accompliceofmydeath: Internet Bullying

BeardedIdiot 10.07.10	I don't get this "internet bullying" thing. Someonem who you never met and probably never will meet, calls you a fag on the internet. And then suddenly, your world comes crashing down... people need to learn that not everything said on the internet is serious business
NeroCorleone80 10.07.10	Never understood why anyone could be offended by merely words on a screen
accompliceofmydeath 10.07.10	I know, I just don't understand it. Granted, I'm not 13, but I remember calling my friends "gay" and stuff back then and we're still doing alright. There should be some sort of class everyone takes before going on the internet and they teach that IT'S THE FUCKING INTERNET!.
qwe3 10.07.10	depends on whether or not you know them irl or what its about etc. i mean if they memed me i'd be pretty fucked
BallsToTheWall 10.07.10	"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me." Clearly false, words generally end up hurting people more. I too was guilty of internet ribbing at one point but you gotta man up eventually.
geng 10.07.10	I think there's a difference between bullying on sites like Sputnik which is all very trivial, and bullying on Facebook which has actual connotations for real life.
fr33convict 10.07.10	I dont see the big deal with general name calling and whatnot, however, there's certain things (I was reading it in the forums a while ago when i was banned- can't find it now, something about a kid in the closet having a sextape of him with another man stream live over the Internet by his best friends. He killed himself) that are horrible, even over the Internet.
BallsToTheWall 10.07.10	Heard about that convict. Very messed up indeed.
Apollo 10.07.10	"I think there's a difference between bullying on sites like Sputnik which is all very trivial, and bullying on Facebook which has actual connotations for real life." smartest thing said so far
Masochist 10.07.10	"people calling a non-gay person a fag on Facebook is worthless." Of course that's worthless...but if someone who you've never met goes to your school (or a school nearby) and tells you on Facebook they're going to fuck you up the next day, shit gets real. Kids on Facebook openly post their information, and most of them don't even know how to block people from commenting on their page or sending them a message. No, it's nothing to kill yourself over, but depending on the circumstance (and circumstance always comes into play), it can be a very serious problem.
couldwinarabbit 10.07.10	Internet bullying is a real problem that is why I am so fucking nice. geng is right though
TheNewWhack 10.07.10	Disable your fb wall. Done. That was really hard.
BeardedIdiot 10.07.10	Disable FB wall? but where they will post their angsty life-stories?! Seriously, kids grow up so sheltered these days, they can't handle a single insult, doesn't matter if it's a joke or not.
Masochist 10.07.10	Hey, TheNewWhack, haven't seen you in a while. And it's not the wall, it's messages that are the problem. I still haven't found a way to disable those from people I don't want to get them from, personally.
bloc 10.07.10	Doesn't matter if you're the toughest mutha out there, persistence can break you.
TheNewWhack 10.07.10	@Masochist, It's been a hot minute since I've posted. I started a family yada, yada, yada. It's good to be back. P.S. fb has a feature under account settings to block users. They can't message you or even view your profile.
BeardedIdiot 10.07.10	This makes me think... Just how many convicted murderers claimed "he slandered me on facebook" as the reason for their crime?
TheNewWhack 10.07.10	Yeah, murder is pretty cool. Without it, we wouldn't have awesome albums by Waking the Cadaver. Missed you Josh.
Thane 10.07.10	I used to get offended by it when I was a kid, now I just laugh at it. Also, I think most new people on Sputnik expect it, so yeah... :p
GulliKyro 10.07.10	I doubt the bullying label is used for people calling other people fags over the net, I assumed that was the default position. Its the open dissemination of personal info and misuse that will get you. This is why its best to be a cypher. This site seems pretty harmless on that end from what I've seen.
ConsiderPhlebas 10.07.10	The vast majority of internet bullying is done by groups of adolescents to someone they know and want to inflict misery upon. Becoming the focus of malicious intent hardly equates to 'just words on a screen'. Language is an incredibly powerful tool, unless you're a retarded ape, of course.
TheNewWhack 10.07.10	http://www.ehow.com/how_2031204_block-people-facebook.html
SeaAnemone 10.07.10	remember when chan internet-bullied Bulldog with that review review?
Emim 10.07.10	People have killed themselves from real life bullies too. I hate when people think that just because it's the internet they can do and say whatever they want; it still affects people. The only difference is I can't lay you out for calling me a fag over the web.
DiceMan 10.07.10	Doesn't really matter on sputnik but blocking someone who harasses you on facebook is probably a smart idea. Unless you like the attention of course. I don't think it's that big of a deal unless you're exploiting something that someone is really sensitive about (for example, sexual orientation) but even then it's usually just blown out of proportion.
JWT155 10.07.10	I find it repulsive that the kid who streamed the vid may now face 5 years of prison for this kids decision to kill himself. While I agree it's indecent, it's not his fault that the kid took his life. Believe people with agendas to regulate the internet for their own self-interests will use this to support their own pre-set agendas.
SeaAnemone 10.07.10	wow JWT. very telling.
SeaAnemone 10.07.10	"it's not his fault that the kid took his life" actually it kinda is. hence the supposed facing 5 years in prison.
Inveigh 10.07.10	well 5 years is pretty extensive. are we going to go back and prosecute every person who was mean to a suicidal teen? I mean, this is a bit different (posting a sextape), but is it any different than someone who leaks a celebrity sextape? In the legal sense, I mean.
Inveigh 10.07.10	also, this is an extreme example, but if Bulldog had killed himself (thank God he didn't obviously -- nor did he really seem to care), would you advocate sending Chan to prison for half of a decade?
SeaAnemone 10.07.10	he didn't call the kid a fag, lol. he planted a video in the dorm room, witnessed this kid in the act of having homosexual sex, and then posted it online for the entire school to see, with intention to humiliate and degrade, to an extreme extent. I'd say that's different than "calling him a fag."
accompliceofmydeath 10.07.10	I think the person sexual orientation plays a large part as well. If that kid had been caught with a girl, I doubt this would be happening.
Inveigh 10.07.10	whoa I didn't know he was the one who hid the camera -- that changes things. I thought the guy filmed himself having sex and it just got out somehow. ok yeah then it's different.
Enotron 10.07.10	jwt he's facing prison for the content he posted without permission, he actually broke several laws with that stream
geng 10.07.10	Never heard of this case so I'm guessing it happened in the US, but if the kid hadn't killed himself, would the guy who posted the tape still deserve to be put in prison? It's a really douchebag move but its not illegal (I'm assuming there were no copyright issues).
fr33convict 10.07.10	Glad some people know what I was referring to.
Inveigh 10.07.10	well the breaking and entering, stalking and sexual assault charges should hold up (yes, I believe it is sexual assualt to film someone having sex without their knowledge and/or permission)
JWT155 10.07.10	I wasn't referrring to the specific event, merely making a speculation which you missed but now I'll run with the actual case. So he videotaped and actually streamed the sexual act to humiliate and degrade and in return the kid took his life. I'm arguing that through the law what if the same exact thing occurred but the recipient didn't take his life? Should that person receive just as harsh of a penalty then the kid who now faces 5 years even though the outcomes are completely different? Both acts are identical, I just find that in these 2 cases, even though the real resulted in a death and the hypothetical does not, both should be punished the same because their actions are identical.
Enotron 10.07.10	uh yes geng it very much was illegal
SeaAnemone 10.07.10	geng: yes, he would. as eno said, he posted things on the internet illegally. the aftermath only adds to it.
accompliceofmydeath 10.07.10	They were roommates in a dorm though, I think. @Inveigh
geng 10.07.10	My bad, kind of forgot about all the other stuff. That's slightly surplus to this particular argument though, I thought the issue was whether or not the video poster should be held accountable for the other guy's suicide.
Inveigh 10.07.10	ok so no breaking and entering. you still can't film someone without their permission, and if you were filming something of a sexual nature then it becomes a sexual crime. posting on the internet adds to the original charges. Think about the guy who took pictures of Erin Andrews (ESPN reporter) while she was naked in a hotel room -- he went to jail. so yeah this douchebag deserves everything he gets. I take back my previous statements.
SeaAnemone 10.07.10	JWT: obviously, yes. let me put it this way for you... a person is speeding on a city street, 20 mph above the limit. he gets pulled over. ticket ensues. same situation, except a person walks out into the street and is hit by the driver while the driver is speeding. manslaughter charges ensue. not sure if that metaphor is perfect, but hopefully it makes a little sense?
geng 10.07.10	That's different, the speeding car is what physically causes the death. With this case the guy doesn't die from watching the video, he commits the physical act of killing himself due to embarassment caused by the publication of the tape.
JWT155 10.07.10	Your metaphor doesn't work at all. while operating a vehicle you are responsible at all times, when I say, write or post a video about someone I am not responsible or in control of their reactions. 123 @ Geng, my point exactly.
SeaAnemone 10.07.10	you're right, dumb metaphor. anyway, the kid posted it with obvious intent to disperse and ultimately, harm the other kid. so yes, he is responsible for this at least partly.
geng 10.07.10	It's actually an analogy, not a metaphor js.
SeaAnemone 10.07.10	fuck you're right I feel dumb.
JWT155 10.07.10	I mean what if my GF caught me cheating with a girl and then left and moved on with life? What if instead she killed herself, her killing herself was because of my actions, should I be put on trial now? My initial comments seemed harsh and in-humane but I was merely referring to that I don't don't think the outcome of the kid's unfortunate death should affect his punishment.
Inveigh 10.07.10	well, I don't think the dude is getting charged with the other guy's suicide... he's probably just getting charged with the crimes he committed. Now, if two people commit the same crime, which carries a sentence of between 3 and 5 years, and the first person's crime doesn't end in someone else dying -- he might get the 3. but if the other guy did the same thing, he might get the 5, and that seems to be an acceptable solution. Look at Michael Vick, there were multple NFL players before him convicted of running dog-fighting rings, and none of them saw jail time, at least not more than a week of it. Vick commits the same crime, but because he is more famous and looked up to as a role model by more people, he spends a full TWO YEARS in a federal prison. Same situation, right?
Inveigh 10.07.10	JWT: you cheating on your gf is not a crime. filming someone without their consent is a crime, and posting a video of someone on the internet without their consent is another crime.
Winsomniac 10.07.10	I used to get teased a lot as a kid, so while insults may still offend me, they're never nearly bad enough to ruin my entire day, much less make me suicidal, lol.
SeaAnemone 10.07.10	the suicide was 100% directly related to the kid posting the video, which was posted with intent to harm. did you cheat in order TO harm your girlfriend, or to try and cause her to commit suicide? I have absolutely 0 facts on this, I've never studied a case like this, I'm really just presuming.
porch 10.07.10	"I mean what if my GF caught me cheating with a girl and then left and moved on with life? What if instead she killed herself, her killing herself was because of my actions, should I be put on trial now?" yeah too bad that's completely fucking different in every way from the case being discussed
Inveigh 10.07.10	porch you're back! also you seem to be the only one with the same viewpoint on this as me. the fact is that a CRIME was committed, whether or not the kid committed suicide. The suicide just made people aware of the crime.
JWT155 10.07.10	It was a poor example... eh.
Inveigh 10.07.10	my point being that even if JWT cheated on his girlfriend with the intent of hurting her feelings to the point of suicide, he still couldnt' be charged with a crime because cheating on a gf isn't illegal. and it would be damn near impossible to prove he was attempting to convince her to kill herself without some sort of manifesto/journal/diary where he wrote down the words "i'm going to cheat on my gf so that she kills herself"
SeaAnemone 10.07.10	yeah I give up. Inveigh is by far making the best points here. I'm a blabbering idiot arguing the wrong thing on the right side. and JWT I don't even know.
geng 10.07.10	Obviously filming and publishing a video of someone without their consent is illegal and should be prosecuted. Man, Sputnik is getting philosophical tonight.
JWT155 10.07.10	My example was more to demonstrate how you shouldn't be responsible for someone else's free will after you've done something, whether or not it was illegal or malicious in intent.
Inveigh 10.07.10	nah I think you just got caught up in the semantics of all these different analogies/examples Sea no blathering idiocy
Enotron 10.07.10	idk if the kid didn't kill himself he could probably take his roommate to civil court or judge judy or something like that
GulliKyro 10.07.10	The "you make your own decisions" argument JWT postulates is so amorphous it could be used on almost every single criminal act, its a non starter really. All the charges are directly linked to the accused actions anyway, there is no manslaughter charge so far.
Inveigh 10.07.10	well the car example actually kind of makes sense, but maybe just change it around. for example, if someone runs out in front of my car and I hit them, causing their death, there's a chance I could be exonerated in court if they can prove I didn't have time to stop. However, whether I had time to stop or not, if I had enough alcohol in my system to be over the legal limit I would be charged with vehicular manslaughter.
BeardedIdiot 10.07.10	Butting into the middle of intelligent discussion: isn't the kid being charged for invasion of privacy (or something, I'm not good with law terms)? which is a serious crime on it's of, the fact that the other guy commited suicide over that only will make the possible punishment more severe?
BeardedIdiot 10.07.10	semi-music related discussion: the guy who killed himself was a talented violinist. or so I heard
Winsomniac 10.07.10	VICTORY IS YOURS. But seriously, in difficult moral situations like this, there are often no definitive answers/solutions/terms of right and wrong, and even when there are, they are very difficult to fully argue for. The situation itself is so specific that even if you were to be able to discern who is right and who is at fault, it wouldn't apply to the broader issue that the Tyler Clementi case brings up. Overall, we should all just try to be nicer, mang.
tapitforever 10.07.10	maybe though i bet it would be pretty traumatizing for THAT to be the way that your beautiful dark twisted secret is revealed
BeardedIdiot 10.07.10	On a serious note: I really wonder why being outed as a homosexual was the ultimate reason to commit suicide? i mean it's not middle-ages, and it's not eastern Europe. Gay rights movements here often cite USA as the example of tolerance, etc.
fr33convict 10.07.10	Cause he was in college and he was bound to be obliterated by the other dudes cause he had a gay sex tape streamed over the Internet.
Spec 10.07.10	I got a lot of shit as a kid and learned to handle myself now. So no, nothing said on here really affects me.
Emim 10.07.10	Whole argument is stupid, from both sides. Just kiss and get it over with.
GorgonzolaCheese1 10.07.10	I'm so tired of people bullying the internet, too. It's not like it can fight back or anything. I'm guilty of it, too. Whenever it slows down or tells me it's tired, I scream at it, call it names, physically abuse it.... It needs to stop.
kangaroopoo 10.08.10	Whatever we think, depression is still an ever growing problem in all age groups, leading to 1 million deaths a year. Suicide globally is in the top 3 deaths for 15-24 year olds. A bit of empathy, restraint, walking in other people's shoes would go some way. We all like a bit of wit, stirring and humour but it's the incessant, vicious harassment within a family, school or work place that tips some people over. Not everyone is thick skinned, so people just have to sense when to step back. Unauthorised streaming of a sex video you hooked up of a most likely in the closet youth is never going to end up well. Deserves what they get for stupidity alone.
RainCat 10.08.10	it must be suicide season AMIRITE?!
ShadowRemains 10.08.10	...that really wasn't funny raincat...
accompliceofmydeath 10.08.10	I see the suicide pact got removed, probably for the better.
fr33convict 10.08.10	Damn now how am I supposed to sell my spots?
sniper 10.08.10	Guy who posted that video should go to jail for a lot longer than 5 years.
accompliceofmydeath 10.08.10	sniper, bringin' down the mood...
PuddlesPuddles 10.08.10	Invasion of privacy at the least
JWT155 10.08.10	If the kid was a freshman maybe he was still 17, kiddie porn.
JWT155 10.08.10	I agree with guest, they're probably the most hated people in Jersey right now (that's saying a lot too) and they're lives are already changed forever as well.
SeaAnemone 10.08.10	yeah c'mon guys I'm sure they learned their lesson don't worry about justice the kid was super-sad already I heard lol
SeaAnemone 10.08.10	I was being facetious. Assuming that the kid was "obviously depressed" earlier is fucking rude. Saying the perpetrators should be exempt from the justice system because of their poor reputations is really fucking rude.
Emim 10.08.10	The choice for suicide was completely up to the one that committed it. That said, the harassment caused by the other party and the no doubt several laws broken during the making and distribution of said video cannot be overlooked or downplayed. obvious is obvious
climactic 10.08.10	The kids who posted the vid are messed up y0
Emim 10.08.10	Stable and happy people don't kill themselves, js
SeaAnemone 10.08.10	someguest, if that's the case then- my mistake, from the way you worded it with "Obviously..." I thought you had just assumed that he was depressed before ... which brings me to... JWT. don't. obviously the release of the video MADE this kid unstable, but assuming he was unstable in general before the instance is unnecessary.
JWT155 10.08.10	I didn't say that now did I.
SeaAnemone 10.08.10	then what was the point of your post at all? to say that suicide is connected to mental anguish?
Emim 10.08.10	I think it was just to say that a person operating under a normal frame of mind would not kill themselves. It's not the logical nor natural thing to do.
JWT155 10.08.10	No, it was to point out he was obviously not stable to take his own life; and yes I'd say most people who take their lives are in a "mental anguish" where they aren't thinking clearly and make rash decisions they probably wouldn't have if they had time to cool down and think things over.
Emim 10.08.10	Do you handle burial services as well?
porch 10.09.10	"i'd say most people who take their lives are in a "mental anguish" where they aren't thinking clearly and make rash decisions they probably wouldn't have if they had time to cool down and think things over." well, you'd be wrong. actually most people who commit suicide agonize over the decision and plan it for a long time, it's not an impulsive decision for them. especially in times like this when so many people are unemployed and don't really have any prospects for the future. and people who make spur of the moment decisions to end their life are generally less likely to make a successful attempt. "I don't get this "internet bullying" thing. Someonem who you never met and probably never will meet, calls you a fag on the internet. And then suddenly, your world comes crashing down..." no, not really. the victims in a lot of these cases are kids who are also being bullied by people they know in real life. and lol at people using sputnik as an example of internet bullying "On a serious note: I really wonder why being outed as a homosexual was the ultimate reason to commit suicide? i mean it's not middle-ages, and it's not eastern Europe. Gay rights movements here often cite USA as the example of tolerance, etc" god you're an idiot
ConsiderPhlebas 10.09.10	the example of tolerance
americanmusicmachine 10.09.10	hey guys what's going on?
Emim 10.09.10	I think both sides are making generalizations now. One side postulating that it's a rash decision, and the other saying it's long and drawn out.
CelestialDust 10.09.10	i transferred to rutgers last year... it's not a very loving community from my experience...i'd say at least 80% of people here are homophobes. even the bus drivers are dicks. i'm not surprised by the tyler clementi story at all
CelestialDust 10.09.10	also the place makes you feel like an insignificant little ant
ConsiderPhlebas 10.09.10	Sounds fucking heinous, man
CelestialDust 10.09.10	great research university though, that's why i'm there
mushroomlover 10.10.10	yeah well it's kind of stupid that the mods didn't care about Chan internet-bullying Boodawg but as soon as i make fun of their shitty blog i get banned. hahahaha
promiseswept 04.08.11	none of it on here gets to me, on fb though i would probably take it more seriously
Pecoraro 04.08.11	internet bullying is kind of thing like making a list advertising someones facebook to strangers, which i would never do