I loved this cd when it first was released,and I still do. The loss of Peter Mengede really hurt this band as cd's released after this became rather boring.
Though Betty did have a few kicking tracks.

Betty was great too

The loss of Peter Mengede really hurt this band as cd's released after this became rather boring.

I wouldn't say boring; more like a bit more streamlined. Aftertaste and Betty still kick major ass too.

I remember when I first heard this album when I was 12, I was hooked from the start. The build to the riff, "In the Meantime," is so awesome. This is very precise and tight compared to their other releases, but I love it.

Album represents the beginning nu-metal and that's fucking awesome in my book.

Yeah, they definitely paved the way for those bands.

Agreed.

Then why do people give me hell for calling them nu-metal when Page Hamilton wrote the book on it?

Well, because they were more part of the hard rock scene. They weren't necessarily a metal band. The full focus of what became nu metal was Korn. The thing you take away from this is simplistic riffs, heavy, with little to no solos.

So you pretty much just described nu-metal then hahahahahaha.

I know I did, but they paved the way for all nu metals. They created the template that would soon become nu metal. And I think that is why a lot of people don't like associating them with the nu metal. They were years before that genre became known and the some people that like Helmet don't want to be associated with it.

Helmet are so much better than the nu-metal shit that they paved the way for

True statement, even though Korn's self-titled was good.

They created the template that would soon become nu metal. And I think that is why a lot of people don't like associating them with the nu metal. They were years before that genre became known and the some people that like Helmet don't want to be associated with it.

My point is proven then. You can't deny a band is not nu-metal because you don't like the genre. It's actually pure ignorance on their part.

Helmet are so much better than the nu-metal shit that they paved the way for

And this further cements my side of the argument.

I am not arguing with you that they aren't a nu metal band, but when they started they were considered a hard rock band from Strap it On to Betty. Then, Korn came out with their self titled, a nu genre was born, and later people recognized that Helmet paved the way for the genre. So, I mean, yes, they are a nu metal band to some extent, but also hard rock to others. You can't ignore their influence.

Meh, i just prefer to ignore the idea of genres and sub-genres and file it under good music.

Helmet solos were actually pretty technical but so washed in feedback it sounds like random noises. The biggest difference between this and nu-metal to me is Helmet use really odd timings.
No denying they helped start nu-metal though.

And you have to remember that most people, when they hear nu metal, they think it has some sort of rap influence. Not all nu metal bands necessarily had a lot, but the genre was kind of born from the idea rap influence metal. You know, mattress metal.

Meh, i just prefer to ignore the idea of genres and sub-genres and file it under good music.

This I can agree with as well.

I am not arguing with you that they aren't a nu metal band,

Sorry, I get emotional when talking about nu-metal. Makes me want to write a song about how my dad touched me in places I'm not aloud to talk about on the internet.

Not all nu metal bands necessarily had a lot

I would say not even 25% of nu-metal bands had anything to do with rap. That's just a ridiculous tag strung onto the genre that made purist metalheads feel good about themselves.

Sorry, I get emotional