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JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
July 12th 2022


60493 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

I wouldn't call the unanswered questions of 1) just what is going on with this band rn 2) why almost all the key members have quit and 3) just what prompted the enormously uncomfortably defensive tone of that suicide post "doing a good job of it". Seems absolutely reasonable to be suspicious of him and the deletion of sensitive context atm

Thanks for sharing info about those posts Noctus - if you don't mind, I'm curious what experience you had of Danny being a twat (which I'd heard rumours about for a while before this, but never saw elaborated). No worries if you'd rather keep it to yourself

DarkNoctus
July 15th 2022


12206 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

"It's definitely possible he's on damage control, but could he delete posts on Reddit? It's a serious question, I've literally never used it. The Anathema Reddit page seems like a page independent of Danny and/or the band in general. "



not directly - but danny is known to get personally involved with fanpages and everything to do with their online presence. wouldn't be much effort for him to report/threaten litigation.



there's no other reason why the DM's from band members would be removed.



and with say, lostprophets, the allgegations were FRIGHTENINGLY serious - but keep in mind they only came to light when he was actually arrested. they were silenced otherwise. i don't think damage control would be possible if things got to that point.



"Thanks for sharing info about those posts Noctus - if you don't mind, I'm curious what experience you had of Danny being a twat"



i interjected in a conversation where he was insulting a fan for liking their old stuff more and calling people names for criticizing his band (it wasn't unreasnably worded criticism either). he shortly after deleted his account. he does a lot of very. impulsive shit so it makes these allegations more believable for me. i'm not calling them categorical truth either - but it's enough to make me very, very wary.



i've heard stories from other bands where he'd get insulted back in the peaceville days for people coming to his shows for the other bands and not knowing who anathema are. again, not claiming categorical truth as i was like... two when this happened and clearly not there lmao. but afaic if there's smoke there's a fire, regardless of the proportionality.

DarkNoctus
July 15th 2022


12206 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

ps: i was in a discord group that compiled a lot of this evidence that has now been deleted from the anathema subreddit (wasn't aware when i pointed willie there). i can't categorically say why it was all deleted - be it the fanpage trying to douse the fire, danny having something to do with it, both, neither, who knows... but i'm convinced there has to be some truth to it.

TalonsOfFire
Emeritus
July 15th 2022


20969 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

It’s never a good idea for the writer/creator to get involved with fan pages I imagine, can’t see that ever ending well haha

benkim
July 15th 2022


4813 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

thanks for the cancel culture spiel all the same but 1. it "can be a bit tough to prove something that's intentionally being hidden and we aren't 100% sure what the extent of the allegation is and 2. i'm not saying it is fact, and to be honest, i don't think everyone else is - they're simply sharing opinions/experiences. i'd love to understand why you're intentionally being dismissive about a very serious matter."



Because it is all speculative at this moment.



DarkNoctus
July 16th 2022


12206 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

even with it being speculative it's a serious matter and being dismissive about it is extremely unhelpful and as damaging as believing it falsely would be. if we operate on the fact it's true for a moment, i don't see how making statements about unsubstantiative it is because evidence is public would be reasonable, let alone kind. we're talking about something that is more or less impossible to categorically prove and seeing a bunch of internet weirdos calling it out is honestly a pretty damaging precedent. victims don't owe you shit.



i'm sharing information, expressing it's making me wary. as it should anybody, frankly. if it doesn't make you wary i'd call your principles into question.

DarkNoctus
July 16th 2022


12206 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

oh and



" There's literally no evidence for this. One of the former band members called him a 'nonce' which is always used as an insult in the UK I think. Nothing else has pointed towards that whatsoever. "



nonce literally means pedo. it's used as an insult *against pedos*. i'm from the UK. someone in a band who is aware of its definition and meaning would not use that kind of language if it wasn't fitting because they would know how it would be attributed. this is really weak.



also the allegations go deeper than one member calling him a nonce - he ended up in a head-to-head with the owner of a fanpage over a dispute over allegations that ended up in him all-caps responding ANATHEMA DO NOT TOUCH KIDS. the language was 100% intentional in its meaning.

Sharenge
July 16th 2022


5177 Comments


more of a cynicist myself

benkim
July 16th 2022


4813 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

"i'm sharing information, expressing it's making me wary. as it should anybody, frankly. if it doesn't make you wary i'd call your principles into question."



Lol come off it. We're suspending judgment because we have not seen any of this evidence that you claim exists." "Trust me bro" isn't evidence and your attempt at emotional manipulation isn't going to go anywhere here. I am very much willing to change my mind when presented with EVIDENCE. Until then I am treating your speculation as just that.



DarkNoctus
July 16th 2022


12206 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

emotional manipulation lmfao get real

benkim
July 16th 2022


4813 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

You're trying to make up my mind on an unclear issue by calling my "principles" into question. What do you call that? Get out of here with that bullshit tbh.

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
July 16th 2022


60493 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

thread: what's up with Danny is there an issue here?

Noctus: based on my detailed experience of various fan communities, there could very easily be an issue and we should be taking it seriously

thread: DON'T TELL ME HOW TO FEEL ABOUT THIS ISSUE





(thank you for the expo Noctus - not feeling optimistic on what comes out of this, but if there's fire under all that smoke than it's only a matter of time)

parksungjoon
July 16th 2022


47235 Comments


>and your attempt at emotional manipulation isn't going to go anywhere here


fandom brainrot and the irony

benkim
July 16th 2022


4813 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Wouldn't exactly give a crap either way so your stupid "fandom" comment is pulled right out of your narrow asshole. It's just a musician among thousands I listen to that I wouldn't even point out in a crowd as I don't even know how his face looks like. It isn't that serious. What's actually laughable is your ability to try and twist anything around anyone not jumping to conclusions on the issue.

parksungjoon
July 16th 2022


47235 Comments


very defensive for someone who doesnt give a crap

benkim
July 16th 2022


4813 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

You can make up your mind whichever way you want to be honest.

parksungjoon
July 16th 2022


47235 Comments


one of the nicest users on the site shares some info and you go on an unhinged tirade

def seems very fanboy lol

benkim
July 16th 2022


4813 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

You think calling into question my principles isn't meant to get me to think about this a certain way. Nice user or not, that is a laughable attempt.

parksungjoon
July 16th 2022


47235 Comments


sounds like youre taking things very personally

i suggest getting over yourself and maybe shutting up before you look like an even greater fool than you already do

benkim
July 16th 2022


4813 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Dude, you think I'm worried about how I look in front of some rando on some internet forum. Explains how you have 44k comments. Pathetic really. Some of us don't really take this shit seriously. So you're the one that needs to get over yourself. Thread has ran its course, go pontificate about shit that does not matter somewhere else



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