ChoccyPhilly: Guitars are boring

ChoccyPhilly 02.11.16	What do you think? Any of you lot feel similar?
Asdfp277 02.11.16	finally
Asdfp277 02.11.16	i've had this feeling you're describing my whole life
Sevengill 02.11.16	Of some relevance, I'm making a black metal album without any guitars. We'll see how it goes xD
Asdfp277 02.11.16	listen to some meshuggah
Nocturnalize 02.11.16	Rings Of Saturn - Lugal Ki En
Sevengill 02.11.16	They didn't use guitars, they used alien technology.
Asdfp277 02.11.16	Nocturnalize: he said guitars, not guitar pro 6 kekekekekekekekekekeke
TheSonomaDude 02.11.16	You'd like Slayer
BigBlob 02.11.16	black metal has the most boring guitars out of any music. its mind numbing most of the time so i dont know what ur going on about
ChoccyPhilly 02.11.16	nah, guitars used in a band like Ghost is more numbing and bland than any black metal - I probably enjoy the ferocity of the drumming and vocals enough to overlook the guitars
ScuroFantasma 02.11.16	Nah guitars rule. I can 100% see what you mean though, for me it's solos that I generally feel like that about, they seem really unecessary sometimes.
chemicalmarriage 02.11.16	the guitar's a beautiful thing
ChoccyPhilly 02.11.16	With a myriad of other sounds to explore, the guitar is feeling more and more insignificant to me
TheSonomaDude 02.11.16	Guitar solos are usually really pointless and don't do anything for me.
tacos n stuff 02.11.16	im with blob on this one, guitars in black metal usually dont do much at all I very rarely listen to black metal though, but from what ive heard, theyre kinda just...there
sumyunguy 02.11.16	I've always thought, at least in the sphere of prog rock, the keyboards are far and away the highlight, usually.
tacos n stuff 02.11.16	I must say though that I agree that guitars and riffs in general dont do as much for me nearly as much as they used to
Hawks 02.11.16	Nocturnalize has to embarrass himself in every thread.
Asdfp277 02.11.16	it's all about dat rhythmic section
BigBlob 02.11.16	and the reason the guitars in Ghost suck is because Ghost as a band suck. listen to some NOLA or something
Nocturnalize 02.11.16	ur dumb hawks
Mystletainn 02.11.16	It's because you're listening to all that false metal nonsense, check Possessed bro. You'll never look at a riff the same way again.
Dmax28 02.11.16	Guitars are a cornerstone of western music
ChoccyPhilly 02.12.16	This is more referring to rock than metal, so it's not necessarily about 'false metal nonsense'. I can still get by with metal but a lot of rock/traditional heavy metal puts me off instantly for reasons stated above
Asdfp277 02.12.16	i like solos more than riffs, but in general i like good stuff more than not-so-good stuff
adr 02.12.16	listen to Television or Glenn Branca
Asdfp277 02.12.16	rock is so bland
Mystletainn 02.12.16	a wise man once said riffs > solos but yeah rock is generally pretty boring for me
ZombicidalMan 02.12.16	it's hard to put into words, but any guitar that sounds unconventional is what I look for nowadays. I don't mean experimental or complex, just guitar that goes against the norm. Women and Vietcong are good examples, lots of their stuff has weird rhythms, or they'll have two simple guitar parts combine to sound like one complex guitar. And obviously people like Nels Cline spice up stereotypical Wilco chords with weirdly phrased guitar work and noise. And of course shoegaze with its very wash-y, indistinct walls of sound
ZombicidalMan 02.12.16	there's also some riffs which I normally would get bored of, but playing them on guitar reinvigorates them. Like Corrosion of Conformity can be really repetitive and basic, but playing along to those riffs makes you feel like a god
Asdfp277 02.12.16	Zombie: listen to The Gathering, especially Souvernirs and Disclosure, you'll like it
Dmax28 02.12.16	I'm going to check that stuff out zombie, sounds interesting. And yea I get you, like mainstream rock guitars and just cliche sounding stuff can be as cringe worthy as anything. Like it sounds like its trying to be badass but it's really not. For the most part guitars continue to impress me though. :P
Hawks 02.12.16	"ur dumb hawks" You 5'd Born of Osiris, Emmure, and The Contortionist.
chemicalmarriage 02.12.16	If there is a God I know he likes to rock He likes his loud guitars And his spiders from Mars
ChoccyPhilly 02.12.16	"Prog metal - 16% Post rock - 18% Indie rock - 8% Sludge metal - 8% Blues - 11% Alternative rock - 12% Psychedelic - 12% Prog rock - 16%" @chemical why am i not surprised at your comments? Go jam some Arca
Asdfp277 02.12.16	listen to some no-guitar
Valkyrion 02.12.16	drums are where it's at
Sevengill 02.12.16	Conference of the Birds is where it's at.
chemicalmarriage 02.12.16	Think I'll jam some hendrix then some rush thanks good luck being queefs
ChoccyPhilly 02.12.16	el oh el
TalonsOfFire 02.12.16	I'm reading Conference of the Birds for Mysticism and Spirituality right now actually, it's an amazing read.
Sevengill 02.12.16	I was going for the Om album but that works too.
Keyblade 02.12.16	there's no guitar on conference of the birds :D
Asdfp277 02.12.16
Keyblade 02.12.16	unless u wanna be pedantic and say bass guitar i guess
Fxxkit13 02.12.16	Wreck and Reference don't have any guitars
Sevengill 02.12.16	d*****p doesn't have any guitars
Asdfp277 02.12.16	The Gathering have two guitarists but they good, listen to them :0
Relinquished 02.12.16	dude brandon get off that account you're tripping me hard in 2016
Relinquished 02.12.16	"@chemical why am i not surprised at your comments? Go jam some Arca" he's not even that good, u fuk'd up "Think I'll jam some hendrix then some rush thanks good luck being queefs" appropriate response also
SgtAenema 02.12.16	i play guitar, but bass>>>>>>>>>guitar
TheSpirit 02.12.16	Wreck and Reference don't have any guitars [2]
Relinquished 02.12.16	I prefer Fxxkit13 actually, he was more OG
JokineAugustus 02.12.16	Sorry but nothing beats a good guitar riff or bass riff
user 02.12.16	I only listen to bands with djembe
Asdfp277 02.12.16	wrong
Relinquished 02.12.16	wrong what wrong opinon?
ZombicidalMan 02.12.16	i play both, but guitar>>>>>>>>>bass bass is just too limited, even if dudes like cisneros play it superbly
Relinquished 02.12.16	thundercat and better bassists say otherwise
JokineAugustus 02.12.16	Have you even heard Dances of Death?
DirEnRefused 02.12.16	bass is inherently more limited than guitar and i play both. if you disagree you're empirically wrong.
DirEnRefused 02.12.16	i'm fuckin drunk lol
Asdfp277 02.12.16	it shows
DirEnRefused 02.12.16	6 strings over 4 strings do you even maths
JokineAugustus 02.12.16	Just listen to Rudimentary Peni
Sevengill 02.12.16	it's a monophonic vs. polyphonic thing, yeah. but Paul Malone and Joe Lester make monophonic rule.
Relinquished 02.12.16	"Have you even heard Dances of Death?" I mean bout the limitation of the bass, TC fuckin blew my mind from his talent
Asdfp277 02.12.16	The Instrument Nerds Ruin Thread Again
ElegantElephant 02.12.16	today is gonna be the day that that theyre gonna throw it back to you
user 02.12.16	aye
Cygnatti 02.12.16	Guitar music is a lesser form of music agreed [6]
TheSonomaDude 02.12.16	but you cant djent without guitars
Gwyn. 02.12.16	not any less or more boring than any other instrument
Brabiz 02.12.16	I agree, but i also enjoy metal from time to time. 1 is the perfect example for this. The Blade is fantastic.
Sevengill 02.12.16	why guitars are unnecessary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTnWHJ3ZqsI
Asdfp277 02.12.16	just make good music
Cygnatti 02.12.16	on the real tho, symphonic rock, metal, and pop are probs the worst genres ever tho. also cellos are sexy af
torts 02.12.16	just shut up
Cygnatti 02.12.16	follow your own advice tbh but u never do ._.
Asdfp277 02.12.16	"metal, and pop are probs the worst genres ever tho." but rock's an exception cuz
evilford 02.12.16	U can't riff anymore huh well dam rip in peace
Cygnatti 02.12.16	Um asdf i was talking about the genres symphonic rock, symphonic metal, and symphonic pop (aka classical crossover). Includes symphonic black metal because fuckin lol that thats actually a thing lmao
hal1ax 02.12.16	u no like emperor? nightwish? :[
ChoccyPhilly 02.12.16	Olafur arnalds does some neoclassical music with pop influences which is gorgeous but I guess it's primarily classical
Cygnatti 02.12.16	I actually do like emperor, i just think its funny to listen to. Dont think ive heard nightwish tho.
Mystletainn 02.12.16	symphonic pop... omg why though? why does such a thing exist?
ScuroFantasma 02.12.16	@Cyg Erdentempel mate
Cygnatti 02.12.16	Symphonic pop us pretty big really. Like that one girl Lindsay stirling. A lot of youtube musicians (another worst genre ever) engage in classical crossover.
ChoccyPhilly 02.12.16	Agreed, Lindsey stirling is bad
Asdfp277 02.12.16	lindsey sucks yea
Keyblade 02.12.16	symphonic metal rules when done right. haggard, obtained enslavement, estatic fear, nightwish, therion, diabolical masquerade, obsidian gate etc etc
ElegantElephant 02.12.16	listen 2 the beatles bro
Asdfp277 02.12.16	yea they are known for having the most vigorous riffs ever
brokendogleg 02.12.16	Listen to Killing Joke
p4p 02.12.16	"Guitars are boring" 14% progressive metal, 19% progressive rock
TheSpirit 02.12.16	"black metal has the most boring guitars out of any music. its mind numbing most of the time so i dont know what ur going on about " says someone who doesn't listen to black metal
Asdfp277 02.12.16	wanna contradict his claim, would be appreciated
ChoccyPhilly 02.12.16	@p4p wow you didn't read a damn thing I wrote, did you?
TheSpirit 02.12.16	Volahn Panopticon Arizmenda Grand Belial's Key Dissection Kathaaria Lugubrum Spite Extreme Wing i could go on and on and on
Asdfp277 02.12.16	yea liked arizmenda and grand belial, gonna check the rest
Asdfp277 02.12.16	still u guys sure do get butthurt over people not liking ur precious metal like, dudes
TheSpirit 02.12.16	i don't hold metal in higher regards than any other music genre, it's just stupid when someone who obviously hasn't given a genre a chance makes a blanket statement like that. black metal is super diverse, it's kind of hard just to boil down to a particular style of guitar
Hawks 02.12.16	Metal is better than all other genres though.
ScuroFantasma 02.12.16	No use denying it
Asdfp277 02.12.16	cringe anyway dude choccy, listen to The Gathering
LotusFlower 02.12.16	good thread
Relinquished 02.12.16	not really
wtferrothorn 02.12.16	I've actually gotten even more into guitars recently, thank to a recent garage rock/punk binge.
Asdfp277 02.12.16	that vid Sevengill posted is awesome btw, y'all should check it out if u haven't
Thibs 02.12.16	fuck this
Asdfp277 02.12.16	21% progressive metal, 17% death metal, 17% metalcore, 13% metal, 9% alternative rock, 8% melodic death metal, etc etc
hal1ax 02.12.16	/m
Notaflower 02.12.16	If you say that bass < guitar because you are more limited, by the same logic you have to say that guitar < keyboards
Thibs 02.12.16	Very true asd
Frippertronics 02.12.16	check midori
ElegantElephant 02.12.16	dudes check pantnera
Tyler. 02.12.16	some really dumb people itt
Keyblade 02.12.16	yea whoever said bm guitars are boring effed up. it's like saying the synths in ambient music are not interesting. the whole point of the guitars is to create an atmosphere, not to create interesting riffs or w/e. there's a reason riffs are drawn out and repeated and it's not because they're simply boring (although as Spirit pointed out there are plenty of bm bands with interesting riffs)
ZombicidalMan 02.12.16	The Chapman stick though
smaugman 02.12.16	dumb list
EvoHavok 02.12.16	The electric guitar is one of my favourite instruments so I can't find it boring. That being said, there are of course a lot of bland compositions out there using it.
zakalwe 02.12.16	The guitar was a tool of rebellion, an instrument that jolted people into action while those icons that played crafted out songs to rouse generations. The guitar was a symbol of hope for the lost, confused and disenfranchised and unified those who wanted to be heard. The Darcys >
Asdfp277 02.12.16	ur old, we get it
RadicalEd 02.12.16	based on your ratings you just have a terrible, terrible frame of reference.
BandNewbac 02.12.16	guitars can still be interesting if used interestingly, simple as.
Asdfp277 02.12.16	did any of y'all even read his description lol
RadicalEd 02.12.16	yes. He used to like guitars, now he's bored with them. I'm just wondering why he ever was interested in Ghost or Bring me the Horizon.
BurnCity 02.12.16	u should probs just switch to psi-trance and get large with it - on a snootier personal note, that BMTH album is not really a good item for pointing anything out.
Keyblade 02.12.16	yes to psytrance. need to get back into that and some goa
Halfman 02.12.16	You're fucked.
RadicalEd 02.12.16	Listen to: "Shakti - Natural Elements"
zakalwe 02.12.16	Is it exciting?
Asdfp277 02.12.16	it's good
RadicalEd 02.12.16	John Mclaughlin is always both good and exciting.
EvoHavok 02.12.16	Great rec, Ed.
Flugmorph 02.12.16	i feel ya
ChoccyPhilly 02.12.16	Lol I even said that the bmth is shit, you all suck at reading
DinosaurJones 02.12.16	People have trouble accepting opinions, huh?
CalculatingInfinity 02.12.16	Listen to: "Shakti - Natural Elements" [2] I personally think the statement itself is stupid but meh whatever floats your boat.
smaugman 02.12.16	dinosaurjones: disagreeing= unable to accept opinions?
DinosaurJones 02.12.16	It's more that people can't just be like "oh, cool man. I totally understand where you're coming from," it's "Well, you're obviously listening to the wrong music. Listen to this or this or this. You listened to that? No wonder you think guitar is lame, that's shit music. Listen to GOOD music."
Deez 02.12.16	I went through maybe an 18 month period where I just listened to loads of electronic music of all forms and wasnt listening to a lot of guitar based music at all. We back now though. You go through stages innit, No matter how old.
DinosaurJones 02.12.16	^^ That I love music, but I go through my phases. I went through an EDM phase for a while, a few months, and then I was kind of burnt out on music in general and just listened to a lot of podcasts and such. But then I just started to get back into it, and this sort of thing just happens occasionally.
tempest-- 02.12.16	sounds like you need a healthy dose of synthwave... check my 2 most recent lists ;-]
Flugmorph 02.12.16	Lloyd got your fix
Trebor. 02.12.16	but what about twinkly emo that all sounds the same?
botb 02.12.16	I'm trying not to cringe about you saying 4 is better than lots of riff bands.
YetAnotherBrick 02.12.16	i've had this feeling before but i usually come across a band that gets me back into it. I listened to Powerslave for the first time in a while recently and it was fucking awesome. super simple but uncannily memorable riffs and instrumental sections. but yeah shit like the Deftones... sometimes it's just like... eh i could be listening to some Boards of Canada or Fiona Apple right now lool
Trebor. 02.12.16	jam off minor
Flugmorph 02.12.16	Jam front line assembly
evilford 02.12.16	jam bowie
evilford 02.12.16	jam ISIS