noice

Damn forgot about these guys

what a long wait for the EP lol, the rollout started years ago

They know how to death metal so they can take their sweet fat ass time.

5 years for two tracks???

This band is solid but fuck their nazi piece of shit singer

Towards the Megalith was the second vinyl i ever owned m/

this mudds pretty hard

Damn, typed in "Disma death metal" into google and the first link was about his nazi ties... that's really shitty.

Lol of course

Wait Craig Pillard is a nazi? In that case I'll have to burn my Towards The Megalith CD and listen to other less good DM bands with no ns ties.

He did a dumb interview once and has a jokey side project about nazis and everyone boycotts him now because omg

if it were 'jokey' he wouldn't have had it reissued and signed each copy

not to mention his nazi tattoos

but hey, if you listen to it and enjoy it, good for you

No! Not anymore, Disma sucks now!!

ugh

who cares if he's a nazi or not? listening to and enjoying his music can be separate from his beliefs

excited to hear more from these guys

I don't know about his tattoos man I don't even care, dude renounced his views and whether that's legit or not he's a harmless loser who can growl like a motherfucker and that's all I care about

his project methadrone is also pretty good too.

His previous almost unknown and underground project called Incantation was also great.

dude renounced his views

His personal facebook, Disma facebook, perhaps some interviews, he's basically regretted a couple of things but it doesn't really matter at all, he's made it clear that Disma is a band with no nazi affiliations or views or intentions, regardless of whether or not he personally inside his head made harbour some hate. And if he reissued his old project it was probs just to meet demand

and honestly if he didn't recant his shit I doubt Disma would be getting the support it would be now, as easy as it is to search dirty info like that nowadays

He made a facebook post recently about how he only does this shit to offend people. He never actually endorses any political viewpoint on personal level from what i can gather. Take that for what it is. He might be an asshole, he might not. He probably is though. But thats not gonna keep me from enjoying Incantation!

Yeah he says he takes a non serious stance and that one interview everybody cites is indeed pretty OTT and his side project is pretty jokey/stupid. But I believe he did say he regretted that interview in a facebook post a couple of years back

it's funny that people even care idk

Yeah look it's a bit ridiculous imo to care about this crap but apparently it really deeply affects people to know that a guy who sings in a band harbours some shitty views like it matters at all

I'm not offended but I wouldn't support someone with those views. You could have the best music ever but if you went around talking about how raping babies is cool and thought it was awesome I wouldn't want to support you

Unless he's obviously putting his money towards starting a neo nazi revolution then it really matters little. Supporting the band means allowing them to continue existing, or at best funding a few meals for them. Especially in underground metal, supporting the band does very little to keep them afloat as people. You will absolutely never understand the personal views of any person you ever support financially and that goes for every tiny monetary interaction you ever engage in, from supporting a big business company that employs thousands of people who have differing personal views, to supporting one guy at your local milkbar who hates ethnics but is really nice to you when you buy some bread on the weekend and maybe might make a passing remark that rubs you the wrong way but you never actually know what his views are and you need bread so fuck it who cares

Point is: it is the most pointless quest possible to say you won't "support" someone for their views. As long as you're not funding death camps you're probably on the okay side of karma, and the taxes you pay when you work probably go to far worse shit anyway. You can't escape.

http://www.avclub.com/article/metal-music-still-has-unaddressed-nazi-problem-251168

Just gonna leave this here and highlight this line: "But at a time when fascism and Nazism aren’t just things kids play with for shock value—when they are, hard as it is to believe, actual growing concerns here in America and abroad—metal bands should no longer get a pass on this stuff."

yeah look that's a poorly researched article that still has nothing real to say other than what everybody else has already tried saying without realising that it is still meaningless.

There are actual issues in the world. An underground metal band that less than 1% of the world population has heard of is not one of them.

And it's far from an unaddressed problem considering there's a new article like that spouting tbe same debunked "facts" and sources every single month. If anyone actually truly follows the metal underground scene, it is so sparsely and minimally concerned with these issues that almost don't exist unless people choose to try and dig them up for thought pieces like that one.

It is such a small, niche, self-contained and unaffecting scene in music. Everybody knows everybody and nobody involved actually cares. It's indie darlings at the AV club or on a sputnik forum who dig this crap up and post about how they can't support it, and occasionally the antifa rioters who assault innocent civilians and teargas pedestrians and people in hotels who care and try to shut down what is essentially a tiny clique that doesn't affect anyone outside of it.

damn some essay writing bitches itt

People need to stop making a fuss over nothing and maybe address some closer to home issues that have some merit in their day to day lives.

nothing proves something isn't a big deal like writing several multi-paragraph comments about it

Good deflection

nobody in this thread seriously said they were denouncing disma because of the dude's nazi ties, the only guy that did was clearly being facetious, you're complaining about an issue that isn't there. i used to be a lot more uptight about this shit years ago but i kind of realized the futility of it all. i just said i don't buy the whole "the nazi side project was a joke" bs. again, if you dig this band, good for you. glad you enjoy it. but tbf i don't know what to tell you if you're really implying that people being unhappy that there's a nazi in a band is a bigger issue than a nazi in a band.

Its music

calm the fuck down people

Pillard may be a vagina, but i dont think its something worth fussing over.

Am I taken aback by his views? Definitely, but ffs it isnt the main talking point here. It really isnt worth the argument

just pirate the shit out of his shit so u don't miss out on good dm

I'm not even pirating it, he's a nazi scum!

how u gonna 4 an arghoslent album and complain about a single dude in a band Maco

Arghoslent dudes aren't nazis, they're just racist!!!!!!one!

oh okay phew

if that's what you interpret my comments as being, then sure. i'm the metal band nazi championeer.

Here's a post I found on fb.

"To the less than one tenth of one percent of the bleeding hypocritical liberalists and to anyone that actually cares, this is my first and final statement; Disma-in no way, shape, or form, has any significance to the ideas of project Sturmfuhrer. On my part alone, the solo projekt known as Sturmfuhrer was a musical and social experiment in the extreme; its purpose was not meant for your pleasure, but for your pain. If I have offended anyone, then it has fulfilled its intended purpose. I do not belong to, or associate with any ideological group in any capacity. To penalize the collective band known as Disma, would be hypocritical and absurd. Thank you for the extra press! - Craig Pillard"

sounds like the classic haha I was trolling bro

he has a point about not punishing the other band members tho

Yeah, pointing the finger at liberals is pretty silly too. I have friends who are right wing who wouldn't condone facism in any manner, even if it's a joke or intended to make you uncomfortable.

jesus christ.

anyways, the EP rules. stoked for the new album.

"he has a point about not punishing the other band members tho"

I mean they could choose to disassociate themselves from him if they wanted (not that I really care personally, just saying there's more than one side to this)

yea I was thinking about that too. it's possible they weren't aware of his beliefs when forming the band. idk, I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt

My ears are growing Hitler mustaches

Lol I was pretty indifferent before but after reading that FB post dude can fuck off

Starts a nazi band to rustle some jimmies cool

And yes ovdeath idk everyone's views obviously just like Idk what everyone is thinking at this moment but to form an opinion after those views and thoughts are made known is just a reaction, if your reaction is idc then great

When a musician plays good music, that tells me all I need to know about that musician.

a grown ass man talking about I was just trying to trigger ppl. the fuck

People are fucking dumb, and when dumb people try to justify their dumb actions the excuse is usually also dumb. He's either a nazi sympathizer or a retard, but it doesn't matter if you can manage to listen to the music and not the message(not that the message is even in Disma).

Homie can call for a RAHOWA for all I care I'll still listen to his music, I just probably won't buy a tshirt or actually financially contribute at all.

I mean all ppl are saying is that they won't financially support them which is perfectly fair

"I mean all ppl are saying is that they won't financially support them which is perfectly fair"

ye

If he started a nazi band joke or not he is a retard for thinking it wouldn't affect his other endeavors in this age

theres no way it was a joke, look at this interview.

http://www.mourningtheancient.com/sturm.htm

then he's an even bigger bitch for hiding behind the i was joking card. fuck him

lots of cringe in that interview

Link does not work..

ironic/edgy/"just kidding" nazism has long been a masking tactic and even a recruitment tool used by actual nazis, so color me unsurprised

Yeah "separate the art from the artist" mentality ends at neo-nazism for me.

if that's what you interpret my comments as being, then sure. i'm the metal band nazi championeer.

"Yeah "separate the art from the artist" mentality ends at neo-nazism for me."

I guess I don't understand why this would be the line. What is between a morally upstanding person and neo-nazism as far as things you would be able to seperate the art from the artist?
Casual racism? I'm genuinely asking, what are the steps that you are okay with leading up to the hard-line of nazism.

nazis were just racists that did something about it

their neo nazi ideology make them more metal if anything m/

@nazzadan not exactly. When is the last time you've heard a "casually racist band"? I just am super not about giving racists a platform to spew their bullshit because it's extremely harmful and perpetuates the idea that that kind of thinking is "ok". You guys don't have to agree with me, that's just how I feel.

I just think some of these dudes ridiculing me are one step away from "I mean hitler WAS a really good painter you guys" and I have a real problem personally with that mentality. I'm not attacking anyone else's views, I'm just standing up for my own. Not sure why that rustled so many jimmies.

dude he's harmless he even name dropped that subway guy. i mean, fucking subway? i srsly doubt craig is politically savvy

Nah you are entitled to your opinion, I was just questioning the idea that neo-nazism is the line you draw where you stop being able to separate artist from art.
Like it goes:
Normal person
dude that drops the n-bombs on facebook
guy who tweets faggot as an insult
nazi sympathizer ---the line
I'm not sure I'm articulating this very well

Hahahaha no I get what you're saying. I generally just separate myself from it altogether because there's always other stuff you can listen to.. The only particular artist I had a really hard time doing that with was Drudkh because the first couple releases are so solid.

ah fuck don't tell me drudkh are nazis too

least they aren't infantophiles (as far a we know)

"I just am super not about giving racists a platform to spew their bullshit because it's extremely harmful and perpetuates the idea that that kind of thinking is "ok"."

But he isn't using Disma as a platform for it though?

""I mean hitler WAS a really good painter you guys" and I have a real problem personally with that mentality."

You have a problem with people being able to admit that shitty people might be good at something or not 100% shit? Am i missing your point?

my opinion on this is that he has a right to spew whatever he likes on whatever platform he likes. i also have the right not to like it, and choose not listen to what he makes because of it. i also have no right to judge others who will listen to his music in spite of that, and fully respect others will do so. not sure why it's so difficult for some to just live and let live but hey.

"my opinion on this is that he has a right to spew whatever he likes on whatever platform he likes. i also have the right not to like it, and choose not listen to what he makes because of it. i also have no right to judge others who will listen to his music in spite of that, and fully respect others will do so. not sure why it's so difficult for some to just live and let live but hey."

Basically this (except I'm generally in the opposite camp where I'll listen to it but might avoid purchasing) although I do like discussing/debating it when it comes up

No lol that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying being good at something doesn't excuse their overall shittiness.

@noct see I totally understand this. But I'm personally not about the idea that we should live and let live when it comes to people who legit believe that killing or segregating people who aren't the same race as them is an ok thing.

@scream! I mean he's using it enough that his beliefs come up in interviews about the band all the time.

@hesp the guy that does drudkh is also in hate forest ((

Whos trying to excuse him though. Hes a dumbass and he makes good music.

"@scream! I mean he's using it enough that his beliefs come up in interviews about the band all the time. "

Yeah but isn't that usually because of the interviewers steering the questions in that direction rather than him actually trying to make it about that?

I totally understand this. But I'm personally not about the idea that we should live and let live when it comes to people who legit believe that killing or segregating people who aren't the same race as them is an ok thing.

Great thread.

Yeah but isn't that usually because of the interviewers steering the questions in that direction rather than him actually trying to make it about that? [2]

"i think people should be brought to task for their viewpoints."

thats ridiculous. you dont have to support them, you dont have to agree with them, but this is getting into thought police territory.

If you openly endorse awful viewpoints you should be criticized for them.

you guys are all on the same page right? right?

Stop being so edgy guys or coke will remove ads from sputnik

sweet. usually discussions over racist metal musicians provide quality threads. although so far this thread is more like a 6,5-7/10 and not an 8,8/10 like the Arghoslent thread.

"If you openly endorse awful viewpoints you should be criticized for them."

good idea, lets have them suppress them and be secretly racist instead. just sweep it under the rug. much better, problem solved!

"If you openly endorse awful viewpoints you should be criticized for them."

This is fine. There is nothing wrong with this. There is a problem with actively trying to suppress those viewpoints.

Who's suppressing anyone, I'm just choosing to not support or listen to them because I think their views are deplorable.

I think discussion about this kind of thing is important, regardless of what you think and I'm actually shocked this thread didn't turn into a shitshow, well done sput

Ye this thread was good, now that it has run its course let's shitpost

what i mean is that i dont approve of thought policing or witch hunts. noctus used the term "take to task," as if we need to actively scold and reprimand people with dumb beliefs. the idea of taking action against someone just for having a viewpoint sounds ridiculous to me.

Agree to disagree

Unbelievable there are actually people defending and being suprised people are upset at someone expressing neo-nazi ideals. No one is saying these people aren't legally allowed to think whatever they want and no one is saying you shouldn't listen to these artists, but people with the audacity to express such decidely controversial views should stop being pussies, grow the fuck up and realize that they are subject, like anyone, to criticism

the audacity!!

Is the intellect better for you? Are these neo-nazi losers geniuses for japing the world with their high-class, superior sense of humour?

I seriously don't get the pleasure in actively going out of your way whenever given an opportunity to piss people off, but my lack of understanding obviously isn't gonna stop people from doing it. It's just baffling how people are so quick to defend artists that they enjoy because they don't want their morality to appear tainted, yet have no problem dismissing bad people who are also bad artists, what a sense of integrity.

It's not an integrity issue. If someone is a shitty person and releases shitty music, there is no reason to use the argument most people are using here which is to separate the art from the artist or listen to the music not the message.

Varg is a shitty person, I like Burzum.
Craig is a shitty person, I like Disma.
Ian Watkins is a shitty person, I don't like Lostprophets.

So I will defend the music of Varg and Craig but not Ian, even though all 3 are shitty people.
That's at least how I feel about it, other people might be actually defending his beliefs or something, I don't know.

Or maybe I'm a big ol' hypocrite trying to justify my taste in music, who knows.

My statement applies to those whom it actually applies to. Your rhetoric doesn't fall into that group.

Ah, got it

"It's just baffling how people are so quick to defend artists that they enjoy because they don't want their morality to appear tainted"

lol who here is doing that.

Everyone dismissing the relevancy of Pillard's views.

thats ridiculous. you dont have to support them, you dont have to agree with them, but this is getting into thought police territory.

held responsible? no, they should be held responsible for their actions.

I regret perpetuating this. I don't even have strong feelings for Disma as a band.

held responsible? no, they should be held responsible for their actions.

noctus, what does being "held responsible" for "abhorrent ideals" even mean?

I mean last year antifa tear gassed a festival and raided a hotel, physically assaulting guests unrelated to the event and generaly being scumbags--all because Graveland were performing

Do you think that constitutes Darken being "held responsible" for playing NSBM 15 years ago?

well put simply, not be able to hide behind "that's just their views and beliefs", to have to answer for them if prompted and accept concequences (provided they're proportionate, unlike the antifa example you just shared which was clearly not proportionate). but i realize i'm sort of making a moot point here and i admit i probably need to give the debate some more thought so i'm going to abstain from here.

I just like arguing and potentially playing Devil's Advocate

nothing wrong with that [:

The criminalization of thought is actively being instigated by the U.S. Immigration team, it should not shock anything that the concept of thought crime is actually being practiced.

I have never understood why people use "yeah but the other side does it too~" as an argument point as if that in this case would make being a nazi a little more excusable lmao

I wasn't arguing for that in case you're addressing me.

If you're referring to my argument, I'm merely stating that extremism in all forms is bad, and having "nazi" beliefs does not actually equal extremism, as in the case of antifa vs. Graveland, where Graveland were entirely the victim for no reason other than a personal belief that has never been organised or formed into action.

I don't care what your beliefs are, if you keep them isolated to your person or the very worst your "art" then you're as harmless as a fly in my eyes. Nobody is gonna be swayed into nazism by Pillard's shitty side project, the only people who listen to it are the same types of people who already do not care.

'Having "nazi beliefs does not actually equal eextremism'
Log off

i don't think you understand what extremism is

Vice versa, I don't think you understand what nazism is.

Nazism now is not nazism as it was in the 1920s

Because the movement doesn't have a way to express itself outside of its own circles. The same hate is still there.

lmao

Nazism now is not nazism as it was in the 1920s. Nazism now is literally just holding some nazi beliefs. A lot of people don't actually do anything with their beliefs but just have them.

Just like someone believing in progressivism and transgender rights, etc. probably won't actually do anything with those beliefs aside from just have them, and maybe talk about them, someone with racist or sexist, etc. beliefs will similarly do nothing with those beliefs.

Beliefs are inaction. They do not equal action.

Action equals action.

Nazism is literally just holding some nazi beliefs is nazism always, neo-nazism just doesn't have a mainstream platform to build it self up, thank God.

how are you this fucking daft jesus fucking christ?

You cannot genuinely believe and justify just holding some Nazi beliefs could be considered sane or moderate as compared to extreme.

A nazi jerk plays death metal much better than the 95% of all death metal bands. It's not faiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!

Sach, who you talking to?

dreamgazing

this thread would be better with a chief keef feature agreed elite

the criminalization of thought is like 1984 came true in this already orwellian society regimes. supressing these "dangerous thoughts" even from individuals with little social hierarchy values like craig pillard is not important and violates the very essence of democratic values that the western society holds dear.

this thread would be better without the 16 year old pretending to know the world when all he knows is AP history and AP politics

Why we got to be bringing chief into this

yeah, could we never bring him up again.

because of people like you

"because of people like YOU"

?

feeling discriminated

All that matters is the music and nothing more

Snox I get the whole devils advocate thing. There are plenty of valid arguments you could make on the other side like freedom of speech in art or being able to separate the art from the artist etc. But implying that any form of neonazism is not extremism is not one of them lmao

Lmao AP History and Politcs log off

botb is correct. It's also ridiculous how this thread went from 'is supporting a neo-nazi artist moral' to 'is neo-nazism inherently a bad thing'. I guess we don't have our priorities worked out.

good point dream but it begs the question; is a Nazi pogrom or indeed the genocide of any peoples inherently a bad thing?

The only priority i have is jamming good music

"'is neo-nazism inherently a bad thing'"

I don't know where you picked this up from but no one has argued that as far as I can tell

Yeah I wouldn't say anyone argued that it wasn't bad. People certainly seem to be arguing the "is it really THAT big of a deal?" Point though

I haven't seen anyone defend the ideology so much as saying that a guy like Pillard is pretty harmless regardless of the ideology

Snox's point with antifa earlier seemed to have been that you can have a terrible ideology (Nazism like Pillard) and be pretty tame and inoffensive just like you can have a positive one (fighting fascism like Antifa) and apply it in a way where your actions end up being worse than the guy with the terrible one

long as he's not fomenting a nazi resurgence irl he can think/express whatever the fuck he likes. It's not as if it's uplifting music with comprehensible lyrics anyway

I understand botb, but arguing that it isn't that big of an issue express complacency and indifference for a relevant issue.

ppl are well within their rights to call him a dumbass asshole just like he is well within his to be one. just because he has the freedom to hold these views doesnt mean he shouldnt cop shit for holding them

"ppl are well within their rights to call him a dumbass asshole just like he is well within his to be one. just because he has the freedom to hold these views doesnt mean he shouldnt cop shit for holding them"

Basically. Even if Sturmfuhrer was just an effort of artistic extremity, people have every right to criticize it and the man behind it. Think about it, once you say some dumb shit out to the world you have to own up to the ramifications of your words. While I dont think this is even worth arguing, I think we all have said some rather reprehensible stuff at least once (or one thousand times) in our life. If the things you said similar to that interview got out to public knowledge, I can assure you that you would be in deep shit.

Essentially, even if Pillard didnt mean what he said or was just putting up a persona, he still is open to every bit of criticism for saying dumb ass shit

At a certain point it seems to be so played out.
"So we are here with new Disma material."

"Yes, but what of your thoughts on THE JEWS"

Lol

you guys need to calm down. whenever there is a controversy shit goes down on sput lol

This thread has actually been surprisingly civil. I thought a shitstorm would have erupted by now.

woah thread sux

I blame Michael Snoxall

whatever sach im just tellin the truth

Oh no dream I totally agree with you, I was just clarifying what the common argument seems to be

shut the fuck up sinternet u stupid british fuckface

all you dummies should just listen to their music for free like you were going to anyways and stop pretending like you give 2 shits about this guy and his beliefs

Not that I helped at all in the beginning but there are probably >10 comments about the actual EP in this thread lol

EP is badass. But Pillard is Hitler's reincarnation so instant 1.

I don't wanna start WWIII here but was this the band with the neo-nazi vocalist?

sup cunt

So yeah the EP jams hard, im stoked for new Disma. Gonna jam Megalith today.

pls no music discussion thanks

Music is for racists

WHITE FUCKIN PRIDE, KILL THE J-

oops, shouldnt have jammed this EP.

I am putty. Mold me disma

tfw you're 16 and know the world more intimately than anyone else but they don't believe you when you tell them

tfw when you're unlucky enough to actually be elitetaste

The saddest thing about your grudge against me is that your only talking point is my age and if you didn't know my age, you would be left with no go-to strawman to dismiss me.

Why oh why did I comment on this, I didn't even listen to the song lol

[2]
I'm interested enough to give it a shot ig

I mean I posted the article and didn't even dig it that much. It's still worth a go, especially since it's only like ten minutes long.