STIGMATIZED
08.14.22 | Feel free to contribute or argue lmao |
Drifter
08.14.22 | i like the term spiritcore but as far as mgk (who ive never jammed just heard bits) goes, i feel like its still distinctly pop punk even if its not very good lol |
Dedes
08.14.22 | Im p sure bands like Botch are the reason the term Mathcore is used |
STIGMATIZED
08.14.22 | It's really hard for me to look at blink-182 and that entire Drive-Thru generation of acts and think "MGK is pop punk, yeah!" It doesn't sit well with me. Especially with the production yk? I would not call "my ex's best friend" pop punk and idk a lot of the genre has a different tone/vibe compared to the past? Idk I understand your argument however, but it struggles to cut it completely. |
STIGMATIZED
08.14.22 | yeah botch popularised mathcore as a scene but it's general sonic impacts and legacy was on metalcore |
PotsyTater
08.14.22 | Im p sure bands like Botch are the reason the term Mathcore is used [2] |
PotsyTater
08.14.22 | “ It's really hard for me to look at blink-182 and that entire Drive-Thru generation of acts and think "MGK is pop punk, yeah!"”
Genres change over time. |
STIGMATIZED
08.14.22 | okay I will compromise; yes, that branch definitely has more "variety" in one song and not just stuck one thing. Yes mathcore. But again |
Drifter
08.14.22 | i didnt know atdt were called pop punk lol i thought they were pxhc
pop punk has had overly polished stuff for a long time now though especially in the 00s |
Sinternet
08.14.22 | deprevo punk |
STIGMATIZED
08.14.22 | @potsytater yes truth. I was trying to think moreso on the other half of things where it's more poppy but for the most part yes he is definitely "pop punk". Just wanted to have an extended branch for it because it doesn't feel as "grounded" yk? It's atypical |
Shemson
08.14.22 | Genres are wide and often multi encompassing.
Britney Spears and Michael Jackson are both undeniably ‘Pop Music’ but are potentially even further apart than Killswitch and Botch. |
Shemson
08.14.22 | 1. I’ve always called popcore
2. The difference is original metalcore and mainstream metalcore
3. Is just crap so I’m not too worried about it |
STIGMATIZED
08.14.22 | even so there are connections to something or a base. Idk. Hell, I still think Turnstile's "Glow On" is hardcore despite the fact it is literally stylically everywhere.
You have a point. |
Dedes
08.14.22 | Black metal encompasses this p well, as the actual umbrella term ranges from borderline shoegaze material (Alcest, maybe Deafheaven) to lofi lightning in a bottle acts like Blasphemy.
Granted regional scenes to develop their own terminology in such a case but tbh the subgenre of a subgenre debates are a bit ludicrous imo. |
STIGMATIZED
08.14.22 | I avoid "popcore" because of "easycore" ig
Also the thing is you sound sorta pretentious when you say "original Metalcore" like you're some sort of boomer reflecting on "the good old days" lmao |
Shemson
08.14.22 | Lol as a 33 year old the ‘good old days’ for me was definitely mainstream metalcore, got into the originals after.
Don’t really mean it pretentiously, they just came first, the way that original prog would be Yes rather than Dream Theater |
STIGMATIZED
08.14.22 | even so, you have the "blackgaze" label for the shoegaze/black metal thing, which attaches it to one thing first before the other.
subgenre arguments are dumb but then, where do genres or subgenres "begin"? That's sort of how I see it. |
STIGMATIZED
08.14.22 | but isn't dream theater prog metal mainly and yes prog rock idk slsnbsbsussjb yes I get you |
Shemson
08.14.22 | They became more metal but before Train Of Thought they were definitely more prog, especially Images And Words |
STIGMATIZED
08.14.22 | true. Never really considered it because of the production however, which is characteristically "metal" |
Dedes
08.14.22 | @stigmatized
Yeah I see your point there. I suppose I myself wouldn't know how to categorize things outside of the metal realm considering I am not too well learned on non-metal/core genres.
I think that while these new classifications are probably well reasoned it's just a matter of "can this tag catch on?". It's not often a new terminology emerges tbh |
STIGMATIZED
08.14.22 | an alternative argument to things would be, idk, "sub-label" or "sub scene" view on things, whereby musical styles are associated by the record label or local scene, e.g. "Rise-core", "Victory-core", Drive-Thru punk" and "So-cal punk", etc. etc. The plot thickens doesn't it? |
STIGMATIZED
08.14.22 | idk lmao considering the lack of media hype on rock and metal by the world of news as a general whole because of the decline of rock's popularity from 2010 onwards, I don't think there will be as much labelling these days |
rockarollacola
08.14.22 | "HEADSTRONG"
"Headstrong" is the genre title for the song "Headstrong" but alt metal outfit TRAPT. |
SlothcoreSam
08.14.22 | You just need to add the word proto to the genre, for a band that was performing it before it was labeled, ég. proto-metalcore.
Or use 1st wave, 2nd wave etc for defining genres over the ages. |
Dedes
08.14.22 | When will slothcore become a genre tag, Sam? |
TheSpaceMan
08.14.22 | agreed with this list |
Tyler.
08.14.22 | can you rec me some spirit core |
STIGMATIZED
08.15.22 | is that a challenge? Well... Challenge accepted. Seriously |
STIGMATIZED
08.15.22 | also trapt is not even "headstrong" can we call that genre "victimcore", where privelaged people complain about "free speech" while failing to recognise that they are a douchebag lmao
Actually that's on the list fuck kt |
Veldin
08.16.22 | Soulpunk, mathgaze, grindfunk |
Veldin
08.16.22 | RHYTHM AND BRUISE |
Supercoolguy64
08.16.22 | “Heavy metalcore”
Just call the pop stuff “shitcore” that will help differentiate everything |
sixdegrees
08.17.22 | sporkcore- ars' 5s |
sixdegrees
08.17.22 | 🥂 |
STIGMATIZED
08.17.22 | @supercoolguy
I know but let's be less polemic about it for a change |
Minortimbo12
08.17.22 | Stone
Heavy Iron |
STIGMATIZED
08.17.22 | big iron |
Mort.
08.18.22 | skronk |
Minortimbo12
08.18.22 | eighty'score |
SharkTooth
08.19.22 | would the new Shinedown be considered victimcore? |
STIGMATIZED
08.20.22 | Yes. I tried to listen to them but they literally turned me off immediately when I heard the sound of amdness. Yes of course they would be |
SharkTooth
08.21.22 | Cool.
Also Eric Clapton should've gotten a big mention. He's a twat |
GiaNXGX
08.21.22 | imo trapt is a bit more "blackened" metalcore, it's the first time I hear the term victimcore, gr8 list |
STIGMATIZED
09.09.22 | most cursed comment on this thread ^ |