Skull917: Most Overrated Musicians

Muisc4Life26 05.26.14	Don't you mean underrated? lol
ValarMorghulis 05.26.14	agreed on 1, 2, 6 and 12
ButteryBiscuitBass 05.26.14	edgy
ethos 05.26.14	everything's overrated >.<
NordicMindset 05.26.14	1 yeh
stranger 05.26.14	"They've made some decent music but nothing great. A lot of people consider at least some of those musician to be really great or the greatest." lol are you fucking 13?
bach 05.26.14	8 and 10 are great
bach 05.26.14	so is bowie wtf
stranger 05.26.14	you have dumb opinions also it's "complements" you pleb
Snowdog808 05.26.14	I wish you would have made this far more accurate by naming the slut pop artists you mentioned.
wabbit 05.26.14	dumb either bad troll or bad human being
KILL 05.26.14	hehe lets name all the most popular artists :P heh
stranger 05.26.14	a disappointment in his parents' eyes either way i'm sure @wabbit
Cygnatti 05.26.14	Or just has shit taste.
Duckman118 05.26.14	Inspirational? Yes. Great in their own right? Not as much.
MO 05.26.14	no on 1, 3 & 6
BMDrummer 05.26.14	Beatles and David Bowie never made anything great? You're joking right? Ziggy Stardust, Low, Abbey Road, and Revolver are nothing special?
Ire 05.26.14	bowie made low
BMDrummer 05.26.14	@Ire I know
BMDrummer 05.26.14	Confirmed troll
stranger 05.26.14	i've never understood why retarded ppl reproduce and yet here you are
MO 05.26.14	"BMD the albums you mentioned with the exception of Low are just compilations of pop songs." thank you for confirming you're an idiot
stranger 05.26.14	doesn't mean you don't deserve it you cumjar
BMDrummer 05.26.14	What's wrong with liking any of these? I saw your "fav music" list and I liked a lot of that stuff (Swans, NMH, The Doors etc.), but I also like some of the stuff here. Music is rated so highly for a reason you know.
stranger 05.26.14	also you haven't backed up any of yr dumb opinions so the only way for us to engage you in any sort of meaningful discussion is via cheap insults
BMDrummer 05.26.14	^ This. If you're going to call something overrated, at least tell us why for each and every album. Nick Butler did this for the Beatles often, but he backed up his claims.
stranger 05.26.14	it's not so much that your opinions suck and more that you just suck at having opinions
stranger 05.26.14	maybe your dad should've pulled out
MO 05.26.14	"I am saying that other artists deserve that recognition way more and are definitely more important in moving music forward." see this is where you get The Beatles totally wrong. no other band in existence deserves more credit than them
someguest 05.26.14	I favor mass sterilization more everyday.
stranger 05.26.14	maybe music is a subjective medium whoa
BMDrummer 05.26.14	If the Beatles never existed, the idea of an album being an art form most likely wouldn't have ever happened. This could mean no Swans, no prog rock, and no wild double albums. Plus, that's only one part of their influence.
BMDrummer 05.26.14	You've never heard the White Album before have you?
stranger 05.26.14	everything you post is the dumbest thing ever
MO 05.26.14	"What have the Beatles done instead of made irrelevant safe and easy listening music?" yea everything they made is pretty easy listening. sgt peppers was a safe as shit album you're right
wabbit 05.26.14	you just don't get the Beatles then
stranger 05.26.14	the white album is a compilation of pop songs derp
BMDrummer 05.26.14	@stranger I can't ever tell if you're saying that to me or this guy.
stranger 05.26.14	i'm only saying it to you if this is your alt ;)
stranger 05.26.14	you still fail to back up your shitty opinions. seriously how are you even allowed internet access?
BMDrummer 05.26.14	Haha no, I'm not quick enough ;)
mandan 05.26.14	Lol this list. Also lol for putting Madonna in the same sack with Maroon 5 and (especially) Lady Gaga.
Mort. 05.26.14	"have left much bigger impact on rock music" impact doesnt equal high value. Attack Attack had a pretty significant impact on metalcore.
BMDrummer 05.26.14	While most of those artists left large impacts on rock music, you're almost never going to meet a band who doesn't claim any influence whatsoever from the Beatles.
eddie95 05.26.14	agreed 11/12... I'm sorry but the Beatles were too important for music history, plus the latest albums were mastepieces while I agree the first half discography was pretty average
BMDrummer 05.26.14	One more thing, how is Revolution 9, Happiness is a Warm Gun, or almost anything from the White Album easy listening?
Insurrection 05.26.14	how can you make a list like this without including tool
someguest 05.26.14	list has a bunch of tools
NordicMindset 05.26.14	why ins why
stranger 05.26.14	he's never actually listened to a beatles album, hence the vague reasoning and lack of details.
Mort. 05.26.14	"list has a bunch of tools" 1 more now that you've commented
BMDrummer 05.26.14	the truth
someguest 05.26.14	I commented before that, assholio.
Mort. 05.26.14	my mistake, many apologies
facupm 05.26.14	7 yeag
someguest 05.26.14	it's all right I don't expect much from someone in the same league as elliot rodger
NordicMindset 05.26.14	he had to be that guy
Mort. 05.26.14	lol what im suddenly a misogynist and a psychopath damn how did you find my manifesto?
someguest 05.26.14	the real reason rodger was pissed was because he drove a BMW you spend more time at the shop than on the road in those pieces of shit would've drove me nuts too
BMDrummer 05.26.14	oh shit
Mort. 05.26.14	"the real reason rodger was pissed was because he drove a BMW you spend more time at the shop than on the road in those pieces of shit would've drove me nuts too" therefore BMW can be sued for all the damages ensued in the shooting?
someguest 05.26.14	Yeah. And let's make it a class action because we've all had to see this bullshit on the news.
Cygnatti 05.26.14	Hate washing those damn things.
sapient 05.26.14	8 and 10 wtf [2]
fallenbird 05.26.14	7 and 11 rule! What are you talking about?
StallionMang 05.26.14	Nice attempt at edginess but wrong
NordicMindset 05.26.14	primus
L4titudes 05.26.14	agree except 3 and 7
CoolCalmJoe 05.26.14	"If the Beatles never existed, the idea of an album being an art form most likely wouldn't have ever happened. This could mean no Swans, no prog rock, and no wild double albums. Plus, that's only one part of their influence." Prove it.
ChoccyPhilly 05.26.14	^ He's got a point. Also, just because a band may or may not have influenced so much, doesn't mean I have to like them more than a band they influenced
SirDrumsalot 05.26.14	On this website, Brand New.
SticksmanTheBored 05.26.14	Okay, I get you on Prince, The Beatles, Michael Jackson and so on, but c'mon now, Aphex Twin? Radiohead? Moby?
ChoccyPhilly 05.26.14	To be fair, i don't understand what's so good about Ambient Works but I can recognise the appeal. Radiohead do not belong here though
bakkermaarten007 05.26.14	Spot on list.
frigyourgenre 05.26.14	Radiohead dont belong anywhere but the trash
KjSwantko 05.26.14	Radiohead is the only one I disagree with. Most of the others were basically known for their charisma and entertainment-value as opposed to actual musical ability.
CoolCalmJoe 05.26.14	is a band name plural or singular?
ChoccyPhilly 05.26.14	Yea, lets not forget that Aphex Twin smile.
PitchforkArms 05.26.14	agree on some, but you are objectively wrong on plenty
Wafflez 05.26.14	"Perhaps what bugged me is that in jazz and classical people have recognized their greats but looking at rock music it is mostly based on sales and there are so many artists left unnoticed." lol are you quoting scaruffi?
LambsBread 05.26.14	yeah 6 for sure. how the hell did anyone ever like Michael Jackson?
TwigTW 05.26.14	"lol are you quoting scaruffi?" Too funny, I was just thinking the same thing.
Ire 05.26.14	fripp it's just that lambsbread guy from the godzilla thread dont bother
Ire 05.26.14	aladdin sane rules
FearThyEvil 05.26.14	"yeah 6 for sure. how the hell did anyone ever like Michael Jackson?" How did anyone let you out of the womb?
SPRFanOf5H 05.26.14	Stopped reading when Daft Punk got mentioned. I mean, how the hell could you put them on this list?
Ire 05.26.14	some random?
botb 05.26.14	kurt cobain, seriously is mediocre at the very best and god damn awful at the worst.
rapideyemovement 05.26.14	Bowie nothing great? Radiohead nothing great? Jerk.
postrockpaperscissor 05.26.14	7, 8, and 9 are bullshit.
NordicMindset 05.27.14	radiohead? ah man
Skoj 05.27.14	where the fuck are Siouxsie and the Banshees overrated
mandan 05.27.14	RH rules, stfu.
ArsMoriendi 05.27.14	"They've made some decent music but nothing great." David Bowie - Station to Station is one of the most obvious 5/5's you'll ever hear.
Friday13th 05.27.14	1 and 3 are so lol (maybe if you've only heard l8r Bowie). 7 is great but they do admittedly get hyperbole statements from fans all the time (looking at you, Christgau). 2, 4, 6 and 11 I can understand. Didn't know anyone cared enough about 9, 10 and 12 to make them "overrated."
mandan 05.27.14	Why the fuck would anyone bash Oasis?
ArsMoriendi 05.27.14	@dannyboy89: Because Noel Gallagher dresses like a John Lennon impersonator? http://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000046156767-d8wau8-original.jpg?30a2558
GuanoBumbershoot 05.27.14	haha, at what point does something become overrated? I gotta ask. Is there ever a point where someone just realizes they just don't feel the same about something? Who gives a shit?
mandan 05.27.14	@Ars: really dumb reason to bash an artist lol, but whatever.
mandan 05.27.14	Plus everyone who knows a bit about Oasis knows that they were huge Beatlemaniacs, so it makes sense.
intotheshit 05.27.14	"Stopped reading when Daft Punk got mentioned. I mean, how the hell could you put them on this list?" THAT'S where you stopped reading?!?!
LambsBread 05.27.14	Guys Michael Jackson was a shallow overrated popstar who made frivolous, repetitive, and immature music. Billy Jean is a terrible song that is played 1000 times more often than necessary. Thriller is insanely corny. Both are portrayed as masterpieces. He doesn't really have any noteworthy work that you can point to yet he's considered the best artist of the 80s for no reason.
Emim 05.27.14	"If the Beatles never existed, the idea of an album being an art form most likely wouldn't have ever happened. This could mean no Swans, no prog rock, and no wild double albums. Plus, that's only one part of their influence." This is a pretty dumb extrapolation.
Amphoteric 05.27.14	Dimebag Darrell
Satellite 05.27.14	dumb thread dum dum dum
Emim 05.27.14	You can't expect much more than that these days, Satty
Satellite 05.27.14	hi mimsy!!!
tommygun 05.27.14	bowie rules kill yourself
Emim 05.27.14	It's been a while, man
Muisc4Life26 05.27.14	How is 10 overrated?
TalonsOfFire 05.27.14	8 and 10???
tmagistrelli 05.27.14	this is bold, very very wrong, but bold
DikkoZinner 05.27.14	Not in agreement
MO 05.27.14	"Also, just because a band may or may not have influenced so much, doesn't mean I have to like them more than a band they influenced" lol no shit captain obvious
TheBarber 05.27.14	anyway skull listen to the white album by the beatles and then come back with an informed opinion
Ricochet 05.27.14	haha 10 wtf
SharkTooth 05.27.14	"BMD the albums you mentioned with the exception of Low are just compilations of pop songs."
SharkTooth 05.27.14	Hate to break it to ya, but you can say that almost any album is a compilation of songs. I don't think those songs being pop really makes a difference of any sort.
DrGonzo1937 05.27.14	GTFO
TheBarber 05.27.14	I think many of us here, commenting and arguing here right now, have actually widdened their music world enough to be able to legimitely affirm through their own extended experience of music that most of these artists deserve pretty much every credit that is given to them, you can't simply discard every other's opnion by the experience argument of: "you haven't widened your taste enough". If soo many fantastic artists (even today) have been able to respect, love and be influenced by the music of figures such as The Beatles, Aphex Twin or Radiohead, it's because the actual music was soo good in the first place
DrGonzo1937 05.27.14	Hate shit like this. Not a fan of the beatles, really, but I understand their importance for the time.
jtswope 05.27.14	Aphex Twin overrated? Hahaha NO
MO 05.27.14	"I used to listen to the Beatles but once you start listening to more music and widening your music world the Beatles start to pale in comparison." well yea of course you'd think that since probably the majority of everything you listen to is from after their time. so many bands took elements and aspects of their sound and built on them, doing new things making them more interesting. if you find them boring or whatever fine, but calling them overrated is just stupid. "Not a fan of the beatles, really, but I understand their importance for the time." see gonzo knows. I know lots of people who hate the beatles, cna't stand them. but they don't deny the impact they had, even if all they did was write a bunch of "safe pop songs"
TheBarber 05.27.14	hmm there's a few issues here
TheBarber 05.27.14	"there are always more things to find, that is true for everyone" hence the use of the word "enough" when I claimed we had widened enough to be able to argue, not saying any of us here is absolute ^^ "And I am not saying that the music is bad, overrated is not bad" overrated is not bad no, it's prob worse since overrated is basicly discarding the general statistic and consensus of others in front of yours in an objective manner (wich is worse than the subjective manner of talking about music). "but if you are gonna proclaim someone to be the greatest there better be a really damn good reason for it. It is not just taste when it comes to that." Hence the existence of reviewing, it permits you to voice your thoughts on records in a way that goes over simple taste, argumenting over music in a half-subjective/half-objective way. Fact: Great reviews giving damn good reasons why Selected Ambient and Ziggy Stardust are fairly timeless records exist
TheBarber 05.27.14	"And looking at other mediums like Film making and Art there are hundreds of people given recognition but in popular music there's only Beatles or at least nothing that can compare which strikes me as a bit odd." What world do you live in? hundreds of artists in music manage to obtain recognition through press critics, word-to-mouth (like on this site), other artists and even online following through fans and fanzines; even recently Godspeed won the polaris prize in Canada and they aren't exactly writters of "safe pop songs" often aired. Although obviously there will probably never be any artist that'll get as much recognition as The Beatles but that's because of the multiple cultural factors at the time (let's face it, music was considered by the public in an entirely different and more important manner back then) added to their greatness and influence on rock music, they were lucky sure, but they were also important enough so that we can still talk about them today. "Now if we are talking about influences there are many things to take into account. How would you say someone is really influential? Is it the number of artists influenced? Is it that they pioneered a genre of music? Is it some technical achievement?" All of these, influence is very broad by essence, and the nature of the influence is even broader "It is logical that the popular music will have the most followers and since it's everywhere, most people influenced by it." first a distinction must be made, I'm talking about influence in terms of influence on music, not on people (music influencing people can hardly be debated imo as it's specific to pretty much every human being). Now that that's been cleared: No, it isn't logical that popular music will be the most influential on artists, simple couter-exemple: lady-gaga. Would you say she has sonically influenced many artists (here being a patchwork of influences to begin with) even though she is listened to by all. other example: Hellhammer or Venom's Black Metal, both were not part of popular music and at the time not known that well outside of small circles, yet to this day we can both hear their influence within every bm record
SharkTooth 05.27.14	" How would you say someone is really influential? " When they do something that serves as inspiration for other artists, yes?
TheBarber 05.27.14	"Who knows what kind of abomination will that give birth to?" imagining some weird shit "You can't say that black metal is popular and black metal artists will be influenced by the black metal artists before them, obviously." Well yeah I do think it's fair to say that the very first bm and bm precursors did have influence on even todays bm. Also about: "You can't say that black metal is popular", well it's funny you say that since through Deafheaven bm is actually just starting to be part of popular music (in an apple commercials for instance, reconize that pink cover?: http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/deafheavenapple-620x387.jpg ). And whatev the people say there's more bm sonically in Sunbather than emo and gaze or post-rock
botb 05.27.14	tl;dr on all of the barber's posts
TheBarber 05.27.14	lol whatev
Emim 05.27.14	working on a damn novel
skeames1214 05.27.14	casual dismissiveness is always hilarious to me. ya ok computer was decent nothin special ya know. (agree w/daft punk tho)
ShadowRemains 05.27.14	list is shit lol butts
someguest 05.27.14	list is filled with 6th and 7th tier users
SharkTooth 05.27.14	"No, it isn't logical that popular music will be the most influential on artists, simple couter-exemple: lady-gaga. Let's hope not. Who knows what kind of abomination will that give birth to?" .. .. "it isn't logical that popular music will be the most influential on artists" influence: the capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something, or the effect itself. It makes complete sense for a popular artist to become influential in this respect because there is a large number of people who like that artist's music, whether or not it's actually good is debatable. Example of this: Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music, that album is a waste of disk space right there, however, its existence gave way for the foundation of an entire genre: noise rock, which I'm a fan of. Metal Machine Music is terrible, but it's still influential in the fact that it was still enjoyed by people who had never heard anything like it, and created their own music based off MMM. also:" simple counter-exemple: lady-gaga. Let's hope not. Who knows what kind of abomination will that give birth to?" There are several problems with Gaga as a counter-example: 1.This is 2014, bands like BROKENCYDE have come and gone, if you really fear an artist influenced by Gaga of all people, you are pretty sheltered. 2.an artist/album does NOT need to be good to be influential(see my MMM example)
L4titudes 05.27.14	i heard Skull917 is overrated
TheBarber 05.27.14	I think people overstate the influence of MMM tbh, Throbbing Gristle was there about 6 years before and were more instrumental in the birth of industrial music or noise rock imo
Ryus 05.27.14	lol who even are any of these artists shit list 1/10 try again
SharkTooth 05.28.14	@Barber, I agree that MMM didn't exactly give birth to the noise rock genre, since to say that any genre were to spawn from an exact time/place/moment would be a broad overstatement. However, MMM helped bring about the general idea of noise rock to a lot of people and remains an pretty important part of noise rock's history, influence, and (to a much lesser extent) general sound. Yes there are things that influenced noise rock to a greater extent, but for the sake of this argument, I'm sticking with MMM.
TheBarber 05.28.14	K no prob I get what you mean
scorpiusx 05.31.14	This list is incomplete without AC/DC. To me it's not even close.
SharkTooth 05.31.14	I Think everyone has officially agreed that AC/DC isn't worth caring about by this point
NordicMindset 05.31.14	MMM is universally hated
SharkTooth 05.31.14	But it was still incredibly influential, even as a bad record
Ichangedmynametojeff 06.19.14	Not worthy of much praise? Are you f*cking kidding me?
facupm 06.19.14	agreed on U2 who the hell is 9?
TwigTW 06.19.14	Brilliant list--where are the overrated musicians?
Luk31 07.25.14	I don't agree in Michael Jackson being an overrated artist. He surely did great songs and awesome videos. And a lot of people actually liked him and if that was the case, then it was not that Jackson is overrated, there must be a reason for that.
Dunpeal 07.25.14	these lists still happen? cool
SharkTooth 07.25.14	Well you gotta make people mad somehow
Supercoolguy64 07.25.14	I can understand Radiohead being overrated....but your still wronge lolololol
SharkTooth 07.25.14	Well yeah, his reasoning basically amounts to "they r 2 mainstream there4 they aren't that good"
Supercoolguy64 07.25.14	I dont know, I mean, I think they deserve the praise they get, But I can understand If the listener in question isn't into Radiohead's style or whatever
Skull917 07.25.14	oh hells yeah, we got this list going again
Jots 07.25.14	Ignore the h8erz Skull917, I support you
SharkTooth 07.25.14	#deth2mainstream
Skull917 07.25.14	deth2mainstream taking itself seriously