savagecabbage: Questions From My Quest

gosk8n 04.04.13	Do you really want answers?
YoYoMancuso 04.04.13	i skimmed most of this but for 21 Jesus Christ is an actual documented person, I learned that in 8th grade history
VisceralUproar 04.04.13	People literally write a thesis paper for philosophy or theology degrees on a single question from this list. You should start there because honestly any discussion here is going to be incomplete.
MO 04.04.13	ugh enough of these fucking lists
Hyperion1001 04.04.13	god sux satan rulz
Trebor. 04.04.13	The answer to most of these is it's made up bullshit so yeah
Trebor. 04.04.13	18 has been proven all ready bro Whatever came before the chicken laid an egg that was a chicken inside
Trebor. 04.04.13	And yeah Jesus was probably a real guy, but he was just a guy
pissbore 04.04.13	listen to grotesque u will find all the answers u need
Trebor. 04.04.13	Wait, what about dinosaurs? They existed and then most went extinct 65 million years ago Birds are dinosaurs btw
Trebor. 04.04.13	"Why were so many christians slaughtered years after the crucifixion?" This happened in Japan because the country was strictly isolationist (you'd probably be put to death just from being from Europe, let alone christian)
Trebor. 04.04.13	"WHy does the Bible condone slavery and misogyny?" Because they were common when it was written
savagecabbage 04.04.13	thank you, Trebor17
Trebor. 04.04.13	"Jesus dying for our sins doesn't technically count because we still have to share in the suffering of christ?" I'm not a christian, but I think this means that everyone that came before Jesus went to heaven even if they sinned cuz he like died for their sins, but like if you're born after he died you have to take responsibility for your sins Cuz like how the fuck were cavemen supposed to know what God wanted them to do without a prophet ya know
Trebor. 04.04.13	"Why so many contradictions in the Bible?" The bible was written by many different people over a period of time, and certain things were taken out or revised over the years. Plus it was translated over and over again and shit like virginity got mistranslated cuz that shit used to just mean a young woman or some shit like that
Trebor. 04.04.13	"Why was the tree in the garden to begin with? How could God Almighty allow a snake past his guard?" He put it there to test their faith
Trebor. 04.04.13	"Why would an omniscient God create us?" Theoretically an omnipotent being would not create something like us. Also it would not be a he like most people refer to god as he but that's retarded
Trebor. 04.04.13	"How could a God of love create an eternal hell for us to burn in?" This is some new testament shit, they were struggling to get followers so they basically told people if you don't follow our religion you'll suffer for eternity or whatever and hey it worked
Deathconscious 04.04.13	goddammit, did you have to make this list?
Trebor. 04.04.13	"Why haven't any of us ever witnessed a miracle?" Probably because there's no such thing, but even if there were miracles, by definition they're super super rare so only a few people in the world would see one
auberginedreams 04.04.13	"I'm not a christian, but I think this means that everyone that came before Jesus went to heaven even if they sinned cuz he like died for their sins, but like if you're born after he died you have to take responsibility for your sins Cuz like how the fuck were cavemen supposed to know what God wanted them to do without a prophet ya know" there were prophets before jesus. like moses for example.
oltnabrick 04.04.13	#TYBG LEGENDARY
Trebor. 04.04.13	"Why are christians so quick to condemn everyone?" Cuz the bible tells them to "People of faith treating homosexuals like shit?" ^^^
savagecabbage 04.04.13	Elijah, Elisha, Daniel...
Trebor. 04.04.13	"there were prophets before jesus. like moses for example." yeah but that was way after humans came about, plus christians don't believe in other prophets except maybe moses
gosk8n 04.04.13	I'll answer 3 since im in the mood God does not punish people in hell. Hence the word Sheol used in a scripture such as Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10 “For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, . . . for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.” So does Sheol sound like a place of eternal suffering? If you pay attention to the context this word was used to symbolize a massive grave. The modern view of this Sheol (or hell) comes from Greek philosophy in which the church mixed the idea of torment and hellfire to define Sheol, which is used in the wrong sense. Human philosophy and the word of god is best not to be mixed.
savagecabbage 04.04.13	Trebor if I lived near you I would pay you money to go to church with me. I haven't been to church in about 5 years but I think it would be an awesome time.
Trebor. 04.04.13	"God doesn't exist in Hell, but somehow God is everywhere?" Hell is basically a cheap knock off of Hades from the Greek religion and idk God just doesn't like to go there, he could if he wanted to I guess
Trebor. 04.04.13	I've never been in a church and I don't plan on it
auberginedreams 04.04.13	"christians don't believe in other prophets except maybe moses" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_of_Christianity
savagecabbage 04.04.13	We could get wasted and jam Pixies and go to church. Afterward we could go to Wafflehouse.
Pestiferous 04.04.13	dis gon be good 1. all part of his plan 2. we were created to worship him 3. he didn't create hell for us, he created it for Satan after he rebelled against god in heaven, and those who turn from god are then taken by satan m////// 4. jesus was perfect, but if you're referring to how man was created in god's image, then im not sure how to word the explanation :/ 5. the snake (satan) was a test to see if man really was obedient to god. Eve obviously strayed off the path, and condemned man to sin forever. 6. Jesus died for our sins as an act of the new convenant, stating that all of our sins are already forgiven, and we don't all have to burn in hell for eternity. That's not to say the wages of sin isn't death anymore, but he took the beating for us essentially 7. like? 8. god works in different ways since the new covenant 9. no doubt that things were different back then 10. REAL christians dont judge anyone 11. prayer is a personal conversation between you and the lord, whereas gossip is spreading rumors (mainly negative ones) with other people of this world, and often causes emotional harm to others 12. many people use jesus as a scapegoat for their wrongdoings, but are really just picking parts of the biblical history that they want to know and belive and think it's all good 13. again, not enough knowledge of the bible 14. irrelevant, they had no bearing to god whatsoever, henceforth they are not mentioned in the bible. they just......existed and died, never worshipped or knew 15. refer to 10's answer 16. god knew all along what judas was going to do, refer to 1's answer 17. hell is defined as a place where god is absent, the realm of hell m/// was created exclusively for satanand was a place where god could banish all who revolted against him, it was never meant for man, but y'know, atheists... 18. chicken, god raised adam out of the dust of the earth 19. jesus moved it when he arose from the dead you monglicka 20. eeeeeeeeeeeegypt 21. yoyo's answer for the first half, and some support the ressurection because they truly believe that happened 22. idk
Trebor. 04.04.13	Hey I meant major ones, still none of those guys were around until a couple thousand years ago if they ever existed
Trebor. 04.04.13	^ Are you implying that god and jesus are the same person cuz that don't make no sense
Trebor. 04.04.13	"18. chicken, god raised adam out of the dust of the earth" lol what the fuck does that have to do with chickens adam came from our hominid ancestors bitch
Pestiferous 04.04.13	they are the same person. i believe the chicken thing is a metaphor....aaahhh i will make many enemies tonight :DDDDDD
talesfromthevagina 04.04.13	am I the only one that thinks religion is a thing of the past?
Trebor. 04.04.13	I thought he's the son of god And how the fuck can he be in two places at the same time, that sounds like a bad sitcom
Deathconscious 04.04.13	@pefisterous lol. i am trying so hard not to get into this.
Trebor. 04.04.13	Proof against everything you believe btw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_genome_project
savagecabbage 04.04.13	Asking that question when you speak tales from the vagina
Pestiferous 04.04.13	"And how the fuck can he be in two places at the same time" bro do you even bible @adolf hey don't blame me, i happen to a be a born and raised member of the christian faith and this is what i live for.
auberginedreams 04.04.13	all of the old testament prophets were around more than 2,000 years ago.
Deathconscious 04.04.13	the bible has too many plot holes to even be a complete novel, how could it have any insight on reality?
Pestiferous 04.04.13	well it was written (by man) over the course of hundreds of thousands of years. i think any book written like that would be a little short of absolute coherence, not to mention it wasn't origininally written in english, and there have many hundreds of translations, tweaking the message around quite a lot
auberginedreams 04.04.13	"I thought he's the son of god And how the fuck can he be in two places at the same time, that sounds like a bad sitcom" he's called the son of god but technically he's god in human form. i know it's confusing.
Trebor. 04.04.13	"all of the old testament prophets were around more than 2,000 years ago." OK well that's still a small fraction of the time humans have been around
Trebor. 04.04.13	"over the course of hundreds of thousands of years" lol wut, don't you guys believe the Earth is 6000 years old? Plus the bible was written after Jesus died and that was like 2000 years ago
auberginedreams 04.04.13	"lol wut, don't you guys believe the Earth is 6000 years old? Plus the bible was written after Jesus died and that was like 2000 years ago" literally like almost no christians believe this. there is one denomination that does and for some reason now there is a misconception that all christians believe this when 99% of them thinks it's billions of years old just like everybody else. ask any priest and i guarantee you they'd tell you the same thing.
Pestiferous 04.04.13	no i believe the the 4 1/2 billion years old, and was formed by what many call "the big bang theory". people fail to realize that god has been around since the beginning of forever and jsut because the bible was put together only a couple thousand years ago doesn't mean the earth and humanity aren't too much older. i believe the scientific recordings of ancient fossils, and evolution and all that stuff that people use to disprove christianity all came as a result of god, the bible only explains the interaction between humanity and god, because dinosaurs and such had no relationship
savagecabbage 04.04.13	so that's a no on the wafflehouse
Trebor. 04.04.13	Yeah but as a christian you have to deny most science, so like how the fuck do they accept that fact? Plus if you believe the universe is billions of years old then why would you believe god created humans cuz like that means he was doing fuck all for billions of years and then decided to make humans millions of years ago like what the fuck
auberginedreams 04.04.13	a lot of the stories in the bible (especially a lot of the parts in the old testament like the whole "earth was made in seven days" part) are considered allegoric by most christians.
Trebor. 04.04.13	"4 1/2 billion years old" There are stars way farther than that bro, I think the estimate right now is between 8-13 I don't remember
someguest 04.04.13	Quit taking shit for face value you ignoramus.
auberginedreams 04.04.13	"Yeah but as a christian you have to deny most science, so like how the fuck do they accept that fact?" not true at all, you have a lot of ridiculous misconceptions about christianity, although i admit they are common ones. most christians believe in evolution and other scientific laws/theories. they just believe that they were god's plan.
Pestiferous 04.04.13	"Plus if you believe the universe is billions of years old then why would you believe god created humans cuz like that means he was doing fuck all for billions of years " god has been around forever...humans have not, which means that this must be true
someguest 04.04.13	Trebor never leaves his room. His opinions have zero weight to them.
Trebor. 04.04.13	"most christians believe in evolution " dude I think like not even half of americans in general believe in evolution Christians in canada and europe and what not probably do though but idk I'll take your word for it I think America is just bad at science in general
Trebor. 04.04.13	"god has been around forever...humans have not, which means that this must be true" lol wut, I think you're implying there's proof that god exists and that it created the universe
someguest 04.04.13	The Internet tells me what's trendy to believe. Then I spread the word further into the deep web.
Pestiferous 04.04.13	besides, it's not like god has been doing "fuck all" for forever.....he created the damn universe lol, idk if you've noticed but the universe goes on further than the milky way
savagecabbage 04.04.13	cosmological fine tuning, bro
Trebor. 04.04.13	"idk if you've noticed but the universe goes on further than the milky way" holy shit dude I never knew that, oh soo galaxy goes inside the universe damn you just blew my mind like wow
someguest 04.04.13	You know you can get a haircut for like ten bucks, right?
Trebor. 04.04.13	Plus why would god create such a vast universe and then decide to only put its creations on Earth? That's like getting a canvas the size of an entire wall and then drawing a microscopic picture in the bottom right corner People would be like "why not use a much smaller piece of canvas?"
Pestiferous 04.04.13	well you seem to be under the impression that the universe has always just been there but it hasn't god has always been there, and he created every star and beyond that you see in the night sky
Trebor. 04.04.13	Yeah and Bigfoot's my uncle
Pestiferous 04.04.13	"That's like getting a canvas the size of an entire wall and then drawing a microscopic picture in the bottom right corner People would be like "why not use a much smaller piece of canvas?"" see, now you're comparing god to man, and that is the most useless thing you could possibly do
someguest 04.04.13	Well that would explain your hairy ass.
Trebor. 04.04.13	"Well that would explain your hairy ass." He's not my biological uncle though, he married my mom's sister
savagecabbage 04.04.13	cosmological fine tuning
Cygnatti 04.04.13	"The bible was written by many different people over a period of time, and certain things were taken out or revised over the years. Plus it was translated over and over again and shit like virginity got mistranslated cuz that shit used to just mean a young woman or some shit like that" Yep.
Deathconscious 04.04.13	some evidence for gods existence would work wonders in convincing me.
someguest 04.04.13	It looks like we have another mystery of the universe to solve then. I'll get working on it right after we solve black holes that aren't located on your mother.
Keyblade 04.04.13	"listen to grotesque u will find all the answers u need" lol ilu piss
Trebor. 04.04.13	But Adolf, you can't prove God doesn't exist, which means he exists
auberginedreams 04.04.13	athiests and christians (or followers of any religion for that matter) trying to convince each other that their beliefs are right is seriously the stupidest thing you could ever waste your time doing. because god is a spiritual entity there's no way to prove or disprove his existence, so just believe in it if you want or don't if you don't want to.
Pestiferous 04.04.13	"some evidence for gods existence would work wonders in convincing me." if you actually sat down and put yourself in a state of mind where you are going to commit yourself to god, you will see a plethora of positive changes in your life
auberginedreams 04.04.13	"if you actually sat down and put yourself in a state of mind where you are going to commit yourself to god, you will see a plethora of positive changes in your life" alright i consider myself christian but this kind of stuff is kind of lolworthy even to me.
Pestiferous 04.04.13	now of course, life will most certainly still have its down times, and you may wonder "pff, a loving god wouldn't do this to me, which means he can't possibly exist", but that's exactly what satan m//// wants you to think. god does these things in life to really test someone if they're really committed to god
auberginedreams 04.04.13	you're losing me.
someguest 04.04.13	"if you actually sat down and put yourself in a state of mind where you are going to commit yourself to god, you will see a plethora of positive changes in your life" It's called "meditating" and it has nothing to do with religion or the supernatural.
Deathconscious 04.04.13	im an atheist who was a christian from as long as i could understand the concept to 17, so i know what its like on both sides and let me tell you, if anything, its a lot more fulfilling and free being a sinner m/ also, denmark is one of the happiest places in the world and theyre also one of the most atheistic, so we obviously dont need religion to be happy, soiceties are fine without it.
someguest 04.04.13	People who don't see their lives in a constant negative light are happier Adolf? Go figure.
Pestiferous 04.04.13	ok yeah idk where i was going with that, im just messing around at this point. i just personally believe god is real, it's just....me
savagecabbage 04.04.13	if there were no God there would be no atheists
gosk8n 04.04.13	god is cool
someguest 04.04.13	If you believe in the laws of energy then yes "God" is real because your cries are going somewhere. Most likely into the air and outward until they dissipate into nothing.
Cygnatti 04.04.13	Why would a perfect and omniscient God need to create humans? Was he/it bored, lonely? That's not really perfect. Why does a perfect God purposefully make people imperfect? Why did God need to make people to worship him? To feel better about himself?
Ovrot 04.04.13	Oh an egg comes out of a chicken Oh a chick comes out of an egg Oh an egg comes out of a chicken Oh a chick comes out of an egg Oh an egg comes out of a chicken Oh a chick comes out of an egg Oh an egg comes out of a chicken Oh a chick comes out of an egg
someguest 04.04.13	The way I see it, the only reason any of you exist is to entertain me at this specific moment in time. Welcome to your purpose.
SgtPepper 04.04.13	@Pesti I don't know why it has become a trend to 'bash' Christianity, but I think it's a beautiful notion at its essence. People still use religion to give them a moral compass, while others seek religion as to comfort them in a time of fear and confusion, and in a way, it has done much good for humanity in that sense. It's nice to believe that 'someone' is always at your side and there for you when you need them. I myself am an atheist, and do not believe in god(s) but it is an intriguing notion to me, and I respect it. I had no idea you were religious. If that brings some peace into your life, good for you
Cygnatti 04.04.13	"Welcome to your purpose." It's a better purpose than having to worship something that isn't there.
gosk8n 04.04.13	"Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld." I love the bible
Deathconscious 04.04.13	so once again i tell myself im not going to get involved in another internet disscussion about religion yet here i am. fuck me.
pissbore 04.04.13	"Why haven't any of us ever witnessed a miracle?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-agl0pOQfs
gosk8n 04.04.13	"Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Trebor. 04.04.13	"athiests and christians (or followers of any religion for that matter) trying to convince each other that their beliefs are right" atheists don't have beliefs ya dingus. Facts are not beliefs, a belief is an assertion with no proof
gosk8n 04.04.13	pissbore. that video restores my faith in god
evilford 04.04.13	The answer to all of your questions is power and control. Deities don't exist. The end
Pestiferous 04.04.13	@Paper I am a christian specifically because i was raised that way, I am at an age though now, where if I wanted, I could change my beliefs, but I simply choose not to. I do not condemn anybody for not believing in god, but is hard for me to explain to people like that why I don't mind. The way I see it, god gave everybody a choice to be what they wanted, but an atheist wouldn't believe/understand that, which is one of the many reasons why the two sides can't seem to coerse peacefully
Trebor. 04.04.13	You were indoctrinated with your beliefs at a young age duh, how do you not see past that shit?
gosk8n 04.04.13	im hungry
someguest 04.04.13	Why would God put hair in our buttholes? Rules out any chance of a deity existing in my opinion.
foxblood 04.04.13	Dinosaurs?
gosk8n 04.04.13	a burger and a sweet tea doesnt sound too bad right now
DarkSideOfLucca 04.04.13	I for one, totally dig this list.
gosk8n 04.04.13	hhmmmmm whats open at this time?
evilford 04.04.13	Oh, ass hairs? God put them there to test our faith.
evilford 04.04.13	It seemed so plausible
gosk8n 04.04.13	Oh sanp! there's burritos in the fridge. i guess i'll help myself to one of those
Trebor. 04.04.13	I believed in god until I was 8 but it's never too late to stop assuming because we all know assuming makes an ass out of you and me
someguest 04.04.13	He may have put them there to test the faith of the Catholic priests as their slam their chodes in and out of them.
Pestiferous 04.04.13	you know what treb you're right. let's face it, if it weren't for my parents, i'd probably have no clue who jesus is, or what anybody in this thread is talking about
Trebor. 04.04.13	Nah everybody knows who jesus is dude, like atheists and muslims and jews and Buddhists and hundis (?) we just think he was a swell but normal dude
evilford 04.04.13	Flying lizards? You're a moron! God was fucking with you!
gosk8n 04.04.13	I need to listen to 13 more. Road is such a good song
someguest 04.04.13	If it wasn't for your parents you wouldn't have any thoughts at all, because they had to fuck for you to be here.
gosk8n 04.04.13	5 is essential
Trebor. 04.04.13	You ever just sit and think, wow my family line has survived since we were fuckin fish and shit even before that like wow I'm a fucking survivor
sideburndude 04.04.13	SWAG
gosk8n 04.04.13	this is a damn good list of albums
SgtPepper 04.04.13	@Pesti I, myself, am an atheist. I see the idea of 'god(s)' as an outdated source for virtues and a sense of security. I believe that one should only embrace 'facts', not 'theories' (because that's all religion really is). That's my opinion and why I dont see religion as a necessity in my life, but I do respect and support others who are religious. It gives them hope and guides them through life. I've come across a lot of people of different religions who claim their god(s) have performed miracles in their lives, and have even witnessed them. Whether that's true is all up for a debate. But really, no one knows whether god(s) actually exist. We don't have evidence of his presence, just as we don't have evidence of his absence. It comes down to exactly what you said, 'faith'. And if you feel as though your God brings positivity into your world, then by all means, believe. I think religion is a wonderful thing if you have sincere faith in it and use it to live peacefully.
gosk8n 04.04.13	haven't listened to 15 yet gonna change that now
Trebor. 04.04.13	They don't believe in god in Star Trek times anymore and that's the kind of future we should be striving for
someguest 04.04.13	Trebor's right. There are no gods in the future, just gay androids.
savagecabbage 04.04.13	space may be the final frontier but it's made in a hollywood basement
CK 04.04.13	I feel like George Carlin asked these all ages ago haha
atokad432 04.04.13	#TWHYBG
someguest 04.04.13	George Carlin and everybody else that ever lived before now.
Pestiferous 04.04.13	@Paper faith, is really all that christians are. "In the beginning, God" is really all we need. After that it's up to each person. I chose to live a life where I could do what I wanted to do, and just be cool with everyone. Simple as that. I have never tried to turn anyone's beliefs around. At the most, all i've done with regards to my religion, is explain to people who disagree with it my personal stand point
SgtPepper 04.04.13	@Pesti "I chose to live a life where I could do what I wanted to do, and just be cool with everyone. Simple as that." - That's a very good outlook. I try to live that way myself.
pissbore 04.04.13	fuckin magnets, how do they work?
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.04.13	Sixth form questions, or freshman college questions. Chill out.
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.04.13	But in all seriousness, as an Atheist, those questions answer themselves. God was made by human beings and human beings are flawed, hence the contradictions. I do, however, believe that a bloke called Jesus did exist, who was just a normal person, just unrealistically loving.
savagecabbage 04.04.13	"Sixth form questions, or freshman college questions." "People literally write a thesis paper for philosophy or theology degrees on a single question from this list. You should start there because honestly any discussion here is going to be incomplete."
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.04.13	Dude, I was kidding...hence the 'in all seriousness...'
savagecabbage 04.04.13	my bad man. My stance right now is I don't care what you believe as long as you're good people. I'd hang with a cool atheist over a christian douchebag anyday and vice versa
ButteryBiscuitBass 04.04.13	I actually despise Athiests, like Ricky Gervais, who try to make Christians feel stupid, or inferior. The most attractive thing about religion is faith. If you're on your death bed and truly believe that you are going to heaven, then you will die happy. The alternative is dying knowing (in your mind) that that's it.
Funeralopolis 04.04.13	look at all this thread i missed
CK 01.14.14	What did you think you'd get posting this on sputnik, seriously
chemicalmarriage 10.03.15	good thread