Album Rating: 4.0

1984 is an essential. Animal Farm too, I should add.

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

Haven't tried much Russian lit, I like Gogol though



The length of some of them scares me a bit

Album Rating: 1.0

have u fucking clowns even 'read' the dark tower saga holy fuck

Album Rating: 1.0

you have to realize

Album Rating: 1.0

that dark tower transcends all





indisputably

Album Rating: 1.0

BIRD AND BEAR AND HARE AND FISH BITCH



beyonce fucking rules

Album Rating: 4.5

The denigration of black women is a historic problem, but it's become more prevalent (and in need of address) as black women become a more prominent force within society.



You asking when relationships entered this is really telling since the entire album is about Jay Z cheating on her (that is, this album is built around analyzing relationships, both on the macro and micro level). The whole album deals with how she rose above the betrayal and found a way to reconcile with him, and she relates that to societal struggles (the ones we've been talking about for the better part of 2 hours).



And her independence does have a bearing on the denigration of women. It's an implicit retort to that denigration. The main line of attack or way of denigrating women's accomplishments is to say that they're nothing without the men who supported them. This is what's happening in BLM right now, and it's also a claim leveled against Beyonce for a while now (that is not in my review, mostly because it's a fairly well known debate happening in US leftist politics right now). Beyonce, in saying that she did it all on her own, is replying to these critiques, saying that she's not just successful because she married Jay Z, and women all over aren't successful solely because of the masculine presence that supposedly underlies everything they do (I talk about this in the context of the music industry).



And I didn't write that all men are nefarious infidels. That seems to be your sticking point, since you continually question the claim that men are denigrating women's accomplishments. What I wrote is pretty clear, I think. There are some men within the community seeking to downplay the accomplishments of women in order to preserve some semblance of what they think is masculinity (a masculinity that comes from suppressing and using women). This is a poisonous behavior in that it detracts from the advancement of the whole community. We've fallen out of formation, so to speak. All of this is stated in the review.



The reason I keep repeating the essence of my review is because I have indeed addressed what you're leveling. I've said it before, but I'll say it again for emphasis: I am not a black woman, and my attempts to convey how black women feel about this project centered around black womanhood will almost always be deficient in some ways. All I wanted to do was show a particular perspective on this. I can't wait for someone more qualified to take up the task. But until a black woman comes and writes an exemplary review for this, this will have to do.

no beyonce super fans are definitely entirely insufferable sorry. they treat her like she's an entirely infallible super god that everyone must kneel before in every situation, and the way politics are injected into literally everything she does even if they have no relevance is incredibly annoying (im not denying the fact that a lot of what she does is very political tho). beyonce fans on twitter and tumblr started telling people that they were being racist if they weren't mad over the fact that beck won a grammy instead of beyonce because the decision was clearly based on the fact that she's a black woman and like, actively started calling people out if they weren't making rage posts about it. just like 30 minutes ago i saw another post saying how rachael roy responding to getting called out on sleeping with jay z was disgusting and vile on her part because it was a disrespect to the "monument of joy anger and passion" that beyonce had crafted with lemonade. literally they got mad at someone for responding to a very public claim that she was involved in an affair, not even for how she responded but literally just the base fact that she made a response, just cause it was beyonce.

they are awful people

Album Rating: 4.5

Also, for all the cool cats discussing literature, I just finished Murakami's "Wind Up Bird Chronicle" and have started on Dostoevsky's "The Devils." Maybe I should get back to that and get off of this.

"on twitter and tumblr"

see that's where u went wrong

the length scared me at first too but then once u realize some of it is like the best use of the human language in existence u forget ur even reading a book near 1000 pages

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

Wind Up Bird Chronicle is fantastic, probably my favourite of his after Norwegian Wood

Album Rating: 4.0

the dark tower? noted!

Album Rating: 1.0

i didnt say they might not be insufferable i just insinuated that saying that they are the most insufferable fanbase is retarded. but i meant wrong and stupid cuz ableism. my bad.



but i mean u are finna insufferable half the time too so of course you would make some insufferably vast exaggeration about this.



like ffs you have to understand that grimes fans and kanye fans and fans of every scenecore bands exist im sorry but beyonce fans are fine compared to a lot of shit, they are at the very least easy to ignore unlike say future fans.

Album Rating: 4.0

Omg Murakami I had forgotten his name and I was looking for one of his books the other day... ;-; thank you, though.

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

That's probably true



But when im reading a book i like to think i made a good amount of progress in it each time rather than look at the 700 or so pages i have left i mean i generally dont read many books over 400

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

Kanye fans are just meme-posters and im ok with that

oh i mean beyonce super fans who haven't been consumed by the idea that she is an inherently political figure and every single action she makes is her expressing her pride as a black woman or whatever are fine, i have no beef with them, but there is a very very large chunk of them that genuinely do believe that and pretty much all beyonce super fans that are on social networks espec tumblr and twitter are like that and they are all terrible people

Album Rating: 2.5

"The denigration of black women is a historic problem, but it's become more prevalent (and in need of address) as black women become a more prominent force within society"



Repeating points we already agreed on don't really further your statement.



"You asking when relationships entered this is really telling since the entire album is about Jay Z cheating on her (that is, this album is built around analyzing relationships, both on the macro and micro level). The whole album deals with how she rose above the betrayal and found a way to reconcile with him, and she relates that to societal struggles (the ones we've been talking about for the better part of 2 hours)"



No bearing on the statement being discussed.



"And her independence does have a bearing on the denigration of women. It's an implicit retort to that denigration. The main line of attack or way of denigrating women's accomplishments is to say that they're nothing without the men who supported them. This is what's happening in BLM right now, and it's also a claim leveled against Beyonce for a while now (that is not in my review, mostly because it's a fairly well known debate happening in US leftist politics right now). Beyonce, in saying that she did it all on her own, is replying to these critiques, saying that she's not just successful because she married Jay Z, and women all over aren't successful solely because of the masculine presence that supposedly underlies everything they do (I talk about this in the context of the music industry)"



Still have yet to see the denigration of black women by men as a retaliation of their success. This is gonna' keep going if you keep going off tangents.



"And I didn't write that all men are nefarious infidels. That seems to be your sticking point, since you continually question the claim that men are denigrating women's accomplishments"



That is exactly my point, and this is exactly what you wrote (besides a lot of other things): "wherein men denigrate the accomplishments of women in an impotent attempt at saving face". If you don't mean something, don't write it, an issue that seems pretty prevalent within reviews on sputnik specifically.



"The reason I keep repeating the essence of my review is because I have indeed addressed what you're leveling. I've said it before"



Problem is, it's still tangents and bear no meaning in the discussion being had, which is you writing stuff out of your ass about this album and society.

yeah honestly kanye fans can be pretty terrible (in a lot of the same ways) a lot of the time too you're right there have just been so many more occasions in the last 2 or 3 years where ive seen something a beyonce fan said that just made me think god

shut the hell up oh my god