JohnnyoftheWell
04.24.23 | oh it's on |
pizzamachine
04.24.23 | Exciting times |
PotsyTater
04.24.23 | I checked both of their ratings I’ll save everyone some time here:
Gyro’s are better |
normaloctagon
04.24.23 | johnny youve never listened to TRIBE?! |
Mort.
04.24.23 | Well played Johnny with your master degree in "kind of ambient breakbeat" and its relevance in the world of electronic musica, which unfortunately won t die with your generation. |
normaloctagon
04.24.23 | pitting the ratings of someone from the UK versus someone who's not from the UK is a rigged contest yeah lol |
unclereich
04.24.23 | which is more egregious 5ing mewithoutyou or 5ing dance gavin dance |
Mort.
04.24.23 | probably 5ing dance gavin dance but i will not apologise i love those albums |
unclereich
04.24.23 | mewithoutdoodoo |
PotsyTater
04.24.23 | Yeah probably dgd although I’d probably rather listen to dgd than mwy |
Egarran
04.24.23 | Subscribe
The banter will be legendary |
normaloctagon
04.24.23 | peewithoutpoo? |
unclereich
04.24.23 | you can peewithoutpoo but can you poowithoutpee?
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JohnnyoftheWell
04.24.23 | "which is more egregious 5ing mewithoutyou or 5ing dance gavin dance"
thank you that's one less round i need to think of
next round lessgo |
kevbogz
04.24.23 | and not a single tool 5 was had :') |
Storm In A Teacup
04.24.23 | Neither of you are Get Low youre both winners! |
Egarran
04.24.23 | Shh let it go storm |
Storm In A Teacup
04.24.23 | Huh? What happened? Is there something to let go? Lol |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.24.23 | mort comeback is maybe underway |
Ryus
04.24.23 | 5 vs 6 is the most lukewarm matchup yet still has a clear choice yet you still chose the wrong one :[ |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.24.23 | extremely seek-sunlight take
we are now neck and neck |
Storm In A Teacup
04.24.23 | Oh boy are we all about to mort? |
unclereich
04.24.23 | shiner is an interesting 5 and gets the w for simply not being kid a |
normaloctagon
04.24.23 | ryus dont make me smack the youth out of you that matchup is upper-middle-tier afx versus one of the most influential albums of all time |
Mort.
04.24.23 | my 3 shiner 5s is probs a bit excessive.
lula divinia is a forever 5, the other 2 are deffo subject to change |
normaloctagon
04.24.23 | probably not more excessive than my five deftones 5s tbh imo ftr |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.24.23 | norma sort ur shit out
the tension is rising we are halfway and the lead is null |
normaloctagon
04.24.23 | i'll sort my mess out after you listen so some freakin tribe called quest you heckin goon!!! |
Ryus
04.24.23 | "one of the most influential albums of all time"
where would we be without rancid ;_;
that aphex twin album is decent enough, never really liked him all that much but def not bad |
unclereich
04.24.23 | Don’t question your 5s mort. People who give out more 5s are way happier than those who don’t :3 |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.24.23 | this site exists as karmic punishment to render that statement untrue lemme 5post you |
PotsyTater
04.24.23 | The baths album is better than the love album vastly and if you can’t choose between the two then just choose baths because it’s gay
Also I don’t need to hear shiner to know they are awful, we all know you just want to pretend you don’t like Radiohead for the optics |
Mort.
04.25.23 | 'Also I don’t need to hear shiner to know they are awful'
this is a prejudice and therefore some sort of ism and therefore bad |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.25.23 | liking shiner for optics > hating radiohead for optics >>> hating shiner for optics |
pizzamachine
04.25.23 | Good music on list mostly |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.25.23 | yeah most of both these lists are reassuringly good
new round and the tension is still u p |
PotsyTater
04.25.23 | All of those optics are better than the optics of having an alt rock tag and a band name that sounds like you play radio hard rock |
Ryus
04.25.23 | shiner slapz |
PotsyTater
04.25.23 | And album covers that either look Steven Wilson approved or like they are the worst 90s Brit pop you’ve ever heard |
PotsyTater
04.25.23 | Don’t try to tell me shiner slaps. Shiner is bad I just know it in my guts. |
Sinternet
04.25.23 | Ill give you a shiner buddy |
Ryus
04.25.23 | shiner slapz dick |
PotsyTater
04.25.23 | Don’t fucking say that again |
Sinternet
04.25.23 | Dick slap shiner, kinky |
Ryus
04.25.23 | im sorry but shiner slapz hard penis |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.25.23 | this next round is large |
ArsMoriendi
04.25.23 | Wow that Forever Changes take is just one bad sentence after another |
Gyromania
04.25.23 | Oh man this is big! I can’t believe I lost a round with station to staton omg that makes me want to die but cerulean is pretty incredible |
PotsyTater
04.25.23 | Ryus I fucking warned you |
PotsyTater
04.25.23 | XTC does not beat deltron you are bad at this game |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.25.23 | Deltron is better but less likely to get you laid if you try to impersonate it don't call me |
PotsyTater
04.25.23 | That…… is probably true |
ConcubinaryCode
04.25.23 | This was a fun list to read ty. I guess that's why they pay you the big bucks ayy the site stays alive with fun contributions like this. |
DocSportello
04.25.23 | lmao |
Trifolium
04.25.23 | This is amazing I love it!!! |
Pheromone
04.25.23 | woo go mort |
Pikazilla
04.25.23 | did britain win |
fogza
04.25.23 | is this the greatest list of all time |
kalkwiese
04.25.23 | This list fucks |
Demon of the Fall
04.25.23 | '(and, arguably, none of us would still be talking about it without Mort).'
Yes, that's definitely arguable!
entertaining list, am hoping there will be more in the 'series' at some point |
AsleepInTheBack
04.25.23 | Pos fun idea go go go |
Egarran
04.25.23 | You have to appreciate the social dynamics here. Johnny and mort are the power couple of sputnik and gyro is more like a gimp they keep in a box. Still he gets a seemingly fair treatment. |
Demon of the Fall
04.25.23 | I'm wondering if the participants consented before being exposed like this |
AsleepInTheBack
04.25.23 | I’d bet my left nipple that this was a surprise to all involved, including Johnny |
Mort.
04.25.23 | I am responsible for shiner awareness, this was all a ploy to get shiner more visibility |
fogza
04.25.23 | don't they shine already (sorry i know) |
Mort.
04.25.23 | john nathan please finish this, i had a mole cut out of my leg today and im in bed feeling sore need a distraction |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.25.23 | The final showdown is brewing, but will it help your convalescence? |
PotsyTater
04.25.23 | TMI |
PotsyTater
04.25.23 | Johnny peep this immediately https://www.sputnikmusic.com/soundoff.php?albumid=380111 |
unclereich
04.25.23 | we're all winners |
Kompys2000
04.25.23 | Hrrrrmmmmmm not sure I can agree with Deltron having more sex appeal than HOLV, the Cocteau-Twins-are-for-softbois stereotype strikes me as a p weak justification for the inherent dorkiness of putting on a concept album about rapping robots to seduce your partner |
PotsyTater
04.25.23 | Deltron has tonnes of sex appeal…
Compared to Aesop rock |
unclereich
04.25.23 | that album will last a lot longer than I will |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.26.23 | okay let's finish this
@komp I half agree with you and half think Deltron just has more groove(=sex), but mort would have clinched it either way
round 9 incoming |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.26.23 | it is down to the wire.
...and it is over gg |
PotsyTater
04.26.23 | I literally told you gyro wins 30 seconds after you posted the list and you were like “no pots I have to make this whole entertaining effort post for the people” |
Ryus
04.26.23 | wtf is 29 |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.26.23 | on the one hand yeah, on the other hand i personally relish being forced to decide whether david bowie is gay enough to go head to head with baths
29 is 2020's version of tender prey with even more of a death fetish |
PotsyTater
04.26.23 | I think you settled on a pretty legit conclusion Re: gayness of baths v bowie |
PotsyTater
04.26.23 | This makes me want to make a legitimate earnest 5’s list |
PotsyTater
04.26.23 | But the problem is I still don’t know if I’m supposed to 5 albums I think are classics or albums I think are perfect because those are two distinctly different lists and I can’t handle the stress |
Mort.
04.26.23 | 5 albums you think are better than 4.5s
4.5 albums not as good as your 5s
and so on and so on |
Mort.
04.26.23 | also thank you for this list johnny, gave me some chuckles |
Ryus
04.26.23 | "But the problem is I still don’t know if I’m supposed to 5 albums I think are classics or albums I think are perfect because those are two distinctly different lists and I can’t handle the stress "
the latter |
PotsyTater
04.26.23 | But that’s not what “classic” means to me |
Ryus
04.26.23 | ig i get it but i just pretend 5.0 means basically perfect |
PotsyTater
04.26.23 | I’ll give an easy example. 36 chambers is classic. But I also don’t think it’s perfect. But I guess in that instance where 36 chambers is a 5 I’m trying to rate objectively which is less interesting than just being purely subjective. But like I also would feel so dirty giving 36 chambers a 4.5. Cuz it’s a 5. But it’s also not one of my fav albums. |
Ryus
04.26.23 | yeah ive never had that problem, i have no qualms about 4.0ing albums i consider a classic |
PotsyTater
04.26.23 | But as far as being “classic” is concerned, sometimes legacy and influence has more weight than just simply being an album that perfectly meets my tastes |
PotsyTater
04.26.23 | This is why I just 5 everything |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.26.23 | increments do make life a whole lot easier a the top end
4 = records where i don't think there's anything major worth complaining about (or flawed records with huge perks that overshadow everything)
4+ = go with gut reaction, chances are it's actually vaguely meaningful for records you like this much
5 = perfection and optics
classic = who cares someone else has already listed those
3.7 and maybe 3.9 are useful increments, but otherwise i'd happily see everything else converted back to the .5 system |
PotsyTater
04.26.23 | Maybe I’ll try and make a 5’s list that doesn’t have any classics and see if I have a menty b |
Ryus
04.26.23 | noice |
PotsyTater
04.26.23 | If yall never hear from me again just make sure to carry the weight of this being all your fault for the rest of your lives |
pizzamachine
04.26.23 | “sometimes legacy and influence has more weight than just simply being an album that perfectly meets my tastes”
Agreee |
PotsyTater
04.26.23 | How much do you guys listen to an album to consider it a 5 like does that weigh into your 🐀ings at all cuz I can think of albums I think are perfect that I haven’t listened to that many times |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.26.23 | Don't think I've ever given an album more than 4.5 on first jam
Excepting Visit Kalvhaga/sach/pizza???
And Glitch Princess |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.26.23 | also I think I've finally found a suitable alb for your dance comp phew |
PotsyTater
04.26.23 | I don’t mean first jam but I mean like do you only 5 albums you’ve listened to enough to become formative or do you 5 albums you’ve gotten briefly obsessed with and listened to like a dozen or couple dozen times in a year and not touched much since |
PotsyTater
04.26.23 | And do you 5 all albums you’ve ever considered a 5 or do you un 5 albums that were formative but have fallen out of circulation |
pizzamachine
04.26.23 | I 5 the kinda shit I can put on and not wonder if I enjoy it. Sometimes they’re formative albums, sometimes not. |
PotsyTater
04.26.23 | I honestly think the only way I could do it without losing my mind would be to treat it like I was making a self-portrait using albums |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.26.23 | a full answer to that would compress too many separate headaches into one comment, but I think this should cover the ins and outs: https://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?memberid=538903&listid=201874
but tl;dr yes formative (if not, then comprehensively representative of some [whatever] that I highly value) and no to brief obsessions. un5ing is more for albums that stop mattering the same way, and falling out of circulation isn't always symptomatic of that |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.26.23 | "would be to treat it like I was making a self-portrait using albums"
yes optics!! this is defs part of what makes it meaningful imo |
PotsyTater
04.26.23 | It’s tricky cuz like I’d have to 5 shit like kid a and amnesiac and I know you know the pain |
PotsyTater
04.26.23 | Definitely both albums where even tho the formative period is well over, every time I do listen to them it really brings up feefees for such a distinct life period |
PotsyTater
04.26.23 | It would be kind of a cross between optics and just being genuinely true to what has been impactful, because if it was pure optics I’d omit Radiohead, but if it was pure impact I’d have to include shit like the fragile by nine inch nails and that’s not happening because it actually doesn’t make me feel anything anymore |
PotsyTater
04.26.23 | I think the solution is to listen to each possible album again now and see if it still makes me ~feel~ |
pizzamachine
04.26.23 | Yeah I do that too. If it doesn’t gimme feels no thanks. |
Demon of the Fall
04.26.23 | gyro said this about Bambara... 'This album is basically what you'd get if Nick Cave still made good music.'
so I'm glad you choose that one, because now I'm gonna check |
Demon of the Fall
04.26.23 | nice close contest, I did enjoy the 'analysis'
looking forward to another round someday |
Demon of the Fall
04.26.23 | 'But the problem is I still don’t know if I’m supposed to 5 albums I think are classics or albums I think are perfect...'
the latter (2), oh definitely the latter
it's a personal thing, music history has already defined what's a 'classic', it's been done countless times by countless people... the information is mostly already out there unless you're truly ahead of the curve or whatever (i.e. influential / significant shit people don't realise matters etc.). The vast majority of legitimate 'classics' aren't like this, why regurgitate what's already out there?
tl;dr - you do you, forget the term 'classic' on Sput, just pretend it means something else |
Pikazilla
04.26.23 | so england didn't win huh
johnny expect to be court-martialed for treason in the coming weeks |
AsleepInTheBack
04.26.23 | Lovely chat re what is 5 YES
“ I honestly think the only way I could do it without losing my mind would be to treat it like I was making a self-portrait using albums “ I love this
I’ve been meaning to rethink my 5s as they are quite out of date (in the sense that my taste has broadened significantly since whenever I last updated them in ermmm 2019?!) and I really like the self portrait idea as a starting point but then again I cant see myself debumping any of my current 5s so I guess ima go on a mad 5-ing quest
I’d never 5 just because of vaguely objective classic status tho as ye nah |
AsleepInTheBack
04.26.23 | Increments do help in the 4+ range tho as ye all of my 4.7s are basically 5s on a good day but are those which I don’t identify with in the same unhealthy weird codependent way as I do with my actual sad boi 5s |
Demon of the Fall
04.26.23 | major jelly of those who're blessed with increments in general, but the 4.7 is possibly the holy grail where that's concerned |
ffs
04.26.23 | fun list |
deathschool
04.26.23 | This is a good idea for a list. I think I have to give it to Gyro too. Surprisingly. Mort is still among sputnik besties. |
Gyromania
04.28.23 | Finally got a chance to sit down and read all of this. I commend your ability to spontaneously pump out something this epic in no time at all. Very entertaining. After narrowly losing in Potsy’s contest, this is a HUGE W for me and has made me consider 5ing Stray. |
ArsMoriendi
04.28.23 | Johnny who would you vs. me against ;) |
FadedSun
04.28.23 | Have Sowing do this. That dude hands out 5s like candy. |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.28.23 | maybe Sowing vs. Sinternet can be a thing
or Pika !!!
Ars hmmm idk, you're on the lorge end of moderately long and i wanna match them numbers |
Ryus
04.28.23 | Ryus |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.28.23 | ryus vs demon |
PotsyTater
04.28.23 | Not as much as you hand out rimmers to mediocre hip hop producers fadedsimp |
Demon of the Fall
04.28.23 | 'ryus vs demon'
I'll need 5 seconds of pre-warning, as I'm gonna batch update any day now, almost done (plus I could potentially fudge a few for the optics, hehe... probably wouldn't actually do this)
can't see me 'finishing' on any more than 30 x 5s |
unclereich
04.28.23 | demon has shaking the habitual 5'd :0 |
Demon of the Fall
04.28.23 | I'm currently in the process of revamping, but I didn't even consider dropping that one. Incredible album.
It definitely took a little while to grasp it as a whole. Well worth the endeavour. |
Egarran
04.28.23 | Still putting all my money on Ryus |
Demon of the Fall
04.28.23 | that seems like a wise choice regardless yeah, haha |
parksungjoon
04.28.23 | voting for whoever earnestly 5s killing joke debut |
Trebor.
04.29.23 | please do this with me |