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oisincoleman64 05.29.24	none of this matters I'm just bored
jrlikestodance 05.29.24	Brand New is def the Radiohead of emo in terms of how publications dick ride em into oblivion. Couple tracks tho
pizzamachine 05.29.24	Emo! Scene! Whatever!
Hawks 05.30.24	Emeno
jrlikestodance 05.30.24	Menday Parade
Asdfp277 05.30.24	i've always found emo to be a confusing genre because of stuff like this
Mort. 05.30.24	Hivemind guys can be pretty funny but the videos where they interact with their fanbase or guess their taste are so funny, all terminally online zoomers either listening to rap, hyperpop, pop punk or indie
Sinternet 05.30.24	whether 'emo-pop' counts as emo usually comes down to specific influences on bands and whether they lean more towards pop punk or the early crossover artists like jimmy eat world and such. fall out boy are definitely not an emo band, they've consistently been way more influenced by turn of the millenium pop punk than any actual emo artist, whereas say anything have at least some level of influence however tenuous. think the paramore one is a troll because that's the only one here that's particularly wrong. for mcr you can probably get away with saying bullets is emo as it pulls majorly from thursday (who were the first to really do that style in the mainstream and still had considerable emo influence), but the rest is pop punky alt rock.
oisincoleman64 05.30.24	Paramore's first album takes a considerate amount of influence from midwest emo and phxc, Fall Out Boy's first album takes a considerate amount of influence from The Get Up Kids
Motiv3 05.30.24	Emo became such an overused term in the 2000s. Nearly all of these albums are pop punk or post hardcore.
Sinternet 05.30.24	"Paramore's first album takes a considerate amount of influence from midwest emo and phxc" eh, not really to the point i would call it emo. the couple of instances you could make that point could just as easily be described as slower pop punk. "Fall Out Boy's first album takes a considerate amount of influence from The Get Up Kids" are you talking about evening's out? i haven't heard that in like ten years so possibly, but even then the get up kids were right at the fringes of emo and pop punk anyway, and especially less emo post-four minute mile. besides FOB have a much larger skate punk influence in their earlier stuff than any emo
oisincoleman64 05.30.24	"the couple of instances you could make that point could just as easily be described as slower pop punk." Tbh I don't think there's such a thing as slower pop punk, I think pop punk's usage has become just as diluted if not even more than emo's, I've seen people call everything pop punk from power pop to post-grunge
oisincoleman64 05.30.24	Also I was referring to Take This to Your Grave, I always forget they technically have an album before that, I agree about the skate punk influence but imo I personally think the music on that album is just as valid as emo as a lot of other emo-pop stuff and still comes from the same lineage, I think once they reached Infinity on High most of that disappeared though
JerseyJimmy 05.30.24	the cliffnotes for all of these are "they're emo if I like them and not emo if I don't"
oisincoleman64 05.30.24	do you mean mine or the website's?
JerseyJimmy 05.30.24	the website's
Asdfp277 05.30.24	pardon my ignorance, but what bands are most definitely actually emo? like bog-standard emo, what u most definitely should think of when thinking of 'emo'
oisincoleman64 05.30.24	its weird because its not like there is such a thing as pure emo music, emo is more like an umbrella term for different strains that take influence from different subgenres of rock, emocore is influenced by melodic hardcore and sounds nothing like midwest emo which is influenced by indie rock and slacker rock, these are considered the first two waves of emo and usually pointed towards when people want to define "real emo", so if we're already starting with two very distinct subgenres that sound so different it confuses me when people gatekeep and box out music that still obviously takes influence from previous emo music, it mostly feels like an elitist attitude that seems to think any bands that appeal to modern day emo/scene kids are automatically unworthy of the label because obviously being popular and trendy with teenagers has never sat well with anyone who takes their music taste that unnecessarily serious
Asdfp277 05.30.24	thanks for the explanation, that explains my confusion lol, it's from at least two sources. and yeah elitism's the vibe i get from the website too
chemicalmarriage 05.31.24	Listen to Meshuggah
Sinternet 05.31.24	emo came in waves. 1st wave emo was really only the 80s emocore stuff and some of the early 90s groups that came from a very hardcore background. think: rites of spring, gray matter, the hated, dag nasty, and moss icon (who kinda moved it into 2nd wave as well) 2nd wave emo is when disparate sounds started to split - you had emo that was influenced by early math rock, stuff that was starting to be influenced by influenced by indie rock, and then stuff that took the original hardcore influence into a heavier side that would essentially form screamo. bands: cap'n jazz, heroin, honeywell, samiam. 3rd wave is when screamo split off into its own thing entirely, and the math rock and indie rock styles had a meeting point utilising the mathy riffs over an indie rock style that became known as midwest emo despite many artists not being from the midwest but whatever. bands: braid, mineral, texas is the reason, christie front drive 4th wave is the start of the emo-pop sound and the convergence with post-hardcore, championed mostly by jimmy eat world and thursday respectfully. 5th wave is the underground 'revival' stuff that started in the late 00s and carried on through the first half of the 2010s, mostly inspired by the 2nd and 3rd wave. bands: snowing, brave bird, the world is a beautiful place... its worth noting that for some reason people disagree on the 'waves' of emo despite this being a very clear lineage and instead call this current wave the '5th wave', which leads me to wonder which of these they disagree with being its own period within the movement. so what should be called 6th wave but is instead called 5th wave for some random reason is a lot of the current underground internet artists who seem to collate a ton of disparate influences outside the emo genre into their music to varying levels of success. bands: home is where, kara's walk home, newgrounds death rugby, your arms are my cocoon
Asdfp277 05.31.24	thank u sint too, i think i understand it better now~