this is so fucked up

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I hate her music but this makes me so sorry for her

NO ICECREAM, NO PEACE!

NO ICECREAM, NO PEACE!

Pretty sure this won't be the end of this.

damn, sad to hear this

I hate her music but this makes me so sorry for her [2]

I would feel bad for her but its kind of hard when I have no clue who is lying or telling the truth

she deserves to be treated better than this tbh

I feel like if she was lying she would have taken the deal to drop the rape accusations, but she didn't take that deal.

Poor Kesha

guys your opinion about her music is kinda irrelevant to whether or not you should feel sorry for her for having a rape lawsuit dismissed

if you feel sorry for her then just say so

Could've sworn I read somewhere that Sony was gonna get rid of this Dr. Luke guy somewhere???

Guess it was just a rumor. Shame.

I hate her music but this makes me so sorry for her [3]

This isn't about her god damn music you dumb fucks

his rep denied that he was getting dropped by sony so i guess it was just some rumor idk

2005?!
I only hear about this a few weeks ago.

this is so fucked. jesus christ what time are we living in

How exactly do we know for sure he actually is guilty of all this shit? I'm not saying she's lying, but everywhere I look people automatically side with her. I'm neutral so I just wanna know if there's actual evidence or something concrete other than just accusations.

^ i was gonna ask the same question. did he do it or did he not do it?

we don't really know. We do know that other artists have basically called him a scumbag, and that his deleted tweets don't do anything to remedy that situation. At the very least, we know he's a creepy douche who at one point apparently took a picture of Kesha sleeping just to mock her on twitter.

in 2005 she would have been 18-19 ish so yeah class A dude

"This isn't about her god damn music you dumb fucks"

honestly

Yeah I had actually read about this issue YEAAARRRRSSS ago

I had read she swore under oath that she wasn't raped or something in 2011 and that's the last thing I heard until now, I didn't know it was still on going

Given how Dr. Luke (which is a stupid nickname anyway) has been described as by other people and add in her honest to god devastated look when the judge came down to the verdict that she had to stay under contract with Sony

I'm going to say it's safe to side with her and jesus christ do I feel bad for her. I hope this doesn't get any worse for her

Yes, she did swear that he did nothing to her years ago. She can't bring forth any proof, so in the eyes of the law there's clearly no case. The reality though, is that whether he did it or not (there really is no way to know) this will seriously damage the guy's career, and probably Sony's image overall in the future.

This is definitely fucked up. Power to Kesha.

so no one knows. I wouldn't "side" with whoever isn't the creepy douchbag I gotta side with evidence of which there seems not to be any. meaning I have no side this time

Dr Luke does not seem like a nice person, but Kesha also aeems prone to exaggeration. So hard to tell who is right. At any rate, Dr Luke should not be working with her.

an ant Keisha against elephant corporates and Hollywood elites, any 6 year old can guess the winner in this fight. So sad.

This isn't about her god damn music you dumb fucks [543292922]

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While I can understand the case getting thrown out (because evidence for a crime like that is near impossible to get), I feel awful for her. I hope that a miracle happens and she can be released from her contract, nobody deserves this

Fuck Sony, seriously.

this is really upsetting news

OMG THEY DIDN'T THROW OUT THE RAPE CHARGES! Read it. They are still going to try the whole thing. They threw out discrimination and peripheral claims that didn't fall under the jurisdiction.

Maybe as a to-be lawyer I know a bit more how it works but no one has been wronged. Lawsuits like this have multiple charges and often the court focuses on the critical one first.

Called it.

Mr. Ben Kuettel, you took a misleading People article and made a flat out false headline. I know you're not a journalist but be careful.

ya, u gotta read what u post lmao

the rape case is still going because there still might be any evidence to prove it somewhere, in opposition to her completely unsustained other claims

Good. She's a liar.

she's very adamant about these claims tho, not pussyfooting around. no evidence = no case but damn, this ain't some obvious trick

I read this and multiple articles to get information, and the judge did throw out almost all of her appeals. The process is very complicated and I'm sure this isn't the end of this, but I didn't state any false facts here at the time. I don't know enough about the issue to read between the lines of what's really going on, I just wanted to state a general list of what had been reported at the time. This People article, and many others I'm sure, are being edited as more details are being brought up. I haven't adjusted the article accordingly because the site has been so slow, and I've been busy with other things. In regards to these kinds of updates, I could add info to this, or a new article could be made. Like I said initially, I just wanted to get the information out there when it was first released.

Maybe it's just a common misconception, but there's a big difference between throwing out appeals and "lawsuit gets dismissed".

This is the most general, accurate title I could think of given the new information that's been coming to light.

Yes much better, just change the first sentence too.

her life sucks almost as bad as her music right now

All is good now, if any major updates come up I'll add them. Another article could even be made, if enough of the situation changes.

All this shit's been a legal nightmare from the start. I'm feeling real goddamn sorry for Kesha right now, she really won me over with a good chunk of that last album of hers. All I'm gonna say is I'd be surprised if Sony isn't already in damage control over this, but I bet in a few months, they're gonna be breathing hard on Dr. Luke's label anyway.

lol at first glance I thought this was regarding the band Judge.

What honestly disgusts be me is the fact about how adamant sony has been to keep Kesha under contract with Luke. At least give her another one of you numerous producers. The expenses of the switch would not be huge. Even if the story somehow was fabricated, its no surprise the two aren't in any shape to work with one other ever again

Sony did offer her to work with a different producer, like as soon as this broke out.
She was not able to be released from her contract, but she is more than able to work with a different producer that works for Sony. The real shitty thing is, the longer she waits the shorter amount of time she is going to be contractually obligated to pump out 6 albums.

The only thing I like about Kesha is her picture on this site. Haha.

Sometimes it seems like you guys get your opinions from tumblr. She was given every opportunity to work with another producer. She cried because the judge refused to assume the defendant's guilt and break a perfectly legal contract. What unfair thing has factually happened?

so awful

the judicial system is so broken that they let this asshole walk off and continue to ruin this girl's life

Recspecs?

snake did u just read the comment above yours

She HAS been offered to work with other producers dumbasses lmao, she said she's scared they won't promote her music much if she's not working with Luke because he's their biggest hit maker so she refused to do that

At this point she should take the offer, the media storm around this has granted her more than enough notoriety to even make it as an independent artist so she can recently work with a lesser known producer over at a company like Sony

maybe, just maybe, if you had been abused by someone who works for a company you might find it hard to go back to that company again and not want to work for them

not really

ok

sony is huge

i mean, huge

Am I missing something or this whole affair completely nebulous and nobody can really say who's in the right?

Pretty much.

I'm inclined to take her side because she seems very emotionally involved in the issue and doesn't appear to be discouraged, but from an unbiased perspective there's no proof and no matter how difficult it may be to provided it's unfair to punish someone without it, and she has sworn under oath that it didn't happen so that's not helping her case, it's a shame but there's not much that can be done

"Am I missing something or this whole affair completely nebulous and nobody can really say who's in the right?"
yup, but Ke$ha has a mob on her side

That said, I do think Sony is stupid for not letting her go - Even if she's making an accusation without proof, the media storm they've received against them because of this is costing a lot more than letting fucking Kesha leave

I wll give them props for formally offering her another producer but they need to wake up and realize the longer this goes on the worst it'll be for them

fuck the judge

fuck the judge, fuck a bitch, fuck a nigga cuz he snitch

There are basically two likely outcomes.
One is that Luke is a rapist and should be in jail. How she's gonna pin that on Sony idk maybe she could prove a cover up.
Two is that she lied about the whole thing in order to break a million-dollar contract.

So Gwyn, you think Sony should just give in because public opinion is against them? What kind of signal will that give other performers contracted with Sony?

brand image is a lot more costly and precious that it seems

But will they have more threats to their brand when contracted performers start false accusations to get out of contracts?

not really, people can smell bullshit

...

actually, from the tumblr crowd yea that's a risk

"No one cares about my shit music anymore. I should pull a publicity stunt."

here we go

what a lame

Ascension you are a fukboi

"What kind of signal will that give other performers contracted with Sony?"

Maybe Sony will treat their artists better if from now on they know there's the chance their artists will drag them through them mud in some made-up controversy. This should be good for artist freedom, you'd think.

No, I'm just smart enough to see past bullshit.

you're not smart enough in any context

don't mistake "bitter" for "smart"

watch out everyone ascension is a professor of bullshit detection he has a PHD and all

"Maybe Sony will treat their artists better if from now on they know there's the chance their artists will drag them through them mud in some made-up controversy. This should be good for artist freedom, you'd think."

zaruyache, why do you assume Sony needs to treat their million-dollar earning artists better? Why are you okay with anyone dragging anyone else through the mud with false accusations? I don't understand how you could think that outcome is on the side of justice.

Lmao snake you're seriously the most idiotic person on the entire website.

>"treating their artists like shit"
>they need to fabricate their accusations
>?????

aftertheascenion it was medical malpractice that the doctor who delivered you when you were born didnt immediately stomp on your head

lmfaooooooooooooooo

lol'd

AnalAscension why on earth would she make this shit up? Look what good it's done her. Geez, things are goin a little too well, I might just decide to make this shit public and have people shit on me 24/7 whilst calling me a liar.
I rly like your logic. Sounds like you don't like her and just use that as the basis of your shit opinion. Make fun of snake all your like (I do) but by saying shit like that you don't paint yourself in a much better light.

shit's been going on for 11 years and it just so happens that it's in the light now? Give me a break.

that coat hanger stuck in your head must really shoo away any coherent thoughts huh

'shit's been going on for 11 years'

and who the fuck would create some kind of 'publicity stunt' and continue it for 11 years like what dude

Trauma doesn't work in simple black and white terms. That stuff can take years to boil to surface before you say something.
It took me years before I said anything about the the shit that's happened to myself. I can bet the dude responsible for this was near constantly threatening to tank her career and bankrupt her if she said anything.

"aftertheascenion it was medical malpractice that the doctor who delivered you when you were born didnt immediately stomp on your head"

literally lol'd

Is it really hard to believe that Luke could be guilty? There are reports of abuse and rape in many creative/performance industry circles– hell, Cosby's case wasn't that long ago.

Worst case scenario there isn't enough evidence but Luke is guilty.

who's saying it's unbelievable, people are saying it has not been proven, and that kesha has absolutely no evidence whatsoever

Voltimand wants you to just believe as he has, Asdfp. Evidence be darned and due process be darned. Let bias and emotions lock people away forever.

you ok bud you seem angry

the failures and misuse of due process, the need of evidence and the stigma and implications of getting a rape accusation without ever being fairly judged can be pretty infuriating, yes

y'all act like false accusations are even that widespread

that being said, it's pretty stupid to automatically stigmatise the supposed victim as lying when you don't even know what evidence there is or isn't saying things like 'the need of evidence' when you weren't even there and have no knowledge of what evidence has been presented is pretty retarded

It worries me that people in this thread could soon be on jury duty. The only failure of the legal system would be their fault.

the public jury is one of the greatest bastions of democracy in current times

the failure of the legal system (if there even is one) is a lack of adaptability to individual cases

Sinternet, only Ascension said she was likely lying. The person whose job is to review evidence (i.e. the judge) said there's no evidence yet. Every condemning post on this thread is guided by bias and emotion and not evidence.

I wasn't saying jurries are failures, just people can ruin them. Namely people who suppose they have to right assumed wrongs without evidence.

The general public and mobs are such a great judge yea

Hey, I didn't say I think Luke did it, just that shit like this does happen to artists/actors. It's like you didn't even read the last part of my comment where I said *worse case scenario he's guilty* but there's no proof.

"Worst case scenario there isn't enough evidence but Luke is guilty" can be easily misinterpreted

Sorry Volti! I thought you meant there's no question he's guilty whether there's evidence or not.

Chances are she's just throwing a bitch fit and made this shit up. This is the chick that would keep a polaroid of the dong of every dude that entered her tour bus.

http://www.completemusicupdate.com/article/keha-removes-revealing-fan-photos-from-memoirs-on-legal-grounds/

Interesting, huh? Nobody's talking about that shit.

wow that's really shitty of her

She's a sleazeball.

I mean that article someguest posted mentioned that she wanted to emasculate them... so maybe she was just super paranoid about getting sexually harassed. It doesn't justify it, but it seems like a logical explanation that also fits the Sputnik article. I'm calling paranoia for this one.

Of course she's always been a sleazy, detestable creep but that doesn't really pertain to the facts of this incident involving the producer.

Sure it does. She treats men like shit. Women can be sexist too.

Of course, but nothing he's said has really suggested that. He's just vehemently denied the allegations consistently, which makes sense to do if he is innocent. However, she has sworn that there was no harassment going on in a court before, which doesn't coincide with what she's saying now. Considering those facts, these new claims of hers could be seen as pretty questionable.

It can go the other way. If he was harassed he might keep it to himself because of social norms. He might not want to look weak - it could kill his career as much as her's. She has history of being a bully. This guy isn't dropping his pants to her at her beck and call and it's pissing her off.

There could be all matter of different things going on, but it's all conjecture. I was just looking at the facts, and how they've gone about this, and he's been more consistent and trustworthy than she has about this. He's a pretty sleazy person too though, for other reasons. With a case like this though, overall, there really isn't a way to know for sure.

Yes, it's conjecture. A person's past can often speak for their present though. It looks like the judge made the right call.

i dislike everyone involved in this case lmao

For this legal system and case yes, there wasn't really another choice that the judge had. There was no evidence and no real case, and like I said, she has sworn before that no harassment or abuse took place. I don't know much about law, but I wouldn't be surprised if her and her lawyers just took it this far for the media circus to do their work for them, given how famous she is.

I remember when the shithead manager from the getaway plan was found out for being a huge pedo. This girl I was with at the time had all these chatlogs where he was trying to get her to show the puss (she was 15 at the time) and it was years later before those logs would surface bc these dudes are so good at hiding their Bullshit.

"the public jury is one of the greatest bastions of democracy in current times"

lmaooooooooo

'merica

someone actually said that

The problem is, "being sleazy" isn't a crime, and I really have a problem with our culture where as soon as a rape claim is thrown out (with, at this point, absolutely no real evidence) people automatically rush to throw the guy in jail.

Maybe he did it, maybe he didn't, but none of you actually know.

"The problem is, "being sleazy" isn't a crime, and I really have a problem with our culture where as soon as a rape claim is thrown out (with, at this point, absolutely no real evidence) people automatically rush to throw the guy in jail.

Maybe he did it, maybe he didn't, but none of you actually know. "

The most sensible post here.

False rape accusations are as common as some may lead you to believe, but they do indeed happen and for that reason alone it's not fair to throw the axe on the man without any solid proof - It really doesn't matter how unlikely it is that he's lying, it's just straight up unfair to punish without evidence

"Worst case scenario there isn't enough evidence but Luke is guilty."

I'm not saying he isn't guilty, but this type of thinking is just really fucking dangerous and makes me want too throw up.
No this is not the worst case scenario. The worst case scenario is he didn't do it, but Luke get's convicted anyway. That is ALWAYS the worst case scenario in any WORKING criminial justice system.The burden of proof is on the side of the Prosecution and that is one of the most important principles in any WORKING criminial justice system.

And when I see Idiots like you say: "Well is it really that hard to believe that he did it?" It just demonstrates that you have no understanding of how the justice system works at all. The question of "is it really that hard to believe" is of no importance. NOBODY sane would advocate with this line of thinking in any other case (i.E. murder, theft or stuff like that). Listen to how this sounds: "Well is it really that hard to believe that the black kid from our neighborhood stole the bike of our son? I mean we all know from what kind of family he's coming from..."

Also: "the public jury is one of the greatest bastions of democracy in current times"

Never lol'd so hard.

Did you just call someone an idiot for having a different opinion than you?


tsk-tsk

Innocent until proven guilty is not a legal opinion you troll.

If he thinks it's really hard to believe that he did it, then yes, that's a fucking opinion, you dense ass lol.

And if we want to be technical, a verdict is just an opinion unless hard evidence is put forth to prove whether a verdict of guilty or not guilty is justified.

"a verdict is just an opinion unless hard evidence is put forth to prove whether a verdict of guilty or not guilty is justified."

Umm...a verdict is an opinion based on hard evidence....if we want to be technical.

lmao

ITT: trolls, self-proclaimed experts and people aren't lawyers.

lol this thread

"Did you just call someone an idiot for having a different opinion than you?


tsk-tsk"

you do that more than 80% of the userbase you dense shit

"you do that more than 80% of the userbase you dense shit"

I lambasted him in another tread because he called me an idiot for not liking District 9. But it's pre-funny that he can't see the difference between someone not liking a movie and someone having the "legal opinion" that innocent until proving is not applicable in this case.

trump 2016 #makeamericagreatagain

Ascension do u ever stop, it's like you want to look like a huge dickhead

yeah but District 9 was [fact] a great film [/fact] soooooooooooooooooo ;-)

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