 | Botch We Are the Romans
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| 4.5 superb | Enotron | May 30th 10 |
I get such an evil sense of joy out of this album. Warning: This album tends to encourage people to fuck shit up.
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| 4.5 superb | Lucman | April 11th 19 |
Like the legendary Jane Doe that came barely two years after, We Are The Romans is another absolute classic record that established just what metalcore as a genre could do.
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| 5.0 classic | TRMshadow | October 30th 09 |
Why the F**k did this take so long to click?..... anyway, whogivesaf**k... it's amazing now!
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| 5.0 classic | Erwann S. STAFF | March 13th 24 |
We Are the Romans is one of the three metalmathcore pillars (ye Coalesce and Deadguy also exist I know), and I think it's the most representative of the mathcore genre. While Jane Doe is the one that bears the most resemblance with "traditional" hardcore punk, We Are the Romance has got those odd time signatures - they never went full jazz like The Dillinger Escape joyously did with their debut record, but they give it a run for their money with how syncopated some of the riffs are. What truly sets it apart is its incorporation of post-hardcore linings. Despite their rhythmical complexity, these riffs are dynamic and catchy. They don't just shine because of how fucking violent or cathartic they are, they shine because they're very obviously chord-oriented. Factor in an ironic package with these song titles and an attitude that essentially called bullshit on the prevailing hardcore aesthetics of its time, and you've got the most fun record of the Big 3, and an essential milestone of hardcore music.
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| 0.0 | GhettoIndieshit | March 6th 11 |
..........................................................................................lol Norma Jean
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| 5.0 classic | Grignard | November 29th 10 |
Really awesome stuff here; good amounts of diversity on the album e.g. think swimming the channel as opposed to mondrian, but the last song (hidden track) really ruined the consistency of the album. C'mon a drum and bass ending?
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| 5.0 classic | reeshespeeshes | June 29th 10 |
The influence of this cd is undeniable and the music itself is amazing. If you want to start with mathcore/metalcore this is the record to begin along with Calculating Infinity, Jane Doe and The Opposite of December
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| 5.0 classic | SilverShade | February 27th 22 |
One of the best -core albums i have heard so far. Captivating from start to finish. Every member on the record shows pure talent.
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| 4.5 superb | Bedex | May 30th 20 |
Oh boy I owe Botch a renewed discog run. 1-6 struck home ahrd and were easily looking at a 4.4. While the opener has bursts of genius but also some weaker sections, the rest is just fantastic with lovely riffs and chaos. I particularly liked the dissonance on 3, while 4 was nice but not as transcendental. I do love how calm it gets, setting you up nicely for the explosion coming up when the track changes to 5- you just sense it coming and that feels so good. 2 and 6 also have dope riffz riffz. Then I feel like past 7, the record loses steam a bit. 7 feels a bit more like your regular moshpit inducing metalcore, 8 is cool but feels like it lacks the madness of the earlier record, and frankly 9 felt like a drag. The hidden sort of DnB track, although quirky and completely out of place, is a fun addition imo and I quite like it. That end record brings this down to a mild, just about 4.5-tier 4.25
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| 5.0 classic | VengeanceCactus | May 3rd 19 |
Botch did it first and damn, they did it right. Every staple of metalcore is here but it's executed with finesse; every track has plenty of room to breathe but the runtime remains tight.
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| 5.0 classic | catdragons | April 8th 19 |
Not the heart-wrenching desperation of Converge, nor the furious insanity of TDEP, but still manages to be amazing every listen and defines the genre in its own way.
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| 5.0 classic | Risodo | May 5th 18 |
"We Are the Romans" is the most complete and influential album of the first wave of Metalcore. When the genre was still in its infancy, Botch has already arrived as a flyer, delivering to us such a clean and unforgiving work that seems to have been developed last year. I like absolutely everything on this record, from the sonority, to the lyrics and name of the songs that are really fantastic.
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| 5.0 classic | Hanusko | May 23rd 17 |
Let me introduce you to: God tier instrumentation, insane structuring, punishing heaviness and Experienced songwritting.
Since early 2000s there was this one question: Converge, TDEP or Botch ? I've always answered this with the same line ,,Is there anything these bands have in common ?'' It was always just a little horseplay, but when I actually think about it...I really don't get that question.
TDEP were always the ''chaotic ones'', while converge were very ,,Lyrical and Painfully heavy''...and Botch were always the ,,gorgeous ones'', extremely technical, heavy, yet very structured and somehow even calming. ,,We are the Romans'' has something that non-other album from the same genre has, and it is the songwritting...everything on this album makes way too much sense, every riff goes well with the one that goes after it and before it...and then you got to the end of the song and you'll realize that there was around 15 different riffs in different time signatures and it felt like one huge riff that went through the whole song. Off course there are things that aren't necessarily unique, but they still add to the album, Mainly vocally this album isn't anything spectacular in the genre, but it doesn't even matter because everything else is otherworldly
Highlights: Just listen to the album, there aren't any highlights it just works as a full record
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| 5.0 classic | pbass0 | March 17th 16 |
Has to be a 5. What an album!! Even the bonus track is cool
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| 4.5 superb | Britch2tiger | February 3rd 16 |
I am new to the hardcore spectrum so I'm treading light water here while taking a historical approach to understand how an album could be rated/regarded so highly. Being "one of" the first to do something is difficult AND to do well on the first attempt is a hefty feat, which is why sophomore albums are usually regarded as a band's better work from my experience. A little research and one could certainly cite at least 10 albums. In all that being said, I am hesitant to regard this album as a classic (yet) considering how this (90's) decade of hardcore was heavily influenced from the punk scene of the 80's. The 80s had a punk and (latent) hardcore scene that had far less abrasive vocals, as on this album. Personally I'm not a fan off the vocals but the instrumentations well make up for that minor aesthetic indifference.
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| 5.0 classic | Henry | January 8th 16 |
This record is essential for metalcore fans and near essential for heavy music fans in general.
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| 4.5 superb | mkamrass | July 9th 13 |
"We are the Romans" is an amazing album! Botch basically maintains the raw and heavy sound of metalcore all the way through the album and even throws in some unexpected parts also, particularly at the very end of the album ("Man the Ramparts" and after particularly). This is easily one of the best metalcore albums ever created.
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| 5.0 classic | TheThirdChildren | December 26th 12 |
A groundbreaking album where hardcore and extreme metal collide with bizarre time signatures, brutal breakdowns and ear-wrenching noise. A classic.
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| 0.0 | MichaelSnotballs | September 18th 12 |
ARE WE WE ARErARE WE WE ARE THE ROOOOOOOOMAAAAAAAANNNNSSSSSS
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| 0.0 | Panoptic | September 18th 12 |
Imagine being attacked by a billion bees - Now replace their hornets with genius guitar riffs - It's that good. Botch are the Romans indeed.
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| 4.5 superb | ChuckyTruant | June 18th 12 |
ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh I get this now. r
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| 5.0 classic | JokineAugustus | June 6th 12 |
This album has grown on me every listen. Definitely a solid metalcore album.
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| 5.0 classic | ForgiverForgetter | January 25th 12 |
This album made me think I loved metalcore for the longest time when there's maybe 5 metalcore bands that are consistently good. Anyway, this is the greatest metalcore release in history. As great as Jane Doe is, it really doesn't stand up against the controlled fury of this release.
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| 4.5 superb | Metamorphosis | December 17th 11 |
Innovation in one of its most gritty, intelligent forms. The doors to mathcore were opened up to me because of these guys and Converge and despite the age, this never really gets old.
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| 5.0 classic | MopHeadOvMetal | June 18th 11 |
@GhettoIndieshit Norma Jean apparently copied them and DEP.
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| 5.0 classic | alexhennigh | March 4th 11 |
It just goes without saying, they defined an entire genre, an entire generation of music. Go Botch!
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| 4.5 superb | Live | August 30th 10 |
I was on edge about this album. I found it hard to distinguish between the seemingly infinite walls of sound and the genuinely emotive hardcore passages (keep in mind I had listened to this many times, and tried to like it). But for some reason, when I heard the group singing in the song 'Man the Ramparts' I was geniunely moved. This album is indeed a classic.
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| 4.5 superb | canvasofdeath | July 12th 10 |
where would bands like Norma Jean be without bands like coalesce and botch? classic album.
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| 4.0 excellent | Progmaster85 | January 29th 10 |
Not really a classic, but an awesome mathcore album nonetheless. Kind of repetitive at times, but when being redundant isn't an issue, there are some golden moments on here.
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| 5.0 classic | faultandfracture | October 24th 07 |
This record influenced literally every band that plays metalcore. If it weren't for this record (let alone this band), there would be no pop-metalcore scene.
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| 4.5 superb | PacM4n | September 14th 11 |
| 3.0 good | cuki92 | September 6th 11 |
| 5.0 classic | r3ym0nd | August 28th 11 |
| 4.0 excellent | MudIdol | July 29th 11 |
| 4.0 excellent | Klichty | July 23rd 11 |
| 5.0 classic | Totes | July 20th 11 |
| 5.0 classic | Shukal | July 11th 11 |
| 4.5 superb | Seanny | June 1st 11 |
| 4.0 excellent | AdamK | May 30th 11 |
| 5.0 classic | boogs | May 27th 11 |
| 4.5 superb | Hawks | May 23rd 11 |
| 3.5 great | Cryio | May 9th 11 |
| 4.0 excellent | saucy | April 25th 11 |
| 4.0 excellent | ev0ken | April 20th 11 |
| 4.0 excellent | Raidho | April 16th 11 |
| 4.0 excellent | Corvus | April 14th 11 |
| 3.5 great | shev | April 13th 11 |
| 3.0 good | itchy | March 7th 11 |
| 4.5 superb | mfp | March 1st 11 |
| 4.0 excellent | Blaizend | February 25th 11 |
| 4.5 superb | Remer17 | February 23rd 11 |
| 4.0 excellent | Wakalord | February 13th 11 |
| 4.5 superb | Lakes2 | February 13th 11 |
| 4.0 excellent | wrecked | February 8th 11 |
| 4.0 excellent | G3N3R1C | February 3rd 11 |
| 3.5 great | MO | January 18th 11 |
| 5.0 classic | Fractal | January 14th 11 |
| 4.0 excellent | Rumulox | January 2nd 11 |
| 4.5 superb | rooby | January 2nd 11 |
| 4.5 superb | shively | December 24th 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | JamieCTA | December 21st 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | THIEF | December 19th 10 |
| 4.5 superb | TanMan | December 12th 10 |
| 4.5 superb | ACY | December 9th 10 |
| 4.5 superb | Opsonyn | December 7th 10 |
| 5.0 classic | coleba | November 29th 10 |
| 4.5 superb | Plank | November 23rd 10 |
| 4.5 superb | Torii | November 9th 10 |
| 4.5 superb | Spec | November 1st 10 |
| 4.5 superb | Manic_ | October 31st 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | Shadein | October 29th 10 |
| 5.0 classic | Curse. | October 23rd 10 |
| 3.5 great | Wael | October 22nd 10 |
| 5.0 classic | Jips | October 18th 10 |
| 5.0 classic | Thane | October 16th 10 |
| 4.5 superb | IN64 | September 25th 10 |
| 5.0 classic | Dev518 | September 21st 10 |
| 3.0 good | nyc87 | September 18th 10 |
| 4.5 superb | ti0n | September 7th 10 |
| 4.5 superb | DiceMan | September 3rd 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | TheMelm | September 2nd 10 |
| 4.5 superb | jmh886 | August 31st 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | DayMan | August 26th 10 |
| 4.5 superb | 76TVs | August 23rd 10 |
| 4.5 superb | Groink | August 19th 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | geng | August 15th 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | Veldin | August 7th 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | Ryce | August 7th 10 |
| 4.5 superb | chef | August 2nd 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | Wieland | July 28th 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | Padraga | July 26th 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | jazack | July 21st 10 |
| 4.5 superb | CutMan | July 20th 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | Xplisit | July 13th 10 |
| 5.0 classic | Oceans | June 30th 10 |
| 4.5 superb | Mevz | June 30th 10 |
| 3.5 great | BlueW | June 30th 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | Zwiebel | June 29th 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | Kleur | June 25th 10 |
| 4.5 superb | Cavs | June 21st 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | Ckubet | June 12th 10 |
| 4.5 superb | Scoot | May 24th 10 |
| 4.5 superb | focksy | April 30th 10 |
| 5.0 classic | JayVex | April 28th 10 |
| 4.5 superb | Naffa | April 13th 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | Valle | April 9th 10 |
| 4.5 superb | Bluue | April 7th 10 |
| 5.0 classic | Mazaru | March 25th 10 |
| 4.5 superb | Emim | March 12th 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | Aids | March 10th 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | Xzaeon | March 4th 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | ebay | February 5th 10 |
| 5.0 classic | cumverg | January 26th 10 |
| 4.0 excellent | JWT155 | January 10th 10 |
| 4.5 superb | pride | January 3rd 10 |
| 5.0 classic | Distile | December 15th 09 |
| 4.5 superb | shade | December 13th 09 |
| 4.5 superb | urrburr | December 13th 09 |
| 2.5 average | RedSky | November 27th 09 |
| 5.0 classic | Leica | November 16th 09 |
| 3.5 great | krazaln | November 11th 09 |
| 4.5 superb | mareep | November 10th 09 |
| 5.0 classic | Ragez | October 17th 09 |
| 4.0 excellent | Ricven | October 15th 09 |
| 4.0 excellent | awf170 | October 12th 09 |
| 4.0 excellent | DoOrDie | September 24th 09 |
| 4.5 superb | qwe3 | September 24th 09 |
| 3.5 great | shaitan | September 21st 09 |
| 5.0 classic | rannz | September 16th 09 |
| 4.5 superb | Robewho | September 10th 09 |
| 4.0 excellent | Amaya | September 9th 09 |
| 4.5 superb | Apoc | September 8th 09 |
| 4.5 superb | d00derz | September 8th 09 |
| 5.0 classic | Maes | September 7th 09 |
| 4.0 excellent | Oswig328 | September 1st 09 |
| 3.5 great | X3ni92 | August 14th 09 |
| 5.0 classic | Thor | August 5th 09 |
| 5.0 classic | Jamdbz | July 14th 09 |
| 4.0 excellent | Matte | July 8th 09 |
| 4.5 superb | Skub | June 25th 09 |
| 5.0 classic | 1zero | May 31st 09 |
| 3.0 good | Unapt | May 21st 09 |
| 4.5 superb | GBJ | May 14th 09 |
| 3.5 great | kitsch | April 20th 09 |
| 4.0 excellent | Danie | April 2nd 09 |
| 4.0 excellent | Puxel | March 26th 09 |
| 3.0 good | trm989 | March 21st 09 |
| 4.0 excellent | pettri | March 21st 09 |
| 5.0 classic | GibTG | March 3rd 09 |
| 5.0 classic | Zorn | December 28th 08 |
| 4.5 superb | TBliss | November 29th 08 |
| 4.0 excellent | Amputee | November 2nd 08 |
| 4.0 excellent | Bsmith7 | October 30th 08 |
| 5.0 classic | soma | October 29th 08 |
| 3.5 great | Skyler | October 3rd 08 |
| 5.0 classic | JAV | August 23rd 08 |
| 4.5 superb | Petsi | July 19th 08 |
| 4.5 superb | beans | July 8th 08 |
| 4.0 excellent | Msuen | June 13th 08 |
| 3.5 great | roofi | June 8th 08 |
| 4.5 superb | Smooz | May 21st 08 |
| 4.0 excellent | agktmte | April 13th 08 |
| 3.0 good | natey | March 15th 08 |
| 4.0 excellent | Essence | March 2nd 08 |
| 3.5 great | benhxc | February 27th 08 |
| 4.5 superb | Goku | February 21st 08 |
| 4.0 excellent | C.O.A. | February 16th 08 |
| 4.0 excellent | Kodan | February 6th 08 |
| 4.0 excellent | Robbert | January 31st 08 |
| 3.5 great | donovr | December 12th 07 |
| 3.5 great | Moraff | November 14th 07 |
| 4.0 excellent | CeeBone | November 1st 07 |
| 3.0 good | tuff | October 30th 07 |
| 4.0 excellent | tuk | October 6th 07 |
| 4.0 excellent | MeowMeow | September 19th 07 |
| 4.5 superb | zenny | August 29th 07 |
| 5.0 classic | Pizza | August 22nd 07 |
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