luci: p4k decade list | Sputnikmusic

luci 10.08.19	the top ten is very coherent and bold in the right ways. that top 4 in particular was a surprise but laying it out like that makes total sense. blonde has been the most influential album of the second half of the decade
luci 10.08.19	mostly i'm just smirking at TPAB landing only at 4th place. love it
Avagantamos 10.08.19	20 and 49 are dope, but the rest is meh imo
unclereich 10.08.19	1 is 1
unclereich 10.08.19	List needs death grips
JoeTex 10.08.19	craptastic
unclereich 10.08.19	sowing you don't metal tho
Slugboiiii 10.08.19	Blonde was a good album but never the best of the decade. Vampire Weekend shouldn't be anywhere near the top 10 either. Most overrated album of the decade
Keyblade 10.08.19	actually not as bad as I expected
Sinternet 10.08.19	well known metalheads pitchfork lookin hella dumb here
granitenotebook 10.08.19	yeah i really dont understand why these lists have been so controversial. p4k has always covered mostly pop or indie-adjacent pop and this decade rock music has obviously lost a lot of its relevance.
luci 10.08.19	there's only about 10 hip-hop albums here, the songs list had much more hip-hop. that's likely cause the genre plays much better in the singles realm (rap full-lengths tend to be loaded with filler). there's a lack of rock/metal but that's never been pitchfork's interest. i think that indie rock is represented pretty well overall
granitenotebook 10.08.19	its predictable sure but that isnt neccesarily a bad thing. p4k has issues for sure but most complaints seem to be that theyre not obscure enough, which hasnt been p4ks brand since like 2004
luci 10.08.19	re: omissions benji was omitted from the list due to the laura snapes controversy. james blake was likely omitted due to criticizing them on twitter after they gave his album a 5.8. pitchfork stays petty
Calc 10.08.19	predictable and myopic list. a surprise to no one. not sure why people care actually.
Chortles 10.08.19	kind of impressed by some of the token electronic picks, DJ Rashad comin in hot at #20 is a surprise pick
SandwichBubble 10.08.19	I wonder where those people from back in the day complaining about Pitchfork's "pretension" (christ kill me) are today, cause they'd probably be really happy to see this predictable, Billboard/Rolling Stone, as marketable/inoffensive as possible list. Enough to make an old boy cry.
dustandnations 10.08.19	Fiona Apple the biggest surprise. But a pleasant one. Don’t feel like they’ve been plugging her stuff in the last couple years of all.
luci 10.08.19	she hasn't released an album since 2012. they've reported on every single move she's made since, the staff are huge apple fans
Trophycase 10.08.19	Pretty awful list. 3 Beyonce records lol? Give me a break
Trophycase 10.08.19	List screams: "Hey look, I'm a progressive who is also super hip and cultured! Aren't I sooooooo woke and objective?"
Sowing 10.08.19	Pretty much
CaliggyJack 10.08.19	The fact that Anohni is on this list tells me all I need to know about the legitimacy of their opinions.
theBoneyKing 10.08.19	much better than the songs list at the very least (though I only know about a quarter of the albums on the list)
luci 10.08.19	ever since conde naste the staff transitioned from white hipsters to woke urban poc who listen to mostly pop, rap, r&b and bill callahan
theBoneyKing 10.08.19	lol
theBoneyKing 10.08.19	ought I to hear Blonde? I have a feeling I'll be seeing that a lot these next few months
luci 10.08.19	yes, also make sure you check apple. she's in your wheelhouse
theBoneyKing 10.08.19	Oh I know Apple, I've just never rated that album, never formed a solid opinion on it, love it sometimes, hate it others
theBoneyKing 10.08.19	will I like Blonde? Doof 2'ed it.
Wildhoney 10.08.19	Good albums, many dubious placements. It's just an ok list.
luci 10.08.19	haven't seen you enjoy an artsy r&b record but there's a first for everything! alex g contributed some guitar parts and you can sense ocean's influence on house of sugar. you'll realize how it influenced other art pop releases since 2016, it's major
theBoneyKing 10.09.19	yeah I don't really do r&b (I rate 35 on this list a 2.5 for example) but I do remember being shocked when I saw the Blonde rating and genres on RYM tbh at the risk of sounding horrifically racist I don't really like black music post like 1980 lol
theBoneyKing 10.09.19	I think I've listened to no more than 5 albums made by black people this decade
luci 10.09.19	clicks wow react
Relinquished 10.09.19	lmao wow boney
theBoneyKing 10.09.19	and the punchline is that I am black (ok technically mixed but as black as I am anything else) how's that for internalized racialism!
Sowing 10.09.19	Lol it's not racist to like what you like. Those are just your tastes and to pretend to like albums you don't would be disingenuous.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.09.19	You may be 50% black but your music taste is 200% white
theBoneyKing 10.09.19	can't argue with that really
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.09.19	I know, I am good and maths
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.09.19	My pie chart is 30% ashamed that I'm white
DominionMM1 10.09.19	list looks like every other pic post in r/vinyl
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.09.19	And 70% about to go to burning man
CaliggyJack 10.09.19	wtf is mine
Winesburgohio 10.09.19	really, really surprised not to see Benji on here: i suspect it's exclusion is political
CaliggyJack 10.09.19	"really, really surprised not to see Benji on here: i suspect it's exclusion is political" It's P4K, all of their ratings are political.
luci 10.09.19	he called one of their journalists a bitch onstage so they cancelled him more surprised by the lack of swans on the list (they gave the seer and to be kind 9.0+). i'm guessing cause of the rape accusations?
Relinquished 10.09.19	that’s something bitches would do
CaliggyJack 10.09.19	Basically proving that they are bitches lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.09.19	Whomst the fuck benji
Keyblade 10.09.19	literally was about to post that potsy
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.09.19	I googles it and all that came up was a movie about a dog (my kryptonite)
Gyromania 10.09.19	3 for 44 is a massive fail tbh
Winesburgohio 10.09.19	...i should probably learn how to implement ctrl + f snark aside, stoked to see 48 make it ( :
GhostB1rd 10.09.19	Ain't he that guy that became a quasi-white walker?
Keyblade 10.09.19	I got some articles on some unknown rapper
luci 10.09.19	"3 for 44 is a massive fail tbh" why would luci care about a tribe called quest record? "jazz rap" and "boom bap" tags don't work for me
GhandhiLion 10.09.19	Nice now I know what to listen to.
GhostB1rd 10.09.19	The only thing I can glean from this list is that someone's family over at pitchfork is being held hostage by Beyoncé's people.
luci 10.09.19	benji is referring to sun kil moon's record
Keyblade 10.09.19	who
GhostB1rd 10.09.19	or whom?
Keyblade 10.09.19	jk I remember that being aoty on here a couple of years ago
GhostB1rd 10.09.19	Kacey Musgraves is like country music for people who think she's hot and don't listen to country music.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.09.19	that tribe album sucks ftr
Winesburgohio 10.09.19	Kacey Musgraves is for people who have experienced emotions in their lives and have left the confines of their house on occasion agreed
GhostB1rd 10.09.19	Same girl, different park.
theBoneyKing 10.09.19	Ah, but I like Kacey Musgraves! And she is hot
GhostB1rd 10.09.19	90% of you emphasize that latter part.
CaliggyJack 10.09.19	90% of women in Pop only have their looks going for them, considering that's the main reason they're hired and not cuz they can sing, which they barely can.
GhandhiLion 10.09.19	this is pasta
Lucman 10.09.19	This looks like a p4k list all right.
chemicalmarriage 10.09.19	Has pitchfork ever featured a list about Sputnik top of the decade on its site Fucking lame
dimsim3478 10.09.19	"Blonde was a good album but never the best of the decade." yea agreed. i adore it and it's got unbelievable highs but ultimately it's just too inconsistent to make the top of the list imo. still excellent but only really a 4/5 "there's a lack of rock/metal but that's never been pitchfork's interest." that's fair but it must then be taken as irrefutable that the list is exceptionally narrow. tons of metal releases worthy of the top 200 of the decade and...all they included was portal, pallbearer, and deafheaven? THOSE are the "best" of the decade?
dimsim3478 10.09.19	also "90% of women in Pop only have their looks going for them, considering that's the main reason they're hired and not cuz they can sing, which they barely can." is this a copypasta or just legitimately sexist? most of the records on this list are pretty good btw it's just the picks/exclusions and ordering make it seem like pandering, crowd-pleasing, and political posturing even
Trifolium 10.09.19	I've only heard two of these haha!! Didn't really like both of them either. No big surprise there.
Demon of the Fall 10.09.19	P4k really is a bag of wank these days then huh? When did they stop covering indie music and instead start pandering to the mainstream? - I jest, but well not really, especially given their placements.
peekatoad 10.09.19	all mainstream [2]
tectactoe 10.09.19	Not a single Swans album in the Top 200? The fuck.
Demon of the Fall 10.09.19	I wasn't expecting rock/metal/whatever, but when Sowing says there isn't enough rock/metal then there's not enough damn rock/metal P4k. Some indie would be nice, I see they added a few token releases to the pop/hip-hop mass, so they can pretend it's still something they promote.
vult 10.09.19	no Daughters on this list is a shame.
hadeserbonfa 10.09.19	The absence of Benji is criminal. And I don't see the reason why Skeleton Tree was left out
CaliggyJack 10.09.19	"is this a copypasta or just legitimately sexist?" Neither. Get over yourself. I'm not saying the music itself isn't good, but it isn't based off of their singing ability, which is enhanced to high Hell with over-dubbing and special effects because they can't actually sing. Have you heard these women sing live? If you did you wouldn't be so quick to launch the sexism missile.
tectactoe 10.09.19	Seriously though, how do they score 'To Be Kind' with a 9.2 but then somehow that album doesn't make their Top 200 of the decade list which includes many albums they scored at 8.0. Sure opinions change but......the fuck.
dimsim3478 10.09.19	ppl were talking about it a few comments up^. its probs cuz of the accusations that came out against gira (which dropped after TBK was released and reviewed). imo regardless of how anyone feels about those accusations, who gives a fuck if they didnt include swans? everyone in the world already knows that those records are the best of the decade
CaliggyJack 10.09.19	P4K are the IGN of music reviews
Keyblade 10.09.19	list is hardly all mainstream. I count like 20 mainstream releases and that's counting Tribe and Fiona Apple. that's not even half
AngryJohnny 10.09.19	Was also surprised by no Skeleton Tree, not aware of Nick Cave doing anything to piss pitchfork off. List was fairly bad
peekatoad 10.09.19	I'd say at least 30 of the 50 on this list are mainstream
DoofDoof 10.09.19	That top 15...lol, awful
DoofDoof 10.09.19	If the list started at 16 I wouldn't be ecstatic with the list....but I'd be a lot happier
DoofDoof 10.09.19	The number 1 guitar record of the '10s? Vampire Weekend. Only Pitchfork.
808muzik 10.09.19	19 already?
neekafat 10.09.19	not bad actually
Trifolium 10.10.19	"Seriously though, how do they score 'To Be Kind' with a 9.2 but then somehow that album doesn't make their Top 200 of the decade list which includes many albums they scored at 8.0. Sure opinions change but......the fuck." Great question. Maybe they get some money from record companies for this? Would be awful but could be true?
luci 10.10.19	same story as brand new who got BNM and then left off the year-end list. pitchfork cancels artists after sexual assault accusations
Trifolium 10.10.19	Ah fair enough.
DoofDoof 10.10.19	'same story as brand new who got BNM and then left off the year-end list. pitchfork cancels artists after sexual assault accusations' the cruel irony being some of the artists skipped might actually be innocent and some included in the list might be guilty of something else they don't like but they just don't know yet? nice guys might not always finish last but they don't always finish first...so 'Nice People: The Decade List' might not contain the best 200 albums well, I mean the list bears that out, it's missing half the albums that should really be up there according to both consensus and their own prior taste/review ratings
Trifolium 10.10.19	Yup, that's my main issue with this approach too. I still get why they would exclude them though.
DoofDoof 10.10.19	two weeks into January Frank Ocean is arrested on suspicion of going the full R Kelly...imagine the Pitchfork backtrack
Demon of the Fall 10.10.19	'That top 15...lol, awful' (2) I get that a lot of the entries here aren't necessarily in my wheelhouse, but my main bone of contention is their placements, particularly those at the top end. P4k sold out. I can accept this for what it is from 16 down. I very rarely give the site any traffic these days anyway and this list just helps to reinforce that decision.
Trifolium 10.10.19	''I very rarely give the site any traffic these days anyway and this list just helps to reinforce that decision.'' Same here, used to go there quite regularly, not anymore.
SandwichBubble 10.10.19	"not bad actually" Why are you like this. "Maybe they get some money from record companies for this?" It's not a question of if they do, it's a question of how much and by whom. No conglomerate is sinless and Pitchfork has been under the thumb of one for half this decade (since 2015). I'd argue they were gearing up for the sell-out long before then, but I'll hold off on that front. Only reason people still care about pitchfork is because they had goodwill 15 years ago, but that's long past now and people should move on.
Sowing 10.10.19	Everything in the comment above is on-point. Couldn't have stated it better. Their reputation is definitely suffering, and I don't think they'll be considered the elite "voice" in music for much longer.
SandwichBubble 10.10.19	Tried my best to not sound too much like a "kids these days harumph" type, still don't think I succeeded but w/e :) I mean as long as the next gen believes that pitchfork is still the tastemaker it once was, it'll do fine. It's hard to break something so deeply engrained as Pitchfork. It's like putting down old yeller. I mean shit, I'm still talking about Pitchfork and I don't even read it anymore. They were just that important to me in the Pitchforkmedia days. Tl;dr kids these days harumph
unclereich 10.10.19	"two weeks into January Frank Ocean is arrested on suspicion of going the full R Kelly...imagine the Pitchfork backtrack" he'd pull a juicy smollett and no one would care
hadeserbonfa 10.10.19	fortunately for Tyler, he used to talk shit before cancel culture was a thing
hesperus 10.14.19	this whole discussion is more cringeworthy than any p4k list could ever be. doubly so when you realize the top 15 contains two albums by Kanye - you know, that infamously woke dude who supports trump and recently claimed that slavery is a choice
hesperus 10.14.19	anyway, looking forward to the users’ AOTD list, which i’m sure will be absolutely objective and completely devoid of embarrassing picks that emblematize Sput’s core userbase
zakalwe 10.14.19	That top ten is bloody woeful
Demon of the Fall 10.14.19	SandwichBubble is on point here, you get the impression P4k are living off their past reputation, slowly but surely this will erode away - we might just not have quite got there yet. I guess some of the reactions here are evidence that people have seen the light.
DoofDoof 10.14.19	'That top ten is bloody woeful' the next 5 are even worse
zakalwe 10.14.19	Insipid
theBoneyKing 10.14.19	Another frustrating aspect of this is how early they posted the list, I mean sure, it's realtively unlikely that more than a few albums worthy of the decade list will come out before January (and none will have the time to fully settle) but you just know they posted it now so they could beat all the other pubs. There's not other reason they couldn't have waited until December at the earliest.
Demon of the Fall 10.14.19	'so they could beat all the other pubs.' If P4k was a pub, it'd be one of those arty farty establishments that do craft sales and an extensive vegan menu. The seating is a random assorted mish-mash of uncomfortable wooden 'school' seats. The drinks are over-priced despite offering nothing out of the ordinary. Their marketing and 'ethos' is centred around being small, independent and 'for the people' but in reality they're owned by a soulless national corporation that only cares about making money.
zakalwe 10.14.19	Indeed demo. Good lad.
Gyromania 10.14.19	Trust hesp to come in here and turn this into a sjw discussion
Sinternet 10.14.19	sjwmusic with the most ironic take of the month
sixdegrees 10.14.19	dont fuck with him, he'll spam the site into the ground if he has to
Gyromania 10.14.19	I don't think you know what irony means
Gyromania 10.14.19	Whoa Kanye West said some ignorant shit? Guess I can't enjoy his music anymore, gotta take that sweet, sweet moral high ground
Sinternet 10.14.19	this thread isn't worth it man, please don't spam us
Sowing 10.14.19	p4k gonna be hella pissed when it comes forward that Frank Ocean is friends with someone who sat in the same room as someone who's uncle voted for Trump.
sixdegrees 10.14.19	are they really
Sinternet 10.14.19	enlightened and alpha take
Gyromania 10.14.19	Haha nice, Sowing
hadeserbonfa 10.14.19	Considering this list aims at diversity, isn't this too centered around US releases? (3/4 are, I think)
hesperus 10.15.19	listen to kanye all you want. put him on whatever lists you want. i’m just saying, if you think p4k’s picks are guided by ulterior SJW motives, you don’t have a leg to stand on
hesperus 10.15.19	sometimes people just like the music they like, and sometimes that music happens to include Lemonade and Hopelessness
budgie 10.15.19	what the fuck is p4k
luci 10.15.19	"i’m just saying, if you think p4k’s picks are guided by ulterior SJW motives, you don’t have a leg to stand on" seriously? there's been a clear tilt in their writing and coverage towards social justice. the artist's political opinions are now considered when it comes time to hand out the awards. they chose kanye's ultralight beam as their #1 song for 2016, it's now 77th on their decade list. i find it hard to believe that it fell in their eyes that much, more likely they downranked him due to the MAGA shit.
luci 10.15.19	the new pitchfork ethos is that it's their responsibility to promote progressive causes, that their music reviewing site is a platform for social and political change. agree or disagree with that approach, it's blatant by this point
Gyromania 10.15.19	Okay wait, I may have mistook your original comment, hesp. I thought you were saying YOU thought it was ridiculous that someone would add Kanye to their list
DoofDoof 10.15.19	'i’m just saying, if you think p4k’s picks are guided by ulterior SJW motives, you don’t have a leg to stand on' dunno dude, they've done a lot of revisionist articles/reviews on albums from decades ago and gone the full 'Friends was actually racist propaganda' route As well as the really cringe'y 'trap always existed! obscure hip hop mixtapes from as far back as the '90s were actually always the only music worth listening to - do we get our Scouts badge now?' stuff it was like it happened over 12-24 months
Trophycase 10.15.19	"i’m just saying, if you think p4k’s picks are guided by ulterior SJW motives, you don’t have a leg to stand on" When you cancel Swans and Brand New for political reasons I have no clue how you can say this. Why are you even trying to defend them lol?
JS19 10.15.19	place 'reflecting on things that used to be okay that are no longer considered ok is culture genocide' hot take no 73628234763473 here
ShitsofRain 12.17.19	blonde on 1st place put a smile on my face.