Iamthe Nightstars: No Alcohol For 30 Days

Iamthe Nightstars 03.20.14	Shouldn't be that hard.
Spec 03.20.14	I did a month without alcohol, weed or anything. Unfortunately didn't feel any happier but you learn to talk to people while sober.
Spec 03.20.14	I've slowed way the fuck down recently though. Like to a normal person level.
SeaAnemone 03.20.14	yeah I spent about 2 months this year not drinking, mostly just cuz ~healthy~ if it's that much of a struggle to take a few weeks off from drinking chances are you should probably be giving it up for longer
gypsyrick 03.20.14	God damn, dude. Good luck. I get wine for free from downstairs (theft) and I wish I didn't because I drink on weekdays and it's bad news.
AnotherBrick 03.20.14	i gave up drinking on the weekdays...and then spring break hit
someguest 03.20.14	I gave up drinking last week too because I was about to spiral out of control. I had a fifth of Bacardi in a two hour period at my place of employment, tried to beat the shit out of some guy, and drove home.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	you will surely parish
AnotherBrick 03.20.14	i took down a fifth of sailor jerrys last night. im so fucking hung over still
someguest 03.20.14	everything social I've done for the last two years has included alcohol I figured I spent somewhere between 5 and 6 grand on booze last year
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	sometimes i wonder where the thin line between 'alcoholic' and 'not an alcoholic' lays
AnotherBrick 03.20.14	yeah i dont even want to think about that, thats fucking depressing
avonbarksdale221 03.20.14	tried to have a month off once, caved after two and a bit weeks. hope you have stronger willpower than I do.
climactic 03.20.14	anotherbrick sighting
Relinquished 03.20.14	in the space of time between when the liquor hits the mouth
chemicalmarriage 03.20.14	I drank a liter of wild turkey and babysat some kids.
gypsyrick 03.20.14	I've stopped smoking weed on weekdays to help with dream recall (which has been fantastic) but I still feel the need to steal and drink at least two bottles of wine a week. . . It's a nightmare, but I love it.
AnotherBrick 03.20.14	hey friend
DominionMM1 03.20.14	"I figured I spent somewhere between 5 and 6 grand on booze last year" i'm curious as to how one can spend that much on hooch
someguest 03.20.14	that's only 100 bucks a week
ffs 03.20.14	everything is suicide inducingly boring when you're sober, i suggest taking up some kind of hobby
Hyperion1001 03.20.14	whenever you want a drink workout, eventually your body will associate the endorphin rush with the same rush you get when you consume alcohol plus working out makes you feel gr8
ffs 03.20.14	that is good advice, or you could try meth
Spec 03.20.14	meth [2]
someguest 03.20.14	boxing or meth, either way you're losing your teeth
Hyperion1001 03.20.14	lol i was trying to come up with a witty retort but im not that funny so ill just resort to saying lol
DominionMM1 03.20.14	"that's only 100 bucks a week" yeah I guess when it's broken down like that it doesn't seem like pissing away a ton of cash
avonbarksdale221 03.20.14	I got nothing so lol [2]
Deathconscious 03.20.14	"Probably for the best since I've basically been an alcoholic since I turned 21." youre probably not an alcoholic, i think thats just being 21.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	"but I still feel the need to steal and drink at least two bottles of wine a week. . . It's a nightmare, but I love it." yeah free wine sounds like a nightmare for sure 'that's only 100 bucks a week' "only"
KriegdemKriege 03.20.14	Seriously though, if you can't go thirty days without alcohol you have a problem. You should probably rethink your life.
Spec 03.20.14	That's why I always wear a mouth guard whether I'm boxing or smoking meth.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	"Seriously though, if you can't go thirty days without alcohol you have a problem. You should probably rethink your life." douchebag comment is douchy
someguest 03.20.14	""only"" It's a lot, but he made it sound like an astronomical amount. The thing that really stinks is once you quit drinking all your drinking friends stop hanging around. It has only been a week and no one is calling.
AtomicShane 03.20.14	they don't sound like trve friends breh
someguest 03.20.14	lol, true friends don't exist people are people
KriegdemKriege 03.20.14	It's not even a douchebag comment though.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	"lol, true friends don't exist people are people" douchebag comment is douchy [2] ;p lol yeah its not an astronomical amount but thats 400 bucks on booze a month, almost as much as rent and about as much as i spend on groceries. i couldnt spend 100 bucks on booze in a weekend unless it was at a bar, thats a way different story. but spending 100 at a liquor store a week? i can get trashed as fuck for the entire weekend with much less and liquor prices are through the roof more expensive here than they are anywhere in the states or pretty much anywhere else in canada for that matter
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	"It's not even a douchebag comment though." there are about 10 reasons that come to mind on how it is definitely a douchbag comment
Calc 03.20.14	i'm going on 1825 days and my mood has been great
someguest 03.20.14	"but spending 100 at a liquor store a week? i can get trashed as fuck for the entire weekend with much less and liquor prices are through the roof more expensive here than they are anywhere in the states or pretty much anywhere else in canada for that matter" it was always at bars because I don't drink by myself
KriegdemKriege 03.20.14	Give me 2 reasons plz
cliiint 03.20.14	some guy on drugforums suggest i try kratom to slow down my drinking. it worked, haven't had more than a handful of beers in the last year. aaannd spend 200 bucks a week on kratom. dont do kratom
climactic 03.20.14	Pussy
facupm 03.20.14	good luck i cant drink now cause im having some health issues
DominionMM1 03.20.14	"thats 400 bucks on booze a month, almost as much as rent and about as much as i spend on groceries. i couldnt spend 100 bucks on booze in a weekend unless it was at a bar, thats a way different story. but spending 100 at a liquor store a week?" i'm guessing most of that is spent in bars. and fuck I miss the days of paying less than $400 for rent.
InbredJed 03.20.14	"and fuck I miss the days of paying less than $400 for rent." this. the first time I stopped for a month, I saved $1000. Then I bought a PS3 and started again m/
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	"Give me 2 reasons plz" just two? 1. 'drinking' is an extremely vague use of the word. not being able to go a month without having one single beer at a bar with the homies when u are someone who casually drinks often but rarely gets drunk is one situation where it makes ur comment douchie. there are thousands of contextual elements that make it differ from person to person 2. "You should probably rethink your life" irrelevantly dramatic and douchie theres two reasons
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	"it was always at bars because I don't drink by myself" because buying liquor at liquor stores = drinking by yourself.................. wait
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	"aaannd spend 200 bucks a week on kratom. dont do kratom" kratom is shit
KriegdemKriege 03.20.14	1. Of course there are many different circumstances that involve drinking, but my statement remains true. If you cannot go 30 days without alcohol, you have a problem. Fact. There's nothing douchey about saying that. 2. Not dramatic at all. You can't give "it's douchie" as a reason for me being douchey. Try again.
sniper 03.20.14	i gave up alcohol for 30 days once when my doctor was trying to figure out the cause of recurring stomach pain i was experiencing (it's an ulcer, yay!). it wasn't that hard not to drink tbh, and i love my beer.
InbredJed 03.20.14	Pots you watch Withnail and I yet? that was basically my life, minus being a Brit.
cliiint 03.20.14	"kratom is shit" have you tried uei? i have legit nods on an empty stomach.
Spec 03.20.14	What's kratom?
cliiint 03.20.14	mostly shit. but if you find a good batch and swallow a handful of terrible tasting plant powder it's very much like a hydrocodone buzz. just all natural tho
sniper 03.20.14	i mean opium is natural so why not skip the kratom and go to the source of actual hydro
LambsBread 03.20.14	this might not be good advice but if i were you i would smoke weed
KriegdemKriege 03.20.14	"This might not be good advice, but..." You were right!
sniper 03.20.14	this is probably good advice but if i were you i would refrain from replacing drinking with a different drug since this is supposed to be a method of improving your mental health :)
cliiint 03.20.14	"i mean opium is natural so why not skip the kratom and go to the source of actual hydro" frequent drug tests? "this might not be good advice but if i were you i would smoke weed" thats your solution for everything
cliiint 03.20.14	"this is probably good advice but if i were you i would refrain from replacing drinking with a different drug since this is supposed to be a method of improving your mental health :)" yup
LambsBread 03.20.14	Good advice would be Yoga. If you think you are too cool for yoga, just smoke some weed. It's so much less harmful on an everyday basis than alcohol plus you can actually just relax instead of having to fuck or fight someone every night of your life.
itsalltherage 03.20.14	Dude seriously, just smoke weed instead. Last thing I'm thinking about after a bong hit is taking a swig of booze. Even if that's ironically what I ended up doing while my mates sung me happy birthday for my 18th lol. But yer seriously, as a former teenage alcholic who either had to have 1 drink or 20 - I've seen & experienced both the positive & negative aspects of regular binging. Since I started smoking weed though, I've grown to eventually realise that the cons vastly outweigh the pros - & therefore just quite simply don't see the point in getting trashed all the time anymore tbh. Would much rather get blazed & play guitar or jam my favourite tunes or have some chilled conversation or game instead of getting fucked & going to a shitty obnoxious club with shitty obnoxious music for what's probably going to be a pretty average night at best; unless you're really just desperate for clunge. Only way you'll get me in a club these days is if you bring Mandy & Molly with you... That being said - I'm at a point where I have the self-control to indulge whenever I do feel like having a few drinks in social situations which is still nice occasionally. Same goes for fags. It's all about realising that you're the only one control of what you consume at the end of the day. If you're going to be ignorant or plain stupid about it - then you're going to deal with the consequences of that as with most things in life.
DominionMM1 03.20.14	"having to fuck or fight someone every night of your life." you do realize you're talking about a very small percentage of people who consume alcohol right?
LambsBread 03.20.14	This is a major reason why weed should be legal, despite what can be said in criticism on weed, it is a life-saving alternative to alcoholism.
LambsBread 03.20.14	"you do realize you're talking about a very small percentage of people who consume alcohol right?" Im talking about alcoholics specifically.
DominionMM1 03.20.14	believe me there are plenty who don't actively pursue either
InbredJed 03.20.14	weed is far from harmless. in small amounts its medicine, but in regular doses it becomes a poison.
Calc 03.20.14	"it is a life-saving alternative to alcoholism." you know what else is? knitting, boxing, dog walking, guitar playing, baby sitting... and literally every other activity, why does it have to be one harmful substance for another?
avonbarksdale221 03.20.14	If you start smoking every day instead of drinking, aren't you just switching addictions?
robertsona 03.20.14	well sure but whatever your opinion of either activity surely a qualitative judgment must fit in there. certain addictions are better than others
LambsBread 03.20.14	I never said weed was harmless, only harmless relatively compared to alcohol.
LambsBread 03.20.14	"you know what else is? knitting, boxing, dog walking, guitar playing, baby sitting..." sure but if none of those work, its dooby time
ffs 03.20.14	dying isnt that bad guys wtf
LambsBread 03.20.14	It still causes short term memory loss, and temporary paranoia if you vaporize weed.
Nocturnal 03.20.14	I decided to quit drinking and smoking recently, I actually made a list about it yesterday lol.
NakedSnake 03.20.14	lol at this thread.
itsalltherage 03.20.14	Of course inhaling combusted plant matter isn't particularly healthy for you. But is it really any worse than the polluted atmosphere that engulfs most major cities today? As an individual who has lived in such places his entire life, I would have to assume that not to be the case. If we're talking about edible or vaporised form, then I would contest that it is indeed harmless. In my experience - short term memory loss is vastly overexaggerated & something that doesn't really seem to happen for me as a regular toker. & paranoia is literally all in your head. I think what most people who have bad experiences with it don't realise is that your high is directly influenced by your mindset & environment as much as the substance. Regardless - it's certainly no more harmful than the cup(s) of coffee that the vast majority of the world consumes every morning & throughout the rest of the day like clockwork.
Calc 03.20.14	"I never said weed was harmless, only harmless relatively compared to alcohol." either way its harmful to your body let's pretend to recommend this guy alternatives that won't hurt your body/temple maybe?
DominionMM1 03.20.14	"I'm a business analyst project manager for and auditing department" did you get that memo about the tps reports?
LambsBread 03.20.14	"Bro I'm a business analyst project manager for and auditing department which requires tons of memory focus. I think not. " knowing your memory is good, doesn't preclude it couldn't be better, and even if it did it would still be your anecdotal evidence over scientific studies.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	"1. Of course there are many different circumstances that involve drinking, but my statement remains true. If you cannot go 30 days without alcohol, you have a problem. Fact. There's nothing douchey about saying that. 2. Not dramatic at all. You can't give "it's douchie" as a reason for me being douchey. Try again." not dramatic? you cant go a month without having a beer so your only resort is to go existential crisis mode and question your entire life? are you fucking retarded or just fucking retarded? and no, you just agreed that there are many circumstanced which completely contradicts your statement. the whole point is that just because you crave a beer within a 30 day span doesn't mean you have to question your entire life you trash humping moron. if i cant go 30 days without caving having a fucking cup of hot chocolate should i question my existence and have an existential crisis? if you say ur not gonna jack off for 30 days and you fuck up on the 25th and bust a nut all over your blanket are you a sex addict who needs to seriously seek rehabilitation and a new life? people like you who think in black and white like that are my biggest pet peeve, if you say something fucking stupid at least have the decency to step back and say "hey what i said was fucking retarded i see that now, let me revise my stupid ass idiotic comment"
sniper 03.20.14	^^^ i feel you though cap paranoia i def got when used to blaze though, and not even for any ostensibly logical reason, it wasn't like my parents particularly cared, it just made me feel paranoid sometimes. much worse when you don't do it regularly though.
robertsona 03.20.14	this might be reaching but which studies, exactly, link vaporizing weed with "temporary paranoia"--my doubt here is obvious but i'll shut up if i'm wrong; i think it's high (ha!) time we start throwing those studies around if we're gonna be talking like this
KriegdemKriege 03.20.14	"knowing your memory is good, doesn't preclude it couldn't be better, and even if it did it would still be your anecdotal evidence over scientific studies." Solid sentence. I see you've avoided mind-altering substances. (:
sniper 03.20.14	i meant to back lambsbread but i also back pots
KriegdemKriege 03.20.14	"not dramatic? you cant go a month without having a beer so your only resort is to go existential crisis mode and question your entire life? are you fucking retarded or just fucking retarded? and no, you just agreed that there are many circumstanced which completely contradicts your statement. the whole point is that just because you crave a beer within a 30 day span doesn't mean you have to question your entire life you trash humping moron. if i cant go 30 days without caving having a fucking cup of hot chocolate should i question my existence and have an existential crisis? if you say ur not gonna jack off for 30 days and you fuck up on the 25th and bust a nut all over your blanket are you a sex addict who needs to seriously seek rehabilitation and a new life? people like you who think in black and white like that are my biggest pet peeve, if you say something fucking stupid at least have the decency to step back and say 'hey what i said was fucking retarded i see that now, let me revise my stupid ass idiotic comment'" Jesus Pots, this is the most dramatic comment I've ever read on this website. Were you trying to be ironic?
Recspecs 03.20.14	Lol what a piece of shit
sniper 03.20.14	he was clearly making a coherent and reasonable argument (albeit in a needlessly aggressive way), which you are deflecting probably because you have no solid rebuttal.
KriegdemKriege 03.20.14	There was nothing coherent about his statement. I said if you can't go 30 days without alcohol, you have a problem. I stand behind that statement 100%. He's talking about going 30 days without craving alcohol. That's a different story, and one I wasn't discussing. If you physically can't last a month without alcohol, you have issues.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	sorry, its true i shouldnt have got so pissed off but i have so little patience for people like that and yeah nice rebuttal dude great job at defending your fallaciousness
KriegdemKriege 03.20.14	Read?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	"He's talking about going 30 days without craving alcohol. That's a different story, and one I wasn't discussing. If you physically can't last a month without alcohol, you have issues." nope i specifically commented on caving and having a beer or a thousand other scenarios that exist in the infinite space between black and white (and as with literally every argument ever, it is always in the space between black and white).
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	nothing coherent eh, right, like me calling you out on every single part of your stupid argument, god damn people like you make me hate the world im gonna rage quit life and go throw a rock at something
KriegdemKriege 03.20.14	Have a great night guys. This is absurd.
sniper 03.20.14	the point is actually pretty clearly that just because someone has a hard time going without alcohol for 30 days, that doesn't mean they have a problem NECESSARILY. you can argue about semantics ("can't" vs "craving") but the brunt of your argument was that for a healthy person, it should be easy to go without drinking, which is unreasonable imo.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	yeah walk away im comin for u in your sleep
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	also sorry for swearing at you i get mad at the internets sometimes i should have argued with you more politely
sniper 03.20.14	civility is important yeah
robertsona 03.20.14	all I see in there is a misrepresentation of that guy's argument vis-a-vis, as he said, merely craving a beer and drinking one, and comparisons to masturbation and drinking hot chocolate, which, i don't know very much about addiction so i won't call that "fallacious" but does that seem completely analogous? i guess the question here is purely of addiction but the addictive properties of alcohol (or at the very least the propensity it has for abuse in its users) seem to me pretty incommensurate with something like hot chocolate none of this means i agree with the original statement
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	its harder to be civil when arguing on the internet especially when u are arguing about something so obvious
Crymsonblaze 03.20.14	I don't drink However if you take away my ambien, then sad times
sniper 03.20.14	but those examples were not actually his argument, the point was simply that the statement "if you can't go 30 days without alcohol you have a problem" is an oversimplification of a complex issue. graham's fallacies don't correct kriewhatever's fallacies.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	@sona people can develop addictions to anything and the point is that someone who isnt an alcoholic can still have troubles going for 30's without it just like someone can have a hard time going through 30's without a fuckin chocolate bar or some such shit and that doesnt mean you need to question your entire life. Maybe it means you need to question nothing, or that you need to question your priorities, or your habits so on so forth but saying ANYONE who cant go for 30 days without a drink needs to get EXISTENTIAL is just plain stubborn hyperbolic bullshit
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	and yes he was being fallacious, catastrophic expectations.
robertsona 03.20.14	oh yeah fair enough that's a douchey way to put it
robertsona 03.20.14	this might sound like baiting sniper but at what point might you unequivocally agree with a statement like that? does that point exist? it seems to me surely that if you cannot go one day without alcohol you do indeed have a problem. i guess you can never unequivocally pin something like that down but had he lowered the number to such a degree would you have had a problem with it?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	the reason i think it pissed me off is because it seems clear that that is just taking a black and white stance on something that is obviously not like that and also being a college student and being surrounded by people who are every where on the spectrum from casual drinkers to alcoholics of COURSE its difficult to go 30 days without drinking and sometimes you fail if u set out to do that and he basically straight up said "every single one of these people has issues and needs to question their lives" dumb dumb dumb dumb ugh
Rsetness9 03.20.14	may be their should be like a sputnik AA forum or something
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	"this might sound like baiting sniper but at what point might you unequivocally agree with a statement like that? does that point exist? it seems to me surely that if you cannot go one day without alcohol you do indeed have a problem. i guess you can never unequivocally pin something like that down but had he lowered the number to such a degree would you have had a problem with it?" id maintain the exact same stance. its complex and there are thousands of factors. it depends on the day. its, again and ive probably said this way too many times to count at this point, never black and white
sniper 03.20.14	"this might sound like baiting sniper but at what point might you unequivocally agree with a statement like that? does that point exist? it seems to me surely that if you cannot go one day without alcohol you do indeed have a problem. i guess you can never unequivocally pin something like that down but had he lowered the number to such a degree would you have had a problem with it?" yeah this is a good point i'm not sure i believe in unequivocal statements in general.
robertsona 03.20.14	i think i disagree. i mean obviously it's hard to disagree with the whole "no black and white" mantra because indeed life is complex, but if this sort of unmediated subjectivity means we're not allowed to even establish some parameters for what constitutes an "addiction" then that seems dangerous. liiiiike i think regardless of context there are at least a -few- things that indicate in any case a detrimental addiction to a substance, no matter how un-black or un-white you want to paint it
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	[2]
sniper 03.20.14	at least not in contexts like this. obviously there are physical laws i believe in...
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	"i mean obviously it's hard to disagree with the whole "no black and white" mantra because indeed life is complex, but if this sort of unmediated subjectivity means we're not allowed to even establish some parameters for what constitutes an "addiction" then that seems dangerous. " im not saying that, i dont disagree with your points here at all im just saying that overgeneralizing things to A form 'ALL _____ ARE _____' with subject matter like this is just plain insulting
robertsona 03.20.14	yeah fair enough, i probably would argue the other side, i.e. yours, if that guy was still here (cuz--check this shit out brah--i feel like unnuanced, culturally inherited views of addiction and of addicted peoples can seriously and very deeply be tied to draconian drug laws and enforcement and incarceration and etc. etc.). good talk. bedtime
sniper 03.20.14	sure but i would never put something into such stark terms as that. i would actually like to rescind what i said before. there are some choices that are realistically best regarded in terms of black and white. i certainly don't think 30 days without alcohol is one of them though.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	you can certainly establish parameters around that for what constitutes as an addiction but thats getting away from the point at hand and even that conversation doesn't need to have all inclusive and all exclusive language that undermines circumstance
dixoncocks 03.20.14	Make a documentary like Morgan Spurlock.
sniper 03.20.14	i'll just say i am skeptical of unequivocal statements, they're often a sign that the speaker/writer hasn't thought about their argument thoroughly enough.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	"there are some choices that are realistically best regarded in terms of black and white. i certainly don't think 30 days without alcohol is one of them though." i find more and more that i rarely find this. of course there are certain topics where i will start off as a black or white point but when you start breaking things down and discussing the underlying complexities it seems like i almost always start settling on something grey
robertsona 03.20.14	i would def watch a doc of morgan spurlock ingesting only weed brownies and beer for a month
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	actually tho do you happen to have an example of something you feel that would best realistically be regarded in terms of black and white?
sniper 03.20.14	"cuz--check this shit out brah--i feel like unnuanced, culturally inherited views of addiction and of addicted peoples can seriously and very deeply be tied to draconian drug laws and enforcement and incarceration and etc. etc." chuch
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	"i'll just say i am skeptical of unequivocal statements, they're often a sign that the speaker/writer hasn't thought about their argument thoroughly enough." yeah dude i dunno. i honestly LOVE arguing and taking philosophy has been rocking my socks but it has also made me more angry and disturbed by the fact that so many people still hold such relentless views about things they have given literally know thought to and thats where i get pissed right off. i feel bad about getting that pissed at that guy, its hypocritical to get upset, closed minded and become adversarial at someone for doing just that so i fucked the pooch tbh
sniper 03.20.14	" i find more and more that i rarely find this. of course there are certain topics where i will start off as a black or white point but when you start breaking things down and discussing the underlying complexities it seems like i almost always start settling on something grey" the key word in my comment was "realistically." in a more philosophical sense i would agree that nothing is neatly black and white but in real life it often makes sense to resort to blanket statements when there is sufficient reason to make a generalization. i mean if you can't go a few hours without cocaine i think a reasonable person would have to concede that there's a problem with that. maybe not though, like i said, nothing is that simple. but personally there are points where i think it stops being worth arguing, where issues come into focus.
sniper 03.20.14	"yeah dude i dunno. i honestly LOVE arguing and taking philosophy has been rocking my socks but it has also made me more angry and disturbed by the fact that so many people still hold such relentless views about things they have given literally know thought to and thats where i get pissed right off. i feel bad about getting that pissed at that guy, its hypocritical to get upset, closed minded and become adversarial at someone for doing just that so i fucked the pooch tbh" i agree with your issues w that dude's statement but yeah you could benefit from trying not to explode on people. you are a good dude generally just don't fly off the handle. also agree about frustration with people's staunchness about things. i'm not even sure i believe in free will tbh.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	^^^good point right there absolutely. i thought u were referring to some more common big issue topics that people tend to take black and white stances on (you know, politics, gender stuff, religion, death penalty, murder, all that bullshit)
sniper 03.20.14	in other words, i might think it is reasonable to say that a multiple-times daily cocaine habit is a problem, but i would never make the leap of placing any kind of blame on that person, or saying anything like "they should rethink their life." who the fuck am i or anyone to make a call like that
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	and yeah i try not to now honestly full disclosure a year ago i never would have said this but yea i think i get overly aggressive about shit that peeves me on the internet as compensation for the fact that i rarely ever get mad in real life so, complete self awareness here, trying to be less of a dick since my return 100%, would like potsy to be seen as a better reflection of what i am actually like than this persona that at a time was built around confrontation which turned to breed further confrontation because of expectations that it built around itself if that makes any sense. like its really fucking stupid to be quite honest its like i can be a dick on here just because people expect me to be a dick its like yo people expect me to rage here so ill rage and then after its like yeah thats stupid as fuck
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	and agreed again on your second point honestly i think you nailed it
itsalltherage 03.20.14	To be honest - if you literally can't find the willpower to go without a drink for 30 days when it is already an obvious detriment to your life that either yourself or others have made you aware of - then you do have a pretty serious problem. Whether you actually choose to care or not is an entirely different matter altogether. So the existential crisis is optional really. It's exactly the same situation as an obese mcnugget junkie who's been eating his way to an early grave or the WoW player who's glued to his desk for the vast majority of his days - the reality is that you can become addicted to or obssessed about almost anything that's particularly enjoyable on a personal level. It's entirely up to you to set the boundaries & balance of your passions, indulgences & vices to be conducive to your general well-being, satisfaction & quality of life.
sniper 03.20.14	"(you know, politics, gender stuff, religion, death penalty, murder, all that bullshit)" universally undefinable issues like those are never clear-cut. i have opinions about all of those issues, but i try my best to reconsider them constantly. i like to hear other people's arguments in opposition to my own, sometimes i realize how short-sighted or outright misguided my own ideas are. i am always grateful to find out that i was wrong.
sniper 03.20.14	"i think i get overly aggressive about shit that peeves me on the internet as compensation for the fact that i rarely ever get mad in real life so, complete self awareness here" i feel you. lack of face-to-face communication online brings the worst out of people sometimes. the cool thing is that it also facilitates complete openness that is sometimes hard to reach when you are socially invested in your conversational partners (i.e. real life friends).
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	yeah dude i have pretty much dead pan centre thoughts on most of those issues
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	"the cool thing is that it also facilitates complete openness that is sometimes hard to reach when you are socially invested in your conversational partners (i.e. real life friends)." ha the downside of this is that then there is those people who have the worst brought out of them stumbling on people being more open then they would anywhere else and.......... well you know the rest
tommygun 03.20.14	addicted to booze and coffee sup good thread dudes potsy is wise
sniper 03.20.14	i'm not centrist necessarily in a political/ethical sense, but only because there are some crazy positions that people take that are simply not logical (science deniers etc.) but even when i have a strong footing on an issue ideologically i still try to work out the logical positions of others, it makes me more aware and reveals flaws in my own logic, or at least other valid ways of working out what facts actually mean.
sniper 03.20.14	like i am left-leaning politically but i don't pretend to have the only correct answer. especially with stuff like policy there are so many ways to address an issue that to not recognize the potential validity of an opposing viewpoint is just willfully ignorant.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	on that note one thing that pisses a lot of people off about me is how much i hate talking about politics. i cant even be in the same room as hot political debates i start writhing in my own flesh lol
sniper 03.20.14	same here, mostly i argue against everyone though. even my friends with whom i agree ideologically are not spared my rage if they say stuff that's illogical. i think inability to think critically about things is the only trait i find abhorrent in people. ignorance because of lack of knowledge is understandable but unwillingness to reason and learn is so infuriating. i'm obviously guilty of that stuff sometimes, as everyone is, but i try my hardest to catch myself.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	yeah i do not get along with people like that at all. agreed that everyone is guilty of it from time to time but once you are conscious of it its a lot easier to minimize that. a lot of people are just afraid of being wrong but what they dont realize is that being the wrong one means your the person who gets to learn
klap 03.20.14	8/10 people who try hot chocolate get addicted
Trebor. 03.20.14	I went 3 hours without alcohol once
klap 03.20.14	Robert "Lifelong Alcoholic" Lowe
lyzakthellama 03.20.14	I should probably do this but I'm drunk now so I guess I'll start tomorrow!
SitarHero 03.20.14	"not dramatic? you cant go a month without having a beer so your only resort is to go existential crisis mode and question your entire life? are you fucking retarded or just fucking retarded? and no, you just agreed that there are many circumstanced which completely contradicts your statement. the whole point is that just because you crave a beer within a 30 day span doesn't mean you have to question your entire life you trash humping moron. if i cant go 30 days without caving having a fucking cup of hot chocolate should i question my existence and have an existential crisis? if you say ur not gonna jack off for 30 days and you fuck up on the 25th and bust a nut all over your blanket are you a sex addict who needs to seriously seek rehabilitation and a new life? people like you who think in black and white like that are my biggest pet peeve, if you say something fucking stupid at least have the decency to step back and say "hey what i said was fucking retarded i see that now, let me revise my stupid ass idiotic comment"' Hahaha! What?
Trebor. 03.20.14	Been drunk on two seperate occasions today
Trebor. 03.20.14	iamthe nig, mail me your booze
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	wats ur drink of choice treb
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	*alcoholic rob
Trebor. 03.20.14	honestly, whatever's in front of me
sniper 03.20.14	good talk graham
Trebor. 03.20.14	I don't usually drink for taste, just to get fucked up I'll drink straight from the bottle of whatever I don't care
sniper 03.20.14	why are you such a downer you seem like a nice kid slow down
Trebor. 03.20.14	lol I'm the most happy, energetic drunk ever I'm feeling really good lately, haven't felt depressed in like 5 days it's a new record
Wolfhorde 03.20.14	"ignorance because of lack of knowledge is understandable but unwillingness to reason and learn is so infuriating." That needs to be on a protest sign or a stamp. Robert, your taste buds, your liver and your digestive system have my sympathy.
Trebor. 03.20.14	the other night I poored a bunch of jim bean into my beer RIP I think I was messaging Wolfe that night too lol
sniper 03.20.14	that convo w me and pots was sure to attract you at some point wolfhorde glad you feel good rob
Wolfhorde 03.20.14	"that convo w me and pots was sure to attract you at some point wolfhorde" how do you deduce that? sounds like fun times, rob. although jim beam + beer sounds super disgusting.
sniper 03.20.14	i just feel like almost every time i interact with you on this site the conversation eventually (usually quickly) turns toward discussions of reason and logic etc
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	cheers snipe "I don't usually drink for taste, just to get fucked up I'll drink straight from the bottle of whatever I don't care" oy vay. what snipe said.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	"how do you deduce that? " you are wolverines nose when it comes to sniffing out philosophical discussion ;p
sniper 03.20.14	usually because you take someone's casual comments way more literally than necessary but tbh i don't mind it
Wolfhorde 03.20.14	can't really say that I remember to be entirely honest but yeah - entirely possible, I can get pretty verbal and I like me some good discussions. although I'm topically a lot more flexible than logic/reason/philosophical stuff. depends, people take me a lot more serious than I do - doesn't mean I have to tolerate incredibly stupid arguments though.
sniper 03.20.14	yeah we don't often post in the same threads
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	lol wolf
sniper 03.20.14	"people take me a lot more serious than I do - doesn't mean I have to tolerate incredibly stupid arguments though." qft
Wolfhorde 03.20.14	"you are wolverines nose when it comes to sniffing out philosophical discussion ;p" nice one. hey, I'm just semi-serious most of the time. I guess that's easier to portray in reality.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	ive almost been unable to fathom the fact that qtf means two almost contradictory things on the internet; quit fucking talking and quoted for truth when people say it to me im always like holy shit did he just tell me to stfu or does he like what im getting at??
sniper 03.20.14	agreed. i just meant you tend to spark "logic/reason/philosophical" conversations, meant no offense when i said you're too serious
Wolfhorde 03.20.14	lol, I didn't even consider that. also, fucking bummer you're nowhere near the places I'll be rolling up to in the coming months, potsy. eh, didn't take it as an offense - not a lot of things I find to be personally offensive.
sniper 03.20.14	lmao i never knew it meant anything but quoted for truth i should def stop using that
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	where u headed
Wolfhorde 03.20.14	U.S. pretty much large chunks of the East Coast, may also include NYC. I was also planning on doing the West Coast, SF/SD/LA, Seattle and Portland to be precise. Not sure to how much of that I'll gett to do given my budget, costs of travelling, places to stay, groceries and somesuch.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	word, well seattle is literally a ferry ride away from vic
Wolfhorde 03.20.14	yeah, problem is just as I said I have no idea whether I'll actually get to Seattle. I mean flight would probably be a similar price than flying to Cali, thing is I don't know anybody in Seattle. In Cali there are some people where I might be able to crash, it's not like I'm gonna fly in from the East Coast just to be there for a few days, I mean I'm in the country for 90 days and I intend to use them.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	fair enough dude
Wolfhorde 03.20.14	gotta do it on another occasion. I'll probably come around for seconds, unlikely that I'll remain in this rural shithole and I intend to work internationally anyway.
zakalwe 03.20.14	I read that drinking was bad for you so I gave up reading
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	lol
bakkermaarten007 03.20.14	I drink almost every night on my own. But in the weekends I'm never the one to become drunk and make a fool out of himself. Don't know if I could give up that habit so easily though. I manage to quit a couple of days in a row but then I just need to shut my goddamned mind off. ~so I drink
TenSecondsToThink 03.20.14	Drinking "to shut your mind off" sounds like the #1 hint that you are or are becoming an alcoholic. Everyone uses something to get their mind off things, but I'm pretty sure that alcohol is not the best way to do that. There are many alternatives. I couldn't care less about alcohol these days, though I like drinking with close friends a lot. In public, people seem too hateful to me to enjoy getting hammered.
Wolfhorde 03.20.14	"Drinking "to shut your mind off" sounds like the #1 hint that you are or are becoming an alcoholic." Or that you're developing an unhealthy habit because you're trying to treat more underlying, "structural" issues with something that is only a temporary fix. This seems more like a case for a therapist than drugs.
treeqt. 03.20.14	xD druqs xD
guitarded_chuck 03.20.14	yeah i never saw the appeal in drinking such that i'd want to do it regularly or felt i needed it
ButteryBiscuitBass 03.20.14	Iamthe nig [2]
MikeC26 03.20.14	getting laid would be impossible for me if i didn't drink
SCREAM! 03.20.14	Is that whole month without drinking/existentialism argument still going? Too lazy to read through everything
LambsBread 03.20.14	Life sucks, being addicted isn't the worst thing in the world. Not being able to go 30 days without something is not indicative of a personal problem as much as a problem with reality. If you can't go 30 days without beer, or weed, or coffee or sex or masturbation or world of Warcraft that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Maybe you just see reality for what it is and realized your goin to have more fun bein an addict and dealin with the consequences. People telling you what problems you have if you don't go without something for a set period of time are just trying to pay themselves on the back for not being addicted to that thing ( although most people are just addicted to something else, yet still talk down to addicts of different types)
guitarded_chuck 03.20.14	you shouldn't be reliant and anything. and you should be comfortable enough with your reality to face it every day without reliance on any escape.
zakalwe 03.20.14	Nope it's copious drugs, booze and masturbation for me otherwise I'm going to throw meself from a bridge.
SCREAM! 03.20.14	@Lambs That reasoning is fucking terrible. Basically you're looking for a cop out to explain away why you'd rather take the easy way out and drink/smoke/whatever your problems away rather than putting a little effort into making your reality better for yourself.
LambsBread 03.20.14	what if reality isn't capable of getting better for yourself, big assumption you are making in assuming it is for everyone.
LambsBread 03.20.14	"you shouldn't be reliant and anything. and you should be comfortable enough with your reality to face it every day without reliance on any escape." arrogant. Your sheltered idiosyncratic experience isn't enough to demonstrate that life is good to all without any need for substances or addictions.
guitarded_chuck 03.20.14	it isn't necessarily but i guaranfuckingtee it is a lot easier for most to make their reality better than they give credit on account of their unwillingness to exert the time and effort --> use of some form of escape to cope --> makes dealing with said reality tougher if not impossible --> what they call and downward spiral we weren't all raised in the ghetto and are completely uneducated
LambsBread 03.20.14	I have a problem with telling the dad who lost his son in a car accident that he has a problem because he can't go 30 days without smoking weed. it's not him with the problem, you have the problem of being overly judgmental and blaming people's situations on their actions rather than uncontrollable events.
guitarded_chuck 03.20.14	your grandiose assumptions of my life experience based on an internet post is both extraordinarily arrogant and ignorant (and quite ironic)
LambsBread 03.20.14	based on a magnitude of internet posts and a knowledge that you are a Canadian-liberal, actually. I am hardly assuming anything other than it is foolish to think you know what is best for everyone based on your single life experience free of drug abuse when you probably aren't even 30.
guitarded_chuck 03.20.14	actually i've dealt with addiction, and started smoking weed and drinking at age 13
LambsBread 03.20.14	I think you are right in general but not necessarily, but you already admitted that it doesn't apply necessarily so good day guy
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	life doesnt suck [2]
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	"actually i've dealt with addiction, and started smoking weed and drinking at age 13" woooooaaaaaaaahhhhhhHHH!!
SeaAnemone 03.20.14	lotta downers itt be happy plz smh
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	sputnik seems to attract people that need to be thrown the anchor of hope by the architects
Spec 03.20.14	"the other night I poored a bunch of jim bean into my beer RIP I think I was messaging Wolfe that night too lol" What's wrong with you.
Spec 03.20.14	It's not THE architects potsy fucks sake.
InbredJed 03.20.14	Damn, this thread needs a beer
Lord(e)Po)))ts 03.20.14	"It's not THE architects potsy fucks sake." its the freakin architects
Wolfhorde 03.21.14	lambsbread is such a gigantic, pretentious moron. I've seen pubescent teenagers put up a better line of reasoning.
Trebor. 03.21.14	drinkin good suop
lyzakthellama 03.21.14	Life doesn't suck [3]