Ryus: Twin Peaks: The Return–some thoughts

Ryus 06.07.22	lmk your thoughts yall
rabidfish 06.07.22	I agree with everything said here. I just want to add that the return also seems to be the most buddhist of all Lynch's work so far. It seems everyone who actively yearns for something in TP is doomed to suffer. The scene at the diner with Mr. C and his crew when he says "I don't NEED. I WANT"... That's the buddhist anti-christ lol. A being of pure desire.
el_newg 06.07.22	greatest TV ever made
Rowan5215 06.07.22	never cried at anything harder than the lights going out in the Log Lady's cabin. the way they wrote her character off was so stunning
Ryus 06.07.22	def rabidfish, there's a lot of spirituality contained in the return. haven't thought about mr. c being antithetical to lynch's own personal philosophy/buddhism but i think that's a great explanation of that line. still don't know exactly what to make of the "we are the dreamer" thing but i suspect it has some sort of religious significance.
Ryus 06.07.22	"greatest TV ever made" ya for real rowan, every log lady scene was incredibly affecting. such a tasteful and emotional send-off for both the character and coulson.
Romulus 06.07.22	brings back some memories
Ryus 06.07.22	:'] as much as i love badalamenti, i love the sparse usage of his music in the return. really underscores how different the world of twin peaks is in 2017.
Ryus 06.07.22	also i have to say, i was never frustrated by the dougie storyline. loved every minute of it
naughtcturnal 06.07.22	The Return is best Lynch by a long shot and I’m a huge fan of his. Show was amazing
Avagantamos 06.07.22	soooo good, I struggle to even find words for it. Looking at Beksinski paintings is the closest experience I can think of to seeing The Return
Egarran 06.07.22	I'M OLD SCHOOL, DENISE. YOU KNOW THAT. BEFORE YOU WERE DENISE, WHEN YOU WERE DENNIS AND I WAS YOUR BOSS, WHEN I HAD YOU WORKING UNDERCOVER AT THE DEA, YOU WERE A CONFUSED AND WILD THING SOMETIMES. I HAD ENOUGH DIRT ON YOU TO FILL THE GRAND CANYON - AND I NEVER USED A SPOONFUL BECAUSE YOU WERE AND ARE A GREAT AGENT. AND WHEN YOU BECAME DENISE, I TOLD ALL YOUR COLLEAGUES, THOSE CLOWN COMICS, TO FIX THEIR HEARTS OR DIE.
Trebor. 06.07.22	I was walking this morning and saw a house with a big red door and my brain automatically did the Dougie Jones voice
Egarran 06.07.22	Janey-E Jones: What kind of world are we living in where people can behave like this? Treat other people this way without any compassion or feeling for their suffering? We are living in a dark, dark age, and you are part of the problem. Now, I suggest you take a good, long look at yourselves because I never want to see either of you again. [she leaves] Jimmy: Tough dame. Tommy: Tough.
Ryus 06.07.22	both great moments eg there are so many individually incredible moments, yet it's still way way more than the sum of its parts.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.07.22	So what’s ur interpretation of the ending are you team Laura bomb
loveisamixtape 06.07.22	the return is my fav season of my fav show ever, great list. also peak lynch i think i didn’t expect the return to be as good as the first 10 or so eps of season 2 but it still haunts me and i haven’t rewatched it since 2019
rabidfish 06.07.22	don't know exactly what to make of the "we are the dreamer" thing but i suspect it has some sort of religious significance. We dream the reality of this world, just like a spider that weaves her web then lives moving over it, bound by its own limits. But if we live inside our own dream and call it reality, then we are part of the dream. So who's the dreamer?
z00sh 06.07.22	Finished the whole series (+ FWWM) last week and yeah it deserves all the hype it gets. Really loved the surrealism being amped up a notch on episodes 8 and others.
Ryus 06.07.22	@pots what is the laura bomb
Rowan5215 06.08.22	my shadow is always with me sometimes ahead, sometimes behind sometimes to the left, sometimes to the right ...except on cloudy days ......or at night
Ryus 06.08.22	wally brando is the best character in the twin peaks universe
Rowan5215 06.08.22	i remember seeing Cera had been cast in s3 and i thought it was gonna be some silly bullshit for ratings, then he showed up as Andy and Lucy's son and i went oh. of course. this might be the greatest casting of all time
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.08.22	to try and put it as brief and succinctly as possible... laura bomb theory is that the giants plan was to send Cooper back in time to save Laura to create an alternate timeline in which all the terrible shit that happened to Laura didn't happen, in this timeline Diane and Cooper are "Richard and Linda" (thats why he tells cooper to remember richard and linda), crude facsimile's of their normal selves. the idea is that the giants response to the mother being born into the real world - an entity of pure evil - is to send a body of pure innocence / good into the world as a counter-weight. that essence of good is the laura orb. the lodge folk eat gamonbozia (creamed corn), which is pain and suffering, and the ultimate form of garmonbozia is garmonbozia from the most innocent and pure folk, so laura is basically an irresistible beacon to the most powerful lodge spirits such as bob and the mother. her corruption is part of a plan to keep the balance in the real world. but things get all fucky when bob doesn't go back to the black lodge (there can only b 1) and time and reality begins to get all loose and corrupted. this allows the giant to get cooper to travel back in time to save laura which corrupts time further and creates an alternate reality. then, cooper and diane travel to the alternate reality in their car (notice the timeline of them both starting to behave like different people) and perform a terrible sex ritual to entice the mother into following them (sex is bad cuz lynch and also diane having sex with her rapist is good garmonbozia). Diane quickly forgets who she was and becomes Linda and fucks off leaving Cooper to complete the mission, while he also struggles to retain a semblance of his former self. Confused Cooper who is becoming Richard finds "Laura" and brings her to her old home which now belongs to the chalamonts or tremonds or whatever (same same - this was covered in FWWM - original hosts or relatives for the granny and the kid with the magic corn tricks, whomst are black lodge folks). As they are turned away and Coopers mind is fully boggling The Mother cries out to Laura which causes memories of all the trauma from the alternate timeline to rush back to Laura, which ignites her white lodge essence like a nuclear innocence bomb that obliterates that timeline. Laura screams, everything fades to black, Coop and Diane are martyrs, the Twin peaks reality is saved The End.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.08.22	That’s really the short hand of it but I strongly recommend thinking about all this during your rewatch
Winesburgohio 06.08.22	Just thinking about the final exchanges between Hawk and The Log Lady make me tear up. Both actors conveyed so much gravitas and dignity one has to assume the mutual affection was genuine - Hawk's expression after finishing the phonecall Ruins me. Anyway The Return is my favourite thing ever put to film and rewatches have only affirmed this!!! It's miraculous!! Ep 8 gave me stendahl syndrome and the season as a whole gave me writer's block for years because it said everything that needed saying. I still think about it frequently all these years later. My dharma
JeetJeet 06.08.22	One of the greatest seasons of television of all time
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.08.22	*the greatest season of television of all time
z00sh 06.08.22	i am the fbi
Rowan5215 06.08.22	that last goodbye, margaret from hawk.... fuk ed and norma kissing while the music plays.... FUK
YoYoMancuso 06.08.22	HeLllOOOoooOoooOOOOooooo
ArsMoriendi 06.08.22	People who thought the slow pace of The Return was Lynch trolling don't deserve Lynch.
Rowan5215 06.08.22	do you really wanna FUCK with THIS
YoYoMancuso 06.08.22	how about when Nine Inch Nails show up in the middle of the most insane hour of television ever produced
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.08.22	*The Nine Inch Nails
Rowan5215 06.08.22	i just love the fact that fucking Matthew Lillard gave one of the best performances on the show
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.08.22	Lmao yeah
Jasdevi087 06.08.22	Audrey's mini storyline near the end is a super bold way to have handled a character like that. A former 90s teenage heartthrob confronting the banal existential hell of wasted potential
Rowan5215 06.08.22	apparently Audrey was originally meant to have Sylvia (her mother)'s storyline too. so the first time we'd see her in the show would be getting attacked and robbed by her own son while her brother is fucking dying in the background goddamn that scene is uncomfy even by Lynch standards
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.08.22	That’s interesting as it would then put to rest the “she’s still in a coma” theory
Jasdevi087 06.08.22	i think it's more interesting to say she's not in a coma tbh. coma theory is just weedbro "woooaaah it's so deep, what you're seeing isn't actually what's happening! isn't that crazy?" nonsense
Rowan5215 06.08.22	broke: audrey is in a coma woke: audrey is the dreamer and created twin peaks itself
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.08.22	Mark Frost definitively states that she did not remain in a coma in Final Dossier for what it’s worth
protokute 06.08.22	I don't think it was trolling, but I just couldn't get involved...... I need to rewatch this someday, interesting thoughts guys...
rabidfish 06.08.22	I interpret the ending as a punishment for coop. By actively choosing to abandon his life with Janey-E and sunny Jim for his job as an agent, the last episode we see his life as it played out. Unhappy relationships, he seems much more callous and like he's just going through the motions, the only thing keeping him going is his obsession over a case from 25 years ago. When he gets to TP it no longer charms him, he just wants to "do the job". Hell, Carry doesn't even recognize the house, almost as if she was just a complete stranger. That last "what year is this?" As cooper goes full dementia mode really hits strong. Growing old was one of the more prevalent themes on the return, and seeing its most beloved character like this makes me think Lynch really wanted to drive this point home. Don't obsess over work. Enjoy life.
Rowan5215 06.08.22	btw ryus i hope you watched the missing pieces too. some of the most essential peaks content in there imo
DrGonzo1937 06.08.22	The return is a masterpiece. It wasn’t subversive or anything like that. It met every single expectation I had for it — and more
DrGonzo1937 06.08.22	I’ve been meaning to rewatch it for ages now. Need to get back on it
Ryus 06.08.22	agreed hard gonzo. yeah rowan i've seen the missing pieces. loved the extra jeffries content
Ryus 06.08.22	"People who thought the slow pace of The Return was Lynch trolling don't deserve Lynch." fr for all the confounding parts of the return, audrey's storyline is probably the most confounding for me. i'm hesitant to make an opinion on how (or if) it fits into the overarching storyline but during this second viewing i'll try to make sense of it
Ryus 06.08.22	pots that is really something interesting to think about. i'll keep it in mind
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.08.22	Yeah Audrey’s story is the part I’m the least sure about as well
Egarran 06.08.22	I wanted more of the scientific observations of the mysterious glass box. What are your theories on that?
Rowan5215 06.08.22	I TOLD YOUUUUUUUUU THIS IS WHAT WE DO IN THE FBI
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.08.22	The glass box was a trap booper set to catch and destroy cooper when/if he was sent back in the real world because there can only be 1 at a time (when he failed to kill copper and dougie, the husk for cooper, this is why he started puking and getting all fucked up and why time and reality begins to unwind at an escalated rate
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.08.22	I believe booper drives to the same location that Diane and cooper drive to to travel to the alternate timeline because there is a tear in reality there and that helps booper not get ripped back into the black lodge when coop gets sent back to earth
Egarran 06.08.22	Right, thanks.
ArsMoriendi 06.08.22	By Booper you mean Mr C right?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.08.22	Yeah bob plus cooper equals booper
TalonsOfFire 06.08.22	I’m about 2/3 of the way through rewatching the original series with the gf, stoked to get to The Return cause I haven’t seen it since it aired. I didn’t find the pace too slow from what I can remember, outside of 2-3 random scenes like the broom sweeping part, the attractive woman leaving the room, and I guess the whole second half of episode 3 haha I do remember being impatient with the Dougie story after a while, but I think upon a rewatch it’ll be more enjoyable since I know where it all goes. I’ve never heard of this “Laura bomb” theory before but a lot of that was what I gathered already, especially the interpretation of the very end. If someone could remind me what the deal is with Laura’s mother that would be helpful. She’s not connected to the abomination from episode 8 is she? It’s been a while…
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.08.22	Laura’s mother is possessed by “the abomination” from episode 8 (the mother)
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.08.22	>Nuclear bomb testing rips holes in the fabric of reality allowing lodge spirits to enter >The Mother of all black lodge spirits births bob blob and other greater blob spirits, frog-bug egg, and an entourage of lesser black lodge head-crusher hobo spirits into the world. > Headcrusher hobo spirits facilitate the hatching of frog-bug (the mother’s avatar on earth) and subsequent possession of young Sarah Palmer
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.09.22	>Bob blob seeks out and possesses Leland Palmers neighbour and flicks matches at him and shit. Eventually possesses Leland.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.09.22	Likely possesses other poor souls before Leland’s neighbour, unless Leland’s neighbor was the one armed man’s accomplice
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.09.22	I wish I could read comments about twin peaks from the perspective of someone who knows nothing about it, must be so funny
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.09.22	What other show can you talk about in terms as absurd as Laura orb, Bob blob, booper cooper and dooper, black lodge hobos, frog bug, David Bowie tea kettle, electric brain tree, stealing creamed corn, etc in complete seriousness
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.09.22	“…and then Bob blob enters the precinct through the portal in the floor and Freddie uses the magic garden glove to punch bob blob so hard he explodes”
Romulus 06.09.22	THIS IS ME DESTINY
Winesburgohio 06.09.22	Bobby learning that his father never gave up hope on him! a lovely touch
Rowan5215 06.09.22	as fucking great as The Return is I'm not sure any individual scene for me touches a) Bobby and Garland discussing the vision of light and b) the last 10 minutes of episode 14 and y'all say s2 is bad smh
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.09.22	When people say s2 is bad I just assume what they really mean is the handful of episodes between episode 14 and when the show gets back on track for the ending
Jasdevi087 06.09.22	the beginning of season 2 is one of the strongest sections of the show
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.09.22	Literally the two best parts of the entire show are beginning and ending of s2
Rowan5215 06.09.22	I see people say s2 is bad from the first episode a lot. just don't understand it at all. I'll take the run from episode 8 to 16 over s1 frankly even when you're in that deeply bad run afterwards there are a lot of bright spots. every Gordon/Coop interaction, Windom Earle being fucking batshit, Civil War Ben is underrated and hilarious
JeetJeet 06.09.22	That scene of Bobby seeing Laura's picture and breaking down in s3 is incredible
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.09.22	I like the “bad run” in season 2 as well. It’s not actually bad, it’s just the worst part of twin peaks just because it’s the only part that feels a bit directionless. it’s still about 5000x more iconic than most tv.
Rowan5215 06.09.22	yeah a lot of it is unironically enjoyable and pretty much everything else, bar the unwatchable Evelyn shit, ironically lovable
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.09.22	Hahaha I always forget about the fucking Evelyn arch
Egarran 06.09.22	I forgot about the fucking magic garden glove not the show's best moment
Ryus 06.09.22	i didn't love it in the moment but in retrospect after episode 18 i understood the choice
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.09.22	Garden glove is sick af
rabidfish 06.09.22	the green glove rocks that dude is my hero
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.09.22	Absolute lad
TalonsOfFire 06.10.22	Ah ok thx for the explanation. A lot of that was what I suspected, but must've gotten thrown off when I had read that it was just a fan theory to think the couple affected by the explosion in Part 8 were Lelend and Sarah Palmer, instead of just random people nearby. I love the first 9 eps of season 2 just as much as season 1. It's up and down in quality from there to the amazing finale, but it's mostly alright aside from pretty much everything with James, and Ed's wife thinking she's in high school.
loveisamixtape 06.10.22	RIP julee cruise though ;(
ArsMoriendi 06.10.22	Season 2 is almost flawless except for the Evelyn Marsh shit and James’s “song” oh and I guess Donna smoking and wearing sunglasses was awful too lol. Man James and Donna are easily my least favorites, though James did redeem himself in season 3… too bad Lara Flynn Boyle is awful so there was no Donna redemption. Was Moira Kelly busy? Side note: Nadine’s super strength is honestly one of the funniest things in the entire series
Ryus 06.10.22	yeah i love the nadine storyline lol. james’s song rules too haha but the evelyn thing is god awful
z00sh 06.10.22	Really didn't like that sub-plot with Dick Tremayne either lol
ArsMoriendi 06.10.22	Dick's hilarious, he's such a douchy goofball, makes it easy to root for Andy
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.10.22	“ it was just a fan theory to think the couple affected by the explosion in Part 8 were Lelend and Sarah Palmer, instead of just random people nearby.” I mean the only one immediately effected was Sarah Palmer, the young girl in the episode, there is no clear timeline on when Leland became possessed. Lots of other people were certainly affected nearby as you see the mother release lots of other blobs that are not Bob blob into the world. That’s just kind of the origin of the evil spirits leaking into the world and spreading out from there.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.10.22	James’s song and Donna smoking in sunglasses are two of the most iconic moments of the entire OG series (in a The Room way of course)
Nomos2 06.10.22	So I'm a huge TP fan. Before its resurgence I did the trips to North Bend/Snoqualmie, visited all the filming locations, and I even got a TP tattoo in 2013. I have not finished The Return lol. What was it, 2017? I think at the time I started it and I wasn't prepared for it. It's even weirder than it was in the 90s. "Dougie" bugged the shit out of me and after maybe 6 episodes I just never picked it back up because the tone felt so fucking odd and not like old TP. I just read a synopsis for the end of the season and it actually makes me want to pick it back up. I think I could appreciate it a heck of a lot more now.
z00sh 06.10.22	Dougie's legendary
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.10.22	@nomos you need to finish it and then it will make sense and you will like dougie in retrospect
TalonsOfFire 06.10.22	RIP Julee Cruise indeed Any fan of the original series should consider The Return a must-watch. It’s the best thing Lynch has done. FWWM and Missing Pieces are essential too. It’s a whole epic saga! The Nadine thing was funny at times but I thought it was too goofy in the context of the show. I didn’t mind Dick or Donna in season 2. I don’t exactly think either character is meant to be that likable. I thought the song was pretty clearly meant to be terrible on purpose too.
loveisamixtape 06.10.22	nadine plot one of my least favorites after anything involving james. james performing in the return was at least wholesome but man. what an (intentionally) annoying character
Nomos2 06.10.22	fuck RIP Julee, that sucks
Trebor. 06.10.22	Lynch's vid about Cruise's passing is a tough watch
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.10.22	Nadine rules
Nomos2 06.10.22	James drools
Trebor. 06.10.22	The most underrated bad section of Twin Peaks is that annoying guy and his plants that kills himself
protokute 06.10.22	^ agreed
Egarran 06.10.22	Jacoby's golden shovels though
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.10.22	James is so cool
TalonsOfFire 06.10.22	He appeals to the sensitive, empty headed greaser wannabe in us all
Storm In A Teacup 06.10.22	TLDR but “ for art, explaining everything takes away the mystery and lets you forget that you ever experienced it in the first place.” That is beautiful 😍
rabidfish 06.10.22	the thing that saves the gold shovel bit is the fact that i 100% buy Jacobi would end up like that.
TalonsOfFire 06.10.22	The gold shovel bit is funny, of course it’s plausible that that’s how Jacoby would turn out. He’s one of the most joyfully eccentric characters on the show which is saying something.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.10.22	He’s at the very least the least unsavoury pedophile of the lot
ArsMoriendi 06.11.22	"Jacoby's golden shovels though" Brilliant stuff "He’s at the very least the least unsavoury pedophile of the lot" Agreed, I mean Ben, Leo, Leland... like my god this show had so many. I guess Nadine is an accidental one since she's into Mike when she thinks she's a minor
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.11.22	Hmm ya on second thought Nadine is the least unsavoury pedophile, sorry Jaco
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.11.22	Don’t forget garden guy, he is also a pedo
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.11.22	And the fat Renault Also not sure how old Billy Zane’s character is supposed to be but it’s giving pedo
Mort. 06.11.22	i have been meaning to watch this show for years and years and years now and i still know almost nothing about it theres a lady called laura or something?
JeetJeet 06.11.22	"i have been meaning to watch this show for years and years and years now and i still know almost nothing about it" Keep it like that, and watch it ASAP
Mort. 06.11.22	na gonna go spoil everything for myself brb
Egarran 06.11.22	One of the great things about TP is the lack of children. I remember one in The Return - and it doesn't end up too well for him.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.11.22	Hell yeah
Mort. 06.11.22	theres no kids in this? sweet i hate kids
Trebor. 06.11.22	The creamed corn kid
Ryus 06.11.22	hes cool tho
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.11.22	He’s also not really a kid
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.11.22	There’s also the sick zombie kid in the car scene
Egarran 06.11.22	Oh right, I had repressed that amazing scene. Damn.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.11.22	Point remains, things didn’t look so good for her either 😂
Egarran 06.11.22	What's the take on that? Some kind of collateral damage from evil entering TP?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.11.22	a consequence of the accelerated unraveling of time and reality caused by Bob refusing to return to the black lodge is a spreading illness and disease
Egarran 06.11.22	Straight up that's what I meant
Rowan5215 06.12.22	creamed corn kid is fuckin based af yea. mf just hoppin round in an animal mask like nobody's business
JeetJeet 06.12.22	Theres also that kid that Richard Horne wrecks with his truck
ArsMoriendi 06.12.22	Creamed Corn kid is Lynch's actual son
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.12.22	Iirc it’s a different kid in the movie and in the show, one is his kid one is his nephew or something like that. Also one of the bands in the Return featured his nephew or son or some close relative as well
loveisamixtape 06.12.22	donna’s sister is a kid
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.12.22	OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH MARES EAT OATS AND DOES EAT OATS AND LITTLE LAMBS EAT IVY
z00sh 06.12.22	This is the water and this is the well. Drink full and descend. The horse is the white of the eyes, and dark within
Rowan5215 06.13.22	yeah its Lynchs son in s2, even looks exactly like Lynch if you compressed him down to child size lol. different kid in FWWM though anyone else get the vibe that the Tremonds/Chalfonts are kinda chaotic neutral spirits? they're obviously Black Lodge dwellers but they seem a lot more MIKE than BOB to me idk
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.13.22	Ya I feel that. They are also quite helpful and non meddlesome
Rowan5215 06.13.22	they def seem to not be feeling BOB and The Arm's weird voodoo shit in the Missing Pieces convenience store scene lol. and giving Laura the painting arguably was helping her too (in a fucked up roundabout way ofc)
Rowan5215 06.13.22	I'm rewatching cos of this thread and Russ Tamblyn's performance is so good and underrated. he knows exactly what he's doing and what the show is from his first scene, maybe more than anyone else in the pilot tbh
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.13.22	They were also helpful to Donna in a roundabout way
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.13.22	I kind of see Bob as a trickster god black lodge entity in a way. I think for the most part the black and white lodge spirits know the order of things and intend to keep it that way. Bob is a bit of an outlier in that he wants to break the rules at the expense of the order of things (and the fabric of time and reality itself).
TalonsOfFire 06.13.22	The creamed corn kid and grandma are just black lodge spirits who’re neutral? There’s a theory that they’re in the house at the very end, secretly feeding the lines to the person talking to Coop right before Laura screams and reality collapses or whatever happened there. Also when they show Sarah screaming and stabbing the picture of Laura, I assume that’s the abomination angry about Laura and Coop escaping the first reality or something?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.13.22	In a similar way as the arm in that they still feed on human suffering, but they follow the rules and respect the order of things. I don’t believe that theory about the tremonds/chalfonts, I think the point is that this is that family line in a reality where they haven’t been possessed. Sarah stabs the picture of Laura because copper is essentially stealing Laura from her by saving her in tue past
polyrhythm 06.13.22	Best season of TV ever
Rowan5215 06.14.22	"I kind of see Bob as a trickster god black lodge entity in a way. I think for the most part the black and white lodge spirits know the order of things and intend to keep it that way. Bob is a bit of an outlier in that he wants to break the rules at the expense of the order of things (and the fabric of time and reality itself)." I vibe most of this but have a pet theory people who die in twin peaks or part of the battle become white/black lodge spirits eventually. so jeffries, briggs etc in s3 joining the white lodge upsets what's likely been millennia of relative normalcy and allows the fireman to put his plan into action and defeat the mother/jowday
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.14.22	Interesting
sr388 06.20.22	bumping this thread because the TP discussion here is better than on the TP subreddit lol. season 3 is perfection and i didn't see it mentioned in here, but the scene that's always stuck with me is the addict mom talking to herself in vegas. haunting scene that speaks to the horrors of addiction and likely implies some lodge activity (especially with her being across the street from dougie's reincarnation).
Ryus 06.20.22	yeah it struck me during my second viewing that the 119 is probably some lodge-influenced backwards bastardization of 911
Rowan5215 06.20.22	iirc Frost straight up said 1-1-9 lady had one foot in the lodge world and one foot in ours. then again his interpretation of Twin Peaks and Lynch's tend to wildly differ lmao
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.20.22	I think that’s pretty legit, or at least addiction is one of the various afflictions of the black lodges influence alongside the madness and disease spreading in twin peaks, ramped up by the deraveling of reality, I wonder if it’s coincidence that she’s there or if proximity to dougie also hastens sickness. She pretty much the only instance of anyone in dougies proximity being sick so it seems a bit more coincidental to me.
Ryus 06.21.22	can we talk about the scene where the kid gets run over by richard? something about harry dean stanton's reaction plus the awkward/uncomfortable reaction of the onlookers plus his soul(?) leaving his body makes for one of the most affecting scenes in the show. i love how lynch isn't afraid to let the camera linger on a character's reaction. some of the most sympathetic filmmaking i've seen
rabidfish 06.21.22	fucking dumb ass kid lol yea that's a great scene, Harry's character is such a wholesome guy, love him.
rabidfish 06.21.22	also this scene, really powerful stuff, in such a low-key way. I legit love this show so mcuh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agR9TwqvEnc
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.21.22	Yeah man, Moby’s reaction was Oscar worthy too
sr388 06.21.22	@ryus i didn't even consider the backwards 911, great catch @rowan i love the disconnect between lynch and frost lol, makes it all the more surreal @lorde very true about everyone else being normal within dougie's proximity and it being more of just the lodge spilling into reality, similar to the girl in the car outside of the RR, christ that scene is brutal and yeah harry's character is so perfect
Rowan5215 06.21.22	I fully agree. if TP was all Lynch all the time it'd probably be more Inland Empire territory, eg still loved by diehards but lacking in that weird soap opera charm Frost brought thats so essential. when they're in harmony its the best tv ever made, its when the balance tips too far in either direction is when it goes wrong
Deathconscious 06.21.22	I need to re-watch Twin Peaks, i got to the last season but never finished it.
Rowan5215 06.21.22	just saw the European version of the pilot for the first time and man it's kinda wild that the entirety of episode 2's ending is just chillin in this random extra footage Lynch shot. he just had to edit it down
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.21.22	Wat
Egarran 06.21.22	yeah rowan we're gonna need more information
Rowan5215 06.22.22	my b lol I thought you fellas knew about this Europe didn't pick up Twin Peaks as a series so Lynch quickly shot 20 minutes of extra footage to make it into a movie there (similar to Mulholland Drive years later). it's mostly non-canon nonsense where Bob is some dude in a boiler room who just kills kids, but when they got around to making episode 2, Lynch just took all the best bits of the Europe footage and made literally one of the most iconic scenes on TV ever with Coop's dream absolute king shit
Egarran 06.22.22	Nice. I never heard that and I am slightly ashamed now.
Rowan5215 07.30.22	just finished a rewatch to this and a couple things stuck out: - the scene with Red and Richard Horne doesn't get a lot of discussion but it's one of my favourite scenes in the whole show. rides the line of being hilarious and unsettling better than almost anything else I've seen, it's so good - Kyle's performance as Dougie is his best work as the season, he actually feels more in his element than when he gets re-cooper'd towards the end. he's also amazing in part 18 when he seems to be vacillating between Cooper, Mr C and Dougie constantly - Grace Zabriskie gives the best performance of the season tho. those noises she's making before she breaks Laura's photo? jeeeesus fucking christ. scariest scene in any Lynch project for me - on the flipside, Ed and Norma's closure scene is the most beautiful thing he's ever directed. the music and pacing of it is just absolutely sublime - the lack of closure to the Becky/Shelly storyline really does bother me tho. I know Lynch is not typically about happy endings but this really feels like it needed one more scene. there's not nearly enough Harry Dean Stanton in the season either tbh - Jerry just greening out and running halfway across the country storyline whips, if you disagree you're a narc