mandan
03.21.14 | Which albums do you think fit this category? |
RivalSkoomaDealer
03.21.14 | Agree with all of these for sure.
I'd add Rush - 2112 and Tool - Aenima
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NordicMindset
03.21.14 | Areed |
menawati
03.21.14 | bowie berlin stuff/low |
SirDrumsalot
03.21.14 | Agreed with br1nk.
But also add Dirt - AIC. |
conesmoke
03.21.14 | Operation Mindcrime is life. |
menawati
03.21.14 | not talking heads bcos they copied Can, in before someone says a talking heads album |
jefflebowski
03.21.14 | yeah, any of the trio of classic can albums demand to be on this |
BMDrummer
03.21.14 | Mr. Bungle- S/T, Disco Volante, and California. |
ArsMoriendi
03.21.14 | The lack of Frank Zappa on here is ridiculous. Freak Out!, from 1966, had so many political and controversial topics... |
menawati
03.21.14 | i dont think he meant it to be comprehensive just a few picks and open for shout outs |
mandan
03.21.14 | ^exactly. |
menawati
03.21.14 | but yes some zappa for sure and i'd say beefheart too but many can't stand him haha |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.21.14 | fucking lol at 5 so hard |
ArsMoriendi
03.21.14 | I'm not going to lie... Master of Reality isn't too much a deviation from Paranoid so ahead of its time isn't really an accurate description, maybe Black Sabbath's s/t is...
Queens of the Stone Age kind of fit perfectly in the early 2000s...
I don't like Metallica, but at least it fits the list description. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.21.14 | honestly i dont feel that any of these were ahead of their time |
CoolCalmJoe
03.21.14 | are you saying QotSA makes challenging music? |
mandan
03.21.14 | ^^got any better suggestions? |
menawati
03.21.14 | 2 was pretty seminal tho wasnt it ? |
mandan
03.21.14 | @CCJ: yeah, I guess I am. Feel free to disagree though |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.21.14 | "^^got any better suggestions?"
not 'better' because this is your opinion and thats fine but yeah there are bands i think were much more ahead of their time like zappa and cromagnon |
CoolCalmJoe
03.21.14 | I disagree amicably. Probably have different definitions of challenging though. |
menawati
03.21.14 | and beefheart (i know you hate him haha) |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.21.14 | yeah there is nothing challenging about qotsa |
InbredJed
03.21.14 | Melvins
Faith No More
Killing Joke
Gary Numan
Joy Division
The Yardbirds
Genghis Tron
The Dillinger Escape Plan
Meshuggah
Tom Waits
Motorhead
Lou Reed/The Velvet Underground
Sonic Youth |
InbredJed
03.21.14 | Godflesh |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.21.14 | jed i love you but genghis tron, dillinger, meshuggah, motorhead
nope nope nope |
mandan
03.21.14 | Interesting mentions Inbred. I def can get behind Melvins and DEP fitting that category. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.21.14 | melvins yes dep hell no wtf they just took metalcore and brought more technicality |
menawati
03.21.14 | hmm MC5 |
RiffOClock
03.21.14 | i think la dispute are currently taking things to a whole new level so
la dispute
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NightProwler
03.21.14 | Synthesizers on "Who's Next" by the Who were a goddamn revelation |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.21.14 | lol |
ArsMoriendi
03.21.14 | Frank Zappa
Captain Beefheart
David Bowie because of the Berlin Trilogy
Faith No More [2] |
mandan
03.21.14 | Not too sure about FNM, although I've only heard one album so I can't say much.
Also I haven't properly gotten into Bowie tbh. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.21.14 | fnm fits well for this, my only issue is that i think they are awful lol
but deffs ahead of their time |
Rowan5215
03.21.14 | Faith No More [2] dude danny you need to hear more |
Rowan5215
03.21.14 | Potsy that hurts me |
mandan
03.21.14 | Most people seem to revere Angel Dust, so I'll see if I can jam that one at some point. |
menawati
03.21.14 | erm maybe Patti Smith/Horses and also the Kinks stuff where they went all crunchy riff style |
Rowan5215
03.21.14 | Angel Dust and KFAD...FFAL are the best albums ever danny |
mandan
03.21.14 | Thanks Rowan, will check. |
conesmoke
03.21.14 | Angel dust is awesome. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.21.14 | "Potsy that hurts me"
dude i just do not jive with the faith no more. also as much as i (SELECTIVELY AS FUCK) love patton for a number of reasons, he can be one obnoxious mother fucker |
Rowan5215
03.21.14 | If you're talking about personality-wise then yeah obnoxious is a fair judgement but I've never heard a singer who can do what he can do. Anyway FNM isn't just about Patton, they also have amazing bass and keys |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.21.14 | no im talking about his voice. and yeah he is unique as fuck and can do things others cant but that doesn't mean its not often obnoxious.
"Anyway FNM isn't just about Patton, they also have amazing bass and keys"
not saying it is im just saying that i dont like their music and mike patton doesnt save it haha |
Rowan5215
03.21.14 | Fair enough I guess
you dig Bungle? |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.21.14 | lol not really tbh |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.21.14 | i mean some of their songs are ok and i have respect for the group but again, a lot of their music sounds like crap to me haha
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Rowan5215
03.21.14 | Ah that's a damn shame but you can't deny at least that those fuckers were ahead of their time in a major way |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.21.14 | @rowan i do not deny |
zakalwe
03.21.14 | Cool.
Missing the ultimate though dude.
DSOTM |
Rowan5215
03.21.14 | ^^^^ |
InbredJed
03.21.14 | "jed i love you but genghis tron, dillinger, meshuggah, motorhead
nope nope nope"
k,
-DEP I was talking pre-Greg, with Chris Pennie drumming. It was more than technical, it was avant-jazz. Also, they had more of a punk edge than a metal sound in the early days. I think of it as a mix of Fugazi/Zappa/Slayer.
-Meshuggah...... dude have you heard DEI?
-Motorhead invented double kick.
-Genghis Tron is a leap, granted, but I believe they struck out in a vein that will be further explored in the years to come. I could be wrong, but Electro-trip-hop/House/Death-grind isn't something I've ever heard before.
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InbredJed
03.21.14 | As for FNM, I will refer you to my reviews, once they have been completed, maybe I can put things in a different light for you. |
tempest--
03.21.14 | bowie yea |
rockandmetaljunkie
03.22.14 | Jimi Hendrix doesn't fit your criteria ? |
mandan
03.22.14 | This was a random list junkie but I suppose his work deserves consideration.
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Hovse
03.22.14 | Bathory |
TheNotrap
03.22.14 | Nice picks.
Maiden and Slayer debuts were also pretty impressive.
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Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.22.14 | @jed
"It was more than technical, it was avant-jazz"
avant-jazz? thats a stretch and there were artists long before dep doing avant-jazz stuff anyway
"-Motorhead invented double kick."
the double kick was invented before motorhead was even a band
"-Meshuggah...... dude have you heard DEI?"
yes
"-Genghis Tron is a leap, granted, but I believe they struck out in a vein that will be further explored in the years to come. I could be wrong, but Electro-trip-hop/House/Death-grind isn't something I've ever heard before."
but combining a bunch of already existent genres isn't necessarily ahead of its time. at least in the 2000's, basically all bands mash genres
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TheNotrap
03.22.14 | "the double kick was invented before motorhead was even a band"
Yep, in the 60's. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.22.14 | there were people making home made double kicks as far back as the early 1900's too. manufactured double kicks surfaced in the 60's or early 70's |
TheNotrap
03.22.14 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RQM4r9mo6o
Probably the introduction of double-bass drums in rock music |
InbredJed
03.22.14 | : ( |
InbredJed
03.22.14 | thanks for the knowledge bro...
Potato you's right, I'm more on the track of combining shit for the first time rather than being straight up inventive I guess. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.22.14 | haha awe jeeed |
Havey
03.22.14 | calling DEP avant-jazz is hilarious jed i knew you were stupid but |
PunchforPunch
03.22.14 | lol |
Killerhit
03.22.14 | lol im not even sure wtf avant garde means |
mandan
03.22.14 | It's a French term, I think it means: "front guard".
However, I don't know that much about jazz, so I can't explain what avant-garde jazz is/was. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.22.14 | jed is a good dude you guys can fuck off its not a big deal |
Killerhit
03.22.14 | cant criticize jed about something i know jackshit about |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.22.14 | calculating infinity had SOME small passages that toyed with avant-jazz ideas so he wasn't completely off the nail. i mean like i said, huge stretch, but its not "you are retarded" worthy. |
Trebor.
03.22.14 | Kraftwerk
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InbredJed
03.22.14 | Woah I got a-bombed by Havey.
I guess that's proof of my existence, yay! |
SharkTooth
03.22.14 | The Stooges-Stooges, in a world dominated by the British Invasion, they REALLY
f-cked things up! |
manosg
03.22.14 | Damn, somehow I missed this list. Great list Danny, I agree with all your selections except 5 which I haven't listened. Good descriptions too. |
mandan
03.22.14 | Thanks manosg. QotSA isn't for everyone, but I respect them a lot because I feel they've maintained their musical integrity in spite of all the subpar music that's been coming out since 2000. |