Gyromania: Hogwarts Legacy

Gyromania 02.14.23	I’ve got some issues with it but overall it’s the best HP game by a mile
pizzamachine 02.14.23	2 busy with Halo
Flugmorph 02.14.23	I really dislike Harry Potter even though I read all the books and watched all the movies in my youth. I also fucking hate rowling, there, thats my take.
Colton 02.14.23	buddy's fuckin gunnin for it today lol
unclereich 02.14.23	loving it so far!
Gyromania 02.14.23	How far are you?
zaruyache 02.14.23	is that the game where you do blood libel against the bolshevik 'goblins'
Gyromania 02.14.23	They aren’t goblins?
Kompys2000 02.14.23	This is a music website
Flugmorph 02.14.23	gyro wants to engage in highly intellectual discourse again, clearly.
Gyromania 02.14.23	I’d like to talk about a video game if ur cool with that
zaruyache 02.14.23	there's a lot of subtle parallels to bolshevik jews that seem coincidental until you remember rowling is a dipshit so they're probably intended lol
Gyromania 02.14.23	I don’t think she had anything to do with this game, right? Pretty sure she just gets royalties
DadKungFu 02.14.23	The idea that a Harry Potter game, based on literally the most politically milquetoast series in history, is somehow chock full of antisemitic dogwhistles is hilarious
unclereich 02.14.23	I’m an hour in @gyro. I have no affinity for the books or films and am not in the loop about JK I was just excited for a fantasy open world rpg.
Colton 02.14.23	is this game better or worse than skyrim
Flugmorph 02.14.23	@DadKungFu who knows with an author like that. i mean the cultural predispositions that are perpetuated in the harry potter universe paint a pretty clear picture.
unclereich 02.14.23	I’m not sure I never played Skyrim. I was a big knights of the old republic fan and play a lot of call of duty. I just heard about the hype for this and went for it.
Colton 02.14.23	who tf hasn't played skyrim
AeniasGaming 02.14.23	how about no
Calc 02.14.23	I need a word usage graph of the word milquetoast in the last 3 years. people really trying to bring that word back from 18th century I hope the game comes to gamepass. it looks kinda fun. and I really don't care if a shitty rich person gets richer because of it.
unclereich 02.14.23	Big dick mothafuckas
unclereich 02.14.23	I didn’t know how hot JK was damn.
normaloctagon 02.14.23	I could give a shit about rowling’s take on transness but man her tweets lately have been really off the wall, i had no idea how vicious she was getting, honestly just thought she was one of those ‘trans women aren’t women’ people but it goes much further than that
IntoTheFire 02.14.23	game looks dated af
Snake. 02.14.23	spending $70 on a softcore RPG meant for tweens to own the libs
Colton 02.14.23	@normaloctagon what has she been saying
Wildcardbitchesss 02.14.23	snake coming in hot with the best take Game looks lame as fuck, it being Harry Potter only makes it worse
Colton 02.14.23	idk it looks pretty decent and the combat looks good
unclereich 02.14.23	I just thought it looked fun lol.
mrdogthrow 02.14.23	hare potter is for nerds
zaruyache 02.14.23	"based on literally the most politically milquetoast series in history" bruh there's a whole sub-plot about happy [elf] slaves who love to be slaves and one becomes a horrible alcoholic when freed and it's all intended as a joke, then there's also a mean "house" slave. it is objectively a politically horrid series, whether all the subtle dog whistling is intended or not lol
Wildcardbitchesss 02.14.23	cho chang
deathschool 02.14.23	Slaves are obviously apolitical
zaruyache 02.14.23	cho chang, and then the jewish kid she pointed out is like barry goldbergstein or some shit lmao. ethnic naming conventions 💯🔥
budgie 02.14.23	ik omg and she named the f rench girl fleur delacoeur ??? what a racist !!
zaruyache 02.14.23	kingsley shacklebolt
AeniasGaming 02.14.23	"it is objectively a politically horrid series, whether all the subtle dog whistling is intended or not lol" Ignoring the dog whistles (which is getting harder and harder to do), the overall message isn't good either. The lesson learned after eight books of increasing bloat? "The status quo is good kids, don't change anything!" I never got too invested as a kid but Shaun's recent video about it was an eye opener.
Purpl3Spartan 02.14.23	Spells in hogwarts legacy: 26 Spells in elden ring: 101
budgie 02.14.23	spells in morrowind: INFINITE the victor is clear
Purpl3Spartan 02.14.23	fair point
Flugmorph 02.14.23	boooom
Gyromania 02.14.23	Hmm does more = better, that is the question. Elden Ring may boast 101, but only about 10 of those are actually worth using, whereas every spell I’m Hogwarts is objectively a 10/10 masterpiece
Pon 02.14.23	Just play Elden Ring, it has cooler spells
Purpl3Spartan 02.14.23	True
Gyromania 02.14.23	Spoken like a true mudblood
Mort. 02.14.23	not buying videa gayme because rich person created the ip has to be the weakest most pathetic virtue signalling act it literally achieves nothing and if people can get suckle some joy from the capitalist hellscape through infantile magic school escapism, let them
Mort. 02.14.23	i had this game spoilt for me by a lgbt subreddit, didnt intend to play it anyway but it still pissed me off
Pheromone 02.14.23	and yet you insulted my bloody animal crossing
Gyromania 02.14.23	That virtue ain’t gonna signal itself though, you know? They have to do it.
Flugmorph 02.14.23	mort knows, the purity testing discourse around this has been abysmal.
Pheromone 02.14.23	gyro is desperate for some discourse
Gyromania 02.14.23	Looks like someone’s projecting a little
ToSmokMuzyki 02.14.23	EXPELLIADAVADAKEDEXPECTOSECTUMLEVIOSA
BAT 02.14.23	has any metalheads/punks actually read the potter books? it's a franchise i'm only aware of because of classmates dragging me into seein the movies because nothing else was out that weekend, the actual magic combat seemed like a buncha nonsense and the school was ghetto af
ToSmokMuzyki 02.14.23	https://youtu.be/Tx1XIm6q4r4
Flugmorph 02.14.23	"has any metalheads/punks actually read the potter books?" every single one of them
BAT 02.14.23	:o condolences. i had a nun read the first book to us in like 3rd grade mainly to put the class to sleep also i still gotta play like shadow of mordor and like every other game that doesn't have harry potter in it
ToSmokMuzyki 02.14.23	https://youtu.be/vzpD6OogahQ
Gyromania 02.14.23	Yeah if you’re counting down the days till the next Assassin’s Creed game definitely play Shadow of Mordor
BAT 02.14.23	i havent even played assassins creed 2 -_-
Flugmorph 02.14.23	ac gang ac gang
Flugmorph 02.14.23	who the fuck plays ac for the gameplay anyway. its all about the worlds and the historical codex entries.
Gyromania 02.14.23	I only play AC games for the trailing missions
Egarran 02.14.23	Love HP discussions In my echo chamber she is a terf and an antisemite
combustion07 02.14.23	Haven't played any of the previous Harry Potter games and just in the past few years finally binged the movies with my ex having never seen them before. I'm planning on buying the game this check though. My friend got it the day it dropped and seems to be enjoying it a lot so I'm gonna give it a shot
Sinternet 02.14.23	harry potter and spoilers is like the most authentic thing possible at this point, you don't remember the drive-by snape kills dumbledore people on book launch day? also: jk rowling fucking horrid terf bitch 'boycotting' this game is a personal choice which is fine but is not really gonna change anything most of the people buying it just like the series which at this point is a cultural staple far beyond the reach of it's original creator, it's like saying if george lucas turned out to be member of the kkk that anybody who consumed star wars-related media is endorsing that the books are straight up weird problematic shit at times re:antisemitic depictions of goblin bankers, slaves want to be slaves, kingsley shacklebolt and a billion other things, however its more likely based on her track record at the time that rowling was just an idiot who had little to no self-awareness and indulged every stereotype known to man without thinking about it for more than two seconds rather than actively malicious
neekafat 02.14.23	sounds like the worst thing ever tbh
PizzaBear 02.14.23	@mort "it literally achieves nothing" If nothing else, it's a show of solidarity with the people she's been actively oppressing which isn't "nothing". Additionally, Rowling likes to point to her continued sales and relevance as a means to "support" her ongoing terf madness so, while the monetary aspect is meaningless to her as a billionaire at this point, the ongoing social relevance isn't. Anyway, I'm not gonna go around hating on people for buying and playing it but there's a much stronger argument for the boycott than what you're presenting and I kinda do have to question the convictions of someone who goes around calling themself an "ally" but bucks under pressure the moment they're asked not to buy a thing
anode 02.14.23	So what’d jk Rowling do? Curious. I read through the books as a kid and wasn’t seeing the parallels to anything other than a nice school time magic story
PizzaBear 02.14.23	If you've got the time, I'd recommend the video mentioned above by YouTuber Shaun about the series. Does a great job explaining it
MarsKid 02.14.23	"Avada Kedavra" is the best Harlots song agreed
Flugmorph 02.14.23	@PizzaBear problem is the attempted boykott achieved the complete opposite goal and needlessly made this game a huge point of culture war which the rowling supporters are clearly winning rn because the game blew up like nobodies buisness.
Wadlez 02.14.23	@anode piss off the most oversensitive and self righteous community that exists -trans and their bully “Allies.” By saying something completely innocuous. They started a pointless boycott targeted at Rowling that only effects other people.. in doing they they actually made themselves look ridiculous turning people away from their causes and made the game more popular and successful than ever.. People now pick apart kids books written 20 years ago for anything to support the anti Rowling crusade.. it’s funny because she was about as left as it gets.. and stepped one toe out of line then became public enemy number 1 to some communities..
PizzaBear 02.14.23	@Flug yeah, as usual idiots on Twitter took the whole thing way too far and became the poster "children" for the whole concept. Unless someone specifically brings it up, I tend to just putright avoid the topic because it's a lost cause at this point but I had to push back against the idea that there would have achieved nothing. If you're looking at it from a purely financial perspective, it won't affect Rowling at all but that isn't really what the idea behind it was either
Gameofmetal 02.14.23	Wadlez be simpin Rowling has become a pretty virulent transphobe fearmongering about the savagery of a transwoman being allowed to use a woman's restroom while her brainlet fanbase routinely harasses trans people. You're a bitch if you lie about this, be honest about your subhuman iq biases.
Wadlez 02.14.23	Yes ‘simping’ over a person I do not care about or a series I haven’t touched in decades. The harassment I’ve witnessed from this ‘ordeal’ has not been from that side.. Anyone ‘harassing trans people’ or anyone are dolts and more anti trans sentiment is because of their actions and how toxic they’ve portrayed themselves in this situation and others.. Maybe hop offline and sniff outside your bubble.. your last line shows stability..
Epilogue 02.14.23	Vaush chat has entered the thread
Ryus 02.14.23	read another book
Sinternet 02.14.23	hmm who is this wadlez guy > progressive metal 16% opinion rejected
PizzaBear 02.14.23	@Wadlez you're complaining about the actions of a handful of people on Twitter while telling others to hop offline. That's...something
Wadlez 02.14.23	A handful is rich..Shrug.. I care about neither side in this.. judging off actions one side looks more like the issue.. we disagree.. fine. That used to be ok.
PizzaBear 02.14.23	"We used to be able to dehumanize and persecute others for their identities but now people get mad when I do... How I miss those days"
Wadlez 02.14.23	Projection. There’s that oversensitivity and victimhood again. I’m sure you have plenty of outlets where everyone will agree with you..
MarsKid 02.14.23	"Avada Kedavra" is the best Harlots song agreed
PizzaBear 02.14.23	@wadlez outlining the meaning of what you just said isn't projection
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rabidfish 02.14.23	The game looks good for what I've seen. The art is good and the atmosphere and details seem done with lots of care. At least it seems well made. Gameplay looks boring as fuck tho.
artificialbox 02.14.23	gonna wait for it to go on sale in a year like I do with every new release
SteakByrnes 02.14.23	I would've been hype for this game like 12 years ago but now I just don't care
MarsKid 02.14.23	IT'S A PIPE BOMB
SteakByrnes 02.14.23	potter puppet pals is a stone cold classic
Wadlez 02.14.23	The outline of my words were disagreement is ok….. You projected the rest because you’re looking to be victimized. Rowling has issues. The extent it blew up I disagreed with and labeling one side as harassers when I’ve seen plenty all around.. is bias. Nothing that changes my day either way.
DavidYowi 02.14.23	Goddamn I can never escape people talking about the stupid fuckin wizard game huh
MarsKid 02.14.23	ets leveeOOOOOOsaaaaaaah
rabidfish 02.14.23	Said the person commenting on the thread on their own volition
SomeCallMeTim 02.14.23	def would play but like any game these days I'll never dish out 70 bucks to play a game
anode 02.14.23	Damn those are some mad bars tundra Oh so jk Rowling is in another divisive controversy on borderline discrimination. Yawn I heard she was Christian or something when I was reading hp so that checks out
Colton 02.14.23	who the fuck uses spells in elden ring
CPtMorgan 02.14.23	I was doing, but holy hell on an i9-13900k drops from 30FPS at times makes it completely unplayable. Not to mention the RAM leak, single-threaded nature of it, and just Denuvo being trash. I'll be returning to it when Empress' crack drops this week
GhandhiLion 02.14.23	Harry potter PS1 >>
PortraitsOfDecay 02.14.23	It’s worth acknowledging there’s people who’ve sent porn in Twitter threads where children were tweeting HP fanart just to fuck with her. I don’t care how transphobic she is but sending the woman rape threats is indefensible. She’s definitely in the wrong at this point but I still don’t see her as the literal voldemort hitler of transphobia that some people make her out to be. Also my boyfriend is trans and has been enjoying the game while we’ve been rewatching the movies. The series is decent and the author is pretty flawed but she’s not a nazi imo
CPtMorgan 02.14.23	She isn't a transphobe. She has simply said a few things that people don't agree with, and this woke cancel culture that Pelosi created with her Equality Bill got upset about it. Very small incel groups online primarily, fuelled by the media. The comment about "there used to be a word for women who menstruate..." was merely pisstaking and sarcasm. There was no hate there. Telling people to keep their views away from her characters and confirming that Tonks is not trans is not hate. That is her character and she has ownership over it. The comment about toilets was actually referring to an interview she did in Oxford 2 weeks before and referred to pre-op trans people being admitted to opposite sex jails and sharing toilets. Which she had a point on, and was not hate, it got spun that way though. Rowling has said nothing HATEFUL towards trans people, and the sad incels online coping about a few opinions she holds are pathetic. The truth is, and nobody will admit it in this day and age, that society in general has more hate towards trans people in their hearts than JK does. How many hundreds of millions of people would truly sleep with a transgender person and hold their hand up about it in public? I suspect not many, yet those same people are quick to throw shade at JK. Truth be told, her opinions are hers and who gives a fuck. People should get on with their own pathetic lives instead of getting mad about something that doesn't affect them, and remember the hundreds of millions JK has raised for charities and causes around the world.
DavidYowi 02.14.23	“I was doing, but holy hell on an i9-13900k drops from 30FPS at times makes it completely unplayable. Not to mention the RAM leak, single-threaded nature of it, and just Denuvo being trash. I'll be returning to it when Empress' crack drops this week” It was really funny reading the ign review and the writer listing the numerous problems with this game and then turning around and giving it a 9. Never change ign
CPtMorgan 02.14.23	"It was really funny reading the ign review and the writer listing the numerous problems with this game and then turning around and giving it a 9. Never change ign" Yeah its crazy. Like the game is really good, but the performance makes it almost unplayable. Denuvo makes the frametimes ludicrously unstable also
Sinternet 02.14.23	yes nothing wrong with jk rowling, keep going about your day sheeple https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou_xvXJJk7k
Colton 02.14.23	I don’t understand why people say this. the IGN review was clearly very positive. a reviewer mentioning a couple flaws does not mean they hate the game. if you watched that review and expected a negative score at the end you’re just bad at understanding people tbh
PortraitsOfDecay 02.14.23	“ The truth is, and nobody will admit it in this day and age, that society in general has more hate towards trans people in their hearts than JK does. How many hundreds of millions of people would truly sleep with a transgender person and hold their hand up about it in public? I suspect not many, yet those same people are quick to throw shade at JK.” Not being attracted to trans people isn’t even transphobia. There was a time I would’ve been called a terf because I thought it was insane to suicide bait someone for being super straight
DavidYowi 02.14.23	“Said the person commenting on the thread on their own volition” You know what fair lol. I can’t deny that when I saw this thread jump from 60 to 90 comments that I was a lil curious
decisions 02.14.23	Game is amazing. One of the most enjoyable open-world games in a long time and I love the combat.
CPtMorgan 02.14.23	"Not being attracted to trans people isn’t even transphobia. There was a time I would’ve been called a terf because I thought it was insane to suicide bait someone for being super straight " But this is the thing, someone transgender IS whatever sex they are post-op. Therefore there shouldn't be this mental block in people's heads. Hell, I'd knock Jamie Clayton all night long. But most people can't do that. There's an inherent transphobia in the majority of people purely because the way brains work. It's truly something that needs changing more than a few dumb comments made by JK, which are -at the end of the day - opinions as much of a product of her upbringing as anyone elses. Many of the older generations believe similar things. Who gives a shit? Nobody, its only because she's a celebrity she gets dogpiled for it. Which is why sad incel virgins online require purging.
PortraitsOfDecay 02.14.23	You could still call her hateful if you want but at least her initial tweet or whatever really isn’t tbh “If sex isn’t real, there’s no same-sex attraction. If sex isn’t real, the lived reality of women globally is erased. I know and love trans people, but erasing the concept of sex removes the ability of many to meaningfully discuss their lives.”
CPtMorgan 02.14.23	"You could still call her hateful if you want but at least her initial tweet or whatever really isn’t tbh “If sex isn’t real, there’s no same-sex attraction. If sex isn’t real, the lived reality of women globally is erased. I know and love trans people, but erasing the concept of sex removes the ability of many to meaningfully discuss their lives.”" This wasn't even the first tweet, the first thing she said was when she told people to stop putting their social politics onto her characters, and then there was the "there used to be a word for women who menstruate" - something that had no connection to transgender whatsoever but the media span it as such. That was what prompted the tweet you mentioned Also, I want to make clear I personally neither agree nor disagree with her, they're her opinions and she is welcome to them. I feel this online culture today, coupled with the stupidity that Pelosi put forward in the Equality Bill, has created an incredibly difficult social dynamic where you can't have any opinion other than that one "everything is great and i don't question it" mentality. It isn't hatred or bigotry to question, it is human.
PortraitsOfDecay 02.14.23	Some people are only attracted to a certain biological sex and there’s really nothing wrong with that tho. Personally I’m not going to call someone transphobic just because they’re not attracted to someone. Sorry not sorry but attraction isn’t a requirement to respect someone
anode 02.14.23	Yeah fuck transphobia but let’s all make fun of incels because they’re the real subhumans right everybody
PortraitsOfDecay 02.14.23	Like if a lesbian doesn’t like dick that’s fine. If you think it’s acceptable to tell her to choke on cock you’re crazy
PortraitsOfDecay 02.14.23	Incels believe the government owe them a girlfriend to be fair
SomeCallMeTim 02.14.23	some of y'all got no chill
CPtMorgan 02.14.23	"Like if a lesbian doesn’t like dick that’s fine. If you think it’s acceptable to tell her to choke on cock you’re crazy " That's the thing though, JK has not said anything outright disrespectful or rude about anybody. She has her views - some of which are actually pretty reasonable - and yet sad twats online decided to dogpile her for it. Cancel culture is a disgrace and those who encourage it should be culled.
anode 02.14.23	I mean some might but I’m sure a lot of them are just minging. I think it’s funny how everyone decides it’s wrong to discriminate but have no problem outing certain groups of people as long as it follows the status quo
frozencarl 02.14.23	"Many of the older generations believe similar things. Who gives a shit? Nobody, its only because she's a celebrity she gets dogpiled for it." she has 14 million followers on twitter meaning she has infinitely more accountability than random boomers. JK's shit takes can influence her impressionable fans. this kind of backlash is warranted
Colton 02.14.23	saying it’s transphobic to not wanna have sex with trans people is fully insane lol that has to be a troll comment
Sinternet 02.14.23	"Yeah fuck transphobia but let’s all make fun of incels because they’re the real subhumans right everybody" yes you should absolutely make fun of incels lmao, are you one?
PortraitsOfDecay 02.14.23	Trans women are women and trans men are men but there’s still biological differences between cis and trans people that are worth discussing. There are also overlapping and exclusive experiences between all genders. For example abortion laws affect trans men and cis women more than trans women and cis men because only one sex can get pregnant. I just wish people were more open to seeing eye to eye rather than make everyone else on the internet out to be a bigot
CPtMorgan 02.14.23	"she has 14 million followers on twitter meaning she has infinitely more accountability than random boomers. JK's shit takes can influence her impressionable fans. this kind of backlash is warranted" This means nothing whatsoever. Her "shit takes" as you call them - which they really aren't, most of them are actually well reasoned even if neither of us personally agree with them - are her opinions on her own page. If people don't like them, they can unfollow her. And those 14m Twitter Followers are there post-controversy, therefore meaning they are unfazed by them. Anyone - and i mean any single person - who takes time out of their day to encourage a boycott of a video game made by thousands of people simply to attempt to spite one person over comments she made that were not hateful in the slightest - should be culled. They are a cancer on our planet.
Sinternet 02.14.23	stunning how uninformed you lot are about what rowling actually has done, who she promotes and who she endorses
Ryus 02.14.23	"I mean some might but I’m sure a lot of them are just minging. I think it’s funny how everyone decides it’s wrong to discriminate but have no problem outing certain groups of people as long as it follows the status quo" you mean incels? lol this might be the weirdest take in the thread
Prancer 02.14.23	over a hundred comments and no one's even talking about the game lol (it's really fun btw)
DavidYowi 02.14.23	“Nobody, its only because she's a celebrity she gets dogpiled for it. Which is why sad incel virgins online require purging.” Man I don’t even really care if you play the dumbass wizard game or not but don’t pretend you’re defending Rowling under woke pretenses. She views trans women as an active threat to cis women. She can’t shut the fuck up about it. If you can’t see that then you are either not paying attention or are willfully playing dumb
CPtMorgan 02.14.23	"stunning how uninformed you lot are about what rowling actually has done, who she promotes and who she endorses" Funny, I gave actual factual statements with the context around them. I think you should research what you're talking about or maybe just hop offline and take your yearly shower!
anode 02.14.23	Lol no sinternet. I just think it’s fucked up. Why should you make fun of incels? Doesn’t it just mean involuntary celibate? How could you not feel bad for them
PortraitsOfDecay 02.14.23	“saying it’s transphobic to not wanna have sex with trans people is fully insane lol that has to be a troll comment“ I spent years on tumblr where this discourse was present every fucking day and people would absolutely die on the hill saying if you don’t suck girldick you’re worse than scum
CPtMorgan 02.14.23	"Man I don’t even really care if you play the dumbass wizard game or not but don’t pretend you’re defending Rowling under woke pretenses. She actively views trans women as an active threat to cis women. She can’t shut the fuck up about it. If you can’t see that then you are either not paying attention or are willfully playing dumb" Except she literally doesn't. She has said multiple times she has no dislike for trans people, and actually she speaks about it when people constantly ask her about it. Just leave the woman be.
CPtMorgan 02.14.23	“saying it’s transphobic to not wanna have sex with trans people is fully insane lol that has to be a troll comment“ Trans women are women. Trans men are men. Anyone who actively ignores that fact and rejects them on that principle are rejecting the concept that they are man or woman. And therefore is transphobic and needs stoning
Colton 02.14.23	@sinternet been tryna find out the full extent of what she said but the articles I saw were like “read this 40 page post she wrote to find out” and I was like ok I don’t have time for that
PortraitsOfDecay 02.14.23	“ Trans women are women. Trans men are men. Anyone who actively ignores that fact and rejects them on that principle are rejecting the concept that they are man or woman. And therefore is transphobic and needs stoning” Yeah you’ve fucking lost me
Colton 02.14.23	not falling for that bait
anode 02.14.23	Colton just read the Harry Potter books and use your preconceived biases to read between the lines and determine why you should be offended
PortraitsOfDecay 02.14.23	They are the gender they transition to but that doesn’t mean I have to consider dating anyone to be an ally to trans people. I’m with my partner because I love him not because I owe him validation
PortraitsOfDecay 02.14.23	“ And therefore is transphobic and needs stoning” And people say no one has ever said you’re morally obligated to date trans people
CPtMorgan 02.14.23	I am leaving this conversation thread now. It is a shame, but sites such as this with their own deeply-rooted "communities" are a hovel for those same sad little bastards who will discredit 25 years in which Rowling has improved people's lives, given so much away to charities, and genuinely done the best she can. This little minority of cretins online who cope and seethe, wanting it boycotted because they can't accept that she has different views from them (which aren't hateful in the slightest, and until someone can show me her directly insulting a trans person or being anything other than courteous in her wording then this stands as fact). Y'all are probably more fundamentally transphobic than she is purely due to the point raised above.
CPtMorgan 02.14.23	"They are the gender they transition to but that doesn’t mean I have to consider dating anyone to be an ally to trans people. I’m with my partner because I love him not because I owe him validation" I didn't say this, did I. I never said there was an obligation. I simply said that people inside their own minds do not look at trans women as "biologically born" women and have the same thoughts about them. Which is disgraceful
Colton 02.14.23	morgan’s motivations here are ambiguous i am confusion
DavidYowi 02.14.23	“Y'all are probably more fundamentally transphobic than she is purely due to the point raised above.” I hope you break every bone in your body Signed a nb trans woman
Sinternet 02.14.23	No incels are not 'involuntarily celibate', they are an active misogynist hate community who inspielre and endorse mass murderers. Someone who doesn't get laid is just a normal person. Please educate yourself.
PortraitsOfDecay 02.14.23	You said you deserve stoning for not wanting to fuck trans people just accept what you just said lmao
frozencarl 02.14.23	godspeed captain Morgan, may your endeavors unabashedly defending JK rowling in random internet forums bring you great fulfillment
Colton 02.14.23	when someone harbours hateful misogynist views toward women we call them incels. when someone just doesn’t get laid we call them sinternet
anode 02.14.23	What’s funny is that people actually debate such a complex issue on the internet. Lol what progress is expected to be made? It’s hard enough to have a productive conversation in person with a loved one
anode 02.14.23	Educate myself? You mean spend more time on the internet? No thanks
PortraitsOfDecay 02.14.23	If I say I’m open to dating trans men but not trans women for the sake of argument am I suddenly a menace to society? Or can we all agree we’re allowed to not be attracted to other people
Ryus 02.14.23	"Educate myself? You mean spend more time on the internet? No thanks" then its probably best not to say shit like that if you have no idea what youre talking about
budgie 02.14.23	pee pee poo poo
Ryus 02.14.23	smae
anode 02.14.23	Shit like what dawg? I’m surprised you managed not to cite a column of my pie chart while discrediting me
Ryus 02.14.23	"I mean some might but I’m sure a lot of them are just minging. I think it’s funny how everyone decides it’s wrong to discriminate but have no problem outing certain groups of people as long as it follows the status quo" "Lol no sinternet. I just think it’s fucked up. Why should you make fun of incels? Doesn’t it just mean involuntary celibate? How could you not feel bad for them" that was easy
anode 02.14.23	How is that shit? It was a genuine question based off a misunderstanding
Ryus 02.14.23	good to hear you seem really willing to clear up the misunderstanding
Ryus 02.14.23	check bladee btw
Sinternet 02.14.23	"when someone harbours hateful misogynist views toward women we call them incels. when someone just doesn’t get laid we call them sinternet" Babe im getting desperate over here, wanna hook up?
PortraitsOfDecay 02.14.23	Ironically incels can be trans too when they say “consider me in your dating pool or you deserve to be stoned”
anode 02.14.23	It already was cleared up by sinternets poignant response? What’s your deal man haha
starboystargirl 02.14.23	Everyone shut up and return to riffs.
anode 02.14.23	^ ignore. Everyone go on 4chan/reddit and become more indoctrinated
artificialbox 02.14.23	I feel like I’ve seen this same conversation on a Demon Hunter thread before
Colton 02.14.23	sorry sinternet I believe that trans men are real men but the same does not apply for british men
Colton 02.14.23	but actually that means it wouldn’t be gay so i’m down
frozencarl 02.14.23	its cute yall still believe England actually exists
Colton 02.14.23	ok thread’s over next person to comment is a bozo
Hyperion1001 02.14.23	Harry Potter is for babies
Mort. 02.14.23	oh damn thread popped off while i was walking my dog
Snake. 02.14.23	"She isn't a transphobe. She has simply said a few things that people don't agree with, and this woke cancel culture that Pelosi created with her Equality Bill got upset about it. Very small incel groups online primarily, fuelled by the media. The comment about "there used to be a word for women who menstruate..." was merely pisstaking and sarcasm. There was no hate there. Telling people to keep their views away from her characters and confirming that Tonks is not trans is not hate. That is her character and she has ownership over it." "Trans women are women. Trans men are men. Anyone who actively ignores that fact and rejects them on that principle are rejecting the concept that they are man or woman. And therefore is transphobic and needs stoning" >Joined 02-13-23 whose fucking alt
IsisScript80 02.14.23	Captain Morgan's Spiced Rum...? Incels...? England not existing...? Stupid fucking Harry Potter...? Piece of shit authors...? Lots of things happening right here.
Mort. 02.14.23	loooool thank you detective snake also @mort "it literally achieves nothing" 'If nothing else, it's a show of solidarity with the people she's been actively oppressing which isn't "nothing". Additionally, Rowling likes to point to her continued sales and relevance as a means to "support" her ongoing terf madness so, while the monetary aspect is meaningless to her as a billionaire at this point, the ongoing social relevance isn't. Anyway, I'm not gonna go around hating on people for buying and playing it but there's a much stronger argument for the boycott than what you're presenting and I kinda do have to question the convictions of someone who goes around calling themself an "ally" but bucks under pressure the moment they're asked not to buy a thing' i dont know if that bit about convictions is about me specifically but i was never going to buy this anyway nor have i ever described myself as an ally but in response to your first bit yes, i did overexagerrate by saying it achieves nothing. However, as a 'show of solidarity' that only exists if you are active on social media and declare your intention to not buy it. i do not exist on social media. i know no trans people in real life. which brings up an interesting question. if i buy this game and dont tell anyone, and in fact join trans spaces online to tell people the opposite (that i didnt buy the game), would i be showing solidarity and therefore doing the right thing? does the purchasing of the game not fall out the equation at that point? basically, the purchasing of the game isnt the actual moral issue (jk is already a billionaire as you said), but the discussion and how you make people feel about it is?
IsisScript80 02.14.23	"whose fucking alt" From the looks of it, the br00tal J.K. herself.
Mort. 02.14.23	also, a bit mad that people are genuinely denying jk is a transphobe she hangs out with transphobes and says transphobic shit and has written transphobic things, what else do you need? does she need to smell transphobic?
Colton 02.14.23	I would really like to know what JK said that's apparently way worse than the tweets people usually discuss. multiple people on here have told me about it but nobody has elaborated
IsisScript80 02.14.23	In all seriousness, I'd recommend giving the latest Jimquisition (YouTube) vid on this a watch. It's time well spent in balancing this shit up.
DavidYowi 02.14.23	“I would really like to know what JK said that's apparently way worse than the tweets people usually discuss. multiple people on here have told me about it but nobody has elaborated” I’m not sure about the tweets you are talking about but if you go on her twitter she posts daily about how trans women shouldn’t be sent to women’s only prisons because end up sexually assaulting the other prisoners. She’s dead wrong on this because 1. Trans women are way more likely to be sent to men’s prisons and vice versa and 2. rape is an active presence in prisons regardless of trans people, hell the guards even encourage it
GhandhiLion 02.14.23	and/or do it themselves
PizzaBear 02.14.23	"i dont know if that bit about convictions is about me specifically" It wasn't, I don't (didn't) know enough about you to know where you stand there so it was more of a general point. "basically, the purchasing of the game isnt the actual moral issue (jk is already a billionaire as you said), but the discussion and how you make people feel about it is?" I made the point about social capital too. JK is a billionaire and even if we stopped buying anything of hers, she'd still have enough money for lifetimes and could keep investing it so it essentially builds on itself so that is a non-issue. Where a boycott could have (theoretically, it's all out the window at this point) hurt her is in how she uses the ongoing success of the franchise to maintain her relevancy in the cultural zeitgeist (god this sounds pretentious but hopefully you get where I'm going with this). As flug was saying, and I agree, it's a lost cause at this point but I still think there was a valid basis to the idea behind the movement and I personally am not interested in anything that lends Rowling any kind of benefit be it financial or social.
Mort. 02.14.23	'Where a boycott could have (theoretically, it's all out the window at this point) hurt her is in how she uses the ongoing success of the franchise to maintain her relevancy in the cultural zeitgeist (god this sounds pretentious but hopefully you get where I'm going with this). As flug was saying, and I agree, it's a lost cause at this point but I still think there was a valid basis to the idea behind the movement and I personally am not interested in anything that lends Rowling any kind of benefit be it financial or social.' i understand you, and no thats not pretentious at all. pretentious would be shoehorning in the phrase cultural zeitgeist when it wouldnt make sense. it makes perfect sense in that context
Egarran 02.14.23	Also the lovely Contrapoints did a video about her: https://youtu.be/7gDKbT_l2us
rabidfish 02.14.23	I dunno man this game looks so dope, i haven't even thought about Harry Potter as a franchise since a long time ago, but i gotta admit, aesthetically i dig it, it's not brutally dark like the movies post 3 are, but it's not childish like the PS1-era games. It's very interesting how they got down the "whimsical yet believable" look going.
DadKungFu 02.14.23	Any attempt to devalue her social capital has completely backfired now thanks to the absolute grasping at straws that was the attempt to piece together some antisemitic conspiracy out of the thing. Maybe it would have been different if it had just been "Rowling sucks, don't buy" but by trying to cobble together some narrative about goblin trumpets secretly being shofars or whatever it's delegitimized the whole thing.
Colton 02.14.23	"I’m not sure about the tweets you are talking about but if you go on her twitter she posts daily about how trans women shouldn’t be sent to women’s only prisons because end up sexually assaulting the other prisoners. She’s dead wrong on this because 1. Trans women are way more likely to be sent to men’s prisons and vice versa and 2. rape is an active presence in prisons regardless of trans people, hell the guards even encourage it" yeah I don't really see why she'd be particularly worried about that, unless we're talking about people who are in jail for assaulting women in which case they obviously shouldn't be around women in jail
DavidYowi 02.14.23	“yeah I don't really see why she'd be particularly worried about that, unless we're talking about people who are in jail for assaulting women in which case they obviously shouldn't be around women in jail” She’s worried about it because she hates trans people
Wildcardbitchesss 02.14.23	Yeah I read this thread until someone compared incels to trans people Jesus fucking Christ
Colton 02.14.23	so I'm glancing at her twitter rn and she seems to be talking about people who actually assaulted women in which case her stance is pretty reasonable tbh but idk if it's always in that context or just for these particular tweets
JoyfulPlatypus 02.14.23	Sees a new list called Hogwarts Legacy Sees it already has 180+ comments Uh oh
AeniasGaming 02.14.23	"not buying videa gayme because rich person created the ip has to be the weakest most pathetic virtue signalling act" how about not buying it because rich person uses said riches to legislate people out of existence
Trebor. 02.14.23	generic open world fantasy action RPG and it supports a bigot? Count me in!
JoyfulPlatypus 02.14.23	The Dunkey video about this game was pretty funny though
AeniasGaming 02.14.23	"It was really funny reading the ign review and the writer listing the numerous problems with this game and then turning around and giving it a 9. Never change ign" Game's mid as fuck but I'm blinded by nostalgia. 9/10
GhandhiLion 02.14.23	idk why people are falling over themselves to say that jk rowling isn't a transphobe. She set up a women only rape shelter in Scotland that was heavily scrutinised for not being open to trans women. Other shelters in Scotland were open to trans women for 15 years, and not a single incident of abuse was reported.
Flugmorph 02.14.23	damn this thread got retarded fast. gyro won.
Mort. 02.14.23	'how about not buying it because rich person uses said riches to legislate people out of existence' hate to break it to you, but jk rowling will not get noticeably/significantly richer depending on the sales of this one game within her massive overarching cultural touchstone ip, you dumb cunt and if you want to do something about this do some actual activism
AeniasGaming 02.14.23	there's no need to jump straight to insults
Mort. 02.14.23	my apologies
CygnusX1 02.14.23	JK is already a huge billionaire. Shes a dumbass terf but a half-assed boycott when the game already is selling well isn't it. Harry Potter fans can be more annoying then MCU fanboys but happy they're liking the blandest rpg
pizzamachine 02.14.23	Hmm pretty sure Gyro wanted to talk about the gameplay itself and not the baggage that the game comes with but I could be wrong.
GhandhiLion 02.14.23	based and actual activism pilled It can be hard to accurately gauge the effectiveness of these measures, but I'd guess that this boycott backfired. It has led to gamers post-ironically joking about buying the game because it's "transphobic".
Mort. 02.14.23	every time something like this comes up i think of Exiting the Vampire's Castle
budgie 02.14.23	i wish american progressives cared about healthcare and renewable energy as much as they care about whether or not someone on the internet would have sex with a trans person imagine boycotting a game bc a member on the publisher's board of directors had exxonmobile in their investment portfolio. that would b frickin awesome *drives away in his crown victoria
BaselineOOO 02.14.23	It's just another case of internet mass hypnosis. This game is as hurtful to any sexual minority as Lego Harry Potter was, which was never "boycotted" or even debated on its connection to J.K. Rowling. The modern human is just a stupid sheep, take religion away from him and he turns into another form of low IQ shithead. And if you hate J.K. Rowling for her beliefs go and set her house on fire and stop harassing innocent HP fans/ game devs/ whatever.
anode 02.14.23	There’s not as much ego gratification in being an activist over something that objectively matters and isn’t just an evocative talking point for one’s own personal identification
Flugmorph 02.14.23	"It's just another case of internet mass hypnosis. This game is as hurtful to any sexual minority as Lego Harry Potter was, which was never "boycotted" or even debated on its connection to J.K. Rowling. The modern human is just a stupid sheep, take religion away from him and he turns into another form of low IQ shithead. And if you hate J.K. Rowling for her beliefs go and set her house on fire and stop harassing innocent HP fans/ game devs/ whatever." kinda based???
DadKungFu 02.14.23	Miss Mark Fisher, the conspiracy theorist in me thinks he and Graeber's deaths were kind of sus but the reality is probably more mundane and sad
Mort. 02.14.23	'The first law of the Vampires’ Castle is: individualise and privatise everything. While in theory it claims to be in favour of structural critique, in practice it never focuses on anything except individual behaviour. Some of these working class types are not terribly well brought up, and can be very rude at times. Remember: condemning individuals is always more important than paying attention to impersonal structures. The actual ruling class propagates ideologies of individualism, while tending to act as a class. (Many of what we call ‘conspiracies’ are the ruling class showing class solidarity.) The VC, as dupe-servants of the ruling class, does the opposite: it pays lip service to ‘solidarity’ and ‘collectivity’, while always acting as if the individualist categories imposed by power really hold. Because they are petit-bourgeois to the core, the members of the Vampires’ Castle are intensely competitive, but this is repressed in the passive aggressive manner typical of the bourgeoisie. What holds them together is not solidarity, but mutual fear – the fear that they will be the next one to be outed, exposed, condemned.'
Mort. 02.14.23	'Miss Mark Fisher, the conspiracy theorist in me thinks he and Graeber's deaths were kind of sus but the reality is probably more mundane and sad' yes the reality is he was depressed and hated other lefties, i get it
Ryus 02.14.23	"Miss Mark Fisher, the conspiracy theorist in me thinks he and Graeber's deaths were kind of sus but the reality is probably more mundane and sad" graeber rules "debt" is a great book. need to read his other stuff
JoyfulPlatypus 02.14.23	Baseline's kinda got a point tho lol
Mort. 02.14.23	never heard of graeber, that debt book looks fascinating, cheers guys
Colton 02.14.23	isn’t it kinda funny though how so many of the people voicing their concerns over Rowling’s transphobia do it on twitter? pretty sure Elon has said shit they deem transphobic
alamo 02.14.23	summing up rampant transphobia and an active fight against trans rights as "if someone would rather not have sex w a trans person" is just malicious and u can care about trans rights and healthcare at the same time in fact talking about trans rights is also talking about healthcare for example here in brazil gender-affirming surgery is covered by our free healthcare
Colton 02.14.23	ppl gotta stop saying that shit though it makes them look crazy lol
madrigal30 02.14.23	do i even wanna pop my head in here or is it ugly
AeniasGaming 02.14.23	summing up rampant transphobia and an active fight against trans rights as "if someone would rather not have sex w a trans person" is just malicious [2]
GhandhiLion 02.14.23	@alamo I don't think Budgie was minimizing the fight for trans rights in his comment. Though I could be wrong. His comment speaks to the obsession over niche non-issues (disclaimer: by niche, I don't mean lgbt) that the left is often drawn to currently. That energy could go to better use than encouraging people to not buy a video game.
Gmork89 02.14.23	I really enjoy it so far.
Sharenge 02.14.23	I'm ready for my stoning rips bong
madrigal30 02.14.23	trans gal opinion incoming: i don't care if you buy the game, purely on a trans rights basis. it does not matter. you should probably focus your well-intentioned boycotting efforts towards, idk, rampant violence (physical and legislative) against trans people. or, you could boycott the videogame and not do any other activism. but it says a lot about you, this question of whether or not you're doing real work or just boycotting for insta likes. also the videogame's narrative seems like, overtly anti-Semitic. to the point where like it's hard to miss even if you're not thinking that critically about it. and given the way that authoritarian and fascist politicians around the globe are uniting with transphobic voices to do violence to trans people while said transphobic voices are creators and endorsers of other explicitly bigoted media, it feels like the main worry about this game should be a rise in weird anglo-american fascist occultism which can be used for further (more real) violence
SteakByrnes 02.14.23	"And if you hate J.K. Rowling for her beliefs go and set her house on fire" lmao based
JoyfulPlatypus 02.14.23	has anyone asked Corey Taylor what he thinks of this game?
budgie 02.14.23	u got it ghandi
Gmork89 02.14.23	Harry Potter what a serious topic, how will our culture ever recover.
Colton 02.14.23	why is it antisemetic
JoyfulPlatypus 02.14.23	@Colton - I can't speak about the game specifically, but people have long since accused Rowling of using typical Jewish stereotypes to describe the goblins in the HP universe. And I guess the plot of this game revolves around stopping a goblin revolution, so now people are drawing their own conclusions about Rowlings intent.
Ryus 02.14.23	idk anything about this game or whatever but the fact that in the books rowling created greedy goblins who are bankers is hilarious. i assume it was just out of ignorance and not malicious anti-semitism
PizzaBear 02.14.23	It probably wasn't but the fact that the game seems to double down on it is definitely... A choice...
GhandhiLion 02.14.23	The connection between goblins and gold is a cultural trope to be fair. But it probably does have origins related to anti-Semitism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goblin_Market
Ryus 02.14.23	yeah for sure ghandhi, just the fact that they're also bankers is the cherry on top lmao
Flugmorph 02.14.23	Everyone focuses on the slave elves and banker goblins, but an underrated racism in the Harry Potter series is the guy who keeps blowing stuff up. He's an Irishman called Seamus Finnigan.
PizzaBear 02.14.23	Harry Potter: more racism than you can shake a stick ahem wand at lmao
GhandhiLion 02.14.23	The word goblin might have welsh origins actually. From "Coblynau". edit: It might be "Kobold" - germanic
SomeCallMeTim 02.14.23	@Flug actually tho yeah that's never talked about
JoyfulPlatypus 02.14.23	Is there some stereotype I don't know about involving Irish people blowing things up?? Not trying to argue lol but as an American this is news to me.
GhandhiLion 02.14.23	lmao
Sharenge 02.14.23	I feel like calling Harry Potter-universe goblins greedy is just reading into things... they literally protect everyone else's gold and valuables which is very respectable also reading into things to assume that there aren't other goblins who do other things with their lives, it just happens that Gringotts is run by goblins
Ryus 02.14.23	ok well the fact that theyre only shown as bankers is funny
Flugmorph 02.14.23	"I feel like calling Harry Potter-universe goblins greedy is just reading into things... they literally protect everyone else's gold and valuables which is very respectable" sharenge has never heard of bankers
Sinternet 02.14.23	"Is there some stereotype I don't know about involving Irish people blowing things up?? Not trying to argue lol but as an American this is news to me." likely not as well-known in the us but i would read into the history of the northern irish troubles, the ira and loyalists and british occupation, it's def yet another example of rowling's writing drawing on the most ignorant stereotype possible in a way that at the time didnt seem malicious but as she further digs a hole for herself supporting hate and bigotry reflects worse on her
Colton 02.14.23	ok but isn't it kinda racist to see goblins doing goblin shit and make the association between them and jewish people? or am i missing something here. like... they're goblins lol they're supposed to be greedy and shit
Ryus 02.14.23	theyre bankers, which plays on jewish stereotypes, and goblins, which also has a history of jewish stereotypes. again i dont think it was intentional but still lol
Sinternet 02.14.23	can't tell if you're sarcastic or not but the greedy jew banker is a centuries-old anti-semitic trope with frequent goblin-like characterisations and depictions, like anyone who took more than two seconds to think about it would steer away from having any part of their fantasy goblins correspond to these tropes
Mort. 02.14.23	yeah i honestly always thought a lot of jk rowling's stereotypes were just unintentional like, she didnt mean to be racist when she named the chinese girl cho chang (even though its incredibly close to the very common racist trope in the uk of calling a chinese person 'ching chong'). shes just completely oblivious to that stuff and the antisemitism stuff is baked into depictions of goblins to the point where someone can just depict goblins that way because thats what they think goblins are like, without a single thought given to the antisemitism angle but she is most definetely a transphobe
Flugmorph 02.14.23	goblins are a jewish caricature in and of themselves, to be fair.
Colton 02.14.23	not being sarcastic I just don't know a lot about antisemitic stereotypes I guess. I swear I live in a very low jewish population area or something cause I've literally never met anyone that I know to be jewish, it's weird. but what I'm asking is, are those goblin stereotypes, like the way they look and act and their greed and all that, inherently offensive to jewish people? or is the offence caused by people taking those goblin traits and then comparing them to jewish people?
Mort. 02.14.23	'can't tell if you're sarcastic or not but the greedy jew banker is a centuries-old anti-semitic trope with frequent goblin-like characterisations and depictions, like anyone who took more than two seconds to think about it would steer away from having any part of their fantasy goblins correspond to these tropes' honestly youre overestimating how aware a lot of people are of these things. and many people may be aware of the stereotype of a hook nosed greedy goblin without knowing thats how jewish people have been characterised. i mean, i grew up in the uk and our teaching of the holocaust has varied heavily over the years and that would be the only time kids would be explicitly taught about stereotypes and persecution of jewish people. its not hard to imagine that rowling is just oblivious/didnt think of that stuff
Colton 02.14.23	like if I saw a bunch of goblins in a game or a show doing goblin stuff I would just think "these are goblins doing goblin stuff" it wouldn't even cross my mind to think of a connection to jewish people, but I get how it would be different if I was more aware of the prevalence of those comparisons
GhandhiLion 02.14.23	https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/6uzj7r/is_folklore_about_goblins_rooted_in_antisemitism/ Interesting thread
Mort. 02.14.23	there is no such thing as 'inherently offensive' colton, imo
Sharenge 02.14.23	time is money, friend
Ryus 02.14.23	the percent of jews in northern america is like 1-2% so its not super surprising you dont know anyone you know to be jewish
Colton 02.14.23	wow that's way lower than I thought
Sinternet 02.14.23	fair enough that some people might not think of it, i guess i was lucky to know a few jewish people growing up and assumed a greater knowledge and as i said before i don't think 99% of the weird problematic shit she wrote in the books was malicious, i could totally see someone ignorant of these issues not thinking about them (although the slaves who want to be slaves thing is still very sus), but i wonder how this didnt get flagged by an editor or publisher whose job it is to look for this type of stuff among other things. it just all looks very bad in light of her actions in the last few years, especially when she's continued to use lazy stereotypes in her recent non-hp books despite being called out for it multiple times
Ryus 02.14.23	"wow that's way lower than I thought" theyre mostly concentrated in the big cities. im jewish and i know a ton of jews but thats because i grew up in NYC which has more jews than jerusalem and tel aviv
budgie 02.14.23	https://daily.jstor.org/j-r-r-tolkiens-jewish-dwarves/ uh oh guys
Ryus 02.14.23	👀👀
GhandhiLion 02.14.23	Tolkien is debated a lot yeah. The Tolkien society made an in defence post if you are interested. edit: I can't find it
Flugmorph 02.14.23	this is where i point back to my comment from this morning: "i mean the cultural predispositions that are perpetuated in the harry potter universe paint a pretty clear picture. " it might not have been conscious/malicious decisions but all those stereotypes definitely festered in rowlings world view.
GhandhiLion 02.14.23	https://www.tolkiensociety.org/blog/2015/11/taboo-tolkien-the-nordicist-claim-on-middle-earth/ Probably this
BAT 02.14.23	Jk Rowling/boomer belief starter pack : psycho, dressed to kill, and silence of the lambs. But yeah I don't think people would be arguing if she didn't spend the past 5 years demonizing transfolk as a life mission. She's willingly become the face of the terf movement, 'reap what you sow.' I generally wouldn't think much of it but I've firsthand seen a young coworker adopt anti-trans/anti-sjw rhetoric because they want to 'defend' a series they grew up with. It sucks it's gotten to the point that posting about it on a music site turns into some sort of debate, but that's the brand she's built in recent years. A decade ago people considered her an LGBT activist/there's plenty of LGBT fans. And I've seen more trans friends post about how disinterested they are, instead of 'harassing people to boycott it.' If your a fan and want to play it: play it. If your on the fence about putting money into someone's pockets: buy it on humble bundle and allocate the money towards a charity.
Egarran 02.14.23	Can/should heteronormative people argue on behalf of trans people?
Colton 02.14.23	that’s why I say the people who harass others for playing the game probably don’t give a shit about trans people because if they did they wouldn’t push people away from supporting them by causing these vindictive and reactionary responses. not to mention it’s just free promotion. the people who are mad at others for financially supporting Rowling have 100% caused her to make more money from this game than she would have if the backlash wasn’t so vicious
Gyromania 02.14.23	“ most of the people buying it just like the series which at this point is a cultural staple far beyond the reach of it's original creator, it's like saying if george lucas turned out to be member of the kkk that anybody who consumed star wars-related media is endorsing that” Sometimes Sinternet is just on point. I will say tho regarding the goblins and house elves and parallels between Jewish people and slaves: I’m not sure I see this as problematic. I’ve heard people make the same argument for Tolkiens orcs being a representation of black slaves. Even if she drew inspiration from real world class and race disparities, does that make a person inherently racist? It’s a work of fiction, of course authors draw from the real world. The elves were portrayed in a way where we sympathized with them and knew how wrong they were being treated. It’s not like the message there was a negative one. So yeah idk, I don’t totally get the criticism there
Colton 02.14.23	yeah gyro the argument here should be that goblins are not inherently representative of jewish people in any way, not "of course authors draw from the real world" I would have hoped that would be obvious
rabidfish 02.14.23	Tolkien did so much for the soul of humanity and the history of art and literature that some people just can't help but hate him cuz he wasn't a 21st century woke lad. Good art is good art. Harry Potter worked for a reason, too. It might not be "hight art" and under scrutiny it shows its rather limited and uninspired literature. But it stirred the heart of millions of children world wide. Zeitgeist, capitalism and all that shit aside, it touched something deep within young people at the time. How far are you willing to go to destroy it? how far into the mud do you have to drag it before you are content?
Gyromania 02.14.23	Colton: so what’s the argument for racism there? The goblins have big noses and work in banks therefore she hates Jewish people?
anode 02.14.23	So weird how people want to suppress personal expression, especially in arts. If you have contentious or transgressive views, they should be encouraged to be expressed. How else you going to have a productive conversation and achieve progress
Colton 02.14.23	the argument there is that there's no connection between jewish people and goblins. by saying "it's ok to draw from real life" you're implying there is
CPtMorgan 02.14.23	God just reading some of this thread is disgusting. Clowns like "oh I saw such and such an argument on some obscure internet community" "oh let me find the link". Do y'all ever even go offline for half an hour? Ever seen the outside? Sheeeesh couldn't be me
JoyfulPlatypus 02.14.23	Place your bets folks how long before this thread gets locked/deleted?
Colton 02.14.23	yes actually I go outside for a good 2 hours every single day unless it's pouring rain or a blizzard
Gyromania 02.14.23	Colton: what I meant is it’s okay to show disenfranchised groups of people in fiction and drawing inspiration from real life peoples/events. Most literature I know does this from LotR to GoT to fucking DBZ
rabidfish 02.14.23	https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/exiting-vampire-castle/
CPtMorgan 02.14.23	"yes actually I go outside for a good 2 hours every single day unless it's pouring rain or a blizzard " Yes, pouring rain would simulate your yearly showed wouldn't it! So many sad fucks on here though seriously. Like imagine living a life that revolves around the internet so much
Colton 02.14.23	ok sure but that's not the point to be making in the context of the goblin thing
Colton 02.14.23	idk morgan I'm a web developer so my life does kind of revolve around the internet tbh lol
Ryus 02.14.23	"Do y'all ever even go offline for half an hour? Ever seen the outside? Sheeeesh couldn't be me" 90% of the time when im commenting im procrastinating at work
CPtMorgan 02.14.23	"idk morgan I'm a web developer so my life does kind of revolve around the internet tbh lol " You get the pass then Colton! Not the rest of em though
CPtMorgan 02.14.23	"90% of the time when im commenting im procrastinating at work" Instead of , like, working and actually contributing to the world! Or, I dunno, interacting with real people. Ever even looked at a female?
anode 02.14.23	I thought you were “leaving this convesrsation thread” cptmorgan
Ryus 02.14.23	"90% of the time when im commenting im procrastinating at work" Instead of , like, working and actually contributing to the world! Or, I dunno, interacting with real people. Ever even looked at a female?" what
JoyfulPlatypus 02.14.23	@CptMorgan- Do I get a pass? I work in accounting and am also procastinating when I comment on this site lol
anode 02.14.23	Yeah you try working a desk job Morgan. It’s soul crushing af and it’s nice to have some respite to joke around and have interesting discussions
BAT 02.14.23	I think the 'go outside' retort is dated now that everyone has smartphones lol.
Ryus 02.14.23	im a software engineer in a boring ass meeting rn
CPtMorgan 02.14.23	"Yeah you try working a desk job Morgan. It’s soul crushing af and it’s nice to have some respite to joke around and have interesting discussions " I do work a desk job lol. I'm just fuckin around cause i'm bored, obviously cunts have a real job. Well except Miley Cyrus, hers has blow as the first syllable
anode 02.14.23	Yeah that’s what we’re doing too dummy
budgie 02.14.23	"Ever even looked at a female?" he he he
egads 02.14.23	bought it on steam and played it for an hour the other night but it was hella laggy and glitchy and idk if it's my computer or the game itself prolly gonna refund it to reconsider
Odal 02.14.23	man, I wish people would at least out themselves for being bigots defending cooler media than Harry Potter
Ryus 02.14.23	im glad the mods let us have fun for once
anode 02.14.23	haha
Flugmorph 02.14.23	cptmorgan early contender for most insufferable sputnik user 2023 award
anode 02.14.23	i mean he just made this account to join this thread and flame everybody
CPtMorgan 02.14.23	Made the account before this thread was made. Work that one out
budgie 02.14.23	ur a t-time wizard ?
Sinternet 02.14.23	whose alt is this
anarchistfish 02.14.23	Waiting for old gen release and reviews lol
Feather 02.14.23	Too busy with competitive doubles battles in scarlet to be bothered
Gyromania 02.14.23	I think Rowling started out with okay enough intentions. Looks like at the start she was concerned about how trans rights activism might affect modern feminism and speaking out on issues regarding children being chemically castrated etc - things I feel you should be able to open a dialogue about without being branded transphobic. It’s hard to defend her recent shitposting on twitter, altho a part of me does wonder how much of her attitude has to do with the thousands of death threats and verbal harassment she’s received. That kind of shit can make people bitter and cynical
Drifter 02.14.23	“ Do y'all ever even go offline for half an hour? Ever seen the outside? Sheeeesh couldn't be me” “So many sad fucks on here though seriously. Like imagine living a life that revolves around the internet so much” you are commenting more than anyone else on this thread lmfao
egads 02.14.23	anyway i found it very interesting how the character creation screen very casually without fanfare allows you to make your character trans that was kinda cool i wonder how that one slipped past
Flugmorph 02.14.23	yeah gyro I definitely see your point, good comment. its hard to understand how heavy the public eye weighs on people unless you are in it yourself. doesn't excuse her shit, just might explain part of it.
anode 02.14.23	Shh egads we’re trying to be outraged
anode 02.14.23	flame in general* that better cptmorgan?
Pho3nix 02.14.23	OP forgot about Slytherin: https://www.sputnikmusic.com/bands/Slytherin/133796/
anode 02.14.23	damn how could you forget about Slytherin. please tell me theyre metalcore edit: lmao damnit
Kompys2000 02.14.23	We are rapidly reaching the point where we must collectively decide once and for all whether HP has good enough worldbuilding and lore to justify decades upon decades of spinoffs and sidequests and frankly if you think it does you need to experience more fiction
Kompys2000 02.14.23	Joseph Campbell ghostwrote my novels and all I got was this stupid [MASSIVE PILE OF MONEY]
Ryus 02.14.23	what concerns me is the adults who use harry potter as their only literary touchstone
anode 02.14.23	that cant be true kompy. that joseph campbell ghostwrit all her novels edit: fuck hes that mormon guy. maybe i should stfu edit2 (after googling): nevermind edit3: i still think you were being sarcastic edit4: why cant we just delete comments? edit5: oh yeah then people would be able to take back what they said. alright im done
Kompys2000 02.14.23	Wow anode that comment was like a hero's journey or something damn
Ryus 02.14.23	idk i think he was missing the apotheosis
anode 02.14.23	you really paved the way with your elusive comment
Flugmorph 02.15.23	lmao great stuff
Wildcardbitchesss 02.15.23	anodes comment had a more compelling story than anything in the wizarding world
Jasdevi087 02.15.23	friendly reminder that rowling named one of her only prominent black characters Kingsley Shacklebolt
Gyromania 02.15.23	Lol Kompsy are you seriously being elitist about people liking HP? The spin-offs are terrible tho (Fantastic Beasts I mean), I wish they went with a spin-off story about the marauders instead, it would have been so much better. The lore and world building in the main series is pretty damn solid tho
Jasdevi087 02.15.23	might just be me but the world building kinda stops being good after the first four
JoyfulPlatypus 02.15.23	@Jas - I agree. I thought the world building was top notch through Goblet of Fire, but I thought after that point the whole focus of the story shifts to the war on Voldemort and the world building gets kinda swept under the rug as a result.
rabidfish 02.15.23	the part where they go into de "fucked up/weird shit" deposit in the Ministry of Magic in book 5 was pretty memorable. There's that veil that takes you to the phantom zone or sumn, that shit straight out of superman comics bro.
Kompys2000 02.15.23	"are you seriously being elitist about people liking HP" yes lol
Gyromania 02.15.23	But it’s good! It’s not LotR good, granted, but it’s a step above a lot of fiction imo
Kompys2000 02.15.23	"the part where they go into de "fucked up/weird shit" deposit in the Ministry of Magic in book 5 was pretty memorable" right who could forget the part where neville just bumps into a shelf with all the time machines and breaks them all so fans will stop asking why they don't just use time-turning to go back and save Cedric I MEAN FOR VERY IMPORTANT THEMATIC REASONS IT WASN'T A COPOUT I PROMISE
Gyromania 02.15.23	Yeah Rowling shouldn’t have brought time travel into the series, it’s just too problematic. That said, Prisoner of Azkaban is still great
Kompys2000 02.15.23	first three are all solid kids' books, Goblet is unfocused and overlong but has its moments, Phoenix onwards hovers somewhere around "barely fuckin readable"
Gyromania 02.15.23	I think I’m in the minority who think Phoenix is more focused than Goblet. Half Blood Prince is great but the movie could have been way better, same with Deathly Hallows
Kompys2000 02.15.23	Phoenix also suffers from the film version being by far the biggest glow-up of the lot (Azkaban is better but that book was already good so), David Yates did such a good job that seemingly no one's noticed he's yet to make a second good film
Gyromania 02.15.23	David Yates is generally fucking terrible yeah lol
DocSportello 02.15.23	I'm sorry but this is really silly imo
Gyromania 02.15.23	The game?
anode 02.15.23	thanks for your appearance pots. i for one enjoyed your comment
PizzaBear 02.15.23	"Even if she drew inspiration from real world class and race disparities, does that make a person inherently racist? " If she drew inspiration from real life racist stereotypes to create a race in her book only to have that race by treated as an underclass by the book's protagonists without that ever being questioned or examined, is that racist? Gee idk
Gyromania 02.15.23	Dobby is mistreated and vindicated. As for the goblin bankers, I think it’s a stretch to begin with, but I don’t see how they’re portrayed in any sort of particularly negative light. They aren’t mistreated by the ruling class, they’re often rather intimidating so..
Drifter 02.15.23	How is a race being "intimidating" not a negative light
Odal 02.15.23	You don't see how a race that resembles anti-Semitic caricatures who intimidatingly lord over the gold in this fantasy world might be seen as a bit lazy at best and a bit bigoted at worst?
Gyromania 02.15.23	Who should play the bankers? What race/class would make it morally acceptable to you? What’s the correlation between the goblins and Jewish people? Is it just that they run banks and have big noses? That seems like a pretty weak connection to me/not racist
Gyromania 02.15.23	I don’t even think many Jewish people have particularly large noses outside ashkenazi Jews, which makes that comparison even weaker
Drifter 02.15.23	"What race/class would make it morally acceptable to you?" none lol there shouldn't be a real life equivalent. stop being obtuse
Gyromania 02.15.23	There shouldn’t be wealthy bankers. Got it
Jasdevi087 02.15.23	the bank literally just could have had wizards
Ryus 02.15.23	"I don’t even think many Jewish people have particularly large noses outside ashkenazi Jews, which makes that comparison even weaker" lmao what you think is irrelevant, its still a stereotype that exists
Jasdevi087 02.15.23	phenomenal take
Wildcardbitchesss 02.15.23	This thread makes me want to bash my fucking head against a wall
Ryus 02.15.23	he also said "outside ashkenazi Jews" who comprise more than half of the jews worldwide lmao
Jasdevi087 02.15.23	do it pussy you wont
Gyromania 02.15.23	Goblins have big noses in fiction in general, for a long time. I guess if they own any banks the author is a racist by default. It’s w.e I’m not gonna comment on it further. I think it’s a kind of contrived comparison/a rly shit argument for calling an author a bigot (by this logic several authors are bigots). People can think it if they want. I do think Rowling has said some reprehensible shit, but I think people are wont to find any reason, however trivial to hate on her as a result. And you can hate her, that’s cool. I wouldn’t mind actually discussing the game tho if anyone is down.
Jasdevi087 02.15.23	"he also said "outside ashkenazi Jews" who comprise more than half of the jews worldwide lmao" imagining him typing out the reply and going "hmm, oh, yeah i guess maybe the ashkenazi do kinda have the schnoz" is also fantastic mental image in and of itself
Jasdevi087 02.15.23	"I guess if they own any banks the author is a racist by default" brother they own the only bank "I think it’s a kind of contrived comparison/a rly shit argument for calling an author a bigot" we can also talk about how it's kinda weird that she also created a naturalised slave race for whom crushing an uprising is framed as a good thing for if you want? or, you know, the actual real life bigotry she actively acts upon with material results? I mean I'm pretty sure most people itt pointing out the goblins have given her the benefit of the doubt that she's just a vapid rich white british woman (as opposed to a raging antisemite), but it's kinda weird that the movies and the books kinda just double down on the Goblins instead of re-evaluating them in light of the very obvious way it was going to be received
Gyromania 02.15.23	Again, it’s irrelevant - goblins have always had big noses. Take it up with.. idek who, hundreds of authors, filmmakers, etc.
PizzaBear 02.15.23	"They aren’t mistreated by the ruling class, they’re often rather intimidating so.." The whole idea behind the goblin rebellions mentioned in the book (and which the game revolves around) is essentially a goblins emancipation movement to allow them equal access to magic/wands as wizards and to be treated as equals and wizards are like "no fuck that "
Jasdevi087 02.15.23	"Again, it’s irrelevant - goblins have always had big noses. Take it up with.. idek who, hundreds of authors, filmmakers, etc." maybe i fucking will cunt? never said i wouldn't?
zaruyache 02.15.23	imo the goblin thing might all be coincidence but given that she's otherwise a low-key racist dipshit i can't in good conscience totally ignore it either. but even besides all that, she uses the UK's dipshit libel laws to threaten to sue random UK citizens who call her mean names, so she's pretty irredeemable even if everything else is a coincidence.
Gyromania 02.15.23	I’m sure people spend hours crying over the fact that goblins own Gringotts bank. If it was ruled by wizards then people would be talking about how they’re too privileged or some shit.
Jasdevi087 02.15.23	ok but like... wouldn't that still be better lol?
Ryus 02.15.23	basically everyone in this thread has said that it probably wasnt intentional antisemitism but we were just pointing out the combination of tropes she/the films used
Gyromania 02.15.23	Sure, why not. Hopefully they remake the movies with this in mind so we can all watch them again guilt-free
PizzaBear 02.15.23	Are you incapable of critical thought? Do the goblins need to have a star of David slapped on them for you to get how there's parallels here? Oh wait in the movies they even do https://twitter.com/MarciaBelsky/status/1064234605698519041?s=20&t=ZOJuRpbHLDzouzjJGLogIQ
GhandhiLion 02.15.23	https://twitter.com/SoulofTwhit/status/1207818266783178752?s=20
DocSportello 02.15.23	"You don't see how a race that resembles anti-Semitic caricatures who intimidatingly lord over the gold in this fantasy world might be seen as a bit lazy at best and a bit bigoted at worst?" "There shouldn’t be wealthy bankers. Got it" This. This is silly. Dude attempts to lay out why the whole goblin thing has folks in a swivet and you act offended and blow it off. But like 'shouldn't be wealthy bankers' that's such a flippant response to ^^ but then again i hear you get to cast unforgivable curses without much consequence in this game so what do I know
PizzaBear 02.15.23	@Ghandhi I know it's another unfortunate coincidence but it was too good not to point out ha
Gyromania 02.15.23	Alright sure, JK Rowling hates Jewish people and is a hardcore racist and the goblins are supposed to be representative of Jewish people. Moving along
Ryus 02.15.23	again, dont think anybody said that in this thread lol. your weird strawmen are getting tiresome
Jasdevi087 02.15.23	cannot understand why it's so incredibly intellectually challenging for you to grasp the fact that people think its hilariously inept that the goblins accidently tick every single box for jewish caricature, with the film-makers even shooting in a bank that happened to have a goddamn star of david on the floor, and not a single person involved in the process went "wait... yeah nah we're fucking this up" lol like, that's it, no one's calling for fucking reparations and shit lol, they're just saying it's dumb. but here you are throwing yourself into a tizzy trying to justify to yourself that there is absolutely nothing weird about it so that you don't have to engage with it while you enjoy your marginally above average whimsical children's book about magical british kids. which, btw, no one is trying to stop you from doing lol, i watch these movies every other year
zaruyache 02.15.23	like you can take the non-human magical creatures running a bank as a quirky weird thing in your YA fantasy series, but it becomes a bit more sus when the plot of your new video game is about how those greedy little bankers are secretly trying to usurp the rule of pure-blooded wizard kind.
Gyromania 02.15.23	Ryus: sorry, pls tell me what to think and I’ll amend my statement
Ryus 02.15.23	good one man
PizzaBear 02.15.23	Dude stop being such a fucking coward and engage with what people are saying or just stfu and go back to your middling aaa rpg already
Jasdevi087 02.15.23	"Ryus: sorry, pls tell me what to think and I’ll amend my statement" at all, would be a pretty decent start
Gyromania 02.15.23	Okay sure, the parallels are plain as day and it’s racist. Agreed. Again, moving along
Jasdevi087 02.15.23	"Alright sure, JK Rowling hates Jewish people and is a hardcore racist and the goblins are supposed to be representative of Jewish people. Moving along" we're literally taking pains to assure that you understand we don't actually think she's a racist
kevbogz 02.15.23	i thought movie corps were owned by the jews tho why would they make fun of themselves
DocSportello 02.15.23	you are literally signaling for us to err away from friendliness lmao
Gyromania 02.15.23	"you are literally signaling for us to err away from friendliness lmao" That's total bs man. I was stating my case for why I don't see the parallels and met with nothing but scoffing douchebaggery. Then new information was added like the goblin rebellion and star of david, and the whole thing reframed in the context of me being too stupid to see despite all this evidence. I haven't seen the movies in ages. Idr the goblin rebellion and i didn't see the star of david. Shoot me. Maybe there is more merit for it in light of these things I don't remember/didn't know, but under my original assumptions, I still say I had good reason to say the parallels were weak (the nose thing and them owning a bank, I mean.)
DocSportello 02.15.23	ok sure but I was talking about the signal where you call your interlocutors cunts
Jasdevi087 02.15.23	it's the house elves that rebel, not the goblins
Gyromania 02.15.23	Well, they are. Go read the origin of where this all started, they were very blatantly antagonistic from the start, and I asked earlier too: "What’s the correlation between the goblins and Jewish people? Is it just that they run banks and have big noses?" which was completely ignored. That plus being called "obtuse" while still lacking the full context, yeah, I'm not going to respond with niceties.
Storm In A Teacup 02.15.23	"Best Harry Potter game " I'm surprised to hear isn't the first one since the original awful attempt.
Gyromania 02.15.23	Jase: yeah he said goblin rebellion, which added to my confusion. Anyway I'll just go fuck myself
DocSportello 02.15.23	man there is a real big history of jews being depicted as verminous, base, goblinesque you might say - pair that with another real history of jews being depicted as corrupt wealth managers (or worse) - and then see bank goblins as the arbitrary evil in the huge new Harry Potter game . . . I mean, yeah it could totally be an accident but yeah it could also totally seem a little in bad taste to jews, you know? not that this ruins the game, it's just an observation
Gyromania 02.15.23	Okay, and at the same time, I feel like an argument could be made saying that if you see a big nose and bank teller and think "Jew", it's a bad look on you. Also, just looked up the star of david thing and (lol) literally right under the tweet that Pizza guy sent earlier, there's this: "Replying to @MarciaBelsky and @jonrosenberg While I'm definitely no defender of Rowling (she sucks), this was filmed in the famous 'Australia House' embassy in London and that's just what the floor looks like there. It could have influenced the choice of location but it's not something they added after the fact." I'm totally convinced they chose this location to further their plan to throw in subtle antisemitism
sonictheplumber 02.15.23	penis!
DocSportello 02.15.23	lmao yes
Storm In A Teacup 02.15.23	Just fuck everybody. Burn it all down.
unclereich 02.15.23	what would George lucas think
Storm In A Teacup 02.15.23	I haven't read much of this thread as I think all of you are annoying as well as every human on E-Arth, but reporting this thread to be deleted is the biggest offender. Just fucking argue if you're gonna and don't run to the mods for deletion cuz you can't handle it.
pizzamachine 02.15.23	Talking is an essential part of the human experience
ToSmokMuzyki 02.15.23	lmaaaaaaaaaaao wtf this shit was 40 posts like yesterday
ToSmokMuzyki 02.15.23	someone archive quick
sonictheplumber 02.15.23	penis!
Gyromania 02.15.23	Yeah Idk how it got this long. I haven't read more than half of it
Storm In A Teacup 02.15.23	I've read enough. Like 10%. Wasn't worth it. No offense. 😃
DocSportello 02.15.23	yeah i honestly only read potsy's bit and a little bit around when I made the mistake of engaging with this black hole of a thread 4/10 about what you'd expect I expect
pizzamachine 02.15.23	Michael Jackson - Thriller There, saved the thread
Colton 02.15.23	i hope you all get hog warts
Storm In A Teacup 02.15.23	"If she drew inspiration from real life racist stereotypes to create a race in her book only to have that race by treated as an underclass by the book's protagonists without that ever being questioned or examined, is that racist? Gee idk" I think this is where that phrase bringing awareness came from
sonictheplumber 02.15.23	potato's in here?
sonictheplumber 02.15.23	ACDC :D
budgie 02.15.23	so anyway who else is excited for that varg vikernes arpg coming to steam
sonictheplumber 02.15.23	ACDC :D
ToSmokMuzyki 02.15.23	ACDC IS METAL AS FUCK
sonictheplumber 02.15.23	keep rowlin rowlin rowlin rowling
DocSportello 02.15.23	dis course
sonictheplumber 02.15.23	hell acdc is political. down payment blues is about welfare. class consciousness. powerage is marxist rock
sonictheplumber 02.15.23	dirty deeds = capitalism
Calc 02.15.23	can always count on you gyro for at least two of these per year hell yeah
sonictheplumber 02.15.23	no list about UFO shot down? how about ohio explosion covered up by elites?
sonictheplumber 02.15.23	train recently explode in ohio, the elites keeping it hush hush because some of epstein's files were on the train
DocSportello 02.15.23	the lizard people have us right where they want us. all these terrible distractions while the royals pull the strings and are prepping prince harry to take over the world
sonictheplumber 02.15.23	well if harrys as antisemitic as people in this thread say he is, he's not gonna be in charge of a fuckin hot dog stand
LeDemonLemon 02.15.23	classic sput thread
Flugmorph 02.15.23	funniest thread I've ever seen
Gyromania 02.15.23	Agreed
Sharenge 02.15.23	ctrl-f "goblins" >41 matches found
Ryus 02.15.23	we were talking about skele
Calc 02.15.23	i miss skele
Flugmorph 02.15.23	isn't he still here?
JoyfulPlatypus 02.15.23	Yeah he is lol I'm pretty sure his alt is FreakMachine.
Flugmorph 02.15.23	yep thats him
pizzamachine 02.15.23	Yap
SteakByrnes 02.15.23	yea that's the vile creature right there
sonictheplumber 02.15.23	penis!
unclereich 02.15.23	SSRIs: a thread
ToSmokMuzyki 02.16.23	LMAO
Gyromania 02.16.23	Still a better love story than Twilight tho?
pizzamachine 02.16.23	so the lion fell in love with the lamb
anarchistfish 02.16.23	You guys read
Mort. 02.16.23	hell yeah i read i read fine literature like the divergent series
pizzamachine 02.16.23	I read your mom
budgie 02.16.23	LOl!
anarchistfish 02.17.23	I hope you read her something nice
ToSmokMuzyki 02.17.23	pride and prejudice
Gmork89 02.17.23	Are we talking about the quality of the game yet?
SomeCallMeTim 02.17.23	what game
Pho3nix 02.17.23	One of the best dungeon synth projects: https://ps1hagrid.bandcamp.com/album/ps1-hagrids-wonderful-adventure-ep