One of the guys from this band did a real dumb interview yesterday with Bardo Methology, he sounded like a black metal boomer.

It’s a bit crazy because this rules and Icelandic BM has always been a bit forward thinking, but whatever.

This is better than Orieda and Kaliekr’s new albums, but I think Sinmara’s beats it out.

did you read the rest of the interview besides my out of context quote tho

Yes, I read the whole interview, quite a few times lmao

Jesus, this and new DsO on the same day :3

I still gave this a 4 so one dummy isn’t gonna ruin it for me *shrugs* this album slaps

Is this the same band that made Söngvar elds og óreiðu? Sounds completely different.. but digging it for sure, thanks for posting

Can't choose which one to jam first, this or DSO. First world problems m/

oh wow, new DsO today too, #blessed. Gonna jam that after this cause this is too good to stop at the moment

First album is one of the best bm albums of the decade. Hype to hear this one. m/

''One of the guys from this band did a real dumb interview yesterday with Bardo Methology, he sounded like a black metal boomer.''

I kind of consider myself one of those people, too. ''Black Metal boomer'' if you mean like a person who thinks Black Metal should be a certain thing. I agree with most of what he said in that interview, apart from some of the more petty stuff he said.

I'll clarify this from the jump since things can (unintentionally) get contentious around here - I'm not trying to start shit. But what do you mean by black metal should be a certain thing? What is the thing?

not like Ghost Bath

because they suck or because they're blackgaze, or both?

Brvh becavse they are untrve

"soft-touching snare hits in dull blast-beats accompanied by boring and safe vocal ‘shrieks’ along with uninteresting, cheesy, melodic post-rock riffs… everything extended to fourteen-minute tracks to create, quote-unquote, ‘atmosphere’. No rock and roll"

more the former than the latter. never was the biggest fan of blackgaze myself to begin with for similar reasons D.G. stated in the interview

I remember when people had the same critiques for cascadian black metal lmao. things haven't really changed except more acceptance of Alcest and friends.

Also, just for the record I kind of agree with that quote personally in some situations. I do not consider myself a black metal elitist (I mean who actually would) but there have been some recent "Blackgaze" albums coming out this year that are absolutely inauthentic uninspired garbage that this site is eating up. There's no heart, no soul, just this shell of an idea what black metal should sound like over top straight up by the numbers post-rock melodies/structures with blasting underneath.

I mean, I agree they're (Ghostbath) terrible but I think the way he throws whole sub-genres under the bus while maintaining ethos and a stance perpetrated by a bunch of teens in the 90's is a bit... much.

I also agree with that regarding dissing anything that steps outside of the box. It is a narrow minded view indeed. My biggest gripe is how copy cat clones these bands are becoming of one another.

"Also, just for the record I kind of agree with that quote personally in some situations. I do not consider myself a black metal elitist (I mean who actually would) but there have been some recent "Blackgaze" albums coming out this year that are absolutely inauthentic uninspired garbage that this site is eating up. There's no heart, no soul, just this shell of an idea what black metal should sound like over top straight up by the numbers post-rock melodies/structures with blasting underneath."

Here's the thing though -- this can't be restricted to JUST blackgaze doing stuff like this. There are THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of watered down, generic, lifeless "regular" black metal bands. That isn't a criticism of blackgaze, it's a criticism of music as a whole, so to target that sub-genre specifically seems a bit dumb to me.

Right dude, I get your point and agree with you. But maybe we can agree Black Metal, maybe more than most other genres, has this elitist stigma where trve Black Metal artists feel the need to completely disown a band/scene they feel are inauthentic to their perceived "ethos" of black metal which also spills into and permeates through the listeners. Which when you type out sounds so absolutely trivial, but it's kinda still very much a thing regardless of how dumb it is.

I think a better way he could have presented that is instead of bashing his "peers" and overall making generalized opinions of the black metal scene and blackgaze in particular, is to focus more on what he's trying to convey with his music. I personally don't go into Sputnik threads rating Ghost Bath and Together to the Stars, albums 1.0 and bashing them. Nobody likes that guy. I just don't listen to them

take what he said as a criticism for the music then. to be fair the interviewer brought up the term to get a rise out of D.G., but considering how he explained his point of view after on any perceived inauthenticities of those far removed from what the BM ethos was & how it was build upon since (and not just of those playing BM), he had more of a gripe on those learning about the music from Youtube algorithms and not necessarily appreciating the context & history.

ayy dungeonboy

"Right dude, I get your point and agree with you. But maybe we can agree Black Metal, maybe more than most other genres, has this elitist stigma where trve Black Metal artists feel the need to completely disown a band/scene they feel are inauthentic to their perceived "ethos" of black metal which also spills into and permeates through the listeners. Which when you type out sounds so absolutely trivial, but it's kinda still very much a thing regardless of how dumb it is."

I 100% agree with this, I just don't personally think just because black metal artists are more prone to being elitist necessarily means we shouldn't chide them when they act up. Don't get me wrong, on a list of ways black metal metal could problematic, this wouldn't even make the cut, I guess I just have to laugh when black metallers act like this. I get that it's **probably** most for show, but I just think it's funny.

As far as it permeating to the listeners, I feel like they take it WAYYYY more seriously than the musicians who make the statements, haha. Definitely silly, but like you said, it happens.

"take what he said as a criticism for the music then. to be fair the interviewer brought up the term to get a rise out of D.G., but considering how he explained his point of view after on any perceived inauthenticities of those far removed from what the BM ethos was & how it was build upon since (and not just of those playing BM), he had more of a gripe on those learning about the music from Youtube algorithms and not necessarily appreciating the context & history."

On one hand I get that, but on the other it's a different time and people will learn about music through different avenues. Anyone peripherally interested in black metal will get to the history in due time, but I do understand the point.

well hello there mr. aoty

@Spirit Cheers dude! also, this album is excellent

Reading isn't kvlt

vocals are pretty different from their prior releases. they’re still great, but... different

v different not as good drums are v clunky >:[

Well, the lo-fi shoegaze with black metal influence and the cascadian scene are both far more interesting and creative than most of the black metal in the last decade, which has been infested with National Socialism. Either way, this band rules, and I am really looking forward to this album. The last one was beyond sick.

My thoughts on what Black Metal are, are very simple, the style of the music, as far as the sound of it is not that important. But people should be able to play, at least. The real founders of Black Metal, as we know it today, though, had a very simple idea, the music should be in the spirit of mayhem (rebellion, not meaning the band Mayhem - though they had the Black Metal spirit), it should be challenging the norms, and satanic in some way. The satanism thing was sort of slowly weeded out and I don't care about it. but still, the tenets of Black Metal are, of course, that it is against what everyone knows. The spirit is rebellion. If the ''Black Metal'' is super safe, unchallenging, the band members have no balls, are weak people, or like they write songs about love or some shit, that isn't Black Metal.

And like it or not Black Metal is and always has been elitist and you should be glad it is. It makes it special in that sense. It keeps a certain quality, an edge, and it ridicules shit bands and moronic trendy people. Only certain people can understand this spirit and really get it. People say it's wrong to exclude others, but it isn't. It's important to have someone set some sort of standard. That's why people like Euronymous were actually good for the scene and Black Metal wouldn't have it's reputation and Black Metal wouldn't be so intense and badass, if it weren't for elitists like Euro

Black metal is about hate, nihilism and misanthropy, it always was and should be that way, hate against Christianity and Islam.

That does not mean that I cannot enjoy Cascadian Black metal or Blackgaze, but this is not what the origins were about.

is that a copypasta eons

and wtf

i've never adults to so stringently follow the footsteps of teenagers

they made great music but their ideals were shit

black metal means nothing and anyone who tries to assign an express purpose to it is extremely misguided, i'm sorry

Most of the black metal lyrics are still about hate vs religion, misanthropy, solitude, nihilism. Yes, it was also a form of rebellion, I did not deny that. And no, this was not a copy/paste, it is just what it was about in the beginning and is still for a lot of bands.

^^^^^^^^^^ boom

but you are still missing the point- you even brought up a good example - the cascadian scene received lots of shit from oldheads of the genre for going exactly against what is expected ie the norm, from artists who play this music.

they received backlash because of decided lack of satanist lyrics, hateful attitude and scandinavian background. was this not going against the norm? is it not bm just because it doesn't have the aforementioned elements? it's the very ethos, embodied.


It is not original Black metal as it was created (hate, rebellion, satanism, nihilism, misanthropy) and people/bands who hate the new stuff like Cascadian/Blackgaze have every right to do and say so. (remember the right to free speech)

I do not hate the new stuff, some bands are amazing, but I can understand the bands who are sticking to the old roots of BM.

What's cascadian black metal?

If you do not think that those were the binding attributes of BM, then you are either lost or still very young and weren't around at the time it all started.

With the right to free speech I mean that every person or band has the right to dislike or hate the new BM directions.

What's cascadian black metal?

Wolves in the Throne Room for example.

Hmm I am a northwesterner and this scene is news to me

"What's cascadian black metal?"

A black metal scene originating from the Cascade mountain region whose lyrical content was very nature focused and musical inspiration mainly stemmed from WITTR.

oh shit guess we all jumped on that one

lol

Excellent, the Noevdia download links don't work for this m/

and rust, dunno what to say to you man, we'll agree to disagree but i think you are pretty misguided on what influences people and their music

no problem to disagree, no hard feelings here.

Also, this thing rips!

right dude!? on my second spin now, it's excellent

I agree, album is great, need to preorder it from Seasons of Mist with some other stuff.

Not a patch on the first album for me

Lmao there's a difference between hating Christianity and Islam as religions, and fucking Nazi shit, and I would be willing to say that most European BM nowadays (especially in eastern europe) is either full-on or edges on being NSBM. But I agree with a couple of commenters above. Deafheaven, Alcest, and so on have very little to do with BM aside from some stylistic similarities that are also shared among other genres (just because something is lo-fi, has blast beats, and screeches doesn't mean it's bm).

i found this kind of disappointing on the first listen, doesn't really have the fire of the debut

"It is not original Black metal as it was created (hate, rebellion, satanism, nihilism, misanthropy)"

you know that ethos largely fizzled out after the mid-90s, right? Once bands started going prog and actually experimenting that all flew out the window. Or does all that stuff just not count

Rock is not rock unless the musicians performing it gyrate like Elvis Presley originally did

and you have to go AHH and OOOh YEEH YEEAAH

What in the blue hell is that marvelous looking 4th character in the band name

Who

These fucking guys, there's always people in these Black Metal threads who state their opinion, then you say yours, they mock it like it isn't valid. Yet they get to have their own SJW-ish opinion. fuck off.

Why do they even start the debate if they can't comment in an intelligent way and only mock? It's pathetic.

Riffs don't care about your feelings Eons

Wow, this is insanely good!

Need to check this

if your opinion involves very flawed arguments then it'll get mocked lol that's how this works. Black metal is art and it'll be interpreted and reinterpreted in whatever ways its creators want. The old "black metal is about [negative things and elitism]" shtick is clearly nonsense to anyone who's looked at the genre beyond like 1995.

[Norwegian prog black metal saxophone solo playing in background]

Hey this is pretty good

Orgia rules

reading through this thread, I like the second one better

Anyone else getting Moonsorrow vibes??