bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | Fabulous muscular sun mountain hopes to float on buried rivers |
PlatonicMushroom
03.09.15 | reductionist nonsense!!1!1 |
treeqt.
03.09.15 | sm0k |
Lakes.
03.09.15 | sm0k [2] |
Alastor
03.09.15 | the loss of passion over time is certainly a problem for some musicians |
Relinquished
03.09.15 | belligerent post |
TheCrocodile
03.09.15 | This site. |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | "belligerent post"
Would you mind explaining me why?
"reductionist nonsense"
I'm adverse to the idea of reductionism but I can't seem to escape it currently. I'd like to see a newfound idealism in myself. The sole thing that doesn't entirely exclude idealistic notions is the possibility of consciousness being something more than the sum of its parts. |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | "the loss of passion over time is certainly a problem for some musicians"
Yes it certainly is! If I look at the release dates of some of my favourite albums, they've all been made when the band members were in their early twenties. I feel very wistful recognizing that... |
Lakes.
03.09.15 | interesting stuff dude. you make good lists but sput is the wrong community for them sometimes... |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | I have nowhere else to go |
Relinquished
03.09.15 | I meant unintelligible oops
the whole thing is generalized to the point where it hurts the purpose. you talk about the amygdala as if you learned about it recently, same with your "sollipsism" advocacy which came out of nowhere. |
Relinquished
03.09.15 | you want to talk about which "age group" is "right"? that's all relative as is everything and thus it's pointless to argue about. |
Alastor
03.09.15 | on the other hand, it's the opposite with writers and directors. most of them get better over time, because writing/filming requires a lot of experience. there are really no "mozarts" in literature. |
treeqt.
03.09.15 | but mozart wrote his best work just before he died |
treeqt.
03.09.15 | as did beethoven, bartok, schubert, shostakovich, the list, could go, on |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | Unintelligible,hmm maybe a little hard to read because it's not really written as an essay, fair enough. But I wouldn't say it's pointless to argue about, because it is relative. The more knowledge, the more perspectives,...it can do only good for argumentational and moral development, that is the purpose. |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | Hmm, yes treeqt. Interesting, maybe classical music is the way to retain your passion. |
Relinquished
03.09.15 | yea but you need solid premises do have so |
Relinquished
03.09.15 | and not to generalize ideas like you just did again |
Cygnatti
03.09.15 | they're all shite |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | Well neuroscience delivered them, solid enough. As for sollipsism, there isn't really a premise possible only the dogma that you can't know. At the core it is begging the question. |
Relinquished
03.09.15 | lol ok i'm done here this isn't gonna go anywhere constructive |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | No no, I'm curious. Could you give me your way of rehashing what I said? It doesn't need to be totally correct, just so I can see how you think it could deliver more and better premises. |
Relinquished
03.09.15 | instead how about we do away with textbook psychology terms, neuroscience mumbojumbo and old philosophy, let me ask you "why is your question"? why do you want to ask what age group is more right than the others? why separate them and why pit them against the other? |
MyNameIsPencil
03.09.15 | "If babies could speak they'd be the most intelligent people on the planet" |
PlatonicMushroom
03.09.15 | Philosophy hour on sputnik |
Relinquished
03.09.15 | yea spectatorman thnx 4 the contribs |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | "why do you want to ask what age group is more right than the others? why separate them and why pit them against the other?"
Because I discern these traits in myself and other people, the predisposition of wisdom and authority towards younger age groups. And sometimes they're right, sometimes they're not but is there an absolute right? Is experience the form of authority to evoke? Or could it be that the wisdom is lost in elder age groups and newer wisdom is granted.
And the surging neurosciences is a very good starting matter for these questions for they have shown us the predicament of conscience and the frailty of personality.
Voilà (okay, maybe I should have typed this in the description =) ) |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | Hmm, but it does leave out the philosophical angle though. (sollipsism) |
ConcubinaryCode
03.09.15 | What's the point point of your question and why do you seek an answer and if you find it how will it affect you as a human being? |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | "What's the point point of your question and why do you seek an answer and if you find it how will it affect you as a human being?"
Meaning. =) How can I be the best version of myself, that's the struggle where these type of questions come from. If I'm never absolutely right in my doings, can I ever be the best (moral, wise, healthy, passionate) version of me? |
Relinquished
03.09.15 | now let's try to do away with generalities with your statements
"the predisposition of wisdom and authority towards younger age groups."
how old and young are you talking? would you trust it the other way around?
"And sometimes they're right, sometimes they're not but is there an absolute right?"
no such thing as absolutes. no such thing.
"Is experience the form of authority to evoke?"
you don't rule by saying you have experience, you do by proving you have it.
"Or could it be that the wisdom is lost in elder age groups and newer wisdom is granted."
what does this even mean |
ConcubinaryCode
03.09.15 | I don't see where the whole age deal comes in. And I don't think the best is something people should strive for. Where's the limit? How good is best? Just live and learn dude. |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | Relinquished, uncertainty is one of the bases of philosophy. I get it that you want more narrowly phrased ideas. But I just feel that we're debating aside of one another from a different set principles. But hey, it's cool =) |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | Concubinary, some deem hedonistic exploits as best, some the gathering of materialistic objects. Others keep looking for the 'meaning of life' or try to figure out how it makes sense that they're alive. I'm one of the latter group and the only thing I have going for me are my set of values and beliefs (often very cynical) which I strive to hone to a maximum. It's the only way I know how to keep going |
ConcubinaryCode
03.09.15 | I think if the meaning of life were to be found we'd have found it. The great thing about life is you can mold it to what you want. But is this really what you want out of life? Don't you want to open a coffee shop or have some ambition past questioning things that no one could pin down? |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | I have little ambition left. It's pathetic really. |
Mort.
03.09.15 | "I have nowhere else to go"
countless philosophy boards and forums you could go to if you wish. Depending on where you live could be some part time club or educational group you could join in but hey, i dont know your life
and yeah i dont think youve defined your question clearly enough. |
Lakes.
03.09.15 | by relinquished's own logic arguing anything is pointless |
ConcubinaryCode
03.09.15 | Find something that makes you happy. Become the best at knowing your passions.try stuff out. |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | "countless philosophy boards and forums you could go to if you wish."
Haha, I was joking around |
ConcubinaryCode
03.09.15 | Also I still don't know what the fuck you were asking to begin with but hey. |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | Concubinary, there are things that make me happy. But just not enough, knowing that this world makes no sense. That love is our brains on drugs, caring for a child is our brain on drugs, happiness is our brain (temporarily) on drugs.
Very nihilistic, I know. I've been trying to fight this =) |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | "Also I still don't know what the fuck you were asking to begin with but hey.
"
Haha, nvm. We're past that it seems. |
ConcubinaryCode
03.09.15 | Just find your happiness and pursue that. Get what you want out of life and stop thinking why we should. |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | I feel like some presumptuous prick, seeing that the last bits of this conversation were about me. Thanks though =) . I'm off to dinner now, hopefully some interesting comments will take place during my absence. |
Lakes.
03.09.15 | when you're a kid you tell yourself "i'm gonna say no to drugs!" but at some point you realize life is pretty shitty and boring overall so you might as well do what you can to make yourself feel good. |
ArsMoriendi
03.09.15 | "when you're a kid you tell yourself "i'm gonna say no to drugs!" but at some point you realize life is pretty shitty and boring overall so you might as well do what you can to make yourself feel good."
Yeah, because that's what happens to everyone. Okay. |
Mort.
03.09.15 | he never said it happens to everyone ars
pull your head out your arse and take a joke |
Wolfhorde
03.09.15 | Trying to combine philosophy with simple, reductionist neuroscience is as hackeneyed and haphazard as trying to combine complex physics concepts with simple philosophical concepts.
I'm not even going to into the whole shenanigans that is the bane of how internal and external validity are so distorted in this process that what remains is often a bunch of misleading, pseudoscientific nonsense. We certainly don't need people to keep piling up on that pile of shit what with people like Dr. Oz, self proclaimed "science literates" and other hacks and quacks around.
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ArsMoriendi
03.09.15 | "pull your head out your arse and take a joke"
But Lakes. isn't funny. |
Lakes.
03.09.15 | and neither was "soup" |
Mort.
03.09.15 | neither is "boognish" |
ArsMoriendi
03.09.15 | @Lakes.: It was meant to be annoying, not funny... soooo
That's blasphemy Mort. |
Frippertronics
03.09.15 | still isn't funny Ars |
treeqt.
03.09.15 | sm0k [3] |
Relinquished
03.09.15 | "by relinquished's own logic arguing anything is pointless"
nah you misinterpreted what I said |
ArsMoriendi
03.09.15 | Of course it's funny, you just don't get it. If it weren't funny there wouldn't be over 4,000 members in the Facebook Ween fan group. |
Relinquished
03.09.15 | "uncertainty is one of the bases of philosophy"
it depends on what branches we're talking about, this whole thread gives me the impression that you need to search and read more about what you're looking for. obviously solipsism isn't it. |
Relinquished
03.09.15 | "Trying to combine philosophy with simple, reductionist neuroscience is as hackeneyed and haphazard as trying to combine complex physics concepts with simple philosophical concepts."
thank you bro, there it is |
YakNips
03.09.15 | "If it weren't funny there wouldn't be over 4,000 members in the Facebook Ween fan page."
oh my GOD |
Lakes.
03.09.15 | 4,000 people who don't know humor :0) |
SharkTooth
03.09.15 | "Of course it's funny, you just don't get it. If it weren't funny there wouldn't be over 4,000 members in the Facebook Ween fan group."
That's a very bad way to measure how funny something is, it's like saying Family Guy is funny because it has over 5 million likes on Facebook |
ArsMoriendi
03.09.15 | It's not just likes dude, it's a dedicated cult fan base of thousands who constantly post and interact. Hell, Dean Ween himself is actually part of the group. Which makes him awesome since he actually connects with his fans.
Plus I wouldn't except people who haven't even heard a single one of their albums to care about their inside jokes. Fripp, It'd be like a person saying a Zappa reference isn't funny if they never heard a Zappa album. Do you guys not get that certain humor is funnier in context?
By the way Lakes. you wanna know why I don't post in the community thread anymore? Because I don't find most of the users who post there funny in the slightest and it's more of a circle jerk than something that's actually fun to participate in. Of course there are exceptions, but if you want me to be frank most of your senses of humor are based around spite and negativity and it's just kind of miserable. Maybe you'd all be funny if you weren't so mean spirited.
(Shark, none of this is targeted at you, since none of my criticisms apply to you.)
But of course no one will agree with me because I took something too seriously again. |
ChoccyPhilly
03.09.15 | Currently 18 and boy, I don't miss some of the stupid shit i did when I was younger. I feel it's more... controlled now |
treeqt.
03.09.15 | ars
moriendi |
SeaAnemone
03.09.15 | Yeah I'm gonna regret posting here but this is just rambling from somebody who head about the amygdala last week.
You begin by asking "Which is right?" which is both (1) maybe peripherally related to that puke in the list description and (2) just really stupid generally.
In short, you're trying to oversimplify shit when it doesn't seem like you're very good at doing so and these are topics that almost definitely shouldn't be simplified to this level in the first place, and then posting it in the wrong place. |
PlatonicMushroom
03.09.15 | "I think if the meaning of life were to be found we'd have found it. The great thing about life is you can mold it to what you want." http://youtu.be/HqYAyBNk16A
@Relinquished, y u even bother |
ExcentrifugalForz
03.09.15 | knowledge: accrued with experience, a gift from the elderly
smartness: the rapid fire recognition through neurons, a young mans game. Most scientists do their best work before the age of 30.
The real philosophical question is whether we live through our own cognisance or through determinism. |
PlatonicMushroom
03.09.15 | ^nah brah
@bakkermaarten
If this list is serious, try to avoid highfaluutin gibberish and strive 4 clear, precise definitions. Your scattershot raving is annoying. |
bungy
03.09.15 | hey guys speaking of smartness I am insanely wise |
Frippertronics
03.09.15 | Ars, it still isn't funny and I've heard Ween's music.
I'm pretty sure I told you about the kid who quoted Zappa non-stop and even in context, it really wasn't all too funny outside the first time I even heard it.
tl;dr it's not funny |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | @platonicmushroom: it's serious the 5 minutes I spent creating it yes.
Apparently this style is annoying I can see that. I'm more amazed at the number of users who have done their fair share of introspection and reflection, to such a degree to declare this short description completely null. Which would've bothered me a couple of years back, but right now is mildly amusing. |
ArsMoriendi
03.09.15 | @Fripp: You seem to find it impossible to realize that there are different senses of humor/that your sense of humor isn't the only "correct" sense of humor. Your point is shitty because you're trying to approach humor objectively when humor is literally affected mainly by how someone personally feels about things. And you're acting like it's even a bad thing to not share your humor.
I'm trying to look at your point of view, but when I do, it just seems so one-sided. "This means this and that's it." Very concrete with no room for interpretation and certainly no leniency. It's a bummer. |
Frippertronics
03.09.15 | "You seem to find it impossible to realize that there are different senses of humor/that your sense of humor isn't the only "correct" sense of humor."
cool, stop making stuff up.
"Your point is shitty because you're trying to approach humor objectively when humor is literally affected mainly by how someone personally feels about things."
yeah, whatever you say. you're the site authority on humor after all.
"And you're acting like it's even a bad thing to not share your humor."
it's a bad thing when it's not funny (i.e. soup). It's redundant as hell, whether it's intentionally "annoying" or not. "Soooooo"
yeah. |
ArsMoriendi
03.09.15 | "cool, stop making stuff up."
I'm really not, you're literally acting like things you don't personally find funny shouldn't be good humor to anyone, which is absurd and ironically kind of funny.
"it's a bad thing when it's not funny (i.e. soup). It's redundant as hell, whether it's intentionally "annoying" or not. "Soooooo""
More objective opinions about humor great. As if there's an exact scientific structure to funny. |
Frippertronics
03.09.15 | okay Ars whatever |
ArsMoriendi
03.09.15 | Yeah, this conversation went over the top because of me again sorry bakker guy.
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PlatonicMushroom
03.09.15 | "humor is literally affected
you're literally acting"
oh fucking god [2] |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | Don't be sorry Arsmor. I like your conviction, atleast you're willing to debate instead of just playing the ad hominem argument. |
SeaAnemone
03.09.15 | "Don't be sorry Arsmor. I like your conviction, atleast you're willing to debate instead of just playing the ad hominem argument."
mfw bakker doesn't reply to my comment |
bakkermaarten007
03.09.15 | In all honesty sea, what did you think? Is it really worth replying to?
And that quote wasn't directed at you, if you might think it was. |
SeaAnemone
03.09.15 | I'm not sure smh |
