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alkostach 02.24.22	As one East European leader once said: first Georgia, then Ukraine, then Baltic Countries and then Poland. Everyone called him crazy man back then, especially the rotten feminized beyond reason leaders of the west. But truly, who should putin respect? Van der Layen and the other EU pussies gonna draw some flowers with ecological crayons on some street in Brussels? putin sees that west is run by pussies, and he gonna fook'em one by one.
ToSmokMuzyki 02.24.22	I don't hate all [insert ethnicity], but their country is run by psychopaths
someone 02.24.22	fuck him
neekafat 02.24.22	Fuck this
TheNotrap 02.24.22	Once a predator, always a predator. Hope all Ukrainian sputlads remain safe.
osmark86 02.24.22	good thing we got bad boi alkostach to protect us. I'm off to draw a flower.
Demon of the Fall 02.24.22	why doesn't someone just assassinate him? semi-serious question I wouldn't normally advocate for such measures, but I'm kind of surprised it hasn't happened yet... unless there's like a line of people waiting to take over from him that are just as bad and will continue his 'work'?
gravityswitch 02.24.22	@Demon: he's paranoid and heavily guarded. Yeah Fuck him.
osmark86 02.24.22	pretty sure he might be digging his own grave if this turns out into a fiasco for Russia. already cancelled the new pipeline and their stock market has plummeted.
LouBreed 02.24.22	I'm from Ukraine, so far there have been several incursions on the border, attacks from the occupied territories (Donetsk, Lugansk, and Crimea), as well as sporadic bombings of military bases, airports, and other infrastructure facilities across Ukraine including Kyiv. So far the response of our Armed Forces and government seems to be adequate, but it's too early to tell how it will play out or for how long will it last. The one thing I'm REALLY scared about: if Putin is crazy enough to launch a full-scale invasion - he's crazy enough to drop a nuke. Thank you for your support!
Demon of the Fall 02.24.22	@gravityswitch: I'd be interested to see what would happen... does he have an army of supporters large enough to cause war?... or would the collective whole just breathe a sigh of relief and think 'thank fuck that's over with'... I mean if it's the latter it really should have happened by now. Putin's people assassinate those who oppose him, right? Why can't it happen the other way around. I get it, he's probably very difficult to get to, but I'm still surprised he hasn't succumbed to an inside job at one point or another.
osmark86 02.24.22	@LouBreed: stay strong
Dewinged 02.24.22	@LouBreed fuck man, stay safe ;( @demon idk if u saw that vid of his exchange with his spy master but it tells all u need to know.
Flugmorph 02.24.22	alkostach right away outing themselves as a rightoid moron
osmark86 02.24.22	@flug: they just can't help themselves
Gnocchi 02.24.22	sputlads remain safe [2]
Flugmorph 02.24.22	sputlads remain safe [3]
alkostach 02.24.22	I'm waiting for the brave actions of EU to save the Ukraine and for the amazing German helmets, all 5000 of them, to do the job. The inaction of EU is just mind-blowing. There are officially more than 0,7 Million Ukrainians in Poland, unofficially I'd say double that. They are not even allowed to work in many of the EU countries, like Germany and France. All Ukrainian refugees are welcome in Poland, as has always been the case. I've helped a lot of Ukrainian people over the years in many ways, mostly with my hard earned money and finding jobs. I've done enough in that regard to have a say here. Flugmorph got get your crayon while I see if I've got some spare money to send to foundations that help people there.
osmark86 02.24.22	I think that when Putin has explicitly said that he will meet any action from other nations with violence and he holds nukes that caution is probably the best course of action for now wouldn't you agree? at least when talking armed resistance.
alkostach 02.24.22	It's gonna end up exactly like in Georgia. Nobody's gonna help and Ukraine will be annexed (first a puppet government of course, that's what soviets love the most). Polish borders are already opened for Ukrainian refugees. I'm waiting to see some German/French soldiers/border guard to come help build the refugee camps. That would be appreciated, but I can hardly see that happening.
Scheumke 02.24.22	It hardly been 24 hours and you're already talking about inaction? If you seriously expected an immediate replacement of western troops to the Ukraine / declaration of war against Russia etc. you show a severe misunderstanding of the ramifications that would have. The major powers in the world haven't come this close to clashing since the Cuban Missile Crisis, which is the closest we as a species have ever come to complete annihilation, plus you're dealing with a power hungry mad-men. So yeah, caution and deliberate de-escalation is the only viable option here from the viewpoint of the western powers. This is gonna be nothing like Georgia, because it has exploded in news media all over the world as a deliberate attack on the Ukraine. Putin will not get away with this by annexing the second largest country in Europe.
Tundra 02.24.22	Praying for Ukraine
alkostach 02.24.22	It's been boiling for months now, it didn't start yesterday. Putin's seen no reaction at all, only those 5000 German helmets, with which Germany casually said "we don't care". I also don't mean troops, at least not yet. I mean money. Money is the only thing that could really hurt. Sanction Russia out of this fookin' planet. Ostracize all the oligarchs, disallow them all to come to any EU countries, confiscate all their luxurious estates around Europe, close all their European accounts etc. They could then pressure Putin. What happened instead? Putins private yacht worth 75M pounds casually left German shipyard a few days ago. The West tried to domesticate a beast. Soft diplomacy works among western, democratic countries. It doesn't work on dictators. Money and sanctions are the only way, I believe a lot of life could have been spared with sanctions at the first signs of invasion. I apologize if this is too political and I'm not going to delve into this anymore as this is not helping anyone. I agree, that saving as many people as possible is the absolute priority right now. Sending help to the civilians and getting refugees out of the danger is an obligation of our European governments and countries. I hope we can all stand united in this moment.
DoofDoof 02.24.22	China with the popcorn 🍿
zakalwe 02.24.22	“I'd be interested to see what would happen... does he have an army of supporters large enough to cause war?” They’re called China mate.
DoofDoof 02.24.22	Snap Zak If history has taught us one thing it’s that when the shit hits the fan the weirdest alliances form.
zakalwe 02.24.22	Haha. Indeed mate. Russia invades, China follows suit having both destabilised the West. See you in the Gulag pal
Demon of the Fall 02.24.22	again that's not 'China' though is it? A few unhinged individuals have the rest of the world running scared. It's absurd when you think about it. I wasn't presenting it as an easy solution anyway, just a curiosity. I was interested to know how much support Putin has in his own country, these people rule by fear after all. Diplomacy only gets you so far as alkostach pointed out, these power-hungry lunatics cannot be reasoned with.
zakalwe 02.24.22	It’s reality. ‘Normal’ people don’t have the gumption or sheer insanity, ego and psychosis to head a global superpower.
DoofDoof 02.24.22	When you are ordered into that tank you do it. My grandad would have been sickened with the idea of having anything to do with Japan because he served in Burma, normal people became psychopaths just like the nazi soldiers, he thought the Japanese were the cruelest of all and he’d lived it. Can’t argue with it, it was his experience. People can change into anything
Donchivo 02.24.22	@Doof: China while having it's popcorn: If this Ukraine thing works out, Taiwan will work out too!
Demon of the Fall 02.24.22	'It’s reality. ‘Normal’ people don’t have the gumption or sheer insanity, ego and psychosis to head a global superpower.' of course, so then back to my original point... how do they survive so long / why hasn't anyone assassinated them yet? I mean if it really is just a few individuals dotted around the world, it can't be too difficult, right? These people must have water-tight support networks, people they work with that can be trusted 100% - surprised these 'networks' don't completely unravel at times such as these.
DoofDoof 02.24.22	Power vacuum is frequently worse See the Middle East Start with dictators ruling with fear, then ‘freedom fighter’ terrorist organisations, then the proper dark ages fuckers and whole regions locked in effectively civil war Russian militants with nukes?
Demon of the Fall 02.24.22	and I'm not talking about one man and a gun just walking up to a heavily guarded individual and shooting them (without any prior connections), you need a bit more than that, obviously... wouldn't get close enough governments / spies / even his own people 'could' potentially be turned etc.
Demon of the Fall 02.24.22	of course I'm simplifying the point here (purposefully) because I don't know shit, I just struggle to understand how anyone like Putin maintains his power for so long, when he's so dangerous to so many I can certainly see the more extreme view that the West is 'overly diplomatic' when faced with people like this, because you can't actually reason with them
DoofDoof 02.24.22	Overthrowing someone like Putin is difficult, he probably has half the population onside with his rhetoric, then he has the military, industry and crime networks on his side too. No democracy, kill opposition, silence dissenters, job done Economic hardship can also just harden a population for war too, so even sanctions can play out like that, more resentment of the West
JeremiahBullfrog 02.24.22	It's all very worrying, Ukraine doesn't deserve the shit it's going through. Unfortunately Russia is Historically (as in recent history) Greedy, Merciless and without compassion. No i don't talk of every single Russian either so don't pull that card on me, I bet there's plenty of everyday Russian's that are mortified.
zakalwe 02.24.22	Somethings never change. Russia is brutal.
Demon of the Fall 02.24.22	'Overthrowing someone like Putin is difficult, he probably has half the population onside with his rhetoric' yeah this is something I was wondering... how many 'everyday' Russian nationals actually support him?... which is what I was getting at earlier. Seeing how many people defend the likes of Trump and Boris despite their clear inadequacies and quite frankly ludicrous behaviour, definitely makes me think it's possible (although let's not get into that right now). really hoping for the sake of the Ukrainian people that a solution can be found, whatever that looks like.
JeremiahBullfrog 02.24.22	You have to remember the general population of Earth is scum /s ... kinda
Scheumke 02.24.22	Don't forget that Putin has something on his side that Trump and Johnson don't: He has a pretty much absolute power over the media in Russia. Propaganda and disinformation are very powerful tools when it comes to uniting a mass into seeing a common enemy (or in this case a cause: to liberate the Russian population in Ukraine and give them the 'freedom' they yearn for). Luckily a lot of people can think for themselves and don't blindly believe in the public media anymore, but a lot of them still do.
DoofDoof 02.24.22	Yes, Putin has the 'carrot' of pro 'good old days of the USSR' media rhetoric with blanket coverage and anti West sentiment stuff too of course. Say that wins over say half the population. Then the 'stick' is that he rules with fear and will have ways of making life very uncomfortable for anyone who doesn't pledge support or act how they're expected to. So that's most of the other half. You can't really blame people as such, choices aren't great, or people can just be ignorant of a lot (or kept ignorant)
conesmoke 02.24.22	Absolute war piggotry
Demon of the Fall 02.24.22	ah yes the whole 'good old days / empire' nostalgia propaganda, that's reminiscent of something that happened here quite recently... can't quite put my finger on it right now, lol (not actually funny).
Demon of the Fall 02.24.22	but yes, having complete control of the media presumably means you don't have to scramble around covering things up after you 'accidentally' overspend on your campaign
Egarran 02.24.22	I'm just amazed anyone can be bothered. But apparently this is a therapeutic war for Russia, to prove they're still a thing. Seems a strongman image and national pride is still super important. Also fun to see how the US trumpublicans are reacting to this.
Dewinged 02.24.22	Meanwhile I remain on this goddamn island wondering when it's the other lunatic pig going to drop those nukes he has been testing these past months
Artuma 02.24.22	"pretty sure he might be digging his own grave if this turns out into a fiasco for Russia" so far not looking like a fiasco for russia, unfortunately. ukraine needs all the help they can get
Artuma 02.24.22	also LOL at whatever sanctions countries around the world and the EU are planning on throwing at russia. putin doesn't care, he's gone insane
Egarran 02.24.22	Also some of the earlier sanctions apparently improved Russian economy because they were forced to other, non-western markets. But it does seem a good idea to drop northstream 2.
Friday13th 02.24.22	Yeah screw Putin! I'm definitely won't be buying that rare vinyl record that is curiously on sale on Discogs and shipping from Russian. That'll show Putin!
alkostach 02.24.22	The Russian media are already warning all the Russians not to participate in any anti-war protests, because of "negative legal consequences of these actions, which include prosecution and up to criminal liability” “It should be remembered that holding a criminal record holds negative consequences and leaves a mark on the person’s future". I don't think any normal Russians are happy with what's happening, but they can either stfu or go to jail and get their and their families lives destroyed.
madrigal30 02.24.22	won't become a 'fiasco" for Russia unless, say, the US intervenes, but something like that is 90% positive to induce a nuclear war.
alkostach 02.24.22	Maybe some of our American and West European friends here don't get the sentiment the people of Eastern Europe have, that's why I've been call a "rightoid moron" (which is hilarious btw.) so here's the perspective of people that shelter now in subway in Kharkiv: "What's my plan now? I don't know. For now, we are staying here. To tell you the truth, I hope that Europe and USA, they will support us the most because Putin ... understands only the language of power, and I hope they can really put him to sense, if it's still possible. Because I don't believe that he will just stop or that it will be a quick war, and I don't want any people to die here in my land." This is not some toy war in a faraway land. This shit happens at the border of EU and innocent people are now dying at hands of Soviet soldiers. The CNN live coverage seems quite reliable source of information and comments, so I send you there: https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-24-22-intl/index.html
parksungjoon 02.24.22	>Maybe some of our American and West European friends here don't get the sentiment the people of Eastern Europe have, that's why I've been call a "rightoid moron" (which is hilarious btw.) it's probably because you talk about how "the west" is "feminized" and "pussy" and you are absolutely a complete fucking moron if you genuinely belive armed NATO intervention would not lead to a nuclear war signed, someone also from EE
DePlazz 02.24.22	>and you are absolutely a complete fucking moron if you genuinely belive armed NATO intervention would not lead to a nuclear war [2]
alkostach 02.24.22	It's hilarious. Have you even read what what I've written? And if there is no immediate and extreme reaction, in a few weeks there will be an Russian puppet government in Kyiv. Putin respects only strong and powerful. I can just imagine how he reacts to the granny van der Layen, grandpa Biden or the German ministers of Foreign Affairs and Defence. For years the right of penguins to pretend they are dodos has been more important than matters of security and that's were it brought us.
parksungjoon 02.24.22	>For years the right of penguins to pretend they are dodos have been more important then matters of security and that's were it brought us. and this is exactly why you're a rightoid moron thanks for proving his point
alkostach 02.24.22	hahaha, it was so predictable, that this would be your only point.
parksungjoon 02.24.22	if you believe geopolitics come down to animalistic ideas of "who is strong" and "who is weak" you're missing at least 30 IQ to be having this conversation, but it's full of people like you here so i'm not surprised maybe they dont teach the cold war in schools where you're from?
JeremiahBullfrog 02.24.22	I've been saying for years Russia and China are not to be trusted, the average Joe on the street is no different to you or me, we are all human beings at the end of the day. But the folk in charge of those countries and making the important calls are NOT like you and me, and it would be foolish to not worry about the outcome of this all. Tensions are high folks, lets not get name calling.
alkostach 02.24.22	It's not what I think, or what the Eastern sentiment is. It's what Putin thinks, and what he thinks, he stated clearly this morning. You haven't heard that, I'm sure, cuz you wouldn't talk such shit. He said: "Whoever tries to interfere with us, and even more so, to create threats for our country, for our people, should know that Russia's response will be immediate and will lead you to such consequences that you have never experienced in your history. We are ready for any development of events. All necessary decisions in this regard have been made." Yeah, sure, we'll solve this problem with language of love, hope and promise of prosperity to Russian people. For Putin there is only the language of power and fear. And he probably cares about money, but I'm not ever sure at this point if he cares about that. He's probably gone mad by now, he's so power drunk.
Drifter 02.24.22	russia better hope i dont get involved fr
Rowhaus 02.24.22	Thank God the adults are back in charge
JeremiahBullfrog 02.24.22	Drifter you Have Donda 5'd, Putin would knock you out
JeremiahBullfrog 02.24.22	kidding obviously, though tensions are high in this thread, making my butthole clench
parksungjoon 02.24.22	>It's what Putin thinks, and what he thinks, he stated clearly this morning. yeah cuz ex-KGB running a mafia state for 30 years can should 100% be trusted at face value >"Whoever tries to interfere with us, and even more so, to create threats for our country, for our people, should know that Russia's response will be immediate and will lead you to such consequences that you have never experienced in your history. We are ready for any development of events. All necessary decisions in this regard have been made." this is literally him making the point that interference can and will lead to nuclear war. and you think its an invitation to interfere? learn how to fucking read before pasting shit >Yeah, sure, we'll solve this problem with language of love, hope and promise of prosperity to Russian people. no one suggested this, stop bringing up irrelevant shit and maybe people will stop calling you a rightoid moron >He's probably gone mad by now, he's so power drunk. and your solution to this is to wage war against the 2nd most armed nuclear power in the world? log off and read a book
Drifter 02.24.22	and he gonna fook'em one by one
Drifter 02.24.22	"Drifter you Have Donda 5'd, Putin would knock you out" poopin stands no chance against my 5s
madrigal30 02.24.22	"putin respects only the strong and powerful" i wanna know what exactly you view power as. because biden is without a doubt the most powerful man in the world. he has the most nuclear weapons at his disposal, the biggest military, the most money and global influence, (technically) jurisdiction over some of the most profitable companies in the world.... do i believe he's equipped for this ? no. but he is objectively more "powerful" even than putin. you're "a rightoid moron" because, if i understand you correctly, your idea of "power" is "whoever is the most unfeeling and machiavellian in the stateroom" and not "whoever has the most resources." also power is bad
JeremiahBullfrog 02.24.22	I reckon this post will get deleted before long
AmericanFlagAsh 02.24.22	Yeah really don't think Putin cares about the sanctions, which is terrifying, I really don't want a world war
JeremiahBullfrog 02.24.22	Username doesn't check out
Senetrix666 02.24.22	ive been reading about the anti-russian sentiment breeding in ukraine with the rise of organizations like the azov batallion, which is essentially a nationalistic neo-nazi militant group funded by the U.S. and the ukrainian government. point is: no side is without fault in this situation.
AmericanFlagAsh 02.24.22	Somebody always wants to blame the victim lol
jagride 02.24.22	george kennan would be called a putin cocksucker in today's deranged discourse feels like more couldve been done to knock heads together and grant/extract concessions to get minsk II done and maybe not dangling nato membership to ukraine w/ no intention of honouring it, because ultimately this isn't worth nuclear war something something appeasement
Drifter 02.24.22	anti-russian sentiment = war justified
parksungjoon 02.24.22	senetrix next i would encourage you to read about the lie of "panslavism" and how russian nationalists have been pining to take "back" ukraine, belarus etc. this shit has been inevitable since crimea in 2014, remember their justifications that most people there are actually russian and other "heritage" bullshit like this
JeremiahBullfrog 02.24.22	Uhhh Senetrix I don't think having what is more than likely a fringe-group of haters is the same as actual Invasion my man, trash take.
Sinternet 02.24.22	it's not wrong to point out the violent far-right nationalist movements that have had increasing influence in ukraine in the last twenty years, but it's certainly not representative of the majority of ukrainian citizens, and does not negate the fact that russia are the obvious aggressors here that and even then the invasion isn't even popular in russia itself, this is purely a putin + cronies pet project
JayEnder 02.24.22	WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR
Drifter 02.24.22	im a lil too unintelligent and uninformed to really understand what park is talking about but im sure he's shitting on everyone itt like usual m/
DoofDoof 02.24.22	'"putin respects only the strong and powerful" i wanna know what exactly you view power as. ' Biden looks worse with his tits out riding a horse, game over, 1 to nil Putin
Assemblage 02.24.22	Most of this thread is a good example why ordinary people are left out of politics completely.
DoofDoof 02.24.22	how learn-ed of you
parksungjoon 02.24.22	>that and even then the invasion isn't even popular in russia itself, this is purely a putin + cronies pet project it doesn't matter that much in a mafia state, although it would be nice if popular approval went down for once... as opposed to increasing nationalistic resentment which have always been more prevalent than westerners might guess
alkostach 02.24.22	parksungjoon if you had read my suggestion, you'd know, that I said Russia and Oligarchs particularly should be sanctioned out of this fooking planet and that should have happened before this all happened. But you're obviously too busy offending me instead of reading what I actually said. I find it particularly hilarious, that people who suggest the "peaceful" solution can't even write a sentence without calling their interlocutor "moron", all the same, all the time. @madrigal30 You don't even realize, who has the biggest military power, the most money and the biggest influence right now in the world. And it's certainly not USA. USA have shown countless signs of deterioration in external affairs over many years now. The examples of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan are only the most recent ones. Power shows not only that you have resources, you also have the ability to use them. USA left Afghanistan because of religious militia and over half of people of Afghanistan suffer famine now. If you can't get a grip in Afghanistan, how you gonna stop Russians.
Drifter 02.24.22	"I find it particularly hilarious, that people who suggest the "peaceful" solution can't even write a sentence without calling their interlocutor "moron", all the same, all the time." triggered!
claygurnz 02.24.22	Boris Johnson is secretly loving this shit - he gets to play Churchill
alkostach 02.24.22	yeah, but he ain't got the style of Churchill.
claygurnz 02.24.22	^ No shit
parksungjoon 02.24.22	>I find it particularly hilarious, that people who suggest the "peaceful" solution can't even write a sentence without calling their interlocutor "moron", all the same, all the time. i am not suggesting a peaceful solution, there is no simple fucking solution, if you cannot even read please just do everyone a favour and stop posting. >You don't even realize, who has the biggest military power, the most money and the biggest influence right now in the world. And it's certainly not USA. lol. please, log off, read a book
alkostach 02.24.22	the haircut is dope tho
parksungjoon 02.24.22	just stop posting. you are making everyone here stupider when you say this and some gullible americans might even believe you
parksungjoon 02.24.22	>parksungjoon if you had read my suggestion, you'd know, that I said Russia and Oligarchs particularly should be sanctioned out of this fooking planet and that should have happened before this all happened. But you're obviously too busy offending me instead of reading what I actually said. then what's the fucking point in engaging here at all and taking shots at people for no reason? bringing up irrelevant shit and getting triggered when people rightly call you a moron for it... while believing the USA doesn't have the biggest military power... it's fantasy hour
parksungjoon 02.24.22	literally just posting nonsensical antagonistic anti-west garbage? about how the west didnt do enough to wipe your shitty ass and put you in a safety diaper? and apparently it's bad somehow that they put some effort into emancipating their people compared to most of us fucking bible thumping backwaters in EE, instead of warmongering like its the stone age?
alkostach 02.24.22	well, we've all seen that power in Afghanistan lately, before that in Syria. It's all the power all the way.
parksungjoon 02.24.22	yes, almost like waging war halfway across the world with little popular support from your own citizens is a bad idea! curious! you are very smart!
alkostach 02.24.22	"with little popular support from your own citizens" wow, you're getting to the point when you almost realize where the lack of power comes from!
parksungjoon 02.24.22	what lack of power? the USA is the only country that has ever exerted such strong military power that far away from home for that long. the fact that they did not succeed, and only made a mess every time going back to vietnam too, does not change the fact that they are the strongest military power. there is no way to be "more powerful" without the direct usage of nukes or without full wartime production and conscription. russia does not have to exert itself anywhere near as much to have an influence over the middle east, let alone to take over non-NATO EE countries. this is not the same as having the strongest military. its simple geographical and logistical reality, which putin has no problems exploiting. syria was testing the waters in its own way too
Sinternet 02.24.22	on what metric are we claiming who is the biggest military power? not sure why it's even relevant to this, but even if the us is supposedly the biggest, china is closing the gap quickly. and geographical influence massively plays a part on the 'power' of a country's military, it's exactly the reason why china has been rapidly increasing its sphere of influence in south asia and africa, to gain soft power and influence.
protokute 02.24.22	how sad is it to think that a nuclear attack is even a possibility in 2022, people are mad and if we weren't buried in enough shit through these last few years. fuck you putin.
Sinternet 02.24.22	like the whole cold war and battle for global supremacy was fought on the basis of expanding geopolitical influence between the us and russia
parksungjoon 02.24.22	>on what metric are we claiming who is the biggest military power? not sure why it's even relevant to this dunno, i was just responding to blind "muh west isnt strong enough" nonsense >but even if the us is supposedly the biggest, china is closing the gap quickly manpower maybe, $$$ and R&D nowhere even close, i wonder if the bulk of chinese military is still derived from "monkey models" of the USSR lol >and geographical influence massively plays a part on the 'power' of a country's military, it's exactly the reason why china has been rapidly increasing its sphere of influence in south asia and africa, to gain soft power and influence. this was the whole point of my post yes, putin can freely play around in his backyard and there is nothing the USA can do about it at this point without leading to nuclear war. ironically for the new guy who claimed putin is drunk with power, his moves have all been pretty carefully calculated leading up to this. strategically theres nothing stupid in taking what you can when you know your opponents hands are practically tied. ukraine isn't even in NATO, as long as it doesn't end up a complete and utter holocaust no one will want to intervene. he knows EU countries have been salty about USA playing world police. he knows US citizens are salty about wasting lives and money in the middle east. for a sociopathic imperialist what he's doing is both a flex and a freebie essentially
alkostach 02.24.22	parksungjoon Power to make any decisions or take any actions. Russians or Chinese can decide and act in seconds, because they are ruled by dictators. Western countries need to go trough endless procedures and everything needs to be approved by dozens of instances. And what's worse with no public support, everything crumbles. And even in face of war, which has now started, European leaders can't come to any kind of agreement. They debate over SWIFT instead of acting and deciding. All accounts of all Russian oligarchs and all their estates in Europe should be under custody by now. But before anything happens the money will be somewhere in Switzerland or Cayman Islands. Just read some stuff that Klitschko and Zelensky said. They were asking for sanctions for months now. They were asking for defensive weapons and gear. They got 5000 helmets from Germans and planes from other countries carrying help were disallowed from flying over Germany. How this was handled by the West is a huge disappointment. By this I mean - West made it to Putin clear - you can do whatever you want, we don't care. Sinternet at the current rate I'd even fear, that China will take over most of Sub-Saharan Africa before 2050 by some puppet governments that are financially and economically dependent. Internal problems of USA lead to the point when it is more focused on itself then the affairs in the rest of the world. China and Russia tolerate each other's actions, which puts USA and Europe against two most unpredictable and power hungry dictatorships. I'm even afraid that should there be some kind of intervention, China will step in. I just can't understand why the sanctions weren't imposed weeks ago and still aren't. Now Ukraine is pretty much gone. I hope I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure I'm not.
alkostach 02.24.22	"as long as it doesn't end up a complete and utter holocaust no one will want to intervene" As past experiences thought us, this also does not have to mean anything. Just check about Srebrenica massacre. NATO soldiers where basically witnessing mass rape of woman and massacre of thousands of boys and men and did absolutely nothing.
parksungjoon 02.24.22	>Russians or Chinese can decide and act in seconds, because they are ruled by dictators. Western countries need to go trough endless procedures and everything needs to be approved by dozens of instances. And what's worse with no public support, everything crumbles. if you think this is a problem, are you suggesting those countries need to be more dictatorial? unfortunately for this simple mindset, there are no good guys and bad guys, every country is out for its own interest in the end and the well-being of its own citizens takes precedence over vague ideas of global justice, especially in the nuclear era. >And even in face of war, which has now started, European leaders can't come to any kind of agreement. sure, its all theatre, the decision is ultimately that they wont do shit because they cant do shit without escalating, and if they escalate no one wins. that was the whole point of my post. you are viewing things through the simplicity of the pre-1945 era. furthermore, if sanctions were imposed before boots-on-the-ground aggression it would be trivial for putin to spin it to his citizens as Muh West trying to bully russia into submission thus gaining even more popular support. i apologise for being rude before but you are simply looking at things through a much too narrow and idealistic lens, and shots you take at other countries do nothing to improve the situation. there are many people who could be convinced that sanctions are a deliberate anti-russian move, to do it sooner would only reinforce this. at the same time, people posting online about how sanctions aren't enough or too late, are also reinforcing nationalists' idea that the west is weak and they should do whatever they want. you came in here using their same rhetoric, even if you don't support them. think about that for a second. >Internal problems of USA lead to the point when it is more focused on itself then the affairs in the rest of the world. yeah, because surely what we need is more CIA destabilising of latin america, africa and the middle east...
parksungjoon 02.24.22	>As past experiences thought us, this also does not have to mean anything. Just check about Srebrenica massacre. NATO soldiers where basically witnessing mass rape of woman and massacre of thousands of boys and men and did absolutely nothing. this is true. all the more reason against supporting an intervention
Senetrix666 02.24.22	jeremiah a fringe group of haters is not the same thing as a militant group who works with the Ukrainian government and is funded by the U.S. im not pro-russia and i think ukraine should be a sovereign nation, but i think there's a growing faction of fascist nationalists in Ukraine that should raise some concerns as well.
Egarran 02.24.22	We're going to need you hotheads to make some predictions for the next days, so we can see who actually got it right. woah Denmark is sending two F-16s to Poland FEAR US RUSSIA
parksungjoon 02.24.22	>jeremiah a fringe group of haters is not the same thing as a militant group who works with the Ukrainian government and is funded by the U.S. do you believe that the quasi-ethno-historical reasons for russia's annexation of crimea in 2014 are "right" or "just"? maybe you should start there if you want to decry fascist nationalism that badly. other than that yes, much of europe has been having a nationalist problem lately, especially in the east where we are poor and poorly educated rest assured though if putin has his way there wont be a concern about that group you brought up for no reason lol
Egarran 02.24.22	How do you think this will end?
deathofasalesman 02.24.22	this whole situation sucks, and it gives me mad anxiety
deathofasalesman 02.24.22	this will never end. if russia forcefully annexes ukraine, it's gonna bring even more problems, not just for the ukranian people who definitely don't want this, but for international relations
alkostach 02.24.22	>if you think this is a problem, are you suggesting those countries need to be more dictatorial? not at all, democracy is the only way to go but it is intrinsically inert and slow which does not help exercising power, even if you have any. >every country is out for its own interest in the end and the well-being of its own citizens takes precedence over vague ideas of global justice this is obvious and taking into account how near the borders of EU and NATO this is happening it's shortsighted. In the near future we'll see if the same thing happens in the Baltic Countries, than Poland, maybe Finland, maybe Romania. That's where this is heading now. >if sanctions were imposed before boots-on-the-ground aggression it would be trivial for putin to spin it to his citizens Sanctions should be aimed at the Oligarchs and their billions. I've said that a lot of times already. Oligarchs rule the country together with Putin. If they hurt, Putin hurts. >think about that for a second. I have even for two. And in a country where the only media is propaganda media this doesn't matter. Any reason can be used and that's what actually has happened, some stupid bullshit was named as an excuse to invade. >the west is weak (this is out of context, I know) I think it's not an accident that this happens when the USA President barely won the election and it's already pretty sure he won't be reelected and Germany has a new government that's already unpopular among Germans. West is weak and divided. >yeah, because surely what we need is more CIA destabilising of latin america, africa and the middle east... you know exactly what I meant. USA has enough of it's own problems and it won't act because of the second biggest country in Europe being invaded. And you know what's the saddest thing? You ever heard of the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances? Basically USA and Great Britain offered Ukraine "security assurances" in exchange for getting rid-off any nuclear weapons. As we see now, word given by the West is worthless. Maybe you can recognize now why I give the West so much shit.
rockarollacola 02.24.22	Can't wait to get drafted.
Storm In A Teacup 02.24.22	I’m not sure if I should be happy or sad I watched Don’t Look Up earlier this week.
Storm In A Teacup 02.24.22	I love y’all! Hope none of you die in war !
parksungjoon 02.24.22	>Sanctions should be aimed at the Oligarchs and their billions. I've said that a lot of times already. Oligarchs rule the country together with Putin. If they hurt, Putin hurts. absolutely. and the corollary is that there is no meaningful way to hurt them that wont have the russian military thrown at you or worse. if russia can no longer trade as much with the EU they'll have plenty of clients throughout asia. china obviously also benefits from worsened relations between russia and EU/NATO/US but yeah everything has always been about oligarchs and their power, just look at US-Saudi relations lol. it was never about peace or justice or anything like that
rufinthefury 02.24.22	I have a friend protesting against the war in St. Petersburg and as of 30 minutes ago they've started cracking down. I just hope he's safe and kept his face covered the whole time. Fuck Putin. USA is imposing some good sanctions for once.
Storm In A Teacup 02.24.22	This is very sad. Poland is working really hard right now to help Ukrainians. 🥰 Thank you Poland 🇵🇱
alkostach 02.24.22	>but yeah everything has always been about oligarchs and their power, just look at US-Saudi relations lol. it was never about peace or justice or anything like that I have not undermined this nor do I doubt that this is true. I know quite well how the world works and why it is how it is. I come from a home, where keeping your promises and adhering to your word is the most important thing, even if it is a thing you regret in the end and this is a quality that I respect even if it's outdated and doesn't fit with the machiavellian reality of the modern world. USA and Great Britain have given Ukraine a promise in Budapest in 1994. By not acting they have not kept this promise and ultimately betrayed the people of Ukraine. And this betrayal happens for the second time in a matter of 8 years, first time being the annexation of Crimea in 2014. I fear that this time Ukraine will cease to exist. This will be the ultimate betrayal. Big words from a small mind.
alkostach 02.24.22	and as a finishing word, after I have calmed down a bit, I'd want to apologies to anyone who might have been offended by what I've written. It was not my intention to offend any of the citizens of any of the Western countries. We don't need to agree on any of the social matters but I should have restrained my language more and stay in the topic instead of meandering to some unrelated topics.
rufinthefury 02.24.22	Ukraine as we know it will cease to exist, but I doubt Putin desires annexation. He'll demilitarize the country and install his own puppet government and leave. But for now Ukraine is still standing and fighting. The Russian people are protesting against the war. It's the one shining moment of hope still, I hope it lasts.
Storm In A Teacup 02.24.22	You’re fine alko, going off topic is a favorite of United States citizens.
DocSportello 02.24.22	Vladimir Putin is a psychopath, and everyone knows it. But the past few weeks have found him emboldened by a twisted "antifa" rhetoric. Trump's boner for Putin's language games shouldn't surprise anyone. It isn't scandalous, it's just reality coming into relief. I was raised in a highly conservative Christian family, and one of the key phrases my mother kept reiterating was to "think for myself." Which was great advice because once you think for yourself and identify gaps or generalized dogma on the TV, slippery and unethical ambiguities issuing from the mouths of people you'd been told were heroes of democracy, you see things a bit more clearly. Right now, the international community seems to be in a fugue state of comprehension. Democracy is broken. America is broken. We're a petri dish for right-and-left-wing extremist coagulation. And in large part this is the fault of left-wing philosophers (namely the neo-pragmatist liberal bourgeois, who submit that the proliferation of language games and thought groups should be met with mere acquiescence, that such is the postmodern life). But that was so irresponsible. Stanley Fish, Richard Rorty, and the like have effectively killed inquiry into the possibility of some transcendental pragmatics. It's cheesy, the whole "come together" mentality, and I'm not saying that's what needs to happen. But we need to do away with this bullshit sense of whateverness peddled by thinkers since the late 70s
chemicalmarriage 02.24.22	Yep fuck this piece of shit and anyone fighting for him
Anthracks 02.25.22	from what i've read the protesters are being arrested by the thousands
TheAntichrist 02.25.22	fvck vladmir cus vlad the impaler was cooler
ToSmokMuzyki 02.25.22	damn seeing the real park for once bros this conflict isnt going to end by the powers of the us, eu, or any other military action, its gonna end right here, because of this exact thread
ToSmokMuzyki 02.25.22	putin will get bored and want to listen to some death metal. googling it he will see this site is called sputnik and think it must be tight, and inevitably seeing this thread constantly on the first page he will click, reading your comments he will admit how silly it all is and the world will be saved
DocSportello 02.25.22	The thing is, that's not impossible, or parts of it
Dedes 02.25.22	Good luck my brothers in Ukraine. Idk which if you live there but I trust you'll endure. Wouldn't be the first time that Russia has called the curtain down.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 02.25.22	Oh dear, parks mask has come off again
rufinthefury 02.25.22	I have a friend via Discord who lives in St. Petersburg and was out protesting, posting photos. Actively tweeting as well. Really really hope he took precautions to hide his face and he cant be linked to his online account, but damn he's a hero to me. A very brave man at least to protest against Putin's war in his very own home city. At least we all saw it, the international community saw their anti-war protest.
Kompys2000 02.25.22	Worrisome that Putin seems dead-set on a war that if we're being realistic is basically impossible for him to win. Russia will either be strangled by sanctions or beaten into submission by NATO, and all anyone will have to show for it is a whole lot of misery and suffering
parksungjoon 02.25.22	idk i have never shied away from criticising both US and Putin's respective imperialism >I was raised in a highly conservative Christian family, and one of the key phrases my mother kept reiterating was to "think for myself." Which was great advice because once you think for yourself and identify gaps or generalized dogma on the TV, slippery and unethical ambiguities issuing from the mouths of people you'd been told were heroes of democracy, you see things a bit more clearly. Right now, the international community seems to be in a fugue state of comprehension. Democracy is broken. America is broken. We're a petri dish for right-and-left-wing extremist coagulation. And in large part this is the fault of left-wing philosophers (namely the neo-pragmatist liberal bourgeois, who submit that the proliferation of language games and thought groups should be met with mere acquiescence, that such is the postmodern life). get your brain damage out of this thread mate, you dont have the foggiest
Flugmorph 02.25.22	lmao this guy
Relinquished 02.25.22	I like this side of park lol
dedex 02.25.22	yah me too
Egarran 02.25.22	I also think this is the fault of the neo-pragmatist liberal bourgeoisie.
Demon of the Fall 02.25.22	I say don't fuck Putin he's probably got a tiny dick
Egarran 02.25.22	never put your dick in crazy
Demon of the Fall 02.25.22	wise words just thought I'd add some nuance to the conversation
Artuma 02.25.22	"Sanctions should be aimed at the Oligarchs and their billions. I've said that a lot of times already. Oligarchs rule the country together with Putin. If they hurt, Putin hurts." with time, yes, but they won't be stopping that psycho in the short term. also whatever hurts russia will hurt the western world too, and that makes things even more difficult. i'm absolutely flabbergasted about scholz's statement on not wanting to close russia out of swift, seriously how fucking selfish dipshit do you have to be to not do everything in your power to stop putin? but it looks like that's the sad reality with eu leaders
Egarran 02.25.22	I hope the world leaders follow this thread for advice.
dedex 02.25.22	macron's too busy relocating the champions league finals to paris
someone 02.25.22	Not following up any particular point of discussion here, but I just want to point out a few things: 1. A large chunk of Russian population lives cut off from the rest and often with no means of accessing information or even the internet. Many have no phones and can even be illiterate (but don't take this as if we were talking in terms of hundreds of thousands). Some of my relatives live in old-school factory towns and kolkhoz type villages, where their only source of information is a TV with one or two federal channels, a TV that is owned by a minority of population. Their understanding of who the president is and who to vote comes from their boss, who tells them every election season "here are your ballots, fill out these names and sign, then go back to work." Putin is a Tsar, omnipotent ruler, whose presence is merely recognised, but not really understood. That's where the illusion of his popularity comes from. He didn't have to fool the whole nation, because a good portion of it has no means of even entertaining the idea of alternative. 2. Putin's regime was in its twilight. The invasion is both a way to slow down his fall. But it can be a way to accelerate it too. THIS IS IMPORTANT: Putin's main in-state nemesis, Alexey Navalny, is at this very moment being sentenced to 15 years of solitary confinement, effectively rendering his power impotent and thanks to the invasion his sentencing ignored. Had there been no invasion, there would have been great civil protest, maybe even more violent and lethal to the regime than we've seen before. The opposition certainly was prepared to start it. I have not seen a single article in any language I speak (apart from Russian opposition sites) mention Navalny's court case. The only person capable of mobilising a sizeable resistance to Putin inside Russia is being silenced in a sham hearing with half his legal team, by means of half-false and half-forced confessions made under pressure. 3. It has been repeatedly shown to Putin that the world would not react to his moves. That is why his army currently in Ukraine is barely half the size of Ukrainian mobilised forces. He knows he doesn't need more, because nobody will come and do anything about it. 4. This also poses a perfect shelter for other insurrections around the world, as most people will not notice it. China might take Taiwan any minute now. Azerbaijan might take Armenia any minute now. Kazakhstan might instill extreme measures to suppress its opposition. The same goes for Myanmar. Israel might move to definitively secure their stranglehold of Palestine. North Korea might do some poking too. Fuck knows what can happen in the Middle East at this point.
someone 02.25.22	And please, please, please do not forget that Putin is not Russia. But do not forget that Putin is also not alone in this. Lavrov, Shaigu, the platoons of propagandists and countless goons in ministries and the government are all to blame too.
Grungil 02.25.22	Thanks for all that information someone. Good to see someone with clear speach about difficult subjets.
Drifter 02.25.22	i think if we just ignore it it'll just go away
Storm In A Teacup 02.25.22	Putin got on television a few hours ago and called for the Ukrainian military to overthrow the drug addled Neo Nazi Ukrainian Government that has overtaken the citizens of Ukraine’s government.
Grungil 02.25.22	So there is drugs involved too?
Storm In A Teacup 02.25.22	Yes he said the government of Ukraine were on a lot of drugs twice in less than one minute.
Grungil 02.25.22	hum.. Downers or Stimulats?
Storm In A Teacup 02.25.22	That is quite a picture though. Imagine the top Ukrainian officials have been poppong adderal every 8 hours for a week without sleeping.
Storm In A Teacup 02.25.22	Let me go look at the exact verbage. One of the two times his verbage was "drug addled"
Grungil 02.25.22	So Putin is battling a war on drugs? Does he even know the band?
Storm In A Teacup 02.25.22	Drug addled and drug addicts
Storm In A Teacup 02.25.22	https://youtu.be/dTw3hWa3E8M
Purpl3Spartan 02.25.22	There are tons of Russians where I live. I wonder what their takes of the situation are
Grungil 02.25.22	The rumors about fake images in kiev are flotting on internet. Comments, Stormy?
Egarran 02.25.22	Good post, someone. >do not forget that Putin is also not alone in this Yeah it seems the Duma and the security council are also cool with this.
Storm In A Teacup 02.25.22	I have no idea. Just that you can't 100% trust much and have to be careful
TheAntichrist 02.25.22	park is reminding me of jordan peterson right now
Pheromone 02.25.22	omg this thread lmao
DoofDoof 02.25.22	Putin “drugs are bad m’kay…nuke nuke nuke!”
Egarran 02.25.22	>park is reminding me of jordan peterson right now Could be either a sick burn or a statement of love.
Dedes 02.26.22	God this is harrowing. They've been targeting kindergartens with shells. This was already a horrific incident but the total disregard for any life, no matter how innocent, is abhorrent.
alkostach 02.26.22	The EBU said: “The Eurovision Song Contest is a non-political cultural event which unites nations and celebrates diversity through music.” “EBU members in both Russia and Ukraine have committed to participating in this year’s event in Turin and we are currently planning to welcome artists from both countries to perform in May.” This shit is being stated by European Broadcasting Union as civilians are being bombarded and Russian tanks enter Kiev. WTF? How fucking out of touch with the reality can you be? Source https://wiwibloggs.com/2022/02/24/ebu-says-russia-is-welcome-at-eurovision-2022-but-swedens-tv-boss-asks-them-to-change-course/270271/
someone 02.26.22	The Syrian president, in his typical cuntiness, has said that the invasion was good and that Putin was correcting the history.
alkostach 02.26.22	There are Russian rockets hitting houses in Kiev and there are casualties among civilians. And the world is watching another genocide. This is beyond any words. Just ban those Russian scumbags out of everything, cut everything, sanction everything etc. I read earlier today that some veteran KGB scumbags are casually sitting in Norway harbors on their multi million yachts smoking cigars. What kind of solidarity is this? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMgPODWXIAEoq16?format=jpg&name=small
alkostach 02.26.22	China is also content, they see nobody gives a shit and gonna do the same to Taiwan.
StormChaser 02.26.22	Hey at least Putin abolished covid seriously tho, hope this madness ends soon and all sputlads stay alive and unharmed much love
alkostach 02.26.22	"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has turned down an offer from the United States of evacuation from the capital city Kyiv, the Ukraine embassy in Britain said Saturday on Twitter. According to the embassy, Zelensky told the US: "The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride."" Well, this is probably the bravest man on the planet right now. He's the main target, he's the symbol of democracy, freedom and promise of a better future for the people of Ukraine. Once he would flee Ukraine would probably give up within hours. He's the guy who needs to answer the toughest questions. Whether it is worth to fight to the bitter end or not, and if not when is the time to give up. An this guy was a comedian a few years back. He's certainly not without flaws, but when it came to it, he stepped up.
Egarran 02.26.22	I feel you would do better on Twitter.
StormChaser 02.26.22	fucking right on man's a hero, fuck I wish this will be over soon, it's heartbreaking stuff
Frost15 02.26.22	I'm sorry folks but Europe (aka USA run continent) is no better than Putin's Russia. I hate them all. Hope people realize someday the big lie we live in. Fuck Putin, Fuck Biden, fuck the European puppets, fuck them all and fuck this insane system where it's easier to have internet than real, good food.
StormChaser 02.26.22	I agree with your general sentiment but I'd much rather be systematically lied to in a western country than imprisoned for my opinion in an eastern one.
alkostach 02.26.22	>I'm sorry folks but Europe (aka USA run continent) is no better than Putin's Russia. Yeah of course, because gulags, no freedom of speech or press, no right to protest are the biggest problems of EU and USA. EU and USA are not perfect by any means, but saying they are no better than Russia (or China or any Arabic State or North Korea etc.) is insanity.
Eons 02.26.22	at least you didn't say fuck all russians, I had been reading a lot of dumb Americans online just trashing every Russian citizen which is bizarre. Also it isn't true that nobody is helping Ukraine, UK have been substantially involved in arming them and supporting them. Its worth keeping in mind though that although Russian government are tyrants, Ukraine has never had a decent, honest politician in forever now. They are all bought and sold and corrupt, Ukraine have suffered from that for years now which didn't help.
Frost15 02.26.22	There is no freedom of speech or press here either! I could give you many examples but I fear the repercusions so I won't... The thing is western countries managed to mask their tiranny very wisely, giving people all kinds of commodities and stupid modern day tech gagdets to keep the people under the illusion of progress and "freedom" when in fact we are more stupid, dependant and disabled than ever before. All this while they are gaining control of the food industry among others and turning it into shit, depriving the self-made man of self-sufficiency via increasing taxes, state size and state derived jobs. On the other hand comparing Russia to China is ridiculous. China and North Korea are dictatorships with obvious violations of human decency but even in those places they have way better policies when it comes to certain areas. In any case I hate them all. The elite treat us all like shit and we are being narcotized through technology, tv shows, videogames... Aldous Huxley's Brave New World prologue (1947 edition if I recall right) is a huge revelation when it comes to what the social engineers wanted our societies to become... But don't listen to me, I'm just a madman.
someone 02.26.22	"I could give you many examples but I fear the repercusions so I won't" bruh do you live in Moldovia or sth?
Egarran 02.26.22	Frost just taking this to a new level.
ToSmokMuzyki 02.26.22	hear hear!
StormChaser 02.26.22	I mean most of that is true Frost, but your anger sounds teenage and like it's coming from someone who just learned all of this and is dismissing the nuances between the parties you're talking about. You're also hypocrite (as we all are) because you're literally using those commodities and tech to write this stuff. If you really want to make a statement, forego that shit and go live on a self-sustainable farm somewhere w/o all of the amenities and commodities that corrupt us or try making a meaningful change toward bettering the food in your local area or something. We are enslaved in a way, but again, just being able to write this shit means you aren't doing that bad are you. I'm not saying you should be happy about the situation or content with it, I'm just trying to get you to act on your anger instead of posting on a thread
ToSmokMuzyki 02.26.22	beer beer!
Frost15 02.26.22	I've been trying to do that Storm. But the fu*** plandemic situation messed me up completely money wise. I sound just like I am right now (altough I always was very discontent with the way things work), angry, having to ration food and working my ass off to get just a few $ that barely let me survive. I won't elaborate on my private life but when I say it's easier to have internet and all of this shit than to eat properly I'm not even kidding. Last week I worked for 10 hours every single day loading and unloading trucks. It's the first job I was able to get in 6 months and I'm not that young anymore. I see where this is going and I see how all this worked out, who is benefiting, etc... I was always an avid reader and observer of reality, but it doesn't matter. You are right, I'm a hypocrite for using this tech to express myself and communicate, but it's sadly the only way to communicate with most people nowadays and who knows... maybe something of what I say makes someone question things someday. On real life I do act a lot, altough I won't elaborate on it because again I fear the repercusions. We don't live in a free world at all... A week ago I had to hunt in a "first world" country to have food and to be honest I enjoyed it, realizing I was able to feed myself, but at the same time it made me laugh at the whole illusion and state dependant society we live in. If I had been caught hunting I would have been put behind bars for illegal activities, so much for a free world. And all this while I'm being denied my unemployment pay after contributing for 10 years. I sound and I am angry but at the same time I feel truly free to see the true face of this corrupt, illusory system based on lies, usury and castes.
zakalwe 02.26.22	Frost is spot on. You can’t let it being you down though. There’s absolutely fuck all you can do about it. Nothing. The one thing you can do no matter how stamped out it may appear to be is live, laugh, love, hold on to your soul and realise we are living in a moment of time that given past history is still better than how millions have previous lives have lived. Appreciate what you have.
Assemblage 02.26.22	I don't want to start any shit, but if people with the views and outlook like Frost didn't say anything because they were off on farmland direly avoiding any hypocrisy in our 21st century madhouse, how often would the point be brought up? It would just be shoveled away into non-existence and skew the perspective/conflict of freedom vs control and imo it's still somewhat necessary in the discourse. Not trying to take anything away from any of the important matters that have already been said by the way.
benkim 02.26.22	Not a Westerner but watching white people become angry about this likr they give a shit at all about other country's sovereignty is quite hilarious and infuriating at the same time. The West has pretty much become the pinnacle of hypocrisy. It is insane.
Frost15 02.26.22	@benkim I'm white and I think exactly like you. It's completely ridiculous, but we are brainwashed from a very early age by movies, series (now netflix), our education system's history lessons are laughable at best, etc... I have african friends and always have a good laugh about our hipocrisy and virtue signaling when stuff like this happens. Most people are just so powerless that use these type of attitudes to feel better about themselves. It's a complex topic but I summed it up. @zakalwe You are right, and I try to laugh and love, but it just gets harder and harder. I feel most people are broken inside, unconsciously deppressed and addicted to alcohol and technology that allows them to fly away from a reality they never tried to even comprehend because they were taught to be afraid, and given the way I am I find pretty difficult to find people who do still enjoy things like sunbathing, playing board games, eating good quality raw meat and other natural activities. Relationships are getting harder and harder because most women are fucked up, dating apps have messed up everything... I feel completely disoriented in this world but trust me I'm still trying. I have a few friends and precisely today I met a very nice girl and enjoyed a day outside walking and eating raw meat so I'm sure there are still interesting people who feel like me.
zakalwe 02.26.22	Nothing brightens the day like gnawing on raw meat. You’re already living in the apocalypse mate lol.
Frost15 02.26.22	hahaha, It's better than it sounds! I love raw meat, it healed me a lot back in the day.
ToSmokMuzyki 02.26.22	lol benkim be like white ppl bad 'eating raw meat' wait what
benkim 02.26.22	99.9999% of white people I've met are unaware flag bearers and cheerleaders for that shit. In the global south, we've all come to the conclusion that there are no allies in the West. They will always want to keep the rest of the world subservient and poor. At this point it is obvious the West is completely irredeemable. Even Bush and Obama have the absolute balls to speak about this when the latter turned Libya into a slave market for people from my continent and started the worst jihadist problem the Sahel has ever seen. I'm absolutely disgusted that piece of shit has roots from my country. All he did is put a smiley face and a black face on American imperialism.
ToSmokMuzyki 02.26.22	well at least ur based about obama may as well just nuke all whites tbh
conesmoke 02.26.22	Vlad Vlad Why so mad? Your suits look new But don't fit you Just buy another Tailor made This is no reason to invade But you'll do you And I'll do me And hope that you will one day see That with a little sympathy Earth's big enough for you and me
Frost15 02.26.22	Yeah, keep dropping the truth bombs benkim. Or the fact that European goverments (again, USA puppets) used Somalia as their nuclear waste graveyard (through the Italian mafia boats) and then put 'Captain Philips' on the big screen to make us see how "bad" Somali pirates were bla bla (they were forced to become criminals when all the fish were killed and their family members started to die from cancer and malformations(search for pictures and maybe when you see them you will wonder why during your whole life you saw 10000 pictures from the holocaust but none of those)). The west is disgusting, but it's not a matter of skin color my friend, it's all cultural background and upbringing. That's why they need to talk about the evil nazis and all that stuff related to the WWII and the short moustache guy who died more than 60 years ago, to point to the scarecrow so that everyone will look elsewhere instead of thinking about what is going on right now.
benkim 02.26.22	I'll clarify the race reference. You can bomb and kill non-white people all you want but as soon as you start doing the same thing to white Ukrainians, it is an absolute travesty worthy of everyone's attention. Everyone is all up in arms about that unacceptable atrocity. Quite subtle but it is obvious how little non-white lives are worth to people in the West. Their exploitation, killing and suffering is barely worth a footnote. People are too accustomed to have accepted that as their plight and are so ready to turn a blind eye when their countries inflict political, economic, and military violence on those people.
benkim 02.26.22	ToSmok: Not all cultures share the same values and bloodlust even people that have inflicted atrocities on them.
ToSmokMuzyki 02.26.22	yea not a single white person cares about bidens withdrawal from afghanistan or what happens to taiwan. oh and the uighurs can just go fuck themselves
Frost15 02.26.22	I don't think there are different races but ethnics benkim. And again, it's not a matter of skin color. It's cultural. If Ukraine was populated by blacks it would receive the same attention because of its geopolitical ubication. It's all a matter of the chess square position on the board, it's not about the square color. Of course you have racist bigots like KKK and such but from a modern point of view it's mostly not like that altough I understand your comment and what you are trying to say, which I share in its core.
ToSmokMuzyki 02.26.22	couldnt understand half of what u just said but i will point out that the kkk was founded by bidens party js
benkim 02.26.22	Smok: You literally are not worth wasting my time on if you are able to miss the point that badly.
ToSmokMuzyki 02.26.22	im surprised u'd bother wasting ur time on here at all also right back at ya baby
benkim 02.26.22	Frost: there's certainly that aspect really proven right here with Smok's last comment.
ToSmokMuzyki 02.26.22	i bring ppl together
Egarran 02.26.22	Yeah I'm afraid this benkim/tosmok alliance was doomed to fail. You guys are not exactly on the same level.
CaliggyJack 02.26.22	Bruh Ukraine looking like they're gonna pull a Battle of Britain 2.0
CaliggyJack 02.26.22	LMAO So the Chechen army has now begun assisting Russia in the invasion. Only 24 hrs later the general of their most elite unit was killed in action. Bro this is humiliating for Russia.
Grungil 02.26.22	Unification. Thats what you get when you kill the opposition general. Remember the movie Highlanders? Its the same process.
conesmoke 02.27.22	Does anyone else wonder why the Kremlin looks like Agrabah? I'm sorry but starting wars from a candy cane palace just makes ya look dumb as fuck
conesmoke 02.27.22	The only "streets" Putin knows are the icypoles lining the walls of those fluoro dildo towers he loves so much
Eakflanderyof 02.27.22	Kremlings > Kremlin
benkim 02.28.22	@Frost: despite all the news stories of frankly predictable and disgusting media houses expressing without any sort of self awareness that they are horrified white people are experiencing war, do you still think race has nothing to do with it? The Ukrainians (they can get fucked actually) are also throwing black people off evacuation trains in favor of you know who. My respect for the West was already at rock bottom but I've discovered that a basement exists.
benkim 02.28.22	And also, the treatment civilian Russians abroad are receiving has shown that it is acceptable to persecute people for the perceived crimes of their governments. I hope those cheering for that actually know what this means considering where they come from.
ArsMoriendi 02.28.22	I imagine that fucking Putin would be traumatic even if consensual
ToSmokMuzyki 02.28.22	damn this time next week more ppl on putins side than ukraine
Artuma 03.01.22	"And also, the treatment civilian Russians abroad are receiving has shown that it is acceptable to persecute people for the perceived crimes of their governments." while i absolutely believe these actions do more harm than good in both short and long term it's not about persecuting these individuals for other people's crimes, it's to turn them against their government for its crimes. it's questionable all the same, but nobody is putting any blame on the average russian individuals "And again, it's not a matter of skin color. It's cultural. If Ukraine was populated by blacks it would receive the same attention because of its geopolitical ubication." and absolutely amen. to think the reactions on this war are all about ukrainians being white, let alone finding this mayhem somehow entertaining really tells something about one there is quite literally a powerful nation attacking a european democracy on european soil, you really don't need to dig that deep to find the reasons behind the reactions
ToSmokMuzyki 03.01.22	careful u gonna trigger the anti white supremacist
Frost15 03.01.22	@Artuma agreed pal
rufinthefury 03.01.22	If Benkim thinks the backlash against people of Russian descent in other countries is bad now boy should they be thankful they werent a brown boy in the 2000s lmfao. Nobody is treating Russians badly anywhere, most people feel bad for them if anything.
Egarran 03.01.22	But we will fuck up their economy
Artuma 03.01.22	"But we will fuck up their economy" and our own. the idea is that if that can throw putin out of his position then it's worth it
InFlamesWeThrash666 03.01.22	"while i absolutely believe these actions do more harm than good in both short and long term it's not about persecuting these individuals for other people's crimes, it's to turn them against their government for its crimes." I highly doubt that will happen. If anything the whole "the west hates us" story will become way more believable now
Artuma 03.01.22	exactly why i said i think it will do more harm than good. just pointing out the reasoning behind it
Grungil 03.03.22	The difference between US and RUSSIA at war on drugs. Trump wanted a wall, Putin wants a country.
Egarran 03.03.22	He got a freshly armed Germany. Even Denmark is going to spend more on the military because of this, apparently for symbolic purposes. At least no one has been able to explain how a bigger military budget would have changed anything about this situation.
Grungil 03.04.22	Looks like Russia and Ukraine are getting close to a agreement based on colaborating to protect civilians so the fight against those "neo-nazis" carry on. My question is: What a "neo-nazi" looks like, according to Putin?
ToSmokMuzyki 03.04.22	this whole thing was just about eliminating drudkh and nokturnal mortum gj nazi hunters u singlehandedly caused ww3 smh
Storm In A Teacup 03.04.22	2014 when Ukraine Russia war started was the year Putin and his wife divorced..hmm..
Grungil 03.04.22	Remember when Apple music send that innofensive "U2Virus" to all their clients? This time, Apple, iTunes and all media platforms should send a identical virus showing videos from russian POW´s crying and talking to their mothers on the phone. The people in Russia need to know, somehow, what is really happening to their sons. If any member of Annonymous is reading this , just think about it.
zaruyache 03.04.22	that is not how cellphones work at all
Dewinged 03.04.22	France, Japan and Poland, as far as I know, are "evacuating" their citizens FROM RUSSIA. I don't know if we have any in-house Russian here but it would be interesting to know more about what's been said around there. Because if this is not a sign of a larger scale conflict I don't know what is.
FR33L0RD 03.04.22	World in a pivot crisis, attacking Nuclear power plants is always a colossally bad idea. Post modern nuclear terrorization, very very bad for everybody. Pure demagogy and tyranny in action, for everybody to see, so shameful. Peace out!
Dewinged 03.04.22	Definitely not looking good. The UK calling for a UN emergency meeting. This could get really nasty really quick for all Europe. I hope not.
EphemeralEternity 03.04.22	Which cretinous cunt gave the green light to assault a nuclear power station?
EphemeralEternity 03.04.22	Also, hypothetically in the best case if the sanctions and pressure got to Putin and he gave the order to completely withdraw from Ukraine immediately, what would be the ongoing repercussions? Would the world basically sweep it under the rug as that time Putin did a very naughty thing, like we've done before?
Dewinged 03.04.22	The only solution to this conflict is off'ng Putin and sealing his corpse until his rotten flesh is devoured by rats in a ditch. Then burn the rats.
DoofDoof 03.04.22	Dewi the problem is if one of his cronies or some equally militant crazy fills the vacuum left behind
Tunaboy45 03.04.22	he's just a pensioner with a napoleon complex, replace him and it'll probably be just as bad that said I really hope he fucking dies
Egarran 03.04.22	Poor innocent rats. Why hasn't Putin assassinated anyone?
Scheumke 03.04.22	For those interested, Dan Carlan has some interesting points in my opinion in his latest podcast. Now I'm a fan of the man to begin with and really respect his views, but I think all of us here share at least the basics with this: https://open.spotify.com/episode/43U1N6WBSHTSH6iXFyWHX2?si=lke6sj2RQV-q04KznYn99A&utm_source=copy-link
ToSmokMuzyki 03.04.22	>France...as far as I know, are "evacuating goddamn it france not helping ur stereotype they arent even on your border
EphemeralEternity 03.04.22	You do have to wonder though if poo tin, xi pigpen and kim jong illmatic were assassinated, would some equally verminous creature just crawl into their boots or would things moderate for a while.
ToSmokMuzyki 03.04.22	prob get an alexander the great situation
Viriathus 03.04.22	"The UK calling for a UN emergency meeting. " Would be great if the UN actually do something substantial. I have slight hopes, even if the UN's not exactly the most competent. Though I wouldn't be shocked if they end up not doing too much. "Dewi the problem is if one of his cronies or some equally militant crazy fills the vacuum left behind" Unfortunately the reality of shit like this.
Grungil 03.04.22	Thats one consequence of the sanctions, to weaken the next russian military generation. It worked on nazi germany after 1945, right?
bigweinerdon 03.04.22	Lets just let him take Ukraine and hopefully he fucks right off We'll still call it Ukraine regardless
Viriathus 03.04.22	"Lets just let him take Ukraine and hopefully he fucks right off" Some serious wishful thinking there if not being fully ironic.
Grungil 03.04.22	As long there is 1 Ukrainian alive in the world, that country will always be Ukraine. And all human will always have a little bit of Putin in us.
ToSmokMuzyki 03.04.22	id much rather have poutine in me
Egarran 03.04.22	You guys clearly know what's going on, so clear this up for me: Some sources says that the invasion is a fiasco and Russia has been embarrassed, others that it's not really begun yet and Russia will not face much resistance when they go all in. Both versions seem like wishful thinking.
Scheumke 03.04.22	From what I get from it is that both are true. I think Putin will take Ukraine in a couple of weeks at the most, will probably set up a puppet government then get the hell out again. Yet I think Putin completely misjudged the toughness of the Ukrainean people and the unity with which Nato basically sanctions Russia to bankrupcy and economic collapse in the long run. Not a country in the west will have anything to do with Russia for the next five years at least, making this invasion a disaster for Russia as a country. We don't know Putin's winconditions in this conflict though so who knows how it will turn out.
twlight 03.04.22	fuck politicians in general... you do realize this war started in 2014
twlight 03.04.22	dont trust a fucking word american media says... it's all bullshit
Muzz79 03.04.22	Can we agree its the beginning of the end for putin?
Scheumke 03.04.22	I don't twlight but lets think for ourselves yes. What does Russia as a whole or Putin personally have to gain by this move? He has slowly but surely been doing anything he wants for the last 20 years without serious repercusions, not completely unfairly figured Nato was devided and too scared for action. Now all of a sudden he lit a tinderbox that seems to blow up in his face from an international relations perspective. Honestly I just think he thought he could get away with it again without repercussions and didn't see this reaction coming at all, but it's too late to call off now.
Egarran 03.04.22	I heard several convincing analyses about his increasing insanity. Also it seems to be a thing humans do when they get too much power. Maybe some day in the far future, people will distribute power and wealth as much as possible. It sounds crazy, but it might work.
conesmoke 03.04.22	Oh it would be way better. Kinda like jury duty, large rotating groups of people making decisions for everyone, instead of corrupt decision making based on rich people agendas
Grungil 03.04.22	Putin could be a hero if he pull back 50% of troops, and left other 50% in Ukraine to help reconstruct the damage done. Neo-nazis will appear again as long anarchy runs on people´s mind. To recover from UN sanctions, Putin would sell all his possessions and give profits to Russia National Bank and charity. What a wonderful ending that would be. Disney style.
EphemeralEternity 03.05.22	I don't remember the reaction from the annexing or crimea or earlier incursions into Ukraine, but seeing footage of rockets being launched at a residential apartment complex and a 64km long convoy of war machines is hard to brush aside. But yeah I don't think he was anticipating this level of outcry, whether or not he cares I'm not sure
Storm In A Teacup 03.05.22	His twin boys with the Olympics lady are two years old he must ensure Grand Russian Empire for them to rule.
Storm In A Teacup 03.05.22	Poor Moldova. Their country only has 2 million people and they seem to be preparing.