Saccharine Trust
Surviving You, Always


3.5
great

Review

by pixiesfanyo USER (118 Reviews)
December 31st, 2006 | 16 replies


Release Date: 1983 | Tracklist

Review Summary: Original hardcore from an SST legend.

'80s hardcore got old quick. If you consider the scene breaking with the popularity of Black Flag in 1981, by 1983 with the demise of Minor Threat, you were simply left with a group of teenagers copying each other. Not to mention that at this point you had Greg Ginn's SST basically signing template bands to his label when it came to new hardcore. Basically, the scene was in shambles and if you were looking for intelligent, musically provoking bands you had to look towards groups such as Husker Du and The Replacements, who were taking ideas from hardcore but making the music much more accessible. Saccharine Trust was a diamond in the rough combining a Fear-like rhythm section with the "jazz" influenced playing of later Black Flag. Saccharine Trust wasn't about sticking to a template, they were about advancing it.

"Surviving You Always" is a dizzying experience. Instead of following the typical two-step approach of most of the hardcore in their day, Saccharine Trust was into being varied in the delivery of aggression. While at times it works wonderfully (Opener "The Giver Takes" and "The House, The System, The Concrete"), sometimes it feels like Saccharine Trust is just trying to fuck with their audience ("Remnants"). Still, the bands' unique approach to making hardcore that is basically the equivalent of "free jazz" to "jazz" is incredibly original, especially for their time. While bands like the Minutemen were certainly incorporating technicality into their music, Saccharine Trust was just on a whole 'nother plain. Like most "free jazz" groups though, Saccharine Trust falls into the pitfall of sounding too similar at times, which really makes "Surviving You Always" suffer. Thankfully, the band is at least somewhat aware of this flaw and throws in songs like the cover of the Doors' "Peace Frog", and "The Cat Cracker" which features some excellent saxophone playing.

All in all, "Surviving You Always" is an excellent example of forward-thinking hardcore. While it is rough around the edges, it will certainly be a fan to any fan of hardcore and probably be a good transistor from a jazz fan into the genre. Saccharine Trust attempted to do something different in a genre where fitting a template is usually the norm, and in so created music that is certainly influential as well as timeless.



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Neoteric
December 31st 2006


3243 Comments


Cool


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Eliminator
January 1st 2007


2067 Comments


Good album.


Cygnatti
April 25th 2013


36145 Comments


agreed good stuff here

YankeeDudel
April 25th 2013


9342 Comments


a freed big muff here

foxblood
April 25th 2013


11263 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

didn't know this had a review, band is good

ApplicationToHeaven
April 25th 2013


1566 Comments


paganicons is so much better than everything else in their discog though imo

demigod!
April 25th 2013


49631 Comments


this sounds good

foxblood
April 25th 2013


11263 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

the last track on paganicons transcends agreed

Cygnatti
April 25th 2013


36145 Comments


The ep is best yes.

BMDrummer
August 6th 2015


15165 Comments


jazz punx

SteakByrnes
January 15th 2021


30454 Comments


Commenting so I remember to check this

SailorMars
January 15th 2021


45 Comments


this album is so cool

Casavir
June 24th 2021


5653 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

The fact that this isn't as well-regarded as My War is hilarious.

parksungjoon
March 24th 2022


47231 Comments


lame ass ratings for this

Casavir
March 24th 2022


5653 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

lame ass ratings for this [2]

GhandhiLion
November 27th 2022


17678 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Plebs successfully weeded 😎



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