song? Take Unfed Pendulum by Unexpect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CgLBeWeL-4
JohnnyoftheWell 11.18.19	"I can understand a regular person appreciating DM. I can even appreciate it here and there. But unironically connecting with the themes and extremity of DM is very uncommon and possibly a sign of something else. Top #2 DM." This is on the same level as black metal fans who enjoy NSBM bands but are completely disengaged from its political content i would like an example of a song that you think does this [2] "They're more melodically interesting because they attempt to write melodies that are genuinely original and don't heavily call back to already existing music." I'm still partial to A7X on occasion, but you'll have a very hard time defending any of their sound as entirely original. City of Evil and the s/t are basically pastiche records
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	@JohnnyoftheWell I even say myself that A7X is just better Dream Theater with more theatrical vocals. But that still means they're pretty good...for me.
DarkSideOfLucca 11.18.19	"Let's be honest though. Hip-hop = mechanical thinker. Death Metal also means that, but Death Metal is quite extreme and could be an outlet for psychopaths/sociopaths." What in the actual fuck did I just read. And also another "what the fuck did I just read" for that paragraph about fucking ratios. Like whatever you like dude, but holy shit, there were some strikingly stupid comments in this thread.
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	@DarkSideOfLucca What issue do you have about the ratios?
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	i asked for an avenged sevenfold song, not a random unexpect song, considering thats who we're talking about also interesting too see that "melodies that don't sound like someone just took whatever was off the top of their head daydreaming on the toilet" is apparently codeword for "a glorified radio rock album. The entire style, from the instrumentals to vocals, is so overused in music." interesting to see an a7x fan complaingng about glorified radio rock, although maybe they missed out on the glorified part
DarkSideOfLucca 11.18.19	Nothing logistically, it was just an overly obnoxious analogy to make your point. Going back to the death metal thing, though - are you also one of those people who think that people who love violent video games and horror movies are sociopaths/psychopaths? Because that's how fucking stupid that comment was.
JohnnyoftheWell 11.18.19	"Just take any song from Circa Survive's Blue Sky Noise, my lowest rated album. To me it's just a glorified radio rock album. The entire style, from the instrumentals to vocals, is so overused in music." Nothing wrong with radio rock done right tbh. Just jammed Get Out from that album and most of the melody in the vocal track, which is more focused on timbre for the most part. Song is all about rhythm for the most part, so weird pick as a counter-example. Quite enjoyed it tbh, might check the album
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	circa survive are pre sweet johnny you might dig, on letting go is personally my fave.
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	@808thebassqueen Even though it's not even close to my favorite, Bat Country is a good example of what sets A7X apart. So just listen to Bat Country or most of City of Evil, or Remenissions or Chapter Four from Waking the Fallen. I could link newer stuff too if you want. @DarkSideOfLucca No which is why I said regular people can appreciate it. I should clarify my main point which is that primarily mechanical/logical thinkers would prefer DM over something like pop-punk, which is more emotional. Also just realized you were the Hip-hop #1 and not 808. Fuck man, sorry about that.
JohnnyoftheWell 11.18.19	Feel like I should have had a phase with them way back, when Thrice and Thursday were still my top jams - I'll check :]
JohnnyoftheWell 11.18.19	Bat Country is a cool song but its whole point was to do what literally hundreds of bands have already done (and will continue to do) and give it a fresh coat of paint.
veninblazer 11.18.19	what the hell happened here
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	If we can't agree on Bat Country being a unique song I don't think we can understand each other here. I'm not even defending the song but the vocal style combined with the guitar work is really not a common thing in music.
Valzentia 11.18.19	the act > bat country
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	I don't even care that's bait. The Act is fucking dog shit wankery For me.
Valzentia 11.18.19	look I agree with a lot of your opinions but if you think Bat Country is unique in any way you're kidding yourself
Valzentia 11.18.19	also The Act is a bloody masterpiece
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	Emphasis on bloody. Ears.
JohnnyoftheWell 11.18.19	"I'm not even defending the song but the vocal style combined with the guitar work is really not a common thing in music." Given that that combination is basically a meaner version of Paradise City (itself far from original) with harmonies in 3rds, the harmonic minor key and shitton of energy thrown in, it might actually benefit you to jam more radio rock ;]
veninblazer 11.18.19	I'm the Deathbat here. Bat Country is not unique. It's one of their worst songs.
JohnnyoftheWell 11.18.19	So many hot takes itt I can't deal at this point
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	@JohnnyoftheWell Guns N' Roses are just Bach with vocals. @veninblazer You CoE is at 2.5. You betrayed me man, where'd you get that Deathbat patch? Anyone sees you wearing that around here and they find out you don't like City of Evil you're gonna get shrieked at.
JohnnyoftheWell 11.18.19	I think we're done here. Jam Mutyumu.
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	I already did, it's decent. I think I need to re-emphasize I'm an addict for loud energetic music. Maybe a victim to the loudness wars?
veninblazer 11.18.19	City of Evil's issue is that a ton of it literally sounds like a modern recreation of a Guns n Roses album. and GnR fucking suck.
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	GnR is more like a classic hair metal with a tad of cheesiness, and A7X isn't as repetitive as GnR. Is that where you're getting the comparison from, the cheesy vocals? M Shadows may be cheesy but in a far different way. I see A7X more as a band trying to channel Dream Theater and Metallica (kind of, mostly in Hail to the King) into a more digestible and emotional form. Short and sweeter version basically. But yeah, I can't think of a closer band in terms of guitar than Dream Theater. In terms of vocals, maybe GnR isn't a super off comparison but still I can't think of anyone who does vocals like M Shadows, both in style/form and in the mElOdIeS he writes.
rellik009 11.18.19	TrantaLocked no band is being compared. Pull your head out of your ass. They're being judged for their quality, and nothing else. Are they not allowed to have classics of their own or be good in general? Are your bands not allowed to be shit? That goes to show you are so utterly ignorant, biased, lacking in constructiveness, lacking in objectivity, lacking in adaptability and so shallow-minded you come across as nothing else than a troll. And somehow A7X gets a pass even though they have clear fucking flaws.
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	"TrantaLocked no band is being compared." What? What is "Given that that combination is basically a meaner version of Paradise City" supposed to be then? "They're being judged for their quality, and nothing else" Stop trolling. "Are your bands not allowed to be shit?" If you mean are other people allowed to think my favorite bands are shit, yes they're allowed lmfao. "That goes to show you are so utterly ignorant, biased, lacking in constructiveness, lacking in objectivity, and so shallow-minded you come across as nothing else than a troll." Who's the fucking troll here dude. Am I not allowed to defend A7X? Why are you being so shallow and unconstructive as to not allow me to talk about bands? "And somehow A7X gets a pass even though they have clear fucking flaws." A7X isn't even on my list here. I only have Waking the Fallen 5d, and thats one of my worst 5s. It's partially nostalgia. I will not defend A7X as some kind of god hybrid metal band. The original point was to show 808 what I thought constituted a unique song with interesting/creative melodies. But apparently Bat Country is just pointless when you could listen to GnR.
undertakerpt 11.18.19	Interesting list
rellik009 11.18.19	TrantaLocked 1) Comparison of quality is what I meant you complete idiot. Paradise City is less mean than some other band, does it make them any lesser? 2)I'm not trolling, you fucking idiot, it's literally the point of this site. You're supposed to judge a band's quality without having any retarded biases, a.k.a. by being constructive and open-minded. 3) Fair enough. Remember objectivity can be approached though. 4) You're the troll, for all the reasons listed in the quote(additionally a couple others consider you a troll here), and because of how you are literally asking for an argument with that title. If you are so unaware of how you are this way otherwise, then I cannot really help you. Your obvious baits coupled with your shit, low-effort posts really transform you into a troll. 5) Okay, sure, but there are numerous other components to that argument regardless.
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	1) OF QUALITY? I was disagreeing that Bat Country was derivative of Paradise City, and maybe some of my later comments involved opinions on quality. The original bit wasn't about a comparison of quality, but about what it literally was. Just because it was all in the same comment, that's too much for you? 2) You're actually an idiot calling someone else an idiot. Holy shit. The point of a WEB SITE is whatever the people on it want to fucking do you close-minded retard. By the way, this turned into a shit show once people started insulting me personally. You don't insult people over this shit, but I'm insulting you because you did so and deserve to be called out. I didn't start this shit, I guess people decided that me letting out my anger on post-hardcore = everyone starts trolling me.
widowslaugh123 11.18.19	I 5’d this thread
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	I am completely fine with constructive discussion as long as there are no personal insults involved. Once that happens, one no longer deserves anything to go their way in a discussion no matter where or how. I didn't intend to troll here (besides a few jokes inserted) but if anyone felt trolled and they insulted me, I hope I made your day worse.
rellik009 11.18.19	1)Whatever. 2)Oh sorry, TrantaLocked, this is totally not a reviewing website. My bad. No really. 3)I insulted you, sorry, but I just can't believe there are legitimately such statements written online. Don't go deeply into a certain subject if you're not very knowledgeable or constructive.
Space Jester 11.18.19	Whoa what’s wrong with post-hardcore
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	constructive discussion like "I fucking hate that people legitimately compare via user ratings stuff like Godspeed You to classic bands like Metallica and Queen. Literally progressive-(random noises) with "aTmOsPhEre" and "hEaRt."
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	Yes the website heavily involves reviewing of music, but also commenting and rating and so on. What exactly did I do wrong then? I was for the most part being quite constructive here, and insulting the trolls who already had been insulting me. Including you. So tell me then, what about what i did does not fit what happens on this website? I wasn't really even defending the bands I like, but moreso trying to explain the unique aspects of them that I think are standout, qualities that many users here may not understand. @808thebassqueen There are many highly rated post/noise albums that genuinely don't sound like they took even half the creative effort of some other higher rated albums. And not just metal, all genres. Godspeed you is basically just a movie-soundtrack band, and people are rating them 5. Pretty much anyone could make a post-rock album to today's standard, but only a small amount can make a production like Rust in Peace which takes incredibly proficient instrumental and vocal skill. Sure, maybe people like it enough to 5 it, but to me it's like 5ing a video of paint drying because of the images paint invokes in you the feeling of peace or something.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	us plebeians cannot hope to understand the genius of... uhh... bat country
rellik009 11.18.19	Oh no, you totally didn't try to compare Metallica to Godspeed with completely bullshit arguments and flawed, shallow thinking. Seriously? You can do better than that. 808thebassqueen says it best: 'constructive discussion like "I fucking hate that people legitimately compare via user ratings stuff like Godspeed You to classic bands like Metallica and Queen. Literally progressive-(random noises) with "aTmOsPhEre" and "hEaRt."'
rellik009 11.18.19	Bat Country is a good pop metal song, I'll give you that. Now is it a good song in general? Not really. And we're not trying to troll. We're trying to reason with you. With flawed methods, yes, but hey shush.
Madbutcher3 11.18.19	trantalocked i understand your frustrations and i don't like post rock either but that doesn't make it a shitty genre or that godspeed haven't made some of the best albums of all time. i'm not a hip hop head and i don't like illmatic that much but i've got the self awareness that that's down to me and not the album. also no offense but something like a7x is pretty much just modern hard rock mixed with at the gates worship, there are about ten thousand bands with the same sound and many do it better. i don't even think they're a bad band but there is obviously so much more out there and stuff which is more interesting. for some recs for interesting melodic/harmonic stuff, try some allan holdsworth stuff, esp. UK and I.O.U. big props for putting Unexpect here though they are very cool
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	Really though, is the average post-rock album not something pretty much anyone with a macbook and internet could make? That's really why I'm angry about it. It's actually not even unpleasing music. It's peaceful. But it makes me angry people compare the effort of that to the highest produced music. So again, I actually find post-rock peaceful and pleasant, I just can't stand it being rated at the same level as music that had 10x the effort and creativity put into it. Why do people need to rate Godspeed You 5? Maybe peace is something some people just can't get, and post-rock is so important for them. I legit would listen to post rock more often if I didn't know people worship it like it's the end all.
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	@808thebassqueen memes...find a way
CalculatingInfinity 11.18.19	"Pretty much anyone could make a post-rock album to today's standard, but only a small amount can make a production like Rust in Peace which takes incredibly proficient instrumental and vocal skill." Skill to craft has little to no bearing whether a piece of art should be held in higher regard to another piece of work within the same medium, it just gives you a greater palette of tools to work with or ideas to execute. There's so many other variables to consider other than that. Postmodernism is the way to go.
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	So the answer is some people value peace in music more than I do. You could say peace sells, and sputnik is buying.
Intothepit 11.18.19	Wait wait wait wait... Just wait.... "They're more melodically interesting because they attempt to write melodies that are genuinely original and don't heavily call back to already existing music." This has to be one of the most idiotic statements I have ever read on this site. What makes it even worse is a few comments later, you try and clarify this statement by completely contradicting it by stating that they're trying to "channel Metallica and Dream Theater into a more digestible and emotional form.". First of all, there isn't a single album from A7X that is proggy enough to "channel Dream Theater." Secondly, do you even really know what you're saying? Either you've resorted to trolling this website, or you're still the same emotionally stunted mental midget you were 9 years ago when you joined.
CalculatingInfinity 11.18.19	"So the answer is some people value peace in music more than I do." ...no? The same applies for the opposite of peace. You can say A7X/Unexpect are far more talented than Jig-Ai for example yet if there's a ticket to see a choice of them in town it's the latter who'd get my money to see.
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	@Intothepit Did I not say more digestible? Yes, A7X is like a NON PROG version of the heavy version of Dream Theater. The guitar work from Syn is often VERY similar to Dream Theaters stuff especially from 6 degrees/Train of Thought/Oct/etc. He really sounds like he's trying to copy a lot of the Dream Theater guitar style. Then add that both vocalists are going for a bit of a theatrical cheesy type thing and they end up sounding similar in a lot of ways, just way more digestible and emotional on A7Xs side. More insults. Good job. Also, you're not frankredhot are you?
JohnnyoftheWell 11.18.19	Post rock is the genre of dynamics. Sure there's legions of copy/paste loud/quiet bands that have run it into the ground somewhat, but the best in the game play with a focus, precision and subtlety that few bands can match. It takes excellent songwriting to pull minimalist compositions off with maximalist scope à la Godspeed, but that's only half the story. The most interesting post rock bands (Bark Psychosis, Tortoise, Slint, Toe, Do Make Say Think, Talk Talk etc) aren't nearly as brash and write/play with almost opaque levels of nuance. Their work is also largely not about 'peace' and a lot about understated intrigue.
JohnnyoftheWell 11.18.19	Also pretty sure minor chord sweeps were a thing way before John Petrucci laid down the gauntlet in The Glass Prison
Intothepit 11.18.19	You basically said the band did things no one else did, and now you're coming back around to say they are basically copying Dream Theater? Do you have any idea how fucking dumb you sound? Any self-awareness whatsoever? Listen to some Snapcase. It could do you some good.
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	@CalculatingInfinity As follows that people like what they like, but I was referring specifically to post-rock and why people like it so much.
ArsMoriendi 11.18.19	Why did you pick the worst SoaD album?
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	@Intothepit Are you fucking frankredhot or not? Do you know that name? Yes, A7X does a lot that is unique, but a lot of what they do does come from Dream Theater. They just do what Dream Theater sometimes does (riffing) but even better and does it for every song instead of for a third of an 1.5 hour long album. And A7Xs vocals take a lot less than the guitar work, and the vocals are half of why I even love A7X. None of what I've said meant that A7X is a copy paste of Dream Theater. I'm not contradicting myself, but you sure as hell are jumping the gun insulting people on false accusations.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	bro you have to have been dropped down multiple staircases as a child to write this kind of shit girl i know back homes a psychology grad i could send her a link to this thread and she'd ace her PhD using you as a case study
JohnnyoftheWell 11.18.19	Kudos to Ars for asking the questions that matter
CalculatingInfinity 11.18.19	Your dunking on post rock is just an example of the core root of the problem. "There are many highly rated post/noise albums that genuinely don't sound like they took even half the creative effort of some other higher rated albums." "I just can't stand it being rated at the same level as music that had 10x the effort and creativity put into it." You can copy paste post rock with any genre and these comments wouldn't be more poorly thought out, the very thought process is the problem.
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	@808thebassqueen The fact that you rated Rust in Peace 2.0 just because you think you're some kind of devious troll trying to piss off poor little TrantaLocked is all you need to completely invalidate anything you've said here, 808. No one who cares what they write does that, ever. @CalculatingInfinity Objectively untrue, don't have the time to debate that.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	i rated it 2 because it sucks ass and thrash is a shit genre but go off on one with a victim complex because you look like a retard to everyone
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	It's literally your most recent rating and was made during this conversation. I didn't randomly remind you to go rate Rust in Peace you piece of shit.
JohnnyoftheWell 11.18.19	"You can copy paste post rock with any genre and these comments wouldn't be more poorly thought out, the very thought process is the problem." This. You (Tranta lol not Calc ;]) have a fixation on melody/harmony (and I guess technical execution thereof) and don't seem to engage with dynamics or timbre the same way. That's cool, no use being prescriptive about what parts of music matter the most, but by the same token it leaves you with a pretty narrow perspective if that's all you base your judgements on.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	you helpfully reminded me it sucked so thanks about your only worthwhile contribution so far
rellik009 11.18.19	Oooh, I get it now. No, skill is not a very reliable factor in order to determine the quality of a craft. Rather, the factors related strictly to the craft(musicality) and the aesthetic/musical territory the musical style attempts to explore. Effort can come in various ways in order to create music, by the way, so your logic and thinking is flawed in yet another way, but whatever. Additionally, if we start to tread on the path of technicality, many of what you listen to would be invalidated. "Symphony of Destruction", for instance, has an easy main riff, and Rust in Peace has a couple of easy riffs in it as well. However, what makes the song and the album I mentioned good is the quality of their crafting, and their musicality, in relation to the style in which Megadeth plays. I excuse for any insults uttered by my person. Truly a shame I reacted so harshly.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	he doesn't understand what melody or harmony are anyway so i wouldn't try to reason with him on those grounds
rellik009 11.18.19	808thebassqueen you're funny but not very intelligent. Tranta may be a troll, but you can fuck off as well.
CalculatingInfinity 11.18.19	Yet you've had time to type all these comments? Seems like it's more you don't want to or can't rather than you don't have the time. You're reaching Ben Shapiro levels of 'musical authority figure' my dude. If you define 'quality' by one or a few metrics in music where so many variables such as culture, dynamics or minimalist soundscapes to match lyrical themes then your very criteria of assessing the 'quality' of music is flawed.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	ok thanks user no one has ever heard of
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	Of course I know what they mean. It's funny because I was poisoned in the well with the comment about melody vs harmony. It's completely valid to use the word melody, but maudlin just wanted to meme me. Yes, bands use all types of whatever the fuck it is they want to. If they want to harmonize fine, or TECHNICALLY use a "pure" melody, fine. The difference doesn't matter in THIS context even though I wasn't even confusing what melodies were in the first place. Maudlin literally just assumed I was confusing it. A harmony is literally just a complex melody anyway, who fucking cares. It's like saying a shake isn't a drink. Even if I NEVER call shakes a drink, IF I happen to in any convo, and you start insulting me over it, you're a piece of shit.
Intothepit 11.18.19	"Yes, A7X does a lot that is unique, but a lot of what they do does come from Dream Theater. They just do what Dream Theater sometimes does (riffing) but even better and does it for every song instead of for a third of an 1.5 hour long album. And A7Xs vocals take a lot less than the guitar work, and the vocals are half of why I even love A7X. None of what I've said meant that A7X is a copy paste of Dream Theater. I'm not contradicting myself, but you sure as hell are jumping the gun insulting people on false accusations" I'm not making false accusations lol. I'm taking YOUR statements and pointing out the errors and stupidity within them. These are things that YOU said, not anyone else. By the way, A7X is one of the most derivative bands in the mainstream. Using them as an example to dump on another genre probably wasn't your best idea. And yes, that was one of my usernames from forever ago. Kind of irrelevant, but sure, that was me
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	Oh no it's completely relevant. You're the most close-minded pos on the website. Every thing you've ever said to me was IMAGINING AND PROJECTING FALSE THINGS ABOUT WHAT YOU THOUGHT I BELIEVED. YOU ARE LITERALLY INSANE. AND PROBABLY A PSYCHOPATH. You couldn't even recommend review websites because you said "I'm not doing your work for you" when all I asked for was a fucking URL. You are actually a garbage human being. None of what you or 808 have said here has any merit.
rellik009 11.18.19	TrantaLocked if his accusations of you being a troll are true, then I'd believe him You being mentally unstable, I'd believe it. You're completely overreacting by telling him he is a garbage human being. Just because he doesn't want to give you a "fucking URL" doesn't mean he's the new fucking Kim Jong Un. 808thebassqueen funnily enough, CalculatingInfinity has done far more album ratings than you did, and maybe the objectivity of Calc is not the same, but regardless of this, you are less prominent in this community. You probably haven't written a review yet.
Intothepit 11.18.19	No, actually, it was completely irrelevant until now when I realized you are still holding onto a resentment on the internet for over 6 years. Lol I'm the insane one? Ok buddy. Lol. Wow.
Intothepit 11.18.19	Holy hell, this dude is legit crazy.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	assuming this is my main is a big mistake, regardless im chill with you for now good to know though that trantalocked is able to diagnose everyone here as a psychopath and not at all revealing of a low mental fortitude and inability to accept defeat
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	@Intothepit Yeah you know why? Because it was a textbook case of me meeting a psychopath going all out insulting someone who had just started getting into different genres of music. Usually I just pass by them, but you took the time to respond to everything with pure hate and delusion. Why wouldn't I remember that? You're memorable in the worst fucking way possible. BTBAM incorporates some death metal here and there into their music, particularly in their older stuff. Fuck you.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	pure hate like shitposting your dumb comments what is this shit? is it computer time at the nursery?
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	@808thebassqueen Go check out Lil Yachty man I think his troll level suits you well.
Intothepit 11.18.19	Dude, see a therapist. Seriously. You've been mad about something that happened over 6 years ago on the internet. You're upset about someone you never met insulting you, and it's been over half of a decade. Get help, buddy. I'd give you some websites to do some research on mental health and how to find help, but I'm not going to do your work for you.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	yachty sucks these days but some of his early shit unironically slaps harder than anything a7x have ever done
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	@Intothepit Not really mad the whole time, just the memory popped up once I realized who you were, and yes it's a bad memory. Why would I not be upset? I don't excuse assholes for what they do just because they did it to me 6 years ago. You do this to people often no doubt, obviously I'm not going to let you slide like you're a regular person and it's just all fine. And yes I have met you, on the internet. You're another one of those assholes that thinks it "doesn't count" just because you're not in front of me. @808 Oh I agree, yacthy is my favorite artist. I don't rate him because you can't rate 11/10 yet.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	6 year grudges over a random discussion on a music forum lmao please get some help
Intothepit 11.18.19	Get some help, Tranta. I'm sure it's not too late
CalculatingInfinity 11.18.19	I don't think you should be on this site if you're actually upset by this, and I'm not trying to troll you. I sincerely mean this. You should not be upset because if you get upset by every mean thing anyone has said about you then become a worse person, this thread hasn't made you look good.
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	Sociopath logic: If 1 ("normal"): Asshole If 2 ("feel bad for human"): Get help All you pieces of shit can ever say when you meet someone with feelings is get help once you realize you've gone too far. Did you not consider that half of what you say is going too far and that you actually piss of WAY more people than you realize?
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	All you pieces of shit can ever say when you meet someone with feelings is get help once you realize you've gone too far. Did you not consider that half of what you say is going to far and that you actually piss of WAY more people than you realize?
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	Ah, back to condition 1 again. OK Computer.
rellik009 11.18.19	Tranta wanna know something? Don't expect to be taken seriously when you bait people. Otherwise, sorry if the guy traumatized you, even if it was over dumb comments. I can understand that was a particularly trying experience, and I'm sorry to have been equally harsh today. But it's the Internet man, it's a scary place when going on more social-based places, unless you learn to have resistance. Go on trash talk based communities to acquire resistance, if you want. Remember to dissociate people from things such as objects, fashions, subjects, etc... I say this for obvious reasons.
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	All you pieces of shit can ever say when you meet someone with feelings is get help once you realize you've gone too far. Did you not consider that half of what you say is going to far and that you actually piss of WAY more people than you realize?
Intothepit 11.18.19	Dude, you still haven't learned a thing about the internet, have you? It's been around for decades and you're still letting people on the internet upset you.
Yotimi 11.18.19	Dude's been trolling for 6 years? Gotta hand it to this guy, that's some dedication
Intothepit 11.18.19	I don't think he's trolling, Yotimi. Trolls don't remember someone who upset them over 6 years ago on the internet.
TrantaLocked 11.18.19	This is like the anime Batman Begins when after years, Ras Al Gul finally returns for his vengeance against Bruce Wayne just when you thought your paths had been permanently separated. He wants to destroy sputnikmusic because all of the idiots there don't deserve their forsaken lives, but Bruce "TrantaLocked" Wayne pulls out the BTBAM IS DEATH METAL power move and 619s Intothepit back to hell.
Yotimi 11.18.19	I knew I was right
Madbutcher3 11.18.19	btbam isn't death metal also a7x doesn't sound like dream theater really beyond the general alt-metal vibe that invaded dream theaters music after falling into infinity
Intothepit 11.18.19	Sad thing I still don't think he's trolling...
Madbutcher3 11.18.19	also it's worth noting that this sort of "gatekeeping" of music effort or technicality required for something to be considered a great piece of art is literally meaningless. Many of the most technical and most difficult to perform pieces of music are garbage, it is a useless metric for discussing musical quality beyond a very basic level
widowslaugh123 11.18.19	Damn legendary troll
808thebassqueen 11.18.19	no one who sits on an account this long with 2k comments is a troll
widowslaugh123 11.18.19	That’s why it’s so legendary bro
sixdegrees 11.19.19	neck
oltnabrick 11.19.19	what a list
Valzentia 11.19.19	All you pieces of shit can ever say when you meet someone with feelings is get help once you realize you've gone too far. Did you not consider that half of what you say is going too far and that you actually piss of WAY more people than you realize?
TrantaLocked 11.19.19	@Madbutcher3 I actually very strongly disagree but it's a bit more grey than that. You might be put off by some of what I initially say but hopefully you can hear me out to the end because this will be long. I don't mean that the skill required to make the music necessarily is the only reason to judge the quality, but that it tends to be the two are strongly positively correlated in how good the music is. When I listen to an album and imagine what kind of work went into its creation, that strongly influences how I think of the artists who made it and in turn how I will judge their creation. Yes, I inherently prefer rewarding artists who put more work into their craft with praise. But beyond that, I'm usually just not as interested in music that had less mental or physical effort go into it. The less effort put into music, the less likely it has anything that's truly outstanding or unique. I genuinely believe most of Godspeed You! is some of the most uninspired, basic sound that anyone could easily imagine., but that still doesn't make it bad, just not 5/5. Anyone can make progressive-atmosphere and have things build up slowly over 25 minutes while playing random notes on a guitar and keyboard with effects on it. Relying on it for your sound while neglecting other aspects doesn't make your album a classic, it just makes it descent background sleep music. So in the end the effort thing is two things: one side is I really dislike it when lower effort music gets overrated, and two is that music with high effort tends to be better to my ears anyway. Godspeed You! is actually a 3.5 average band, making them completely listenable, but so many people think that their edgy atmospheric sound is super unique and special or deserving of the highest praise. There is very little actual song writing there, atmosphere is easy as fuck to make and requires no special talent or creativity. I don't believe the cream of the crop metal or hip-hop is inevitable, but post-rock is inevitable in that it's a reflection of basic human consciousness expressed in a most basic form. There are dozens of millions of people who were eventually going to make post-rock because of how easy it is. It's why movie sound tracks are basically "post-rock." Post-rock bands are just making movie sound tracks purely for the music listening market. I don't want to gatekeep. I think it's fine people enjoy post-rock. But hopefully this has explained why the one thing that truly pisses me off is average post-rock getting rated the same as the greatest productions of our time. Marshall Mathers LP, And Justice For All, Rust in Peace, Catch-Thirty-Three, Jane Doe, etc. That's a metal biased list and there are plenty of other masterpieces on the market.
Josh D. 11.19.19	"genuinely believe most of Godspeed You! is some of the most uninspired, basic sound that anyone could easily imagine. Anyone can make progressive-atmosphere and have things build up slowly over 25 minutes while playing random notes on a guitar and keyboard with effects on it. " Please make an album of what you think GYBE does so we can laugh at it.
TrantaLocked 11.19.19	A lot of it is bandwagon mentality. You could make something 99% the same quality level as Skinny Fists but get 3.2'd just because you aren't the OG GOD band Godspeed You!. There are just certain bands that got there first and thus get all the praise. Maybe it was kind of innovative at first, but now its just...there. But yes, I could quit my job and take some time to make a decent post-rock album more easily than making a truly interesting metal album. All I need to do is plan the atmospheres I want to mimic and do the whole mental edging thing those bands do and I'm set. I wouldn't do it though because I don't really make music, I confess I tend to consume media far more than create it. I will adjust slightly and say post-rock isn't absolutely LOW effort, but relatively lower effort when you compare a 4.5 post-rock album next to a 4.5 anything else. Yeah, it takes time and patience do get your vibes and timing all correct in a post-rock album. It isn't completely brainless. That's why I still think post-rock usually deserves decent ratings and praise, just not classic 5/5 level praise.
Josh D. 11.19.19	I love planning atmospheres.
Demon of the Fall 11.19.19	I would absolutely love to hear Tranta's take on DJ Shadow's 'Endtroducing'. Thread gave me the stupids.
Josh D. 11.19.19	"I don't really make music, but here's exactly what a band is doing that anyone can do"
TrantaLocked 11.19.19	@Josh D. Yeah man, what shall we do for our next album. The year is 2160. Track one will be walking along the shoreline on a stormy post-apocalyptic Santa Monica day. Lot's of windy and rainy sounds and vibes. Track two is the rumbly and bumpy road back to camp in a large jeep while getting chased by lions. Very drum-heavy track here with random animal growling and human screaming. Track three is me sitting in my bed reflecting on my day hoping that one day Alex will finally return from his months-long trek to Texas with good news of a new community base we can move to. Lot's of slow violin and random boops and bops. Track four is the party we have the next morning after we find a cache of booze at an abandoned 7-11. Super uplifting riffing and drum work as it slowly slows to a halt after the allotted 25 minute timeframe as we all get knocked out drunk.
Josh D. 11.19.19	alright
TrantaLocked 11.19.19	@Demon of the Fall Ah, back when I listened to the entirety of sputnikmusic's best albums of all time list, that did get listened to. Listening again now and it's a pretty good rec. Really good production and free flowing stuff. Dare I say this is post-hip-hop? Has music gone too far?
dedex 11.19.19	One thing I don't understand is: why do you care if it's low effort or not? Some dudes try really hard but still come up with shitty results (eg in cinema: Tommy Wiseau), while others can jerk off a masterpiece in 2 minutes. And that's aight.
808thebassqueen 11.19.19	forget reasoning with him, he has no idea how creativity or art works. he seems to think playing the guitar really fast is the peak of musicality and that anybody can create anything atmospheric with no effort
Demon of the Fall 11.19.19	All my jerk wads are masterpieces, every one is pictured and framed, so proud.
Demon of the Fall 11.19.19	@Tranta: glad you like it, yeah I was wondering more what you thought of the creative process behind it - i.e. the fact it is entirely made up of samples.
Faenrir 11.19.19	What a bait list lol
TrantaLocked 11.19.19	@808thebassqueen It's really weird how you so strongly think things that are completely untrue. You can't just say random bullshit and have it be true just because you insulted someone. I do know how music is made at pretty much every step. Exactly how to operate equipment in the studio of course I'd have to learn the precise details of, but I know how it all generally works. Nice strawman with the "fast guitar" bait. What do you think Catchthirtythree is? Is that just fast guitar? That's an album that surprisingly is atmosphere based, but it does it so well it truly deserves the 5. What about Hybrid Theory, is that just fast guitar? No, their passion and good riffs are just really original and enjoyable. Axe to Fall may be one of your "fast guitar" lul albums, but unfortunately you don't seem to care about riffs and that album riffs hard as fuck. It also seems like you don't really listen to anything people say, it all goes in one ear and out the other. Might be a trump supporter, or if outside the US a close-minded alt-right idiot. You really strawman and ignore people like it's your job. @Demon of the Fall You mean samples taken from other sources?
dedex 11.19.19	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endtroducing.....#Production
TrantaLocked 11.19.19	That's pretty nuts then. Props to him though, must have been fun making it.
808thebassqueen 11.19.19	I fucking hate that people legitimately compare via user ratings stuff like Godspeed You to classic bands like Metallica and Queen. Literally progressive-(random noises) with "aTmOsPhEre" and "hEaRt.
808thebassqueen 11.19.19	I fucking hate that people legitimately compare via user ratings stuff like Godspeed You to classic bands like Metallica and Queen. Literally progressive-(random noises) with "aTmOsPhEre" and "hEaRt.
808thebassqueen 11.19.19	I fucking hate that people legitimately compare via user ratings stuff like Godspeed You to classic bands like Metallica and Queen. Literally progressive-(random noises) with "aTmOsPhEre" and "hEaRt.
808thebassqueen 11.19.19	I fucking hate that people legitimately compare via user ratings stuff like Godspeed You to classic bands like Metallica and Queen. Literally progressive-(random noises) with "aTmOsPhEre" and "hEaRt.
808thebassqueen 11.19.19	I fucking hate that people legitimately compare via user ratings stuff like Godspeed You to classic bands like Metallica and Queen. Literally progressive-(random noises) with "aTmOsPhEre" and "hEaRt.
TrantaLocked 11.19.19	Spam posting is childish as fuck. Yeah, I let out some anger in a meme comment, get over it. If it makes you happy, I'm happy post-rock exists.
808thebassqueen 11.19.19	All you pieces of shit can ever say when you meet someone with feelings is get help once you realize you've gone too far. Did you not consider that half of what you say is going too far and that you actually piss of WAY more people than you realize?
808thebassqueen 11.19.19	All you pieces of shit can ever say when you meet someone with feelings is get help once you realize you've gone too far. Did you not consider that half of what you say is going too far and that you actually piss of WAY more people than you realize?
808thebassqueen 11.19.19	All you pieces of shit can ever say when you meet someone with feelings is get help once you realize you've gone too far. Did you not consider that half of what you say is going too far and that you actually piss of WAY more people than you realize?
alamo 11.19.19	I have a preference for high levels of tonal musicality, creativity and experimentation. I enjoy strong and meaningful lyrics, but the music itself can override bad or average lyrics. I also value transitional flow between songs and a unique and creative theme that can be derived from the album as a whole.
TrantaLocked 11.20.19	Let's go all the way back to the asshole that resurrected this thread when it should have stopped at 18 comments: relik009: "Can you change the title? It's biased." It's my fucking list on my own profile. If you can't infer that it's my favorite albums of all time, fuck you. There are probably hundreds of similarly titled lists on this website, why don't you go spam your childish shit there too. "Change it to something like "some great albums", it's a better title." No. "And I disagree with Hypnotize. I think Steal This Album was far better according to SOAD's standards." I did respond to this respectfully earlier but now that I realize you're just a compete asshole, fuck you. I already explained my reasoning for putting up Hypnotize instead of their other albums in the OP, and I wanted it to be a short list. Don't imply to tell me what albums to put on my own list. "Also, "high levels of experimentation", "tonal musicality", "creativity" and you only put these albums? You haven't seen even the smallest fraction of the musical world, I'm pretty sure." I also responded to this but now that you don't deserve respect, and I've already tried to explain what I enjoy about music, you're just an asshole that assumes random bullshit just like the angry retard 808. You both literally cannot FATHOM anything outside of your little box and if anyone says anything you don't believe you insult, harass, and spam them. Once again, I've heard pretty much everything but I don't rate 90% of what I listen to because I try not to waste my time being bored. Both of you are garbage human beings, objectively.
IntriguingSergei 11.20.19	Nice bump !
Sharkattack 11.20.19	Lol
TrantaLocked 11.20.19	https://i.imgur.com/rHkecL6.png
dedex 11.20.19	dude you're trying too hard
Sinternet 11.20.19	hey dont be chatting shit on oltna
TrantaLocked 11.20.19	Judgement has been given according to this thread alone. If Oltnabrick would like to appeal the decision s/he may post in this thread asking for a court hearing.
Sinternet 11.20.19	All you pieces of shit can ever say when you meet someone with feelings is get help once you realize you've gone too far. Did you not consider that half of what you say is going too far and that you actually piss of WAY more people than you realize?
Intothepit 11.20.19	Did you really take the effort to make a Venn diagram???
JohnnyoftheWell 11.20.19	Shut up pit you - and I quote - "Asshole" l o l Technically the normal category should be an independent circle since it has no intersection with the others (unless you want to imply that Demon and Ars are kinda arseholes but not really)
Sinternet 11.20.19	would agree with that analysis
Valzentia 11.20.19	i made it into the asshole category of a diehard avenged sevenfold fan's tier list and can now die happy
Demon of the Fall 11.20.19	I'm constantly teetering on the edge of arseholery and idiocy, its just a way of life at this point.
Josh D. 11.20.19	WISH I COULD BE THE ONE
JohnnyoftheWell 11.20.19	Wait wtf Willow you've literally been the only nice person itt I am so confuse
TrantaLocked 11.20.19	Demon insulted the thread for "giving him the stupids." WeepinWillow trolled about The Act because of my recent ratings, copy pasted my previous comments which again is spam, and then tried to argue Bat Country couldn't possibly be unique which once again was to meme and troll me. Any trolling that in anyway contributed to what the shit heads at the top of the chart were generating here, automatically removes you from a clean normal standing. @WeepinnWillow I'm not diehard, maybe closer to that than most but not really. This thread wasn't even about defending A7X, but arguing semantics with close-minded idiots. I've tried defending bands like Asking Alexandria and A7X elsewhere, but not here. It was mainly about what bands A7X was and wasn't like, and what exactly about them I enjoy and think is unique. But even then I could've named any band to discuss, it was just A7X I believe intothepit or someone else wanted me to try and defend specifically because bait of course. I even named an Unexpect song first and he still asked me "no no, name an A7X song," and then I named a song that represents what sets A7X apart pretty well (Bat Country) and obviously things didn't get better. Also, while you were in that category, you were more in the normal range than the ones above you. Still an asshole though.
Josh D. 11.20.19	great
alamo 11.20.19	I have a preference for high levels of tonal musicality
Josh D. 11.20.19	tonal musicality is key
TrantaLocked 11.20.19	This is why Josh D. is on the edge on the chart, but the main thing is at least he isn't a complete maniac psycho like 808. Alamo is just troll, fuck off. 808 literally would be the suicide bomber for a Mad Max sequel where everyone listens to trap in a cyber punk dystopia. Screaming and shouting "BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! HERE I GOOOOOOO!", telling everyone how crazy they are that they aren't all apart of the grand master plan to take back Shitonia.
Josh D. 11.20.19	I accept.
Demon of the Fall 11.20.19	'Demon insulted the thread for "giving him the stupids."' Did this contribute to negative points in both arseholery and idiocy, the 2nd by proxy perhaps? - hmm... but if the thread itself gave me the stupids, then the blame doesn't lie with me, I was powerless. I demand a recount.
TrantaLocked 11.20.19	"All my jerk wads are masterpieces, every one is pictured and framed, so proud." Clearly you wanted in on the fun but don't truly feel like you're evil. You just wanted to be accepted by your piece of shit brethren. Just feel good that you're on the bottom half of the image. There are no re-counts, only trial. If you think this 10% stupidity/50% assholery by proxy, or errors of the now made light quote about jerk wads, is unfair to be considered for your chart positioning, a trial may begin. But, I would prefer others ask for an appeal for a group trial.
CalculatingInfinity 11.20.19	Oh the level of hubris on display is palatable...
alamo 11.20.19	i just really like that sentence. i have no idea what you guys are discussing
ArsMoriendi 11.20.19	Damn, that Venn diagram is legendary (not in a good way,) and probably deserves a mention on the next Sputawards. Do those even still happen?
JohnnyoftheWell 11.20.19	no idea but someone plz save it and get it on the pasta list asap
MELONADE13 11.20.19	"because I favor experimentation and flow I favor this album." "Honorable mentions in no particular order: Linkin Park: Hybrid Theory"
Demon of the Fall 11.20.19	I feel like this guy can see my soul. Disconcerting.
Sinternet 11.20.19	honored to be on the diagram twice
TrantaLocked 11.20.19	What is it. If you're also intothepit I swear to fucking god.
MELONADE13 11.20.19	shut up dweeb
Intothepit 11.20.19	Ya gonna shoot up the site if he is, Tranta?
Demon of the Fall 11.20.19	I wonder what one needs to do in order to achieve total idiocy, like right in that top left-hand corner (it's currently an abyss of absolute nothingness).
Sinternet 11.20.19	me and pit are a single hivemind no its ur pal 808
CalculatingInfinity 11.20.19	Who will be the fated person to be in all three categories is the question.
TrantaLocked 11.20.19	@TrantaLocked Yes, I and Sinternet are the same person. Just a little fun, you know?
TrantaLocked 11.20.19	@Intothepit how the fuck is that just a little fun you psychopath.
Intothepit 11.20.19	Dude, calm down. It was just a question. No need to get even more nonsensical
Sinternet 11.20.19	according to definite professionals, sputnikmusic has the highest ratio of psychopaths ever observed in the known universe
TrantaLocked 11.20.19	A question? You were trolling me with two accounts then tell me it was just a little fun?
Relinquished 11.20.19	uh oh someone's gonna overreact
Intothepit 11.20.19	I'm not trolling you with two accounts lol
Sinternet 11.20.19	my buddy you've been playing the victim and sperging out for two days now don't u think it's time to chill
Demon of the Fall 11.20.19	Shut up Relinquished you f'kin psychopath
Relinquished 11.20.19	damn right I am
TrantaLocked 11.20.19	https://i.imgur.com/N4o7jMH.png
CalculatingInfinity 11.20.19	Congrats to Pikazilla for reaching the highest honour
Sinternet 11.20.19	the diagram is expanding
Intothepit 11.20.19	One of the orderlies needs to hurry up and finish his pudding cup so he can get the keyboard away from Tranta.
Relinquished 11.20.19	I like how tranta ever so slightly lapped himself into the idiot side
JohnnyoftheWell 11.20.19	Pika looking exalted as fuck right there
JohnnyoftheWell 11.20.19	where are the clear-cut idiots. poor rep for team hufflepuff
TrantaLocked 11.20.19	https://i.imgur.com/I24S5G0.png
Relinquished 11.20.19	and he still leaves himself in the idiot section
TrantaLocked 11.20.19	What do think I am, a genius? Of course I'm part idiot. I'd have gone to NASA as I planned from the beginning if I weren't.
ArsMoriendi 11.20.19	NOW that's what I call humility
Intothepit 11.20.19	Too bad this isn't 33 years ago. The possibility of you being the Challenger explosion would bring me so much hope for mankind.
dedex 11.20.19	Keep calm with the updated versions, I can't post all of them on the pasta list
Relinquished 11.20.19	they'd prob reject you before considering applicants to reject
TrantaLocked 11.20.19	The recent one may be the most important of all though. If you're here, smile for the camera.
budgie 11.20.19	list needs more AUSTRALASIAAAAAA
alamo 11.20.19	if you show nasa this list and diagram they will accept you instantly
madrigal30 11.20.19	green day ripped off dillinger four. green day ripped off dillinger four. green day ripped off dillinger four.
TrantaLocked 11.20.19	Dookie released before that band released a single album. >doublewhiskycokenoice ah, that is interesting
alamo 11.20.19	- my tastes are very singular, you wouldn't understand - enlighten me - I have a preference for high levels of tonal musicality
Relinquished 11.20.19	- Avenged Sevenfold: Waking the Fallen
TrantaLocked 11.20.19	You could see things on a range from Coke to Sprite and make fun of someone for mainly liking Sprite, or notice that they like many variants of Sprite and would enjoy just as much music as everyone else if only there were more flavors of Sprite. The type of music I like has a ton of potential but it usually requires a certain type of passion from the vocalist that I don't hear from most bands. Notice how sort of crazy SOAD, A7X, Unexpects vocalists all sound? They really are exceptionally tonally creative. Is that not true? Notice how Bille Joe has more flexible vocal melodies considering the genre (pop-punk)? Not even Blink-182 does what Billy does in how he constructs vocal melodies.
GhandhiLion 11.20.19	this is an amazing list tranta. Thank you for posting.
Pikazilla 11.20.19	Tranta you da mvp
JohnnyoftheWell 11.20.19	Mike Patton died for this list
ArsMoriendi 11.20.19	I wonder how tranta would react Kate Bush - The Dreaming
GhandhiLion 11.20.19	I respect some a7x stuff. I actually think they pioneered a fairly original format of pop metalcore in the 2000's. Claiming they are melodic geniuses who write melodies which transcended the musical environment they came from is crazy though. They borrow a lot of melodic tropes from gothenburg metal (like most of the early melodic metalcore bands), Pantera and Metallica etc The official a7x youtube channel has some great behind the song videos. Their guitarist is a really humble guy and frequently references bands they were copying in those videos. They were never trying to make original melodies.
sixdegrees 11.20.19	Trebor Alesana plays instruments, fucking GYBE fucking goes in the kitchen, and drops pans on the floor, open doors and slam them, water the fucking flowers and watch a train go by, then calls it music.
JohnnyoftheWell 11.20.19	This thread has made me weirdly nostalgic for A7X. Which of those vids are worth watching Ghandhi?
dedex 11.20.19	I made a gif https://imgur.com/a/iK1MH4M
dedex 11.20.19	now the Venn needs to be updated so we can have a funnier gif
GhandhiLion 11.20.19	@Johnny I recall enjoyed all of the ones I watched. Even the ones for songs post CoE. (I don't care for most of them). For an extremely successful pop metal band, they are really cool guys. Here is a playlist: https://youtu.be/9F8Loq7X9Bw?list=PLpSW6gVRk77EN7ZzT1hRmxotzCSB7Wjf6
JohnnyoftheWell 11.20.19	Aww the bit at 8:00 on the first video where he talks about how heavily comped his solo was speaks straight to my heart. Relatable stuff, really cool talk
TrantaLocked 11.21.19	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yIqB5B5Yt8
GhandhiLion 11.21.19	Good content
Valzentia 11.21.19	actually if you look deeper Dillinger Four copied Green Day, who then copied Dillinger Four that isnt even a meme that's actually what happened
GhandhiLion 11.21.19	interesting take
IAmScott 11.21.19	This thread went places
Josh D. 11.22.19	I have a preference for high levels of tonal musicality
TrantaLocked 11.22.19	@JohnnyoftheWell Everything you described about post rock is exactly why I think it's cringey. "Understated intrigue" aka trying to be really fucking edgy with bullshit. Dynamics are boring as fuck when relied on this way. "look mom I made the noises change and shit over a 25 minute song, so l33t and cool and mystical rite mom?" I don't deny there is effort that goes into it, but most of you have decided that effort shouldn't matter anyway. So if we move to intentions, in that case the intention I pick up from most post rock or noise is that the band isn't trying to transcend reality enough but rather trying to act as a sort of musical backdrop or mimicry/conversion of reality, while also trying to "intrigue" you as Johnny put it. It isn't even bad half the time but the fucking 5/5s all over the place are cringe as fuck. Basically post-rock tries to make me feel and imagine things that are like, super common in daily life. I want to be energized and transcend with music not be bored. Unless of course I need good background focus music, then it's ok.
Egarran 11.22.19	>This thread went places I almost want to read all this. Some kind of self-harm thing, I guess.
GhandhiLion 11.22.19	"edgy with bullshit." Well that's like your opinion man. You have your own demands of what music should be, or how it should experiment. Also most post-rock songs are not 20 minutes long. Even after GYBE.
TrantaLocked 11.22.19	If the song isn't 20 minutes it still feels like it in that genre. I was so disappointed by Cult of Luna's new album because they decided to inch away from their unique metal/post-metal sound and towards the post-edge shit like everyone else. It literally sounds like music made for someone who's setting up their grave in a forest and wants to go out sitting peacefully with fitting music, imagine the final scene in that wolf movie The Grey with Liam Neeson.
East Hastings 11.22.19	lots of cool posts here man
GhandhiLion 11.22.19	Interesting. I think they sound less like post-rock after Vertikal.
TrantaLocked 11.22.19	And more like what? A Dawn to Fear sounds quite like post-metal to me. I got a bit mixed up though. I was disappointed by Cult of Luna but even moreso by Cave In. White Silence is asking for 5s, the new one is very meh and it almost sounds like post-metal.
Relinquished 11.22.19	"I was so disappointed by Cult of Luna's new album because they decided to inch away from their unique metal/post-metal sound and towards the post-edge shit like everyone else." you mean like how they've been doing it since 2003 lmao come one "It literally sounds like music made for someone who's setting up their grave in a forest and wants to go out sitting peacefully with fitting music" not a bad thing, with all of the forest imagery they got it fits unsurprisingly
Relinquished 11.22.19	"Basically post-rock tries to make me feel and imagine things that are like, super common in daily life." sounds like a case of stagnant imagination on your part
ElioG 11.22.19	Just read things about post rock and i posted.
TrantaLocked 11.22.19	@Relinquished Nah I understand what it's going for imagination wise. I just don't care for it.
Intothepit 11.22.19	Lol no you really don't. Like, at all.
Josh D. 11.22.19	baby brain
Intothepit 11.22.19	I still can't believe this poor guy took the time to make that honest to God shit YouTube video.
Josh D. 11.22.19	Good thing I'll never watch it.
Intothepit 11.22.19	I watched the first ten seconds of it and immediately thought about falling on a sword.
TrantaLocked 11.22.19	You did watch the entire thing right?
Intothepit 11.22.19	No lol. Why would I?
TrantaLocked 11.22.19	If you only watched 10 seconds you have no idea what the video is, or how you're one of the main antagonists in it.
JohnnyoftheWell 11.22.19	don't do yourself down, the whole scope was beautifully reflected in every second
Intothepit 11.22.19	I don't care if I'm one of the main antagonists. Lol I felt like I was watching an autistic child's fantasy world
JohnnyoftheWell 11.22.19	isn't that half the experience of watching this site anyway?
Intothepit 11.22.19	Yeah, but seeing an actual visual embodiment of it was a bit much.
TrantaLocked 11.22.19	Shrek is love, shrek is life.
TrantaLocked 11.22.19	https://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?listid=94562 You're a joke of an asshole pit. Honestly, you sound like an omega rellik009, "BUT MUH RULES AND STANDARDS YOU CAN ONLY POST HOW I WANT YOU TO." You think your stupid rules matter more than having at least even a speck of humanity. Who cares what new users are like or how they review, let them be. They're people like all of us are. Fuck you and I hope your death is suffering like your life hopefully is. The video was a fucking meme, it was intended to be extreme. You didn't point out at all how it was supposed to mirror this thread, just insult me and be your usual piece of shit self.
dctarga 11.22.19	Man, you gotta chill out my guy. This is embarrassing Or actually continue because it's also hilarious
TrantaLocked 11.22.19	Oh but intothepit ISN'T the one that needs to chill out? LOOK AT THAT FUCKING LIST I JUST LINKED. HE UNIRONICALLY BELIEVES THOSE "RULES" HE'S WRITING.
Storm In A Teacup 11.22.19	Liked "I don't care if I'm one of the main antagonists. Lol I felt like I was watching an autistic child's fantasy world"
TrantaLocked 11.22.19	Worst, most elitist piece of shit users: INTJ (Intothepit) ISFP (808thebassqueen is an extreme example of a pyscho IxFP, probably ISFP because super emotional about it unlike relinquish/melonade/etc who are robotic assholes but ISTP still possible. Pikazilla possible example of an ok ISFP, but again this type has a ton of potential to be shit elitist garbage) ESTP (this type has the most potential to be a complete loud asshole douchebag in all contexts, besides ESTJ) OK but still shit: ISTP/INTP (the quiet assholes like melonade/relinquish/kill/alamo/oltna, too afraid and self controlled to go full retard like INTJ/ISFP/ESTP elitists. These users may also be INTP or ENTP but they get the base ISTP label for now) INTP (randos/assholes/can be really cool depending on person) ENTP (usually aren't giant assholes but are super fucking troll) ENTJ (may be an intelligent douchebag) ISFJ (randos but can be some of the pickiest pieces of shit of all time) ISTJ (randos, rellik009 is likely either this or INTJ) ESFP (these can be extremely chill but once they go elitist, fuck them) Usually decent: INFP ENFP ENFJ INFJ Usually not here: ESTJ ESFJ
Sinternet 11.22.19	do u ingest ur own feces on the regular?
Relinquished 11.22.19	oh he def needs medication lol
clavier 11.22.19	BREAKING NEWS: Record-Breaking Sales for Commercial Popcorn Manufacturers
TrantaLocked 11.22.19	@Sinternet If I did I'd still be eating cleaner than whatever the fuck garbage you are.
sixdegrees 11.22.19	lol this is still going on
TrantaLocked 11.22.19	Yeah you're kill right?
sixdegrees 11.22.19	neck
Sinternet 11.22.19	neck
TrantaLocked 11.22.19	@sixdegrees Understood. @Relinquished Your burn strength to character# ratio is very high. Probably even higher than pit. Very efficient asshole. May be why you didn't hug the idiot line on the diagram. @Sinternet Bitching out by not going on 808. Not feeling psycho enough today?
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	I found the exact tipping point that if it weren't for, none of the last 3 days would've happened. See, I used to be even more sensitive when I was new here in 2011, but over the years became a bit better at working with the usual behavior here. But then StarlessCore comes in here and tells me to "go back to melody school you wankstain." This is not just a casual, arbitrary troll. This was absolutely intended to be hurtful, and that really pissed me off. I don't even think pit tries to be hurtful to that extent and he's still extremely hurtful. His comment was extremely short, like a quick drive by shooting. He gave little consideration to giving an actually substantive response, hinting at the level of disrespect he had in his heart. He references my sincere comment about melody, and made a joke of it by pretending to be stupid in the way he believed I was being, by firstly implying melody school even is a thing, and that I should go back to it because apparently I don't even understand what melody is. Imagine Patrik star and his hand drawn watch; that is the level StarlessCore disrespected me. He multi-layered insulted me. Insult-ception, if you will. Then he calls me a wankstain. To degrade someone to the level of wankstain is to attempt to remove all humanity or worth from them; it's probably the worst thing you can possibly be called. Maybe not the most offensive on the surface, but with some consideration, truly is cruel. Not just a cumblob, but only the stain of one; the only sign of life left is the dead carcasses of what once were the precursors to a human fetus. Now my "lawful evil" tirade has been triggered as a result of this outrageously hurtful insult.
Relinquished 11.23.19	tl;dr you’re a wankstain
wutang4ever 11.23.19	Where has been hiding? I really like what you said about AJFA. Granted there is no bass but those mesa boogies and that crunch saved the album, well Kirks leads is #1 reason but as far as the bass? Those crunches with that tone filled that spot in while shredding main power chords. Top song is The Frayed Ends OF Sanity.
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	For a while I had somewhat forgotten the album, but recently I got a really good EQ on it and now AJFA sounds even better if you prefer the more dry yet wide range sound of today's metal. The mids need to be pumped pretty hard for it to sound normal for me. I was disappointed by the remaster basically being the exact same thing as the original which is what prompted me to do the EQ. Obviously I love the first half of the album like most do but Dryer's Eve is a big sleeper for me, riff is too good.
Sinternet 11.23.19	some of you guys are alright don't log onto sputnik tomorrow
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	Thanks and will do, will the site maintenance take all day?
GhandhiLion 11.23.19	"His comment was extremely short, like a quick drive by shooting. He gave little consideration to giving an actually substantive response, hinting at the level of disrespect he had in his heart." Not gonna lie, I shed a tear to that.
IntriguingSergei 11.23.19	Sinternet is good at his work it will only take a minute and you won't feel a thing
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	Why did Trantalocked randomly add Myer's Briggs-based elitism into the thread? What a dick Bet he self identifies as an INFJ
EphemeralEternity 11.23.19	I'm beginning to doubt whether you've even heard every album
Thalassic 11.23.19	What a thread
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	@ArsMoriendi I'm actually an INFP. Because Pit is the epitome of elitist boomer INTJ, but on this site there's more of a general personality that's attracted than necessarily a type. Probably IxFP for the most part, but ISFPs are moreso known for being elitist. INTJs are just the more rules version of ISFP.
ramon. 11.23.19	You do seem about as perceptive as Helen Keller so it follows
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	Still, labeling most types as shit and then approving your own type as good is elitist as fuck. No wonder you're lawful evil on the alignment thread, it all makes sense.
Intothepit 11.23.19	Holy shit, I think he's in love with me
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	Trantalocked: YOU GUYS ARE ELITISTS! Also Trantlocked: My personality type makes me superior to you
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	In the context of this site, because it attracts the 4chan type of person and those types are especially prone to getting sucked into the personal insulting shit. In other communities there's a lot of other considerations, because despite INTJs often being assholes they probably do some of the most innovative work for the world No I don't think it makes me superior really. A lot of this is enneagram involved too, also cultural differences.
Intothepit 11.23.19	Were you the homeless guy I caught trying to sneak on to my porch the other night, Tranta? Was that you?
JohnnyoftheWell 11.23.19	Pretty sure I'm an ENFP ooh interesting
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	@Intothepit Not even you deserve to lack homely peace of mind so no, I don't do that shit. But if you want to visit my homeless shelter I can give you the address. @Johnny I really thought you were an INFP, up to you to know though. My current thoughts are the site is primarily IxFP but leans slightly ISFP and as most communities go, leans enneagram 6. The ones that make themselves a dedicated part are mostly 6s, and in my experience 6s can be really flexible in starting conflicts. Unlike myself a 9, who hates conflict, but being mentally unstable if I'm set off I'll go in the opposite direction of 9 and act more like an 8.
Sinternet 11.23.19	myers-briggs is just astrology for people with linked-in profiles anyway
Intothepit 11.23.19	You sure? Because you seem to really be obsessed with me...
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	Myers-Briggs is more fun than astrology honestly, but yeah it's bullshit when it comes to having actual validity Spent way too much time in MBTI/typology groups though lol It's always sad to see people (like Trantalocked) use the system as a way to place people into a hierarchy though
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	@Intothepit Well I saw the cans of green beans on them with the drawing of batman and your username and a little smiley face. Looks like you do care, I'm gonna have a really healthy thanksgiving thanks to you. @ArsMoriendi Including elements of both MBTI, enneagram and socionics it can be easier to predict the types of people you'd get along with. So when I say ISFP I also mean the socionics traits like negativist, constructivist, etc. Negativists really enjoy expressing how much something is bad, while positivists lean more towards expressing something is good and feeling unsure about expressing dislike for something. When negativists get comfortable with each other conversation starts leaning towards what is shit about whatever they're talking about and that's something I dislike.
EphemeralEternity 11.23.19	There's no hyphen in LinkedIn
JohnnyoftheWell 11.23.19	"myers-briggs is just astrology for people with linked-in profiles anyway" Entirely accurate "@Johnny I really thought you were an INFP, up to you to know though." Can't remember half my letters but the one thing I'm damn sure of was that I got E rather than I
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	I wanna see why Sint thinks LinkedIn is bad
ramon. 11.23.19	I'm an infj-a which gives me the n word pass
Intothepit 11.23.19	I do care, because I'm worried your crazy ass is gonna finally really lose it and try and kill me.
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	"Including elements of both MBTI, enneagram and socionics it can be easier to predict the types of people you'd get along with." HOLY FUCK you're as far into this as I was like a year ago, except you're an elitist about it aaaaah
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	No I'd never encroach on other's human rights. I'm not actually that crazy, I have quite the understanding of my own issues. @ArsMoriendi Yeah I started in 2015, the stuff I learned mostly stuck with me. I never read Jung's books so not the deepest and honestly I try not to let it bias my perception of people but it can come in handy in understanding what people need or want when I otherwise can't understand.
Intothepit 11.23.19	Oh no you have not an ounce of understanding when it comes to your own issues.
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	Like?
EphemeralEternity 11.23.19	@Ars well granstanding/showboating/brown-nosing is not only acceptable it's encouraged and expected. The whole thing feels like a fucking nuketown that needs to be detonated
Intothepit 11.23.19	I wouldn't be surprised if you idolized Timothy McVeigh
Viriathus 11.23.19	Imagine writing a "manifesto" on a thread of your favorite albums of all time because you freaked out for three days over some prick calling you a wankstain and then using Myers-Briggs as a way to validate and invalidate people. How many times did you fall down a staircase when you were a baby to go on this much of a hissy fit?
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	Complete opposite. I might've idolized M Shadows in the past or maybe Thom Yorke. @DeadBitchAlexis 69
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	I just want Tranta to type me so I can tell him that he's wrong Full on, give me the MBTI, Socionics, enneagram treatment
Intothepit 11.23.19	Don't forget he has held a Sputnik grudge for at least 6 years.
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	@ArsMoriendi ENTP?
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	"@ArsMoriendi ENTP?" Not even close
Viriathus 11.23.19	"@DeadBitchAlexis 69" [insert laugh track here]
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	INFP? I'm pretty sure you use Ne but if I'm wrong I'm just done then. Maybe INFJ?
Intothepit 11.23.19	Oh it's funny because it's sexual!!! Hahaha. Fucking wankstain lol
Intothepit 11.23.19	You're wrong, so just be done.
Thalassic 11.23.19	Revenge of the Wankstain
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	"INFP? I'm pretty sure you use Ne but if I'm wrong I'm just done then. Maybe INFJ?" Only 13 more guesses left lol
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	@Intothepit AND IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE HE INSULTED ME FOR BEING DROPPED ON THE HEAD HAHAHAH!
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	@ArsMoriendi ESFP?
Thalassic 11.23.19	What exactly is a wankstain? Is that a person who has a preference for high levels of tonal musicality?
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	"@ArsMoriendi ESFP?" You're REALLY bad at this and therefore all of your typings in this thread of other users need to brought into question.
Intothepit 11.23.19	You're bringing them into question now, Ars? I was the minute he posted them.
JohnnyoftheWell 11.23.19	I don't even myers briggs but Ars is ISTJ or ISFJ please stop this madness
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	Dammit Johnny, I wanted Tranta to go through like 6 more types before he guessed ISTJ.
JohnnyoftheWell 11.23.19	Lol sorry I couldn't handle the grind
EphemeralEternity 11.23.19	these personality type labels lead to more sperging than genre labels huh
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	They're a fun, bullshit hobby with a community, kinda like Sputnikmusic, or Reddit, or whatever
Viriathus 11.23.19	"@Intothepit AND IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE HE INSULTED ME FOR BEING DROPPED ON THE HEAD HAHAHAH!" *she And if you dont want people to insult you for being dropped on the head as a kid then maybe not going on like a 6 year grudge against a music website and throwing temper tantrums at people on the internet for calling you a name might be a good start. yknow.
dctarga 11.23.19	"What exactly is a wankstain? Is that a person who has a preference for high levels of tonal musicality?" Lol, man this is a neat thread
EphemeralEternity 11.23.19	to be fair you can't really fault the fellow for assuming your gender despite your username, given that we've only had about 2 or 3 sheilas in the history of the site, and even they failed to produce supporting documentation
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	@DeadBitchAlexis Imagine unironically defending insulting another human being just because someone held a grudge and you find that childish. Someone whining doesn't give you the right to insult them. Jesus you're retarded.
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	Isn't calling DeadBitchAlexis "retarded" insulting another human being? Hypocrisy reigns
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	I've said countless times once you cross the line you'll be getting insulted back. Not hypocritical. Something I've noticed is when people try to show strength in their inferior function they end up looking like their semi-dual type. So INFP looks like ENTJ, ISTJ looks like ENTP. Maybe that plus some of your music taste led me to think ENTP? I can remember one of my ISTJ friends really liking radiohead and I get the impressions Si doms tend to like progressive music. What's your enneagram? If I guessed 5w6 am I close?
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	6w5 (Tritype 641)
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	Ohh the 4 explains a lot. 9w1 945 here (or 954). Are you counterphobic?
Sinternet 11.23.19	do you believe vaccines cause autism tranta
Thalassic 11.23.19	"So INFP looks like ENTJ, ISTJ looks like ENTP." So there's a transitional flow between them? Very interesting. How does all of this correlate with the preference for high levels of tonal musicality?
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	Mostly no but I think like 1-3% of cases an adverse inflammatory reaction to specific vaccines may occur and can lead to brain damage based on some of the studies I've read. So one condition could be autism or anything else, but often that reaction leads to death, just depends on the person and potentially how many doses of which vaccines were taken.
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	"Are you counterphobic?" Nope.
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	@Thalassic F makes you more partial to tonality while T makes you more partial to the technical aspects of music, but obviously anyone can appreciate anything. It's why I said DM fans are likely more T leaning because to me that's the epitome of technical/mechanical metal.
Viriathus 11.23.19	I see zero fault in thinking someone is childish when theyve held a grudge against a website for 6 years and come back to it just to bitch about it.
Viriathus 11.23.19	btw I think Starless and Pit are both braindead and annoying, its just that youre even more braindead and annoying.
Sinternet 11.23.19	" F makes you more partial to tonality" fucking everyone's partial to tonality this is yet another concept you don't understand. 99.9% of music in the world is tonal. atonal music is a fringe experimental concept that few composers or musicians work with. barely anyone is out there listening to schoenberg. quit the pseudoscience
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	I didn't wake up every day remembering this "grudge." I made the thread, I see someone who reminds me of another user I ran into before, vaguely remember the name of the user frankredhot being "pit" and saw pit in the intothepit and also notice the very fucked up way of projecting on other people. Then that conversation from 6 years ago came back and it wasn't a pleasant one, I have the right to remember painful events in my life and dislike anyone who takes pleasure in that happening. Even if I could grow up, I can't control what I am and am not offended by.
Sinternet 11.23.19	how are you this fragile?
JohnnyoftheWell 11.23.19	yeah sint but how partial to tonality are you really huh but you're like 6/10 partial at best lol
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	@Sinternet Ah more projecting from you too. It's the range of how much the music relies on tonal creativity versus mathematical elements. Please stop assuming the worst in what I'm saying.
Sinternet 11.23.19	well i can't lie, schoenberg was daddy af. tempting me over to the darkside
EphemeralEternity 11.23.19	is trisomy-21 a personality type
Sinternet 11.23.19	"It's the range of how much the music relies on tonal creativity versus mathematical elements." haha what the fuck is this even supposed to mean? the range of tonal creativity? are they inventing new keys or scales? have they invented the 13-tone technique? a new measure for microtonality?
JohnnyoftheWell 11.23.19	damn you're pretty strong holding on like that, but i bet you could never make a list like this you'd have to be at least 8.4/10
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	"is trisomy-21 a personality type" Maybe ESFP? (kidding of course...)
JohnnyoftheWell 11.23.19	literally everything in music can be framed mathematically including tonality inb4 anyone comes in with 'what about heart n soul' hot takes
Thalassic 11.23.19	I think trisomy-21 is something that's instrumental in order to keep the flow transitional.
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	Really being a great team player when you say the obvious in an attempt to put me down. Of course it can all be framed mathematically, why are you actually still trying to troll me? I should just say, Ts are more ok with dissonant music while Fs moreso prefer harmonic music. But also that rhythm matters more to Ts than Fs.
Intothepit 11.23.19	See, the thing is not a single person is assuming anything, Tantra. You're laying out your idiocy and fragility for all of us to see. The fact that you remember EVERYTHING from something over 6 years ago from the internet proves how fragile your psyche is. You may want to continue to lie to yourself that it still doesn't bother you, but your obsession with proving that I, among others, is a psychopath while spitting out your pseudo-bullshit proves that it still bothers you.
JohnnyoftheWell 11.23.19	so dissonant music relies more on 'mathematical elements' than melodic/harmonic music?
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	It's just coincidental elements. Usually music made by Ts is going to sound more rhythmic based and can potentially sound more dissonant because they care less about good harmonics or melodies than Fs do. The rhythm and structure is the mathematical part.
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	I kinda like how we're talking about music theory stuff like tonality, dissonance, harmony etc Sputnik should do this more often, but maybe in a more positive space separate from Myers Briggs and stereotyping
Sinternet 11.23.19	explain what 'good' harmonics are explain what dissonance is source your claims
Sinternet 11.23.19	"The rhythm and structure is the mathematical part." as johnny said, every single part of music is mathematical. especially harmony.
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	@Intothepit It is absolutely true that it wasn't something really ever on my mind. I think there was a moment a couple years ago I went back to my shoutbox to see the history again, but other than that it didnt come to mind over the years. But when I do choose to look back on it of course it bothers me, like now. And yes, considering how unreasonable you are, you aren't so mentally stable yourself.
TrantaLocked 11.23.19	@Sinternet "lack of harmony among musical notes. a tension or clash resulting from the combination of two disharmonious or unsuitable elements" Ts care less about their music being melodically pleasing, and it follows Fs care more about avoiding dissonance.
Intothepit 11.23.19	The guy that's still upset about some trolling from six years ago calling someone mentally unstable lol.
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	"Ts care less about their music being melodically pleasing, and it follows Fs care more about avoiding dissonance." Dude, Sint thinks typology/MBTI is bullshit, why are you trying to convince him that music taste is related to typology?
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	It's like telling an atheist that they should do something because Jesus wants them to
Sinternet 11.23.19	so the definition is correct "Ts care less about their music being melodically pleasing, and it follows Fs care more about avoiding dissonance." this is nonsense. you're injecting pseudoscience here, this is basically astrology-levels of meaningless. also you're thinking about this completely wrong. dissonance isn't just used to not be "melodically pleasing" (that should be harmonically pleasing as dissonance is the result of intervals between notes) its also used to emphasise and contrast with a resolution or otherwise non-dissonant element. this can be used to enhance the 'pleasing' nature of a progression by teasing an idea which isn't present. a fair amount of jazz uses dissonance to this advantage to create a harmonically pleasing resolution
JohnnyoftheWell 11.23.19	thank you sint that comment is the one. if there was no such thing dissonance 90% of all melodies/harmonies would be unlistenable boring, like imagine rock with no blues scale holy shit it'd be like hearing peripheral vision or some shit on repeat forever 'melodically pleasing' dissonance bootcamp 101 please study this www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf2qYa8c-cA
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	melodically pleasing' dissonance? What like noise pop?
JohnnyoftheWell 11.23.19	tbh a steep proportion of noise pop I've checked has been noisey more because of timbre/arrangement-related fuckery than dissonance but yeah that's a vibe for it
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	When you said "'melodically pleasing' dissonance" I immediately thought of "Schizophrenia" by Sonic Youth without checking the link and then I checked the link and...haha nice.
Sinternet 11.23.19	really good example johnny, sonic youth did this a lot especially earlier in their career i think the problem is people misuse dissonance to refer to timbre way too often. use noise or similar textural elements in your music? it's dissonant. it really isn't.
GhandhiLion 11.23.19	Wtf I leave this thread for two hours and the downward spiral continues.
Josh D. 11.23.19	This is going great.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.23.19	What the fuck are you idiots on about
GhandhiLion 11.23.19	Slint do melodic dissonance well https://youtu.be/haUJyCRTiXg
Sinternet 11.23.19	nosferatu man is such a banger agreed
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	Where would this fall when it comes to dissonance and tonality? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02u2jYHyMd4
GhandhiLion 11.23.19	I watched the Slint documentary again yesterday. There is this awesome unreleased Maurice song. Pajo's hardcore guitar sound was insane. https://youtu.be/GsRpS6XGiOs?t=12m28s
GhandhiLion 11.23.19	@ars it falls under... COME ON IT'S FEEDING TIME
Sinternet 11.23.19	considering the video is unavailable for me ars its about as dissonant as 4:33
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	@Sint: here's the same song, but a different video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35nx5ghW-Jc Does it work?
Sinternet 11.23.19	not sure i dig the song that much ghandhi but the tone is definitely nice
Sinternet 11.23.19	thats an interesting song actually never heard it before my music theory isnt that great that i can judge purely by ear, but to me most of it is fairly reliant on timbre outside of the strings which definitely are creating dissonance
GhandhiLion 11.23.19	Maurice was pretty elementary stuff, silly hardcore - metal. (they were all kids!)
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	Would a master thread where people could ask questions about music theory be interesting to anyone... things such as "what key is this song in?" "is this an example of dissonance or is the song just very multi-timbred" idk etc
Egarran 11.23.19	I say we make this that master thread and delete the irrelevant comments.
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	Sounds like too much work, I'mma create a new list
GhandhiLion 11.23.19	"Is this atonal or polytonal" "is this jazz or just blues rock with sax" ye sounds promising
ArsMoriendi 11.23.19	I created the list. :P
Sinternet 11.23.19	im sure theres people way beyond my ability who could be useful in that thread, i need to get my ear training a lot better. not sure how many people on sput are good on that regard but johnny seems to know what he's talking about
JohnnyoftheWell 11.23.19	I need to work on it too tbh, I can transcribe stuff up to basic harmonies and gauge a meter if I pay attention but am lousy when it comes to weirder intervals or more complicated chords. Still, it all sits on the same foundation...
virpi 11.23.19	Your list is wrong. Sincerely, me.
ReefaJones 11.23.19	I just overdosed on autism while reading this thread
Josh D. 11.23.19	well that's rude
Ryus 11.23.19	epic troll user
ChoccyPhilly 11.23.19	wtf nearly 500 comments. #1 is sick though
Josh D. 11.23.19	I have a preference for high levels of tonal musicality
sixdegrees 11.23.19	any INTJs here?
GhandhiLion 11.24.19	https://thumbs.gfycat.com/YoungEnlightenedAmphiuma-mobile.mp4
Josh D. 11.24.19	what is it
sixdegrees 11.24.19	worth the click imo
Josh D. 11.24.19	What is it
sixdegrees 11.24.19	open for a surprise :)
Ryus 11.24.19	its a jump scare dont do it!!1
Josh D. 11.24.19	What is it
sixdegrees 11.24.19	please just click it bro please im begging you its not anything bad, its actually pretty funny please
EphemeralEternity 11.24.19	Guys I think the Droperidol finally kicked in
Josh D. 11.24.19	It is what
alamo 11.24.19	HAHAHAHAHKDSJAHUAIRY8HQW095RYJHFUNDSIOÇKFNMXCLM FXCH
alamo 11.24.19	i was not ready
Sharkattack 11.24.19	Oh no
Sharkattack 11.24.19	It’s happening
dedex 11.24.19	This thread is perfect Sputnik: insults, meme videos and music theory.
GhandhiLion 11.24.19	Shut up Dedex. You are to intellect what Webern is to tonality https://thumbs.gfycat.com/YoungEnlightenedAmphiuma-mobile.mp4
dedex 11.24.19	thx for the enlightenment papa
BlindHouse 11.25.19	Great thread chaps. Really enjoying the transitional flow between posts and the unique and creative theme
Egarran 11.25.19	imagine being trapped in the wrong body tho ur real sex is a performative action
alamo 11.25.19	the T in LGBT stands for Tonal musicality
alamo 11.25.19	What an album. The band that gets haters from everyone;
JohnnyoftheWell 11.25.19	is LGBT+ for when you're above average tonal?
EphemeralEternity 11.25.19	The plot thickens as one realises that tritone is in fact dissonant chortles in a minor
Demon of the Fall 11.25.19	pretty sure that's an arrest-worthy offence, even without the chortling. Stay away from minors.
Demon of the Fall 11.25.19	'the T in LGBT stands for Tonal musicality' I now identify as Tonal musicality, let me see that tromboner, PHWOAR!
Egarran 11.25.19	Like, everything is just vibrations, man. We're notes in the cosmic symphony, right?
rellik009 11.27.19	Sinternet handled Tranta with fire, damn. I'd add dissonance is just a tool for composition, and that music, as an art, is about many things related to sound, not at all about being just "pleasing". Lmao my OCD kicking in again but anyways there's no fucking way Hypnotize is the best SOAD album, even in the case of such stupidity from OP
EphemeralEternity 11.27.19	Vomir really be our there trying to make their music as pleasing as possible and not knowing where they’re going wrong :’(
MELONADE13 11.27.19	Vomir really be eifjgbgbbnkakakk*f#tk,v$y[o%i(nc"u6_j(o_d-no[i^
sixdegrees 11.27.19	the most important thing is that music doth be pleasing to mine ears
Egarran 11.28.19	exfuckingcactly
wutang4ever 11.28.19	whew
rellik009 11.28.19	If crafted gud, it gud.
TrantaLocked 11.29.19	@Sinternet I agree with 99% of that paragraph about use of dissonance in music. You tell me I'm thinking wrong, then proceed to say true things about music as if I thought the opposite? What else will you attempt to pretend we disagree on? @JohnnyofthWell " if there was no such thing dissonance 90% of all melodies/harmonies would be unlistenable boring" Yeah I agree, what I was talking about never stated or meant otherwise. I wasn't even talking about what is or isn't good overall for music. Entire thread is everyone assuming the complete worst in anything I say. Instead of thinking "oh yeah I see what you mean..." you think and post "YOU COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH MY KNOWLEDGE OF MUSIC THEORY, TRANTA." No I fucking don't. In a thread without assholes we'd just be talking about our favorite parts of different albums or reccing good bands, having a good time and not fighting. In this thread, someone gets caught up on the word mElOdY or dIsSoNaNcE and and has zero ability to empathize with the intention of someone who isn't versed in music theory vocabulary, and then everyone else jumps on the hate bandwagon. You want to talk about autism, it's extremely autistic to get so caught up on someone's potential misuse of a term in music theory in an area where it's completely inconsequential (is this music theory class??? is this a concert hall?) that you completely miss the forest for the trees and then proceed to go complete psycho mode on an innocent person. Once again, it DOESN'T. FUCKING. MATTER. Who cares if someone misuse a term or isn't studied on the theory. How does that warrant insulting someone or getting angry? Is having a good discussion not in everyone's best interests? Why would it ever make sense to turn a conversation negative just because someone hasn't studied a certain subject? Just infer what someone means when they say something, and if you can't understand you still shouldn't resort to conflict and insults. Do you really think social interaction is just about interrupting someone every time they don't refer to something perfectly? Like for example, if I got an album release date wrong, are you going to hound and insult your friend and make them feel bad for saying 1996 instead of 1997? This is all assuming I misused terms when I actually DIDN'T. I DID mean dissonance when I said it (and NOT timbre), and I DID mean melody when I said it. I'm literally just humoring the potential yet false notion of someone misusing a term, and the reaction others have to it. This thread: "Nice red coat" "IT'S MAROON YOU FUCKING IDIOT DO YOU EVEN KNOW EINSTEIN'S THEORY OF RELATIVITY?? GET HELP ASSHOLE GO BACK TO WAVELENGTH SCHOOL."
TrantaLocked 11.29.19	Please stop bothering me. If any of you truly care about my mental well being ("get help" as told by intothepit, 808 and johnny) then stop commenting unless you have something positive and non-troll to say.
sixdegrees 12.01.19	*you're
Asdfp277 12.02.19	sup y'all
Asdfp277 12.02.19	thank u
Sinternet 12.02.19	we did it lads we saved tranta
Josh D. 12.05.19	This one nerd ass list might usually start inane conversations, although lately it's taming yawns.
Egarran 12.05.19	Well hello, Mister Sunshine.
Egarran 12.05.19	Mind=blown. I'm not worthy.
Josh D. 12.05.19	thank you

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