Album Rating: 2.0

"God forbid anyone be able to relate to this album and the colossal loss associated with it"



'god forbid anyone be able to receive neck-twinging cringe from listening to this album'



Those are equivalent statements. No one is trying to pry away someone else's enjoyment or resonation with the record. I thought it went without saying that people can enjoy whatever they want and that a criticism of something (especially a comment like "mountains of cringe", which I stand by) is an indication of how that thing is experienced by that specific person.





"Or to feel like it’s cringe to be dealing with the loss of your wife and the mother of your daughter in one of the ways you’ve always expressed yourself."



Speaking for myself only - never said anything about the subject matter is bad to me. It's the performance/delivery. I get it that calling something cringe-inducing, especially something so beloved by so many, may come across as a personal attack, grandstanding, or hyperbolic, but I can assure you it's just the individual listening experience of one person. Let's not try and interpret it in the least charitable way possible, pls.

Album Rating: 4.0

Men Eerie

Album Rating: 3.0

respect this but never wanna hear it again

Album Rating: 2.0

"respect this but never wanna hear it again"



preach

“Those are equivalent statements. No one is trying to pry away someone else's enjoyment or resonation with the record. I thought it went without saying that people can enjoy whatever they want and that a criticism of something (especially a comment like "mountains of cringe", which I stand by) is an indication of how that thing is experienced by that specific person. “

Never said that. Was being serious that hopefully nobody has to relate to the subject matter. Please don’t try to misinterpret what i said, if clarification is needed, then that’s fine.

Personally, your statement was cringier than anything from the album could be. You don’t have to like the album, i said that as well. You’ve misinterpreted quite a bit of what I’ve said, please ask for clarification if you and i aren’t seeing the same comments the same way.

Besides, coming from someone who makes emo music, i would think you’d be more understanding about an album where performance and delivery were likely the least important aspects to its creator. You can cringe, that’s fine. But your response to my comment feels a bit holier-than-thou. If I’m misunderstanding, then that’s fine.

I hate this album but calling it cringe is insanely cringe

“ respect this but never wanna hear it again"



preach”

Calling it cringe isn’t respecting it tho

Album Rating: 2.0

"Never said that. Was being serious that hopefully nobody has to relate to the subject matter. Please don’t try to misinterpret what i said, if clarification is needed, then that’s fine."

May have misunderstood you with the "god forbid anyone..." statement, as it sure does sound like you're using the subject matter, and how many may resonate with it, as a shield against someone thinking the record is bad. I may be wrong, but it seems like the point being made is, "you think the record is bad, and therefore are casting aspersions on those who would find solace or some sort of gravitation towards it". Correct me if I'm wrong.



..."I would think you’d be more understanding about an album where performance and delivery were likely the least important aspects to its creator"

Sure. But I don't get to be the creator making or listening to the creation, and because of that, I don't exactly care much what weighing the artist had on the importance of that facet - I don't like the delivery, and the artist want less of an emphasis paid to that doesn't really mean I am able to place less of an emphasis on it. Don't like it LOL.



All apologies for any holier-than-thou-ness, but you do actively accuse me of thinking that the subject matter is cringe-y. "Or to feel like it’s cringe to be dealing with the loss of your wife and the mother of your daughter in one of the ways you’ve always expressed yourself."

“May have misunderstood you with the "god forbid anyone..." statement, as it sure does sound like you're using the subject matter, and how many may resonate with it, as a shield against someone thinking the record is bad. I may be wrong, but it seems like the point being made is, "you think the record is bad, and therefore are casting aspersions on those who would find solace or some sort of gravitation towards it". Correct me if I'm wrong.”

Oh, i totally meant that in a “god forbid anyone have an experience like this” kind of way. Like, you can think the album’s bad, i was only, in a serious way as a husband, father, and person in general, expressing that i don’t want anyone to experience the kind of thing that makes this album relatable. It was in no way commenting on how your comment might reflect on anyone who likes the album, for any reason they do.

And i apologize for misunderstanding your initial comment. I don’t have a problem with you not liking the album, just the idea that the subject matter and the artist’s expressing it as somehow cringe for genuinely dealing with what would be one of the worst things i could imagine.

Sometimes you just don’t need to say certain things

Calling this cringe in any capacity is one of those times imo

i got over being “afraid” of this album and have seen the light. it’s good. ravens is up there with his best

“ Sometimes you just don’t need to say certain things

Calling this cringe in any capacity is one of those times imo”

I agree with this too. Like, anybody is technically free to describe how they want, just cringe doesn’t seem like a good way to go about it

Like bearing even a modicum of empathy should make one bite back those words

“ Like bearing even a modicum of empathy should make one bite back those words”

That’s what I’m thinking too and why my initial response was what it was. Especially because there really isn’t anything to gain by making the comment like that to begin with

Album Rating: 2.0

I have plenty empathy, and plenty respect, for the artist and record. I think the subject matter is harrowing and troubling and the ability to make a piece of music about said matter is admirable and assuredly not easy. I don't like the sound of the music, though. It makes me writhe sometimes. The vocal delivery is genuinely unbearable to me for a very large chunk of the record.

To the point about "not adding anything" - I guess...(?). I'm just adding another opinion/perspective, much like anyone else.

his vocal delivery is basically the same as it is on everything he’s ever done, to me that is one of the darkest things about it. u just don’t like phil

Album Rating: 2.0

Yeah I don’t like his vocals very much at all. Have never listened to any other bits of his/their discography - can’t imagine it would be my thing, though.



I can imagine many reasonably saying the same things I said about plenty of other artists with polarizing vocal delivery. La Dispute, for example, or really any of the talk-y darling-core groups, likely have many folks who can’t help but recoil upon listening. I’m sure the proclivity to do so is hyper-individualized, which is why you get such disparate opinions about stuff like that. I’m just another opinion in that sea of folks listening and pontificating…

yea just like someone saying you calling something cringe is their opinion and (by your standards) just as meaningless :D

when this came out i felt very “this wasn’t meant to be heard” for years rly and then in grievous eras that have happened since it sorta dawned on me that it makes so much sense that someone going thru intense grief could feel like an album is as crushing as they feel crushed

Album Rating: 4.0

don't revisit this album a whole lot but there's a specific time of year, usually in autumn, where i peruse it here and there