"I've been sexually assaulted before, and I have absolutely zero problems listening to music from scumbags who do such a thing."
well, some people do. let them vent

"doesn't mean that it taints the product he's created."
yes and no. when the appeal of an artist lies in a persona they project, and that persona end up being a facade for what happens to be a potentially terrible person, then yes it kinda does. if i found out that Phil Elverum actually murdered his wife, it would taint the new Mount Eerie album

Johnny is right on that. Not everyone copes or can deal with sexual assault like you have, you're not a culmination or representative of everyone who has experienced that. I know you were talking personally, but it still applies.

I'm not saying they can't vent and call him out for the scumbag that he is. I'm not saying any of them have to give this guy's music a chance. I'm just giving my perspective on this argument since it seems to be different from most of the other people in the thread.

I don't know the thing about Varg is is that as bad as murder is(and I guess on a technical level it is WORSE than sexual assault) people always take sexual assault really close to home. It's one of the reasons sexual assault cases always seem like more hot button topics than murder cases. idk that's just my perspective i guess but i feel pretty detached from Varg's murders the few times i've heard burzum songs

i absolutely agree with not getting too caught up in a musician's personality. but, i think it's in poor taste to make that argument here. sometimes people are justified in not separating the art from the artist. art is defined by critics. it doesn't exist in a vacuum. if you legitimately feel sick when listening to music created by a terrible person, then you're allowed to project that onto the art.

just like how i'm bound to rate music higher if it reminds me of things i like, even if the music isn't objectively all that great

The inherent reason why non-lethal sexual assault and abuse seems worse leaves a greater impact on the individual who experienced it is because they stay alive with the aftermath of the experience(s). But personally I see them both as equally deplorable crimes.

"i absolutely agree with not getting too caught up in a musician's personality. but, i think it's in poor taste to make that argument here. sometimes people are justified in not separating the art from the artist. art is defined by critics. it doesn't exist in a vacuum. if you legitimately feel sick when listening to music created by a terrible person, then you're allowed to project that onto the art."

I can agree with that, and can more than understand the justification for it. Personally it's just something I wouldn't do myself due to my own mindset. Then again, the women that sexually assaulted me doesn't make any music, and I've never listened to any female musicians who have been openly caught sexually assaulting others, so maybe my perspective isn't relevant here.

"I don't know the thing about Varg is is that as bad as murder is(and I guess on a technical level it is WORSE than sexual assault) people always take sexual assault really close to home. It's one of the reasons sexual assault cases always seem like more hot button topics than murder cases. idk that's just my perspective i guess but i feel pretty detached from Varg's murders the few times i've heard burzum songs"

Personally when I hear about sexual assaults, I'm more disgusted with them instead of murders so I understand that perspective. I was talking more about the technical standpoint that you mentioned.

"The inherent reason why non-lethal sexual assault and abuse seems worse leaves a greater impact on the individual who experienced it is because they stay alive with the aftermath of the experience(s). But personally I see them both as equally deplorable crimes."

Personally I view sexual assault as more deplorable on an emotional level for the reasons you just said, but on a technical level murder is worse. So I agree with you basically.

"The inherent reason why non-lethal sexual assault and abuse seems worse leaves a greater impact on the individual who experienced it is because they stay alive with the aftermath of the experience(s). But personally I see them both as equally deplorable crimes."

That and a majority of people have experienced sexuality or sexual urges of some kind, so you can understand from that perspective how it feels to be taken advantage of. Death is pretty detached in that sense even if you have family members who've died.

"That and a majority of people have experienced sexuality or sexual urges of some kind, so you can understand from that perspective how it feels to be taken advantage of. Death is pretty detached in that sense even if you have family members who've died."

I wouldn't say death is detached for that reason. I'd more or less argue it's detached because of the world we live in, violence is desensitized while sexuality is hypersensitized.

That too

I honestly don't know if I'm going to listen to this, for the reason that I don't feel that it's my place as a victim of sexual assualt to have an opinion on a specific release that's blatantly talking about / trying to seek redemption for sexually assaulting someone. I've never listened to an album with that perspective as far as I can remember.

Album Rating: 1.0

yeah make it about you snide

"yeah make it about you snide"
Apparently offering a perspective is consider making it about yourself now? That's a new one.

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Album Rating: 1.0

i love how after all this time if you call out snide on being self centered he still acts dumbfounded

Album Rating: 1.0

people huh

"It’s always difficult to approach an artist with a turbulent past such as Jake Mcelfresh. Although I won’t delve into it here, it’s hard to ignore all the events leading up to his ‘disappearance’ from the music scene, and his re-emergence with I Never Lover Before I Found You. Thus, I implore you to check out a fantastic video from Anthony Fantano about how bad people can make good music. If you take anything from this video, let it be the question he responds with; “Why do we care if entertainers are bad people?”. A performers role is to perform music, art, literature. So why should we judge a performer by their personality? But try as we might, it can be hard to look past this. However, Jake Mcelfresh, for all his past mistakes, has come back swinging, releasing an album that’s full of grit, melody, and heart. But is this something that shows through, or is the album just what we expect from indie-folk solo artists?"

its not a question of whether or not bad people can create good art for people who don't get behind dudes like this. its a question of whether or not you feel its ethical to support a piece of shit child molester. sure this could be great but theres a lot of music out there from people that deserve my money and my attention, this dude isn't one of them.