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Kupasexy15
January 24th 2017


364 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

I did not take it personally until someone dubbed this a "chore" to read because, at worst, I belabor the point a bit. There's fair criticism and unfair criticism. That, in my view, is completely unfair.

Snide
January 24th 2017


7050 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Kupa, I'm not trying to insult you, but wouldn't something that in a reader's eyes takes forever to get to the point be technically considered a chore?

Kupasexy15
January 24th 2017


364 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Oh, I think calling this a "chore" to read is being petty and unfair. And Betray, thinks I'm being too sensitive.

betray
January 24th 2017


9392 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

"I did not take it personally until someone dubbed this a "chore" to read because, at worst, I belabor the point a bit. There's fair criticism and unfair criticism. That, in my view, is completely unfair. "



which leads me back to my original point of just accepting that criticism rather than saying "you're just making a big deal out of it" or "1,000 words is not that much to read." or BUT A MODERATOR SAID IT WAS GOOD or BUT IT'S FEATURED ON THE FRONT PAGE SPUTNIKMUSIC.COM SO IT CAN'T BE BAD



or my personal favorite where you resort to insulting your audience in an effort to prove your point



"But this isn't a "chore" to read ... unless people really have that short of an attention span."

Snide
January 24th 2017


7050 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Kupa I read through the review, and while it is well written it does ramble a little bit. I don't mind reading that so I don't consider it a chore personally, but critique involving that would be valid in my eyes.

Kupasexy15
January 24th 2017


364 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Except, Black Malachite, I didn't take forever to get to the point. Sentence 2, I introduce Michael Bay and Transformers and their relation to Starset. Paragraph 2, first two sentences, I basically assert my thesis for the review. The rest of the paragraph I elaborate on what I mean because metaphor tends to be abstract.

Snide
January 24th 2017


7050 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

The problem isn't your method of expressing that metaphor (one which I thought was a bit clever), it was that it literally took two paragraphs to reach the actual objective critique. Unless you're doing a full blown story-style concept review, objective critique should start at the latest at the beginning of the second paragraph.

Kupasexy15
January 24th 2017


364 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

I don't understand this apparent norm of Sputnik that every criticism ascribed to a review is automatically correct and somehow above contestation. "Rambles a bit," "too long," I can deal with and is fair. Calling this a "chore" to read is being an asshole.

TVC15
January 24th 2017


11372 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Wow that autotune on the first track is really annoying. Not listening with headphones or looking at the wave forms on Audacity and I can already tell this is clipped badly. Other than that it's not that bad



Edit: does not clip a lot but it's pretty brick walled. Less than half a db away from being a sea of red. Not that anyone cares lol

Snide
January 24th 2017


7050 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

"I don't understand this apparent norm of Sputnik that every criticism ascribed to a review is automatically correct and somehow above contestation. "Rambles a bit," "too long," I can deal with and is fair. Calling this a "chore" to read is being an asshole."

I just gave you fair points on to why I feel your retort to the critique is arguably not valid. No-one at any time said that all critique was automatically correct. Also "Rambles a bit", "too long", and "a chore to read" all mean the same thing. If something is too long or rambling, it's a chore.

Kupasexy15
January 24th 2017


364 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Fine, but that doesn't make this a terrible review. Rules can be bent a bit.

betray
January 24th 2017


9392 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

"I don't understand this apparent norm of Sputnik that every criticism ascribed to a review is automatically correct and somehow above contestation."



no one said that. my point was about HOW you were contesting the criticisms. and it's not a sputnik 'norm', it's just a norm in life in general that criticism should be taken gracefully



" 'Rambles a bit,' 'too long,' I can deal with and is fair. Calling this a "chore" to read is being an asshole."



hardly. if anything you're just taking it far too personally.



TVC15
January 24th 2017


11372 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Frequency is a pretty good song, not gonna lie. The vocal effects on that first track rubbed me the wrong way for some reason

Snide
January 24th 2017


7050 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

"Fine, but that doesn't make this a terrible review. Rules can be bent a bit."

I never said it was a terrible review, I actually pos'd it. I really do think you're taking the critique far too personally though. If I took all the critique I received personally, I'd be insane because I receive a SHITTON of critique.

Kupasexy15
January 24th 2017


364 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Betray,



Really a 1000 words isn't that much to endure. There are tons of reviews on here that are featured that are longer than mine and make take 750 words to get to the point. Two paragraphs, introducing and elaborating on the thesis before getting into the meat of the critique, is not asking a lot.



Black Malachite,



A chore is cleaning the bathroom. Comparing the experience of reading this like it's cleaning the bathroom, even metaphorically, is an exaggeration, no?



Kupasexy15
January 24th 2017


364 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

This spat is dragging on too long, and it really doesn't matter. I've got no hard feeling for either of you guys, Betray or Black Malachite.

Snide
January 24th 2017


7050 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

"A chore is cleaning the bathroom. Comparing the experience of reading this like it's cleaning the bathroom, even metaphorically, is an exaggeration, no?"

A physical chore is different from a literary chore, and they're used in two completely different bits of context. Saying something is a "chore" is actually incredibly common in the literary world, and isn't any more negative than saying something "rambles" or "takes too long."

Snide
January 24th 2017


7050 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Likewise man no hard feelings, I'm just trying to explain the other perspective and why it's not meant to be insulting, just honest critique.

VaxXi
January 24th 2017


4418 Comments


its only bands like these that bring out arguments like this

Kupasexy15
January 24th 2017


364 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

"I never said it was a terrible review, I actually pos'd it. I really do think you're taking the critique far too personally though. If I took all the critique I received personally, I'd be insane because I receive a SHITTON of critique."



Well, thanks for the pos. Possibly, I am. Honestly, I put about in 11 hours writing, editing this, not including multiple listens through that 70-minute album. I put a bit of myself in my writing. And one of the pet peeves I have with Sputnik, is the drive-by assholery from the peanut gallery, many of whom hardly ever put that much effort and put themselves out there to be criticized, though they have no problems about dishing it out.



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