drewcordova
12.14.12 | So sad. My heart goes out to those who lost children. What a terrible place this world can be sometimes. |
ThroneOfAgony
12.14.12 | Damn these are beginning to happen on a daily basis
RIP |
Atari
12.14.12 | fuck this |
CK
12.14.12 | Last i heard, no children were killed? I haven't watched for like 30 minutes to an hour though so news may have changed. I did hear that the principle might have been shot, though. Of course, I don't know if that is true or not. Terrible news regardless. |
CelestialDust
12.14.12 | 18 children, at least 25 total dead |
CK
12.14.12 | Just turned on the news.
Fuck. This!
Prayers going out right now |
KSK1
12.14.12 | There were 27 people killed, 18 children. Fuck this world |
CK
12.14.12 | Terrible thing to joke about but okay, especially given current events |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | Fucked up |
ThroneOfAgony
12.14.12 | "There were 27 people killed, 18 children."
Holy shit, I don't think I've ever seen a huge number like that in the past like 10 years or so. Jeez |
CK
12.14.12 | One can't even begin to imagine what the parents are going through, and the survivors / witnesses of this event. Those kids had so much ahead of them |
Atari
12.14.12 | "The increase in the number of events like this is very disturbing" [2] |
Evreaia
12.14.12 | fuck mankind for harming children. |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | "The increase in the number of events like this is very disturbing"
meanwhile, in the civilised world |
lucasjcockcroft
12.14.12 | what the fuck, just 2 days ago some guy shot up a mall twenty minutes from where I live and now this. |
evilford
12.14.12 | unbelievable. words can't describe how awful this is. |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | It's hard to even think of what to say anymore. Don't get me wrong, it's horrible when anybody gets killed like this, but children? I just... I don't know |
AtomicShane
12.14.12 | @lucasjockcroft i live 10 min from that mall.....
|
evilford
12.14.12 | 18 children killed. yeah, no words for that.
may the shooter burn in hell being ripped limb from limb for all eternity |
demigod!
12.14.12 | this is fucked |
menawati
12.14.12 | how easy is it to get hold of a gun in the U.S. ? |
lucasjcockcroft
12.14.12 | AtomicShane you live in Portland? |
North0House2
12.14.12 | 27 dead at this point. Insanity. |
evilford
12.14.12 | great this is gonna turn into another gun control argument |
XingKing
12.14.12 | Why is this shit happening all the time now? |
demigod!
12.14.12 | i wonder if he was dressed up like Joker |
menawati
12.14.12 | just curious, no gun culture at all in my country, just have always wondered |
Atari
12.14.12 | maybe the world really is ending |
ThroneOfAgony
12.14.12 | "how easy is it to get hold of a gun in the U.S. ?"
Over here in Virginia, it's ridiculously easy to get a gun. Seriously, all you need to do is go to a shop and buy one off a whim. You don't need papers or anything, I believe. Don't know if that's the same for all the other states but it's like this in Virginia. Pretty damn bad imo |
toxin.
12.14.12 | holy shit that's awful :(
yet I'm supposed to forget about this and focus on taking two finals back-to-back
what has society done to me |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | Truly symbolic of a civilized society |
SquiddlyDiddly
12.14.12 | "maybe the world really is ending" contrary to American belief, America does not = The World. Good luck defending your precious gun rights now |
Cygnatti
12.14.12 | school shootings are increasing somewhat
but violence, gun-related or not, is decreasing in general. interesting. |
necromechanical
12.14.12 | this is beyond fucked up |
Atari
12.14.12 | not the time KILL |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | ""meanwhile, in the civilised world"
jeez...okay...these events 'in America'"
don't act pissy. these events are just much more uncommon in this part of the world. so you guys have got a problem |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | I feel like this thread is going to make me hate some of you |
KILL
12.14.12 | obama wants our gunz |
demigod!
12.14.12 | this threads gonna start some hardcore butthurt agreed |
North0House2
12.14.12 | You know, the whole gun control stuff is retarded. Since when to criminals follow the law? If you outlaw guns, then actual harmless, law-abiding citizens, WON'T have guns, but criminals who want them will still get them.
Think Prohibition. That didn't work well did it? Well, think if Prohibition dealt with guns. Yeah. Not a good idea.
Personally though, I'm not pro-gun. I hate them, I think they're unnecessary unless you hunt. But outlawing guns just makes it so only criminals have them... because if someone wants to shoot someone, they're gonna find a way to get a gun no matter what.
Just saying. |
Cygnatti
12.14.12 | aren't there a number of these kinds of things being stopped though? |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | "Think Prohibition."
Like in Europe?
"That didn't work well did it?"
ummmmmmmmmm |
KILL
12.14.12 | agreed everyone should have their own rpgs just in case |
menawati
12.14.12 | Doesn't really work that way northhouse. Organised crime will often involve guns but some nutter shooting kids in a school isnt organised crime. |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | anyway I'm just thankful these things aren't embedded in our culture |
SquiddlyDiddly
12.14.12 | @North0House2 Yet this level of depravity very rarely happens anywhere not called the middle east or Africa |
KILL
12.14.12 | (not wow!) |
KILL
12.14.12 | analhairs you know it, alex jonez is the truth |
KILL
12.14.12 | rosa you voted obama so u only have urself to blame |
Cygnatti
12.14.12 | "Yet this level of depravity very rarely happens anywhere not called the middle east or Africa"
or in Japan. Guns are so outlawed there, not even the police are allowed to have them. |
North0House2
12.14.12 | "@North0House2 Yet this level of depravity very rarely happens anywhere not called the middle east or Africa"
I dunno, the people in America are starting to get real screwed up. There are a lot of kids these days acting more like animals who don't really care about people. Kid that was in my college, 17 years old, just kidnapped and dismembered a 10 year old a few weeks ago. I'm pretty sure criminals won't care about the law. But that's just me. |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | fuck off analhairs |
DadKungFu
12.14.12 | Jesus fuck why? Fucking why? |
ZilbelPing
12.14.12 | "You know, the whole gun control stuff is retarded. Since when to criminals follow the law? If you outlaw guns, then actual harmless, law-abiding citizens, WON'T have guns, but criminals who want them will still get them.
Think Prohibition. That didn't work well did it? Well, think if Prohibition dealt with guns. Yeah. Not a good idea.
Personally though, I'm not pro-gun. I hate them, I think they're unnecessary unless you hunt. But outlawing guns just makes it so only criminals have them... because if someone wants to shoot someone, they're gonna find a way to get a gun no matter what.
Just saying."
Agreed.
North, you're one of the more intelligent users here. |
Cygnatti
12.14.12 | ... |
North0House2
12.14.12 | "Agreed.
North, you're one of the more intelligent users here."
Thanks Zilbel, glad someone agrees with me hahaha. |
demigod!
12.14.12 | obama hates children apparently |
KILL
12.14.12 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_4ibfVTQMk |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | go back to your trollhole |
SquiddlyDiddly
12.14.12 | @ZibelPing. yet in most other countries where guns aren't immediately available, this shit almost never happens. Criminals don't go on murder sprees for the lulz, lunatics do. Criminals are in it for money, what the fuck is there to gain from killing random people? |
DadKungFu
12.14.12 | People died today, most of them children. Can we have some respect and save the political bullshit for tomorrow at least? |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | "Doesn't really work that way northhouse. Organised crime will often involve guns but some nutter shooting kids in a school isnt organised crime."
^^ |
Atari
12.14.12 | "People died today, most of them children. Can we have some respect and save the political bullshit for tomorrow at least?"
agreed |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | @ SquiddlyDiddly - It's a blatant display of anomie. These people are trying to fragment society and perpetuate fear. |
henryChinaski
12.14.12 | But guys, guns don't kill people. People kill people...right? |
AtomicShane
12.14.12 | @lucasjcockcroft yup. clackamas to be specific |
North0House2
12.14.12 | "@ZibelPing. yet in most other countries where guns aren't immediately available, this shit almost
never happens. Criminals don't go on murder sprees for the lulz, lunatics do. Criminals are in it for
money, what the fuck is there to gain from killing random people?"
Well, considering the fact I live in Denver and there have been an insane amount of gruesome murders
and shootings here lately... I'm pretty sure people are just starting to disregard life and go
insane. Well, where I live at least. Like I said a bit ago, a kid that was in my college, only 17
years old, kidnapped a 10 year old girl, murdered her, ripped her to shreds, and then put her remains
in his closet. He looked normal too, just like any other 17 year old kid. Then we had Holmes and his
shooting... Then we had the guy in Oregon just a few days ago. Now this. None of this people are in
it for money, at all. They're just killing. No amount of laws are going to stop someone from killing
if they want to kill. If they want to kill, they'll find a way. We outlaw guns, well there are
crossbows, swords, poison, bombs... A kid from School of Mines here in Colorado shot his dad and his
father's girlfriend with a crossbow and killed them. That'd even happen if we outlawed guns.
Again, I'm not pro-gun. I don't think they should be around. But I'm just saying. If people want to
kill, they'll kill. |
Minus.
12.14.12 | This is why I stay the fuck home these days. |
henryChinaski
12.14.12 | 24/7? |
KILL
12.14.12 | i bet hans is on prison planet right now |
TheSpirit
12.14.12 | And we Americans wonder why other countries look at us like monsters |
Minus.
12.14.12 | Thanks to this lunatic, Christmas is ruined for a lot of families. Mass killings are happening every week it seems. Why cant these fucking crazy bastards just stay home and shoot themselves? |
henryChinaski
12.14.12 | 'Cause they want to say goodbye with a bang. |
toxin.
12.14.12 | "Agreed.
North, you're one of the more intelligent users here."
because regarding one of the most controversial topics of 21st America... if you believe one side of the argument you are more intelligent!! |
North0House2
12.14.12 | "And we Americans wonder why other countries look at us like monsters"
This. |
North0House2
12.14.12 | Also, frick man. I'm gonna stay indoors on the 21st. I can't imagine what all these lunatics will be doing on that day. |
Crymsonblaze
12.14.12 | "You know, the whole gun control stuff is retarded. Since when to criminals follow the law? If you outlaw guns, then actual harmless, law-abiding citizens, WON'T have guns, but criminals who want them will still get them.
Think Prohibition. That didn't work well did it? Well, think if Prohibition dealt with guns. Yeah. Not a good idea.
Personally though, I'm not pro-gun. I hate them, I think they're unnecessary unless you hunt. But outlawing guns just makes it so only criminals have them... because if someone wants to shoot someone, they're gonna find a way to get a gun no matter what.
Just saying."
Actually, prohibition was pretty successful.
I sort of agree though that it would be difficult to get rid of guns successfully short of an all out ban. Personally, I'm all for it though . I live in the south where the right to bear arms is right up there with church and food, but man I hate guns. |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | Prohibition was so successful that it was abolished |
toxin.
12.14.12 | "And we Americans wonder why other countries look at us like monsters"
Because of our foreign policy of killing civilians in Pakistan? If other countries think Americans are monsters based on the actions of a few fucking idiots then fuck them |
Minus.
12.14.12 | And we Americans wonder why other countries look at us like monsters
It's not just happening in America. Something similar happened in a school in China today as well.
http://www.ibtimes.com/school-stabbing-china-focuses-attention-inadequate-mental-health-care-938335
|
Crymsonblaze
12.14.12 | "Prohibition was so successful that it was abolished"
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/16/opinion/actually-prohibition-was-a-success.html |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | @Crymsonblaze - You realize that you are starting an argument that has nothing to do with the lives that were lost in this shooting |
Crymsonblaze
12.14.12 | You started it. |
intotheshit
12.14.12 | "anyway I'm just thankful these things aren't embedded in our culture"
anarchistfish, everyone. |
Steoandnoodles
12.14.12 | Tragic. Truly horrible. =( |
TumsFestival
12.14.12 | "what the fuck, just 2 days ago some guy shot up a mall twenty minutes from where I live and now this."
Brookfeild WI? |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | No, I stated a fact. You, however are prodding. If you want to continue this make a seperate list. Arguing here is disrespect. |
Crymsonblaze
12.14.12 | "No, I stated a fact. You, however are prodding. If you want to continue this make a seperate list. Arguing here is disrespect."
No, I stated a fact. You, however, are being an idiot. If you want to continue being an idiot, go play in traffic. Being an idiot here is disrespect. |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | Some people... |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | ""anyway I'm just thankful these things aren't embedded in our culture"
anarchistfish, everyone."
fuck off this site |
Crymsonblaze
12.14.12 | "Some people..."
Yea |
KILL
12.14.12 | sonic dude they want our guns |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | "28 kill streak with a 9 mm. Dude's got some mad skills" shut up |
SquiddlyDiddly
12.14.12 | "28 kill streak with a 9 mm. Dude's got some mad skills" easy to make jokes when it doesn't directly affect you, isn't it. |
intotheshit
12.14.12 | for the europeans who look down on us americans why don't you look into the Cumbria tragedy, or what happened in erfurt, germany, winnenden, germany, or dunblane, scotland? up until today those were the three worst school shootings in recorded history. now i'm not saying the u.s. is any better, but let's put this useless posturing to rest here |
Acanthus
12.14.12 | Really could care less, things like this have become more of a major inconvenience as social media moves forward.
It's sad that people die, though people are always dying somewhere and these students went well before their time.
However more pressing issues, such as HSBC laundering Mexican cartel money and doing other illegal activities, will now be pushed to the background to make room for this. |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | Wafflez - you're not edgy, just fucking stop |
henryChinaski
12.14.12 | Yeah but there's a shooting in the US every week. |
KILL
12.14.12 | cant remember the last time there was a school shootin here in sunny england but sweet |
ShadowRemains
12.14.12 | holy shit... |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | @ Acanthus - Turning tragedy into competition is certainly a good approach |
NightmareCinema16
12.14.12 | This is sad. God rest their souls. |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | @ Acanthus: This speaks directly to what we are as humans. Most of us hold life dearly. Of course there are very important things happening in this world, but something like makes you contemplate your own (and your children's) mortality. |
SquiddlyDiddly
12.14.12 | @intotheshit, those events happen so regularly in Europe that people have stopped recording them... or they very rarely happen. |
Acanthus
12.14.12 | Perhaps, for me it just reaffirms the expectancy of idiots that we're bound to meet up with in life since I lack children. |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | "for the europeans who look down on us americans why don't you look into the Cumbria tragedy, or what happened in erfurt, germany, winnenden, germany, or dunblane, scotland? up until today those were the three worst school shootings in recorded history. now i'm not saying the u.s. is any better, but let's put this useless posturing to rest here"
much more common in the US |
intotheshit
12.14.12 | granted school shootings are the worst of the worst but statistics have shown that gun violence is on the rise all over europe, especially in the u.k. just because it's not a mass murder doesn't mean it's not happening.
either way this shit needs to stop. whether it's here or somewhere else, it's a fucking tragedy. being a father myself my heart goes out to those families, especially the parents. |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | "being a father myself my heart goes out to those families, especially the parents."
This. How many kids? |
KILL
12.14.12 | hahahaha sonics comment rip |
henryChinaski
12.14.12 | It's not gonna stop, unfortunately. |
KILL
12.14.12 | pit dude its still 4589904854x worse in the us come on dont go all hans on me |
intotheshit
12.14.12 | "This. How many kids?"
two, a boy and a girl |
intotheshit
12.14.12 | "pit dude its still 4589904854x worse in the us come on dont go all hans on me"
i never said we were any better,but i just wanted to point out that it happens in europe a lot as well. |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | Yeah. I've got two boys. You don't have to be a parent to understand the tragedy (obviously), but it makes you scared for your kid's future when you are. |
8bit
12.14.12 | Rest in Peace. Thoughts are with the families, I can't even imagine. I wish someone could have stopped this, this is so awful. |
SquiddlyDiddly
12.14.12 | "especially the UK" almost all the gun crime is gang related. London (Where the vast majority occurs) is also less than 46% white British, no wonder gun crime is on the rise. |
KILL
12.14.12 | yea but youre making it seem like its a huge problem everywhere, its hardly a prob in the uk, and seems like a damn big one in the us |
intotheshit
12.14.12 | from what i've seen in my four years on this site, the majority of the europeans like to ignore their own social, economical, and cultural issues and just point out the faults of us americans. i just wanted to level the playing field a bit. |
Sowing
12.14.12 | This world is so messed up. As a teacher this makes me wonder how people keep walking right into schools. We desperately need better school security. |
intotheshit
12.14.12 | kill it's a major problem here and probably more so than europe. this country is falling apart on so many levels, but ther rest of the world isn't far behind. |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | As far as individual responsibility is concerned, Bill Hicks said, "Love the people that are already here instead of living for a future that never fucking comes." Sounds good to me. |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | yeah we have our own problems. we don't ignore them, it's just that those issues don't often get talked about on the internet when it's dominated by americans and US culture.
actually most people here in the UK believe that the UK and Europe are pretty fucked at the moment.
although most gun crime is to do with inter gang violence. usually when people kill each other they use knives. |
SquiddlyDiddly
12.14.12 | Europe is fucked on an economic, not moral level |
henryChinaski
12.14.12 | Both. |
intotheshit
12.14.12 | morals don't only pertain to school shootings, buddy. |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | "Europe is fucked on an economic, not moral level"
pretty much
|
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | Because gauging morality is soooooo much easier than economics. Right... |
americanohno
12.14.12 | Oh my god anarchist fish is an idiot, this is awful, awful, awful. it seems meaningless to even make any kind of comment on it especially on a lighthearted music website but hell.
I remember reading an article about the mass shooting problem Australia was having in the 70s (I think in Port Arthur 30 people were killed in a single incident) and were able to eliminate this problem thru stricter gun control.
|
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | though we have social issues. racism's still a big problem in mainland europe, not so much in the UK. xenophobia's pretty big in the UK though |
KjSwantko
12.14.12 | Who the fuck mass murders children? This like an all-time new low for America. Absolutely unbelievable. |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | Sowing, what grade level do you teach? |
SeaAnemone
12.14.12 | obviously a huge tragedy, I have friends from that area of CT...
in all honesty I'm not quite sure where I stand on gun ownership laws (besides the obvious regulate-regulate-regulate who gets one stipulation), but those decrying gun control generally make idiotic arguments, so there's that
and while I'm not trying to downplay this at all, people saying "Omg the world, the horror the horror! Things are getting so much worse" are just being sensationalist and kinda dumb, violence has been declining pretty steadily in general for a long long time |
KILL
12.14.12 | kris we should ban all gunz agreed |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | "Oh my god anarchist fish is an idiot"
and you are? |
Trebor.
12.14.12 | guns r lame |
KILL
12.14.12 | http://www.juancole.com/2011/01/over-9000-murders-by-gun-in-us-39-in-uk.html |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | pretty much |
MMX
12.14.12 | Poor Kids RIP
|
eleventhsun
12.14.12 | There was also an attack on a primary school in China. 23 children were stabbed. No deaths but what the fuck?
This is two elementary schools in the same day, on complete opposite sides of the world.
It's a dark fucking day. |
KjSwantko
12.14.12 | "kris we should ban all gunz agreed"
lol not fallin' for your trap this time, broski. |
Crymsonblaze
12.14.12 | "we should ban all gunz agreed"
Yeah, basically. |
ChopSuey
12.14.12 | its creepy cause I live in Newtown |
SquiddlyDiddly
12.14.12 | erase all existence and knowledge of guns is the only way |
intotheshit
12.14.12 | The UK is about the same size as Oregon and the population is 230,000,000+ less than the US. Yeah, that's a pretty fair comparison KILL. |
SquiddlyDiddly
12.14.12 | they compare it relatively, per capita |
Trebor.
12.14.12 | Whenever something like this happens I have to avoid facebook for a few days |
KILL
12.14.12 | http://i.imgur.com/yrLcT.jpg |
KILL
12.14.12 | yea pit read the article |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | @ intotheshit - how dare you use adequate logic and reason in a thread that calls for such rationale to be use!!! This is a lighthearted music site at best. God I'm soooooo Flustered by what you've typed and insinuated!!! I shall never recoverrr!!!!!! |
Trebor.
12.14.12 | lol omg worst thing ever the world is ending and I'm like bitch have you even heard of WWII? |
Recspecs
12.14.12 | Fuck man |
intotheshit
12.14.12 | Except they don't. If you actually look up REAL statistics rather than read juancole.com, you might know the real truth. |
KILL
12.14.12 | savage ur dum |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | @ savage - trying harder than usual to be a dramatic faggot. Jeez go listen to Bowi Like a Real Man |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | "http://i.imgur.com/yrLcT.jpg"
what the fuck |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | Poor kids
poor parents
Makes me sick to my stomach. |
KILL
12.14.12 | omni do you blame video games? movies? paintball? |
SquiddlyDiddly
12.14.12 | Everyone who owns a gun in America is a hunter obviously. I mean, Glockz and .9mm's are perfect for shooting game |
Sanders
12.14.12 | "http://i.imgur.com/yrLcT.jpg"
what the fuck [2] |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | any known motive yet? |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | @ kill - sarcasm? wait, nope, guess not. |
Trebor.
12.14.12 | "any known motive yet?"
What kind of question is that? The dude's fucked in the head |
KILL
12.14.12 | ur gay yea |
intotheshit
12.14.12 | When did I ever say we don't need gun control and stricter gun laws lol? |
someguest
12.14.12 | This dude was mad at his mommy. |
SquiddlyDiddly
12.14.12 | @Whaling there is, it's called the USA |
KILL
12.14.12 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_4ibfVTQMk |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | "What kind of question is that? The dude's fucked in the head"
obviously
doesn't mean there wasn't a motive |
evilford
12.14.12 | 'at times like these you wish there was a hell'
[2] hard |
dylantheairplane
12.14.12 | Random input here but today also some guy in China went into a school and stabbed a bunch of little kids with a knife...so it isn't just America. |
intotheshit
12.14.12 | Lol motive doesn't matter when you're mentally ill enough to kill 4-10 year olds. |
dawija1017
12.14.12 | this kind of shit happens almost everyday in Africa...does it really take media coverage for people to sympathize |
zxlkho
12.14.12 | poop |
KILL
12.14.12 | ya but no one died in china |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | ""kris we should ban all gunz agreed""
Such a simplistic statement is completely trite and insulting to everyone else with a brain.
Assuming we just did what you said... how much harder do you think it would be for a 24y/o man to kill the same amount of people with knives, swords, crossbows or a few dozen other weapon types including home made projectiles? Not to mention the fact that you could ban guns right now and it wouldn't affect the millions of guns currently in private hands that we barely have any records of so do try to be realistic. |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | "omni do you blame video games? movies? paintball?"
No, because I'm not retarded. |
intotheshit
12.14.12 | It's easy to have opinions when you're covered in cheetoh dust, living on your parents' dime, and typing "thrash hard m/" every 20 seconds. |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | Anarchist: I haven't heard of a motive yet. The police are usually pretty tight lipped at this point in an investigation. |
dylantheairplane
12.14.12 | No one may have died in China but it was still sick regardless. My point isnt about gun control or anything like that but blaming America for all the fucked up things in the world is totally unjust. Bad shit happens everywhere |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | " Such a simplistic statement is completely trite and insulting to everyone else with a brain." Then don't degrade yourself and choose someone more difficult to single out to prove your intellectual worth. Hell, I'm willing. |
SquiddlyDiddly
12.14.12 | Central America, still America |
KILL
12.14.12 | lol omni same shit happened today in china, a dude with a knife slashed like 20 kidz but none died, guns are much more dangerous you are a tard to think otherwise and just cos you and hans love to kill bunnies to feel manly doesnt mean you gota keep lettin kidz walk in walmart and buyin m16z |
KILL
12.14.12 | pit still pissed cos i laughed when his wife left him damn chill bro! |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | "omni do you blame video games? movies? paintball?"
Where did that come from kill?
I just said I was sick to my stomach... I have kids bro. |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | "doesnt mean you gota keep lettin kidz walk in walmart and buyin m16z" Nobody can buy an M-16 because it's an automatic weapon. The guy did this with 2 semi-auto handguns. He was also 20, so he obtained the guns illegally anyways. |
someguest
12.14.12 | Yeah KILL, he has children. He didn't think 7 billion people on this planet was enough. |
cirq
12.14.12 | obama staged this. |
KILL
12.14.12 | dude were talkin politics to look smart play along
obama wants our guns but we aint lettin him so fuck his socialist ass |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | "I have kids bro." It's a lot more real when you have kids around the age of the ones that were killed. |
henryChinaski
12.14.12 | He was 24... |
Trebor.
12.14.12 | "this kind of shit happens almost everyday in Africa...does it really take media coverage for people to sympathize"
People only care when it's their own country dude, or at least white people |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | "guns are much more dangerous"
Agreed fair point
"just cos you and hans love to kill bunnies to feel manly"
I don't hunt and I own no guns, not sure why you assume I do.
"keep lettin kidz walk in walmart and buyin m16z"
This doesn't happen now. |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | @ Henry. You're right. I was using old information. My fault. |
Greyvy
12.14.12 | it's easy to have opinions when you're covered in cheetoh dust, living on your parents' dime, and typing "thrash hard m/" every 20 seconds.
fuck you bro |
SquiddlyDiddly
12.14.12 | Except that the USA is a "superpower" and most African countries are 3rd world/poverty stricken or a developing country so there will obviously be major discrepancies in law and order |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | "He didn't think 7 billion people on this planet was enough."
What does that have to do with anything, generalized sarcasm ftw? |
someguest
12.14.12 | I'm wondering why people continue to have children. |
SquiddlyDiddly
12.14.12 | i agree someguest |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | "People only care when it's their own country dude, or at least white people"
I think it's just down to people relating more to people of their own culture, language, wealth etc
the details make it feel much more real though |
cirq
12.14.12 | @someguest cuz it feels so much better without a condom |
KILL
12.14.12 | GOTA PROCREATE TO GET ACCEPTED INTO HEAVEN |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | So no one should get to have children because it makes no sense to you? I'm well below average does that count? |
someguest
12.14.12 | I mean look, I know my flaws in and out. Why would I want to pass these flaws onto another individual? |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | "I'm wondering why people continue to have children."
Don't. |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | "Except that the USA is a "superpower" and most African countries are 3rd world/poverty stricken or a developing country so there will obviously be major discrepancies in law and order"
see this is the problem. what difference does that make? the core issue isn't that this is happening in a "developed" country, but that it's happening at all.
I think people from the US, UK etc devalue the lives of people living in places like Africa. I'm not really sure why and I don't think it's people's individual faults, but it is a little concerning |
intotheshit
12.14.12 | "pit still pissed cos i laughed when his wife left him damn chill bro!"
yeah i was prescribed prozac for that thanks for the reminder to take it. |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | I have my own list of hangups to battle through in order to take care of my kids I don't need yours to Feater. ;-) |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | "I mean look, I know my flaws in and out. Why would I want to pass these flaws onto another individual?"
You can't worry about that man. Nobody is perfect, and their children won't be either. It's not really a good reason not too though. You just have to accept your flaws, and try to do your best to change them. |
ViperAces
12.14.12 | i agree with menawati, u.s is fucking crazy
cant wait to see all of these maniacs who think the world will end the 21st go on fucking crusades and shit |
dawija1017
12.14.12 | Maybe we should just go manifest some destiny in Africa instead of letting their never ending 3rd world massacres, that nobody REALLY cares about, continue |
AtomicShane
12.14.12 | update: 20 kids died not 18 |
STOP SHOUTING!
12.14.12 | get rid of guns, it isn't that complicated. |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | Being proud of the place your parent chose to copulate and birth you is fucking dumb. I'm proud to be an American because this is where my parents boned and this is all I've ever known and I'm afraid of change. |
cirq
12.14.12 | 2nd amendment, it isnt that complicated |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | "i agree with menawati, u.s is fucking crazy"
I guess, in comparison to some places but I can think of loads of places I wouldn't want to live right now on every other continent on the planet so... |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | "get rid of guns, it isn't that complicated."
It is. It may make you feel good to say it, but it is impossible. There are so many privately held weapons that it can't happen. |
Crymsonblaze
12.14.12 | The second amendment is by far the dumbest |
Trophycase
12.14.12 | I mean you can blame the fucking desensitization of human life because of the fucking media, movies, and whatever that happens nowadays. Not to mention this dude was probably just some selfish and fucked up prick who just wanted attention because our culture breeds these kind of fucking waste of life leeches.
Maybe this country wouldn't suck a big one if our government didn't feed us filtered and propagandized shit thinking that's what's best for the American public... all the while creating a society of mass ignorance, brainlessness, and idiocy.
There's really just no hope at this point. The government will continue to press and press upon human rights, trying to mold the public into the most controllable, hive-minded group possible in order to continue to assert its "dominance" in the eyes of the brainwashed middle class. |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | gunman's mother was a teacher and he killed her |
NecrogenicShrimp
12.14.12 | Wow, really scary and sad. RIP |
BillTheButcher
12.14.12 | "This is why I stay the fuck home these days."
coward |
SquiddlyDiddly
12.14.12 | the internet is the worst thing that ever happened |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | @Trophycase please tell me you don't take drugs recreationally. |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | Yeah man I have the Carlin discog. Even when he was clean. Lenny Bruce is the greatest though. But, hey, I'm a raving idiot, so please, don't listen to me... |
Scoot
12.14.12 | i feel bad for the ryan lanza that fox news posted to their website as apparently its the wrong ryan lanza
hopefully he sues their asses and gets a ton of money...what a bunch of morons |
someguest
12.14.12 | Goodbye to guns? This is still The Wild West son, and will remain that way. |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | "call me out if im wrong, but i think this is bigger than colombine...
anyway americans are probably going to be saying goodbye to guns soon
atleast they should be"
It is. However, there isn't simply a way for us to say goodbye to guns. I have no doubt that this will be a springboard for legislation on stricter gun control though. |
Trophycase
12.14.12 | @omni How is that relevant?
My thoughts and prayers obviously go out to the children and the families of the children. Not only the ones that were killed, but the ones that will be absolutely traumatized for a good part of their lives. I can see how you would assume that the empathy wasn't there, but I assure you that it is.
Honestly I was just trying to stir up some shit, maybe get GaryJohnson2012 in here, see how things play out. |
dawija1017
12.14.12 | @Crymsonblaze
2nd amendment isn't the dumbest at all lmao... if it didn't exist, it would just become another black market trafficking system dominated by straight up thugs and criminals...is that what you think is smart? having no way to defend yourself because you conform to the law, while criminals who don't give a fuck illegally control the gun market |
ApplicationToHeaven
12.14.12 | "http://i.imgur.com/yrLcT.jpg"
holy shit!!!! |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | GaryJohnson2012 m/ |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | Tryophy and dawija restoring my faith |
someguest
12.14.12 | Let's ban cars too! |
SquiddlyDiddly
12.14.12 | @dawija1017. nice logic, check out countries that do have gun laws/restrictions. The majority of people without the guns live in fear that all the criminals will suddenly start attacking innocent people coz they know we're unarmed. Yeah that doesn't happen by the way. |
henryChinaski
12.14.12 | "anyway americans are probably going to be saying goodbye to guns soon"
Good one. |
Devastator
12.14.12 | There is no pit in hell deep enough for this "person". Who would do this to KIDS!? |
menawati
12.14.12 | @dawija1017 - whatever the gun laws are the crims will be able to control the black market. But if you have a populace that are not armed and a police force that don't generally carry firearms then the great majority of the criminal fraternity will not carry guns due to the lack of arms escalation. This is the case in Europe. |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | "the guys who are defending gun laws"
I don't think anyone in here is. |
savagecabbage
12.14.12 | @ Menawati - for those of us in America, everything you just typed is not valid. There is no catharsis here. We fester, we boil, and eventually shit hits the fan. I wonder why no other country fucks with us... |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | lol k bro |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | Who?
/looks around |
menawati
12.14.12 | "@menawati logically sound but is violence as much a part of the culture over there as it is in a lot of parts in americuh?"
Well yea sure there is violence in UK culture - stabbings, beatings, muggings, much is due to racial tension or malcontentment. If we had a population armed with guns it would probably be worse than the USA. |
Spec
12.14.12 | USA needs to tighten their gun laws. |
ViperAces
12.14.12 | i cant even remember the last time a thing like this happend in israel
well if you disinclude the terror that is |
AtomicWaste
12.14.12 | Metal detectors and locked multi-door security checkpoint entryways in every school. Mark it.
Government can't/won't afford security for every school (especially when they're already laying off teachers left and right/letting numbers go down through attrition) and it's probably the best alternative solution since gun control won't happen. And currently, all you have to do to get into a school is push the buzzer. The doors may be locked, but they let anyone in.
Hopefully this will change things a little at one of the schools I work at - my classroom door is unlocked all day and they don't give me a key. So if someone came in shooting I couldn't secure the classroom without leaving and hoping that another teacher could lock my room for me.
Some of the other schools are good, though. Most classroomas have shatter-proof glass and poor vantage points for entryway fire. School I was at today has door magnets set up so that you just leave the door locked and keep these magnets on the threshold to leave the door slightly ajar. If things go into lockdown you just take the magnet off and shut the door. |
menawati
12.14.12 | "ahh i see. didn't know if there was as much racial tension and gang related incidents over there"
all sorts of shit, organised crime syndicates from eastern europe, whites vs south asians in inner cities, people traffiking, ghettos, its a fucking mess |
SquiddlyDiddly
12.14.12 | Nowhere in the world has as much racial tension as the UK, france and Italy are close though |
Douglas
12.14.12 | More terrorist attacks on your own people other those of ethnic base, which Americans seem to fear. Get it through your thick skulls, ban commercial gun rights |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | "So if someone came in shooting I couldn't secure the classroom"
Use your body hero. |
menawati
12.14.12 | "Nowhere in the world has as much racial tension as the UK, france and Italy are close though"
It's because of mass immigration of the past 10 years, huge influx of people a lot of them just here looking for handouts. Too many came here in too short a time - lack of integration meaning that we get different areas dominated by different cultures. |
Trophycase
12.14.12 | "Nowhere in the world has as much racial tension as the UK, france and Italy are close though"
Lol apparently America and Europe are "the world" now. Have you looked at the Middle East recently, or perhaps anywhere near the Indian Subcontinent? |
dawija1017
12.14.12 | AtomicWaste, yeah it may help to some degree, but it makes you wonder if these psychotics would adapt to it...maybe wait until school is over before they strike.. doesn't sound quite as effective as you'd think |
Trophycase
12.14.12 | I mean I understand it's probably pretty bad there, but I don't know if you can go making statements like that. |
menawati
12.14.12 | well trophycase if we are talking about middle east, india and other areas such as most of SE Asia that's religious tension more than racial tension |
SquiddlyDiddly
12.14.12 | The Middle East has been unstable since time began. This is a given and anyone who has ever read/listened to the news knows this, the rest of the world doesn't hear about the problems in small European countries because they are not globally relevant |
YoYoMancuso
12.14.12 | I just got home from work, literally found out about this 3 seconds ago. Holy fuck this is terrible. |
dawija1017
12.14.12 | I suppose in general there isn't a sure fire way to control these people from doing something to this severity again...if someone is so insane and dedicated to "making a name for themselves" through genocide, they will adapt and find a way to do so. =/ |
Trophycase
12.14.12 | I guess I didn't realize that the xenophobia and racism in Europe wasn't well know. (apologies on the double negative)
@mena, well that may be true. But to a degree, it's nearly the same thing. Most of the racism in Europe comes from either historic differences (which are also present in the religious tension) or cultural differences (lack of integration, coming for free handouts). Both of these things are present in the religious tensions you see elsewhere. |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | "Nowhere in the world has as much racial tension as the UK, france and Italy are close though"
There's no way there's more racism here than anywhere else. There's tension because of the immensely broad mix but overall people are much more tolerant than in other mainland european countries |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | @AnarchistFish always the blind patriot, willing to shit on any other country the moment an opportunity arises. |
menawati
12.14.12 | Racism and racial tension are different tho. I have no problem with the Pakistanis who live next door they are great people but I resent having to be 'careful' when i go to Hackney, parts of which are very dangerous due to lack of racial integration. |
ViperAces
12.14.12 | religious tensions = racial tensions over here basically |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | "@AnarchistFish always the blind patriot, willing to shit on any other country the moment an opportunity arises."
um I'm french and racism is a big problem back in france |
ViperAces
12.14.12 | ask omair |
Tesla
12.14.12 | Terrible, terrible news. These young children will surely remember this for the rest of their lives, and it's just not fair. These are innocent children, what could someone possibly gain from killing anyone...especially these kids? Absolutely nothing, yet taking away our gun rights just because a couple of lowlifes decided to shoot up an elementary school isn't fair either. Whether guns stay legal or not, criminals will always figure out a way to obtain some sort of weapon to toughen themselves up to start a violent crime like this. My heart truly goes out to the families involved. |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | "Europe is fucked on an economic, not moral level"
"pretty much"
Twats
Europe... where 95 percent of american morality was bred.
"um I'm french and racism is a big problem back in france"
Historically speaking that makes so much sense I'm just not sure what that has to do with what I said.
Would a frenchman really spell France in all lower case?
I call shenanigans. |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | ""Europe is fucked on an economic, not moral level"
"pretty much"
Twats
Europe... where 95 percent of american morality was bred. "
was referring to the economic statement there. like I've said, we do have our own social problems.
"Historically speaking that makes so much sense I'm just not sure what that has to do with what I said. "
you think I'm a patriot and that I look to "shit" on other countries? that makes no sense, lol, I feel no patriotism to the UK and the vast majority of the time I'd be criticising it, but this is one area where I think the UK performs well, from what I've seen.
"Would a frenchman really spell France in all lower case?
I call shenanigans."
yeah you do that |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | I really need to make myself clearer, I do myself no favours in threads like these |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | It's probably because you're a twat js. |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | it's ok I understand |
ZombieParty
12.14.12 | R.I.P. To the victims...they should have changed the gun laws from the dark knight rises shootings or maybe they'll let it happen again 100 times over then might do something |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | Hahahaha |
toxin.
12.14.12 | "what the hell do people think changing gun laws will do. you act like people will just accept that and happily turn in all their weapons. my retarded ass grandpa bought 4k shells because he thought obama was gonna take away his guns -_-"
how about make idiots like your grandpa give their weapons up? what, is this 1783 again? are our laws unenforceable? |
AtomicWaste
12.14.12 | "AtomicWaste, yeah it may help to some degree, but it makes you wonder if these psychotics would adapt to it...maybe wait until school is over before they strike.. doesn't sound quite as effective as you'd think"
With the amount of guns already in circulation, banning them probably wouldn't stop that from happening anyway. It's the best thing that can be done to stop mass murders like this. As noted above, mass stabbings and such still happen in nations like China, Japan, and Korea, where even pocket knives are banned. A particular incident where a Korean student stabbed a friend of mine who was teaching with me over there comes to mind. They all carry box cutters. You can only ban so much. Violence will still happen.
What will probably happen is there will be like a "security chamber" with metal detectors and cameras. Individuals will be evaluated before they're let into the office. The office doors to the school will be locked by a code known only by authorized personnel. I'm telling you. |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | "it's ok I understand"
Do you because I want to make sure.
You understand... that in my experience, your understanding of other countries in general is limited and small. You have shit on the US in every US based thread I've ever seen you in which causes me to assume you simply haven't been here before.
You seem to have some real animosity towards us and considering the fact that you are probably 20 I doubt it's founded in anything real. I'm no super patriot I just don't get it.
I certainly hope I've never come off that way to anyone about their country on here. I love to travel and I love other cultures. It would be fucking horrible to spend money to go all the way to Australia or NZ. Then you get off the plain and have someone say hey dude and hand me a fucking Bud Light. I think I'd fucking cry. |
AtomicWaste
12.14.12 | "how about make idiots like your grandpa give their weapons up? what, is this 1783 again? are our laws unenforceable?"
You go ahead and force a man pointing a loaded gun at you to give it up when you're on his property. You underestimate the amount of insanity in the nation's rednecks and crazies. |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | "how about make idiots like your grandpa give their weapons up? what, is this 1783 again? are our laws unenforceable?"
Our laws are enforced. We don't have laws banning guns. If we passed one, it would take an ENORMOUS amount of manpower to try to reposess guns. That would end with an extremely high amount of bloodshed because people will not give up their guns willingly. Whether you like it or not, that's the way it is. |
toxin.
12.14.12 | holy shit how the fuck is this an argument:
"NO POINT BANNING GUNS CUZ PEOPLE CAN BRING KNIVES"
are you kidding? the cool part about knives are that they're not projectiles. If you have a knife and are trying to kill me, I can run the fuck away. in fact, it speaks for itself that this was a GUN crime and not a knife crime. If using knives were as efficient (or a crossbow or whatever fucking inane argument you wanna come up with) then they'd be murdering with knives instead of guns. Why not at least hinder these people? |
Uranium
12.14.12 | they need to create a law where you must past multiple sanity tests before being aloud to purchase a gun, this is fucking bull |
toxin.
12.14.12 | "Our laws are enforced. We don't have laws banning guns. If we passed one, it would take an ENORMOUS amount of manpower to try to reposess guns. That would end with an extremely high amount of bloodshed because people will not give up their guns willingly. Whether you like it or not, that's the way it is."
the key isn't to ban them altogether but to make it significantly harder to own one. Background checks, etc. Check out editorials on how easy it was for the COL shooter to get his hands on a gun despite being depressed and shit.
as for the bullshit "zomg they'll fire at policemen"---so you'd rather have a mass shootings of children like this happen instead of couple of crazies fire at policemen (who are trained for this bullshit)? No one said it'd be easy but fuck that's the laziest, most pessimistic, and most fatalistic bullshit response yet on this thread |
RollieQuibbs
12.14.12 | Is there a way to stop people from buying guns on the black market? I am too dumb to think of one. |
Emim
12.14.12 | "don't act pissy. these events are just much more uncommon in this part of the world. so you guys have got a problem"
you live in europe, right? |
Emim
12.14.12 | and gun control won't do shit, you morons. |
toxin.
12.14.12 | who cares? the black market isn't going to go away regardless of whether guns are easy to buy or not.
the point of gun control isn't to stop all gun violence---it's to curb it. The fact of that matter is right now you can get guns from the black market or just walk up into a store, fill out some papers, and buy one. Why not at least cut out this second option? You're making it harder for some asshole to get his hands on guns to kill people. No one said gun enforcement is going to be 100% effective, but simply making it more difficult is enough to justify it |
HitlerWonTheWar
12.14.12 | and gun control won't do shit, you morons. [2]
we need to take a look at our society and see why this keeps happening, banning guns is a fucking stupid idea. |
Emim
12.14.12 | "The fact of that matter is right now you can get guns from the black market or just walk up into a store, fill out some papers, and buy one."
Ok, let me know where your local black market superstore is at. |
toxin.
12.14.12 | because gun control == banning guns, right guys???
RIGHT?????
THIS WORLD IS BLACK AND WHITE, RIGHT???????????????? |
toxin.
12.14.12 | "Ok, let me know where your local black market superstore is at."
what the fuck are you talking about?
that's my point
yes you can get shit at the black market but it's not as convenient as walking into a gun store, filling out w/e papers, and taking home a gun |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | "You understand... that in my experience, your understanding of other countries in general is limited and small. You have shit on the US in every US based thread I've ever seen you in which causes me to assume you simply haven't been here before."
Mmm maybe I've been giving off the wrong impression. I've been to the US before, albeit briefly (to be honest even then what I saw just upheld the US stereotypes a lot of people here believe in). I probably come across critical cos my own political values are extremely opposed to those of the US, but of course I'd be an idiot if I blanket "shit on" the US. There's good stuff about the US, of course there is, and there're faults with the rest of the world but generally I'm more likely to be found criticising the US cos that's where discussions on this site usually feed through to. This thread, for example. I don't look to spew shit about the USA at every turn and if I come across that way it's probably bad luck or my sarcasm just not being obvious. Like when I take the piss out of american football.
Yeah I like travelling too. |
Emim
12.14.12 | xtoxin, I wasn't convinced of your stupidity until just now.
"yes you can get shit at the black market but it's not as convenient as walking into a gun store, filling out w/e papers, and taking home a gun"
I don't think you understand what you're talking about. Carry on, though; it is entertaining. |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | "you live in europe, right?"
yeah.
like I said, this is a problem rooted in US culture (no-one here is bothered about not being able to own guns) and I struggle to see how the USA is going to be able to deal with it effectively anytime soon. |
HitlerWonTheWar
12.14.12 | fuck the USA. |
toxin.
12.14.12 | "so you want a bunch of people shootin at eachother over their rights to own guns so that the people who are gonna get guns have to go through the black market to get it? smaller scale, but it's easier for me to get marijuana illegally than through a vendor."
Here's the thing, I just don't care about your strawman bullshit about "Well you're gonna have to fight the people who want their guns to enact any more stringent policies on gun control." For starters, I'm not even sure if it's true, considering the point isn't to make guns impossible to get legally, just harder. Just make these people get tested and make sure they're mentally stable. Second, I just don't care for this kind of argument. "We're going to continue to allow this shitty situation to continue because in the short term a bunch of idiots might get shot by the police" |
toxin.
12.14.12 | "I don't think you understand what you're talking about. Carry on, though; it is entertaining."
What a proper rebuttal! |
toxin.
12.14.12 | please elaborate with your transcendent knowledge what on Earth you meant? (Seriously though, me sounding like an ass notwithstanding, did I really misinterpret what you said? Seemed like a straightforward defense of my stance) |
menawati
12.14.12 | Is 'the right to bear arms' stuff important to the younger generation in the US ? |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | "Is 'the right to bear arms' stuff important to the younger generation in the US ?"
Generally, yes. It is to me. |
toxin.
12.14.12 | "Is 'the right to bear arms' stuff important to the younger generation in the US ?"
Sure is to me. I just realize right to bear arms has restrictions, e.g., I can't point my RPG at my math professor while he grades my final |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | "I can't point my RPG at my math professor while he grades my final"
Completely reasonable. Same for people not being able to own full auto weapons, or an F-16. |
Emim
12.14.12 | "yeah."
http://www.voanews.com/content/norway-shooting-bombing-suspect-recently-bought-six-tons-of-fertilizer-126061413/142693.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/oct/31/spain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Midi-Pyr%C3%A9n%C3%A9es_shootings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis |
menawati
12.14.12 | Well, if it's so deeply embedded in the culture any govt who tries to remove it would be committing political suicide so it wont happen. I guess the result will just be more countermeasures being put in place. |
omnipanzer
12.14.12 | "I'm more likely to be found criticising the US cos that's where discussions on this site usually feed through to."
fair enough
"Like when I take the piss out of american football."
fuck american football
"no-one here is bothered about not being able to own guns"
I think this is blown way out of proportions. I could care less about owning guns and so could most the people I know. On the other hand I do know people who love and own guns as well but it's a fairly small percentage.
But I can see your point. |
toxin.
12.14.12 | @mena, see I just can't agree with the notion that political suicide should prevent beneficial reform. but that's why I can't go into politics |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | I think this is blown way out of proportions. I could care less about owning guns and so could most the people I know. On the other hand I do know people who love and own guns as well but it's a fairly small percentage"
I own guns, and just about everybody I know owns them too. None of us is even remotely dangerous with our weapons. Even with something like this, I'm not worried about having them taken away because I've always used and owned them responsibly. |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | "I think this is blown way out of proportions. I could care less about owning guns and so could most the people I know. On the other hand I do know people who love and own guns as well but it's a fairly small percentage."
yeah I realise that but even looking at the most recent comments on this thread- you'd never see that said by europeans.
@Emim, I'm aware of those, but like I said, it's more common in the US. |
Emim
12.14.12 | "I own guns, and just about everybody I know owns them too. None of us is even remotely dangerous with our weapons. Even with something like this, I'm not worried about having them taken away because I've always used and owned them responsibly."
this. |
Muisc4Life26
12.14.12 | This so damn devastating!! Rip to the 27 people who lost their lives today:( |
anarchistfish
12.14.12 | and that's the problem. I shouldn't speak for a country whose laws don't particularly concern me and I'm just grateful that we don't care about guns here, but even I've realised that gun control isn't going to be a viable option in the US anytime in the near future |
Ignimbrite
12.14.12 | Children.
Fucking children. |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | "This so damn devastating!! Rip to the 27 people who lost their lives today:("
Except for the one who so senselessly took those lives. Regardless of his motivation, I will not weep for him being dead. Only for those who were lost, and the parents, families, and children who will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. |
Ignimbrite
12.14.12 | Agreed. As a lifelong Christian, one weird thing that I cling to is that I do not believe that Hell exists, or at least in the sense that mainstream Christianity believes it to exist. However, I make exceptions for people like this. I have zero qualms about eternal torture for him. |
newjunkaesthetic93
12.14.12 | Fuck our country. I just don't understand how anything like this can ever happen. Who the fuck does this? The Aurora shootings hit a lot closer to home, I was at a theatre about 7 miles away at the time, but this one is much more devastating. What the fuck, fucking children? Jesus Christ. |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | Yeah Junk, I told you back when Aurora happened that my cousin was there that night (and I live down the road). Being that was the case, for some reason (even though CT is a long way from me) this one hits closer to home. Probably because I have a little boy who is just about elementary age. |
bach
12.14.12 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtqPlB-oC4w |
bach
12.14.12 | What an asshole. I heard that his girlfriend and friend are missing. |
KILL
12.14.12 | lol |
ViperAces
12.14.12 | "and yet the world turns and kids are massacred around it ever day."
what an awful thing to say, even for you andcas |
bach
12.14.12 | We kill one another like animals. |
kris.
12.14.12 | "what an awful thing to say, even for you andcas"
how is that an awful thing to say when it's true
like please prove how kids aren't murdered daily |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | Obama's press conference on this was 100% class. |
Shuyin
12.14.12 | RIP |
DrMaximus
12.14.12 | "and yet the world turns and kids are massacred around it ever day."
You're sounding as if this is normal, and no big deal. |
PayneTiger777
12.14.12 | I live 30 minutes away from Newtown and I used to hang out there all the time. I'm absolutely sickened by this.... |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | "that fake tear wipe ugh."
I'm no fan of the guy (a lot of the time because I think he's too scripted), but I think it was genuine this time. |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | "I live 30 minutes away from Newtown and I used to hang out there all the time. I'm absolutely sickened by this...."
I hope for you and your family's sake that you don't know anybody involved. |
PayneTiger777
12.14.12 | I'm glad that no one I know was involved, although my aunt works in the day care that was right next to the school. Pretty scary stuff. I work with kids as well and I couldn't imagine something like this happening at where I work. |
drewcordova
12.14.12 | I agree. I've said it about 15 times through this thread, but I'm a father of two boys. One will be in kindergarten next fall, and it makes my stomach drop thinking about it. I realize that, even though it seems like it has happened a lot lately, this is a rare occurence. Still doesn't make it easier to take. |
AtomicWaste
12.15.12 | ""They all carry box cutters" you're retarded"
Dude, have you been to Korea? Or taught Korean children?
They all carry box cutters. It's like a part of the pen and pencil set over there.
My point is, no matter what happens, violence will find a way to erupt. It's some kind of fucked up human condition. That said, we still need to do everything we can to minimize it. |
wacknizzle
12.15.12 | This shit is fucked up, that entire town is gonna be devastated by this tragedy for many years to come. They really need to start doing psychological analysis to people who buy guns. I definitely don't want the government taking away our guns for the main reason we were given the right to bear arms in the first place but knowing that any unstable and paranoid looney can go out and buy a guy really frightens me and only makes me want to own a gun more because I trust my judgement. |
wacknizzle
12.15.12 | Yeah their plan seems to be going great. |
CaptainHadouken
12.15.12 | I heard about this today... Its scary to think about. My heart goes out to all those families and people that are dealing with this tragedy. |
MikeC26
12.15.12 | School is a joke nowadays for kids, not to mention one of the most dangerous places in the whole world to be right now! |
KILL
12.15.12 | www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXQ-uo8UVws
lol |
KjSwantko
12.15.12 | Meanwhile there was a dude in China today who slashed 22 kids with a knife too. Great human race! |
KILL
12.15.12 | jus doin godz work |
AtomicWaste
12.15.12 | "School is a joke nowadays for kids, not to mention one of the most dangerous places in the whole world to be right now!"
You're kidding, right? |
toxin.
12.15.12 | holy shit KILL
what the fuck |
DotEight
12.15.12 | Okay, based on my local news and the national news, we have a little over 6 days to enjoy life. Get to hiring prostitutes, snorting blow, stealing Ferrari's, etc. |
kris.
12.15.12 | mike huckabee's a piece of shit no doubt |
zxlkho
12.15.12 | fuck bitches |
Sanders
12.15.12 | Obama's press conference on this was 100% class. [2] |
eleventhsun
12.15.12 | Yes Obama was great. Fake crying about white kids while he drone bombs hundreds of kids in Pakistan, Yemen, Syria etc...
Americans love to buy into bullshit. |
KILL
12.15.12 | gun control gun control :D |
KILL
12.15.12 | god damn republicans are retarded anyone wana fight |
Sanders
12.15.12 | "Americans love to buy into bullshit."
Not American but whatevs |
YankeeDudel
12.15.12 | the media is the worst about this stuff. make every shooter a celeb yea that will slow em down. |
eleventhsun
12.15.12 | I actually watched an interview with a forensic psychologist who says the exact same thing. He warned that in the past, when the media over-does a mass murder by putting the death toll on the forefront or turning the shooter into an anti-hero, they always expect another within a week or two. |
Yuli
12.15.12 | "because gun control == banning guns, right guys???
RIGHT?????
THIS WORLD IS BLACK AND WHITE, RIGHT????????????????"
"as for the bullshit "zomg they'll fire at policemen""
Way to contradict your argument, man. |
YankeeDudel
12.15.12 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4
you mean this |
eleventhsun
12.15.12 | Thats it Yankee. I think he's absolutely right. |
eleventhsun
12.15.12 | @ Omaha
It is much deeper, you're right. For instance, police officers in America are responsible for more gun deaths and murders than legal gun owners by far.
More bullets fired in 1 police incident in the states than the entire year of policing in Germany.
They never give you the real statistics. 80 million gun owners in the USA. About 79.99999999 million didn't kill anyone this year. Or last.
Also weird how 25 states allow concealed carry of a weapon, while 4/5 gun murders happen in the states that don't allow that.
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YankeeDudel
12.15.12 | of course he is. the media LOVES shootings or anything disaster/crisis related like this. their ratings sky rocket, they get to push political agendas, blame video games/music, and people just LOVE watching it all. we have an inherent need to watch violence. its why we love action, crime, and horror movies so much. its in our blood. we crave it. the media knows this. you cant turn away from a car wreck. the sad thing is its only getting worse with how big the media and social media is now. all these shooters instantly become famous. |
eleventhsun
12.15.12 | These are the people that need to be elevated on the news, these are the people who deserve our attention.
http://www.news.com.au/world/teacher-victoria-soto-threw-herself-in-front-of-her-students-to-save-them-at-sandy-hook-elementary-school/story-fndir2ev-1226537530317 |
KILL
12.15.12 | down with the redz! |
thumbcrusher
12.15.12 | One law in one country wont have the same effect in another.
Strict gun laws in the UK, very few deaths
Lots of guns in Switzerland, very few deaths
Lots of guns in USA, far too many deaths
I don't really know what they could do in the US as just outright banning wouldn't work cause gun freedom has been a long established thing. Though I thing that should be the aim to eventually get to. |
Yuli
12.15.12 | Eleventhsun, I was just referring to the guy denouncing "black and white arguments" while simplifying/ridiculing others' stances. |
eleventhsun
12.15.12 | I know, only the first part of my comment was in response to you. Rest was just me ranting. |
Gwyn.
12.15.12 | "Holy shit, I don't think I've ever seen a huge number like that in the past like 10 years or so. Jeez"
Supposedly this is the biggest school shoot out in US history, phew.
RIP, either way. |
Yuli
12.15.12 | Ah, okay. Just wanted to clarify =] |
eleventhsun
12.15.12 | It's the 2nd biggest after the Virginia Tech. In a sense it's so much darker due to the fact that it's kindergarten kids. |
Gwyn.
12.15.12 | Ah, Idk I read in a news paper online that it was the biggest. Maybe I didn't heard correctly.
But yeah it's a lot more fucked up when you think about it, it actually pains me to think about the families that are going through this right now, and so close to christmas... fuck |
henryChinaski
12.15.12 | Of course gun control will have an effect. Apparently every douchebag can buy a gun at every turn in the US. The sole availability of so many guns is the problem. If you do not carry a gun 24/7 you think twice before doing something stupid. For sure you cannot entirely prevent such things from happening, but it's a difference whether you can get a gun almost everywhere or not. |
thumbcrusher
12.15.12 | agreed |
HitlerWonTheWar
12.15.12 | yeah, more gun control will help, especially when most of the people commiting these crimes get them through illegal means in the first place. |
YankeeDudel
12.15.12 | criminals will always be able to get guns though. when they outlawed alcohol that didnt stop people from getting or selling it. just like you can get weed or coke now whenever you want. all gun control does is make it harder for the common fella to get strapped. murder was much worse before guns were invented. people murdered each other for anything. violence is always going to exist. i dont trust the government enough for them to do what they please. |
thumbcrusher
12.15.12 | but these aren't master criminals a lot of the time they're nutjobs who can easily acquire and use
guns |
henryChinaski
12.15.12 | ^ this |
YankeeDudel
12.15.12 | again i think the media glorifying this all is one of the main culprits here. its like how during sports games they dont show streakers on the field to not encourage them. i mean fuck most ppl would love to see streakers cuz they're funny, but you cant be showing that stuff. on a bigger/more serious scale the media shouldnt be giving these shootings so much press. at least they shouldnt be mentioning these guys' names or showing their pictures. i get that they're big stories but you have to give these guys as little incentive as possible. letting them go out in a blaze of glory and fame isnt the way. |
YankeeDudel
12.15.12 | its not about being a master criminal. any joe shmo could get a gun illegally if they really wanted to. if somebody really wants to shoot up a school they will find a gun a do it. strict gun control isnt going to stop that. |
thumbcrusher
12.15.12 | yeah i agree with you there the media really shouldn't try and make it all hollywood
this was 3 years ago and it's still so true http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4 |
henryChinaski
12.15.12 | Agreed @ Yankee on the media thing. |
YankeeDudel
12.15.12 | i just posted that vid a couple posts up. you guys should also read marilyn manson's colombine article. still relevant
today. like his music or not hes pretty smart: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/columbine-whose-fault-is-it-
19990624 |
thumbcrusher
12.15.12 | oh so you did ooops :P
that manson thing is an interesting read |
henryChinaski
12.15.12 | In Germany most newspapers etc. don't cover suicides (don't know how that's handled elsewhere), but everyone's exploiting these killing spree incidents (yeah i know they want to make money). |
Kubrick
12.15.12 | "its not about being a master criminal. any joe shmo could get a gun illegally if they really wanted to. if somebody really wants to shoot up a school they will find a gun a do it. strict gun control isnt going to stop that."
You're absolutely right that outlawing guns would not solve the problem of mass shooting like these. Obviously guns will still be out there for those inclined to acquire them. The point is though that outlawing guns would act as a deterrent. You already said it yourself- "all gun control does is make it harder for the common fella to get strapped." Right, exactly. Which is a deterrent for the people on the edge of doing something like this. Sure, some of those people will go on to acquire guns illegally anyway, but the road would definitely be a lot more difficult. Thus, less people will be willing/able to go through with it. You bring up the fact that there will always be cocaine/pot users whether it is legal or not. Yes. True. But there are certainly a lot less of them than there would be if those substances were legal. |
HitlerWonTheWar
12.15.12 | makes it harder for your average person, yeah, but if people are as insanely determined as this theyre going to get them one way or another. i dont think it would be a deterrent for those kinds of people. |
YankeeDudel
12.15.12 | good points kubrick. i just think people who do these sorts of things arent going to be deterred by gun control is all. theyd have to be pretty far gone mentally to do something like this in the first place so getting a gun illegally is the least of their concerns.
the whole debate is just a very delicate issue though. the easy answer right now would be to just ban all guns. you got people wanting to repeal the 2nd amendment all together. im just not down with that but yea something does need to change here. i just think the media is to blame as much as anything. |
Kubrick
12.15.12 | Yeah I definitely agree with you points about the media. There's no question that media exposure is a huge motivator for most, if not all of the people who do these kinds of things.
"makes it harder for your average person, yeah, but if people are as insanely determined as this theyre going to get them one way or another. i dont think it would be a deterrent for those kinds of people."
I 100% agree with this comment. Illegality will not stop the people who are completely determined to go through with something like this. But it would be foolish to say that ALL mass shootings that have happened while guns have been legal would still have happened had they not been. A contributing factor to the frequency of these shooting is the relative ease that people can get guns. There's no avoiding that. Even though outlawing guns would not prevent all of these events, it definitely would prevent some. Hell, preventing ANY of these shootings would be worth the effort even if it was only one. |
HitlerWonTheWar
12.15.12 | that seems like putting a band aid on the problem to me. its not a permanent fix. |
Kubrick
12.15.12 | There's never going to be a permanent fix for something like this though, unfortunately. The only thing we can do as a society is make it as hard as humanly possible for people to be able to go through with it. Outlawing weapons is obviously a step in that direction. It's not a cure but at least it's a treatment. |
YankeeDudel
12.15.12 | even if gun control does prevent some shootings, theres no data to suggest that it will lower crime or murders overall. like was said look at switzerland. everyone has a gun and theres almost no crime. it depends on the area. school shootings, while terrible, are still only a very very very small percentage of murders.
also a big issue here is just protecting the public from the government. americans like to think our government loves and cares for us and they would never do anything bad, but an armed public is the best defense against corruption. theres a reason the founding fathers wanted it. i just flat out dont trust the government with everything ive learned over the years. |
Kubrick
12.15.12 | "theres no data to suggest that it will lower crime or murders overall. like was said look at switzerland. everyone has a gun and theres almost no crime."
What works for one country obviously isn't going to work universally. We're different nations with different mixes of people, different governments, different social structures etc etc. Switzerland may not have this problem but that's pretty irrelevant since our country clearly does.
Idk, in terms of the argument of the necessity of people to be armed to defend ourselves from our own government, that's getting into difficult territory to argue about. It's all hypothetical, so it's extremely hard to make a sound argument out of something like that. I guess all I can say about it is I can't imagine a situation in which the American government turns into a totalitarian organization that needs overthrowing. That's such an outlandish scenario that it's really not worth considering as a valid concern that should stop us from changing gun laws. |
YankeeDudel
12.15.12 | 1) i did mention how it depends on the area.
2) how is that an outlandish scenario? thats the problem most americans think america is so above any corruption meanwhile it happens every day, just the talking heads on fox and nbc dont tell you the real nitty gritty. our rights have slowly been getting stripped since 9/11 in the name of safety and terrorism, while the public is consumed with entertainment and iphones they dont even notice or care. how we kill innocent children all the time with illegal drone strikes. i could go on forever about this, but thats very naive of you to think. we wanted out of britain because of oppression in the first place, so our founding fathers knew a little bit about how it can get. never underestimate the need for humsn with power to control others. |
HitlerWonTheWar
12.15.12 | "That's such an outlandish scenario"
how is it outlandish at all, its happened so many times in history. |
anarchistfish
12.15.12 | also to whoever said that people wanting to own guns should go through mental health checks first, it wouldn't have prevented this because the weapons the gunman used were owned by his mother. |
North0House2
12.15.12 | I'm moving to Chile at some point. You can live off of 5,000-10,000 USD a year there, and its crime ratings are safer than Denver, CO... Well, except for a 1 point increase in pick-pocketing... But that's the capital, Santiago. I can't imagine how safe the rural areas must be.
America's just getting out of hand, I don't know if I want to live here anymore to be honest. Plus, freaking South America. Come on, that place has some incredible landscapes. |
anarchistfish
12.15.12 | Man I've really wanted to go to visit Chile for a while. Maybe even go on a road trip all the way down it. |
SeaAnemone
12.15.12 | Kubrick:
(Not sure who else has argued this point, but them as well)
For those talking about gun rights and homicide rates here's a surprisingly conclusive study on the matter, worldwide as well... really surprised me. Frankly I have no strong feelings one way or the other regarding gun ownership laws (though obviously like any reasonable person I think there should be substantial checkpoints and waiting periods)
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
Anyway, I think this tragedy should open up more discussion about access to mental health care as opposed to gun rights, but that's just me. |
YankeeDudel
12.15.12 | "how is it outlandish at all, its happened so many times in history."
SN: HitlerWonTheWar
Just perfect lol. |
SeaAnemone
12.15.12 | "also to whoever said that people wanting to own guns should go through mental health checks first, it wouldn't have prevented this because the weapons the gunman used were owned by his mother."
It might not have prevented this tragedy in particular but it still makes a lot of fucking sense, no? |
YankeeDudel
12.15.12 | yea but what is the line for "mental health" in regards to owning a gun. I agree that like schizos shouldnt own guns, but what is the cutoff? |
anarchistfish
12.15.12 | obviously, but it's not a foolproof solution like he seemed to suggest |
SeaAnemone
12.15.12 | Here's the main conclusion of that article (it actually is a great read) for those not willing to wade through it:
"This Article has reviewed a significant amount of evidence from a wide variety of international sources. Each individual portion of evidence is subject to cavil—at the very least the general objection that the persuasiveness of social scientific evidence cannot remotely approach the persuasiveness of conclusions in the physical sciences. Nevertheless, the burden of proof rests on the proponents of the more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death mantra, especially since they argue public policy ought to be based on that mantra. To bear that burden would at the very least require showing that a large number of nations with more guns have more death and that nations that have imposed stringent gun controls have achieved substantial reductions in criminal violence (or suicide). But those correlations are not observed when a large number of nations are compared across the world.
Over a decade ago, Professor Brandon Centerwall of the University of Washington undertook an extensive, statistically sophisticated study comparing areas in the United States and Canada to determine whether Canada’s more restrictive policies had better contained criminal violence. When he published his results it was with the admonition:
If you are surprised by [our] finding[s], so [are we]. [We] did not begin this research with any intent to “exonerate” handguns, but there it is—a negative finding, to be sure, but a negative finding is nevertheless a positive contribution. It directs us where not to aim public health resources.
...
" To bear that burden would at the very least require showing that a large number of nations with more guns have more death and that nations that have imposed stringent gun controls have achieved substantial reductions in criminal violence (or suicide). But those correlations are not observed when a large number of nations are compared across the world."
And yeah YankeeDudel I have no answer, it's definitely a difficult line... at the same time I'd argue that any line even if it's a bit arbitrary would be a welcome addition.
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Kubrick
12.15.12 | I never meant to imply that America is a saint of a country and that all of us have all the rights
we deserve to have. But in terms of the people rising up and needing to overthrow the government
with the use of legal firearms, I think that is definitely a hypothetical, outlandish scenario.
Think about the global climate.. all of the relationships that America has with countries around the
world and the role they play in the global economy. If America actually reached the level of
corruption where its own people would need to go through a revolution, we would probably already be
at war with most of the world. This is so pointless to discuss though.. I don't really want to get
into it because it's just all hypothetical. Pretty much anything anyone says about it is speculation
and posturing, including me, which is a waste of time.
Thanks for the article Sea.. definitely interesting. Idk, it's such a complex issue that I guess you
can never really have a definitively beneficial solution. Even if outlawing guns were to prevent
mass shootings (which I still believe it would, as ease of access to guns is at least a partly
contributing factor to frequency), it doesn't mean that it wouldn't create a lot of other
compounding issues. I guess at the very least there should be more hoops people have to jump through
in order to gain access to a gun legally. |
henryChinaski
12.15.12 | http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/05/11/11662345-german-police-fired-just-85-bullets-total-in-2011?lite |
loveisamixtape
12.15.12 | guys since yesterday there has been a (small) shooting in a hospital here as well as a shooting in a completely different
city a few miles away that led to a cop dying
i'm fed up |
toxin.
12.15.12 | ""because gun control == banning guns, right guys???
RIGHT?????
THIS WORLD IS BLACK AND WHITE, RIGHT????????????????"
"as for the bullshit "zomg they'll fire at policemen""
Way to contradict your argument, man."
lol, I'm pretty sure I meant it's more of a bullshit reasoning to stop effective gun reform (we shouldn't make something illegal because all those crazy people will shoot at policemen if you try to do what's right; therefore let's leave something needing reform unreformed). Sorry that I don't have mounds of patience for the red herrings people love to toss around on these sorts of discussions. I highly doubt gun owners will be aggravated to the point of murder if they have to just complete some more tests to keep their guns/ get more guns, I mean c'mon. What kind of argument is that, in the first place? If we're talking full gun bans, then ok, but the only idiots saying that are non-Americans (i.e. people who don't realize that'll never happen in America)
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toxin.
12.15.12 | "They never give you the real statistics. 80 million gun owners in the USA. About 79.99999999 million
didn't kill anyone this year. Or last."
see the funny part of this is that everyone knows that. Yet you think it's relevant. Of course 99+% of
the gun owners don't commit homicide. The issue is that |
eleventhsun
12.15.12 | How is it not relevant? The argument is about making legal guns illegal, I damn well think the amount of legal gun owners that kill people is actually quite relevant. |
eleventhsun
12.15.12 | I guess they should make heroin illegal too right? |
anarchistfish
12.15.12 | "I guess they should make heroin illegal too right?"
wait what? |
eleventhsun
12.15.12 | Sarcasm haha.
Clearly, the legality of something isn't stopping it from hitting the streets. |
SeaAnemone
12.15.12 | Comparing the market for drugs and the market for deadly weapons is completely inane, don't be an idiot.
The market for people wanting to do drugs is much much larger than the market for people wanting to kill others with a firearm, the "black market for guns" that would hypothetically arise isn't comparable to the drug trade at all.
Stop bringing drugs into it. |
eleventhsun
12.15.12 | Um you're kidding right? Just because the demand is there doesn't stop the fact that the legality doesn't stop them from hitting the streets. And if you think the illegal weapons trade is by any means "small" then you're the idiot...
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eleventhsun
12.15.12 | Nobody was comparing the market. We were comparing the accessibility based on the legality of the item... Obviously drugs are in higher demand, how silly. |
toxin.
12.15.12 | "How is it not relevant? The argument is about making legal guns illegal, I damn well think the amount
of legal gun owners that kill people is actually quite relevant."
No it's not? Who the fuck is even bringing that up? Europeans? Don't kid yourself, no one's suggesting
that. Personally, I don't give a fuck if guns are legal or not. As long as the people who have them
are stable, it's of no concern to me anyways. Sure tragedies like this might happen (I don't think the
guy owned the gun; he took his mom's though) but then maybe Aurora would have been prevented (or at
least made not-as-bad if he had a knife or something.) But in general no one who knows about American
politics will suggest making all guns illegal; the NRA for example is way too big an interest group
for that to happen. |
J0ckstrapsFTW
12.15.12 | Everyone should just pack an AK and none of this shit would happen. That teacher could have just dome shotted that retard. Children saved |
eleventhsun
12.15.12 | @xtoxin
I understand your point but that's the problem. There are countless people who are screaming to ban guns. Obviously it's not as simple as that, as you mention the NRA alone is a huge interest.
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toxin.
12.15.12 | yes but there are always people with no notion for reality
generally most people who aren't idealists and/or dumb agree that a sweeping gun ban will never happen (never mind if it's an idea of merit), so I think it's best to ignore them |
anarchistfish
12.15.12 | I don't get the obsession with guns anyway |
toxin.
12.15.12 | I think it's something you grow up with
And if you spent time learning to be precise with a gun you might be pissed that your effort went to waste/your livelihood is gone.
Idk I didn't grow up with them but I have practiced fighting with a Bo Staff and Eskrima sticks and I'd be annoyed if either were made illegal (not that they're dangerous enough to warrant that ofc) |
eleventhsun
12.15.12 | It's America. The country that spends more money on "supporting troops" than supporting sick or poor.
A country that sings about war in their national anthem. A country that censors the human body but glamourizes violence and hatred. It is not one bit surprising that they are obsessed with guns and violence. |
Crymsonblaze
12.15.12 | "2nd amendment isn't the dumbest at all lmao... if it didn't exist, it would just become another black market trafficking system dominated by straight up thugs and criminals...is that what you think is smart? having no way to defend yourself because you conform to the law, while criminals who don't give a fuck illegally control the gun market"
You're an idiot. |
eleventhsun
12.16.12 | Crymson knows what's up |
AtomicWaste
12.16.12 | ""Dude, have you been to Korea?" 17 years. i just meant the general statement. i know there have been more violent incidents as of late but korea is real tame and saying all or even a majority of korean kids carry weapons such as box cutters is completely innaccurate. i could walk around any time any day and feel safe since i was like 8 years old. been in over 30 fights over there and not once was i threatened with anything more than a brick or a pole"
Yeah, man, the culture is super calm there for the most part (and like you said, even after a fight, it's kind of forgive and forget). Totally agreed with you there. If you study Asian cultures, it's clear why they all think we have a fucked up mindset. Barely anyone even THINKS about committing even a petty crime over there.
Something's wrong here and we need to fix it. I honestly do think it's mental health funding over gun control, though. |
peaks40
12.16.12 | guns don't kill people. people kill people. |
KILL
12.16.12 | sigh |
DrMaximus
12.16.12 | guns allow people to kill people you fuck! |
peaks40
12.16.12 | no. the state of mind allows people to kill people. take away guns, will find other ways to massacre YOU FUCK! |
DrMaximus
12.16.12 | well by that logic lets just make murder legal because they "will find other ways to massacre." |
DrMaximus
12.16.12 | Not always, but I'm not talking about people who are trained to use guns (police, military) I'm talking about citizens and
how easily they can access guns. |
peaks40
12.16.12 | i'm not raising the point of murder being legal, but if someone is out to kill, he's gonna find ways regardless of guns being there or not. It's the state of mind. |
henryChinaski
12.16.12 | Shut up peaks40. Only mentally retarded people argue like that. |
peaks40
12.16.12 | that's so convincing henry |
DrMaximus
12.16.12 | Guns make it easier for these people to carry out their intentions. There should be stricter gun laws, and people who need psychological help, should have access to that no matter what. Mental illness is most often why these people carry these crimes out. |
peaks40
12.16.12 | right on maximus. mental health is tricky to judge though. |
DrMaximus
12.16.12 | Yeah agreed peaks. That's when a family member, or a friend should step in and try to help, and hopefully seek counselling. |
peaks40
12.16.12 | @Jacquibim what andcas just said @drmaximus yeah, they should, but friends and family are distant these days and leads to a lot of these things. that's why i tell you its a serious social problem that leads to the head. |
DrMaximus
12.16.12 | @ andcas
So, what you're saying is that murders will still occur even with the absence of guns? Well, obviously, but how many people died in that case. 3? Obviously that's 3 too many deaths, but comparing that to connecticut where the guy used a gun, he killed 20+ people. So that's not a valid argument. |
henryChinaski
12.16.12 | Yeah well you can also kill someone with a spoon, but it's a difference whether some weirdo has access to guns or not. No one needs something like an M16 at his home. It's just ridiculous. |
peaks40
12.16.12 | if you think by making ''stricter laws'' are gonna stop guns from getting around you're more naive than I imagined. fine. it will decrease, but violence won't stop. these incidents will happen. the news will continue milking these stories and hypocrites of society will cry and then go eat their lunches |
KILL
12.16.12 | andcas why are you always wrong its crazy! |
peaks40
12.16.12 | lol andcas |
HitlerWonTheWar
12.16.12 | yeah but fuck america |
Minus.
12.16.12 | A lot of things are Government controlled and illegal, but it doesnt hinder anyone from doing what they are going to do. Take away guns and you can expect more bombs to be associated with these mass killings. |
porch
12.16.12 | i've lived in both europe and the US, i have much to contribute |
eleventhsun
12.16.12 | I think people who live outside of the US often have a better grasp of everything then many people in the US. Lets be real.
Most Americans buy every piece of propaganda fed to them. It's actually a joke for most of the world. They will argue and
say I'm wrong but everybody knows its true.
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peaks40
12.16.12 | yeah, Canada knows best :) |
eleventhsun
12.16.12 | Canada isn't too far. Most of them buy every piece of American propaganda fed to them too. |
peaks40
12.16.12 | that's Ontario bro. |
henryChinaski
12.16.12 | ... |
someguest
12.16.12 | "I think people who live outside of the US often have a better grasp of everything then many people in the US. Lets be real. Most Americans buy every piece of propaganda fed to them. It's actually a joke for most of the world. They will argue and say I'm wrong but everybody knows its true."
yeah we have a lot of people like sonictheplumber growing up in trailers in states like Georgia where practically everyone is useless
lanza should've went down there |
Minus.
12.16.12 | loud noises |
eleventhsun
12.16.12 | "That's Ontario bro"
True that. I'm from Ontario, so I notice a lot. |
DrMaximus
12.16.12 | "why is everyone getting worked up over something that doesn't affect them?"
Wow. What a disgusting expression of apathy! And I'm from Ontario to sweet. |
peaks40
12.16.12 | lol oh ontario, lots of canadian sputnikers i wasn't aware of. only like ontario for english language purposes, and the roads are much smoother |
eleventhsun
12.16.12 | who? |
KILL
12.16.12 | andcas lives |
henryChinaski
12.16.12 | Judging from your brainy comments wil, you certainly do have a clue. |
SCREAM!
12.16.12 | "if you think by making ''stricter laws'' are gonna stop guns from getting around you're more naive than I imagined. fine. it will decrease, but violence won't stop. these incidents will happen. the news will continue milking these stories and hypocrites of society will cry and then go eat their lunches"
I think pretty much everyone has agreed it won't stop but the fact that it will decrease (like you said) should be all we need.
Yes gangs and organised crime will always find ways but they aren't a big problem to the "average citizen". I live in Canada and I have no fucking clue where to find a gun and never felt it to be a necessity either. I've never seen one other than on a police officer and never once worried about someone pulling a gun on me.
Also people have failed to mention that gun related crimes of passion would mostly disappear. The guy who just lost his job or got dumped by his gf and goes through a mental breakdown couldn't grab the gun out of his closet and decide to murder someone because there would be no gun there. And chances are he'd snap out of it before he gets a chance to ever acquire one.
Also of course there are other ways of causing violence but this isn't an argument against controlling one kind that is especially deadly. It's like saying "if we can't fix the problem why try improving the situation" which is absolutely ridiculous logic.
Also it would be incredibly harder to go on a killing spree of this magnitude with a knife. It's much easier to get away from someone with a knife for one and it's also a lot easier to gang up on the person and stop them. |
SCREAM!
12.16.12 | Also to all the people comparing to drugs, I know about 5-6 different sources to get pot and I don't even do drugs (thus am not on a search to find any)
Whereas, like I said, I have no fucking clue where to find a gun. It's a totally different market |
peaks40
12.16.12 | agreed scream, but the murders that do occur will be more gruesome and painful |
DrMaximus
12.16.12 | SCREAM! Knows what's up, and lol wil311 |
ViperAces
12.16.12 | wil311 5'd 2 stone temple pilots albums, its as clueless as you get |
DrMaximus
12.16.12 | Well that explains it |
DotEight
12.16.12 | I'm telling you, the world is going to shit. |
cirq
12.16.12 | black people: thugs
middle easterners: terrorists
white people: mental disorder
wtf's up with that shit |
eleventhsun
12.16.12 | Pot isn't a drug though. It grows. Really bad comparison. |
KILL
12.16.12 | |
SCREAM!
12.16.12 | Do you even know what a drug is? |
eleventhsun
12.16.12 | Clearly I know that pot and guns aren't even comparable and its sort of laughable to bring up in the same conversation. |
eleventhsun
12.16.12 | And ya it grows. So I would hope it's a bit easier to find then a gun...
Can you find heroin, pcp, meth, crack? |
digimental101
12.16.12 | The debate on gun control is quite simple: if you trust human nature, ban or severely lessen guns. If you generally distrust human nature, relax gun control. Go with the former, everybody's happier and less anxious. Go with the latter, live in constant fear. So choose. |
DrMaximus
12.16.12 | I'd like to go with option 1, please. |
eleventhsun
12.16.12 | Yea, only a crazy man would even bring a gun into a pot smoking conversation. |
SCREAM!
12.16.12 | I didn't bring it up. Plenty of people have been using drugs to say making guns illegal won't make them inaccessible. My argument was that the two aren't comparable and I explained why but I guess that went over your head |
eleventhsun
12.17.12 | Drugs... Not pot. Maybe that went over your head? |
SCREAM!
12.17.12 | Yeah ok. I'm not gonna waste time debating with someone that doesn't even realise that pot is a drug. Maybe go look up the definition of the word drug and we can talk then. |
thumbcrusher
12.17.12 | eleventhsun you so silly |
eleventhsun
12.17.12 | You do realize that cocaine doesn't grow in America, isn't manufactured here. It somehow gets on the streets. Stop being naive, the argument is so pedantic.
Nobody in their right minds would compare the accessibility of pot to firearms. When we bring drugs into the discussion, we're talking about drugs. Real drugs, manufactured by cartels, criminals, organized crime etc and shipped here... Not a harmless plant that the government outlawed and is legal in many places in the world. Not all of us follow the same brainwashing your country teaches you about things. |
eleventhsun
12.17.12 | Weed is illegal where you live. Laws like that are man-made anyway and regional... |
eleventhsun
12.17.12 | http://www.ccguide.org/isitdrug.php |
MO
12.17.12 | is this thread worth it? |
Relinquished
12.17.12 | are any of them worth it? |
eleventhsun
12.17.12 | lol probably not |
eleventhsun
12.17.12 | Yes Andcas. Me as well.
For example. Yesterday I posted something on facebook that said: I'm crying for the 160 Pakistani children that have been killed by drone attacks. They will get no memorial and have no first world tears. I will cry for them.
It got ignored except a few people being assholes and saying "casualties of war don't count"
Fake bleeding hearts is right. |
omnipanzer
12.17.12 | ^ If you took my body of work and only focused on the parts that don't keep you safe and sleeping in your bed comfortably I'd probably tell you to fuck off too. But you're not unpatriotic for having an opinion and questioning what is right. |
omnipanzer
12.17.12 | I've been seeing this sentiment a lot lately and I don't get it.
I find it very short sighted.
There is nothing wrong with being actively concerned and celebratory about the place you've decided to
got to or stay, to hang your hat. The well being of "your country" directly affects your daily life
and possible future. Blind patriotism or flag waving I have lots of problems with but not patriotism
or being vocally patriotic. |
omnipanzer
12.17.12 | I agree however I do believe it's ridiculous to put together huge movements to feed the world when we still have lots of starvation and poverty at home. Although poverty here is a big difference from poverty in lets say Haiti or most of Africa. |
mifzal
12.17.12 | Problem of America; crime justified by one's physiology
Lenient gun laws
Deliberate ignorance in acknowledging this issue!
=THE END= |
eleventhsun
12.17.12 | Good comments Whaling and omni , my exact sentiments.
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