when did these guys decide they wanted to become the Katatonia of deathcore?

I uh

wow

those comments under that are uh, yea

Phil's cleans are...good. Its a bloody miracle.

take notes, Eddie Hermida

It’s not awful but it reminds me more of Staind than I’d like it to.

i actually... like this?

hey, that was actually really good

That wasn't bad at all tbh.

i'll probably never listen to that again but it wasn't as bad as i expected

beyond atrocious, band should be banned from having news threads

not bad but diff

It reminds me of Creed, not my thing

this is fucking great posers begone

this does sound like Katatonia with downtuned guitars a bit.

even has the same producer/mix engineer as the last few Katatonia albums, as it turns out.

seen this band live 11 times and never was it intentional lol. amazing live band though.

and this is the best song I've ever heard from them!

this was not enjoyasble

I mean it sucks ass, but it could definitely get radio play. Reminds me of Stone Sour.

"I mean it sucks ass, but it could definitely get radio play. Reminds me of Stone Sour." aka gay

i think its hilarious when these deathcore bands start doing metalcore with clean singing and then call it experimentation and maturation.

this is basically stone sour lol

Not bad at all smh

list of things this doesn't sound like: 1. Staind 2. Creed 3. Stone Sour

On the one hand yeah it's ridiculous that incorporating clean singing somehow constitutes experimentation, but on the other Phil is the fucking man and his cleans sound amazing, like a cross between Maynard and Akerfeldt. The real crime here is why is he only gracing us now with these angelic melodies, where was this 10 years ago? This is shaping up to possibly be the best WC record

I was hoping they would go more towards a Rivers Of Nihil sound, but imo it was a bit too much like Demon Hunter. Not bad though

Demon Hunter lol

i actually liked this up until the chorus. too alt-metally for me.

lmao the corey taylor mannerisms are on full blast

hell you’re in denial

Weren’t there cleans on a couple of the songs on the last album?

looks like they want to go the BMTH route.

$$$$$$$

"hell you’re in denial"

no it's more like this legitimately sounds nothing like any of those bands. I could see a case for a FFDP comparison or some shit but nothing about this sounds like post-grunge.

at any rate this is the only song like this on the album and a lot of it is some of their heaviest shit in nearly a decade so this is hardly selling out or going BMTH

Phil can actually sing pretty well damn

uhhhhhhh da fuq

going from "you will never fuck again" to cleans...

This reminds me of some 2000s alt metal yeah. Surprisingly good tho

alt metal should be eradicated

Okay track

katatonia are my all time favorite band and I agree, but similar vibe =/= same quality

that's such a weird critique to make. it's pretty obviously trying to be katatonia-esque and obviously not very effectively.

LOL

I feel like the majority of people will listen to this song once and be done with it. But I've gave it a few listens, and it's quite a grower of a song. It gives me a nostalgic feeling of early 2000s alternative power rock/radio rock but the essence of Whitechapel is still apparent. I think I'll enjoy this album

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA EEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

very mature and insightful comments itt

"this is hardly selling out or going BMTH"

i havent heard the rest of the album so i cant comment on that, but both bands obviously went for the radio sound for the $$$, so yeah, maybe they didnt go full BMTH but their intentions are the same.

it's just one song on the album and it's basically a ballad written about phil's mom, so I'm pretty sure the intention was not just radio sound for the $$$.

but I guess you must know more about the band's intentions than they do lol

i dont know better, i just know the same as they do that this is for the $$$.

if it was for money, why would they remain on Metal Blade and potentially alienate 90% of their fanbase. If anything, it's not for $$$ at all.

There’s no way they recorded an obvious attempt at a radio single as a “fuck you” artistic statement lmao.

"if it was for money, why would they remain on Metal Blade and potentially alienate 90% of their fanbase."

well, first of all, Metal Blade is one of the biggest metal labels in the world obviously, and Whitechapel are one of the biggest bands on that label, so im sure Metal Blade are treating them very well. so why would they not stay on it?...secondly, i guarantee if they get big enough, they will jump ship and join a label that makes them more money. and even if they dont switch labels, more fans still = more money. so the fact that they haven't left Metal Blade yet doesnt mean shit.

also, take a look at all the other bands that risked alienating their fanbases and ended up getting even bigger. In Flames, All That Remains, BMTH, etc. if you can get a song on the radio, who really gives a shit if you alienate some of your fanbase? youll have gained more fans than you lost.

"If anything, it's not for $$$ at all."

lol

nobody even called it a fuck you or an artistic statement.

this isn't an In Flames situation. if even half the album was like this I'd agree with you, but this is one song on an album you haven't even heard the rest of. I don't really even like these guys that much and this song is average as fuck, but come on. I'm sure they're aware it has commercial appeal but I'm also pretty sure they didn't write a song dedicated to their singer's dead mother just for a few extra spotify plays. this stuck up attitude of "band wrote a ballad, automatic sellouts!" is fucking stupid.

"this isn't an In Flames situation."

i mean, they went from a heavy as fuck deathcore band to something that could be a Stone Sour song played on 93x...

edit: oops forgot not everyone is from my state, thats the rock/"metal" (but not really metal) station here.

on one song. when most of the rest of the album is heavy as fuck deathcore.

“nobody even called it a fuck you or an artistic statement.”

I was referring to the comment above mine:
“If anything, it's not for $$$ at all.“

Saying they didn’t do it for the money implies they did for themselves, and an extreme departure in sound as a teaser for things to come typically implies that a band is saying fuck it to expectations that surround them. Use basic context clues.

"on one song. when most of the rest of the album is heavy as fuck deathcore."

sure, for now. i bet they'll continue further down this path. theyre probably just testing the waters with this.

whatever you say, miss cleo.

They will absolutely go full Foo Fighters if this song does well.

"whatever you say, miss cleo."

lol i mean, take a look at any other band that starts down that route, they all do the same thing. its not hard to predict.

When you see them im 2021, they’re gonna open with a cover of Monkey Wrench, I swear to you.

these guys were already basically a mainstream metal band to begin with, but do you actually think every single heavy band that puts a single ballad on their album is doing it because they're secretly plotting to become the next Imagine Dragons?

Yes

I will gladly admit that I'm wrong if they end up releasing the next Battles, but apparently I'm just not cynical and trve enough to assume that a band that's already commercially successful including a relatively softer song outside of their usual formula on an album containing some of their heaviest stuff in years irrefutably means they're money-hungry disingenuous pop-rock wannabe sellouts.

This actually grew on me hard. A little cheesy but actually pretty good.

This actually grew on me hard. A little cheesy but actually pretty good. As much as I loved their first album back in the day I’m glad they’ve moved beyond the stupid gore and rape lyrics.

I actually really like the cleans. His style is very refreshing for this genre. Usually it’s high pitched whiny singing, but this dude pulls in some serious Maynard/Akerfeldt vibes. My favorite so far is the When A Demon Defiles A Witch track.

im not hearing Maynard or Akerfeldt, idk what you guys are talking about.

def not Akerfeldt but the Maynard influence is all over it and the other song with cleans.

Clean vocals are Maynard inspired, but his screams are full on Akerfeldt.

hearing a bit of tiny tim and a bit of lord worm

maybe like a lower, less nasally version of Maynard i guess. definitely no Akerfeldt in there. its just one little backup part and it doesnt sound as gravelly or low and throaty as Akerfeldt. the one other screaming part in there is so far from anything Akerfelt that i have to assume youre not talking about that one.

if a band has been around long enough for me to accidentally see them a dozen times i'm pretty sure they've earned the right to make whatever music they want to...as if there is some kind of prerequisite for making the music you want to make.....jesus....

Lol no one said they cant make the music they want to make, youre arguing against no one. Its not even a right that needs to be earned.

oh im sure someone said it but im not willing to find out!

I was referring to all of the new songs as a whole when I compared his screams to Akerfeldt. Not this song that was posted.

akerfeldt comparisons in the whitechapel thread. I really hate this timeline we stumbled upon

more corey taylor than anyone else, the AHIG era singing is strong af here

not bad

edit: it sounds like Stone Sour/Slipknot agreed

Seriously just listen to the other new track Third Depth. You can’t deny the Akerfeldt comparison with his screams.

Just listened, theyre still very deathcore-ish vocals which Akerfeldt does not have at all, so still no.

Adolf you gotta chill man.

lol I think people are comparing the cleans to Akerfeldt or Maynard, not the deathcore vocals. Except for Zack I guess.

dont even bring Akerfeldt into this, this is at most Corey Taylor-ish

Corey's singing has never once sent a chill down my spine, so no

Not as bad as the clean vocals from Cult Leader's last album, but still mediocre at best. The solo doesn't fit at all with the rest of the song, it has no feeling or subtleness. it feels like it's just been slapped on for good measure.

that elusive 'subtleness' is such a bitch...

OoOoOrAnGe......oOoOoRaNgE...

Ok you’re all right. His screams don’t sound like Akerfeldt. I was wrong.

shut up zack

don't rattle the opeth fanatics pls they're a sensitive people

https://open.spotify.com/track/1V4jC0vJ5525lEF1bFgPX2?si=gd-4zX_2RjaIkH_vZo4RFQ

His cleans are still entirely way too low in the mix. I can make out most of the chorus but the verses are nothing but mumbling.

Pretty shitty tbh

this kind of does sound like katatonia in some weird dumb way

lol yeah kinda. album is cool. this is how you reinvent your sound, take note Suicide Silence

I’m glad Phil is back to writing songs about his fucked up childhood. This is shaping up to be their best since the s/t

"His cleans are still entirely way too low in the mix. I can make out most of the chorus but the verses are nothing but mumbling."

what the fuck are you listening to this on? i can hear the verse perfectly. the vocals are fine in the mix.

He wants it to be acappella

Just listened to the start again though. If anything his vox are too loud, haha.

I woud listen the shit out of that

actually it's good! well done Phil

i legitimately think less of you if you enjoy this song

@tyler: :-(

sorry but youve left me no other choice

cries in the corner

Dammit Phil Bozeman write more songs about dismembering whores

@Kenbo: hey man there's always Somatic Defilement.