Are Whirr particularly popular though?

I mean, I've enjoyed a couple of their releases but I've never got the sense that they're a well followed band (granted I live in the UK)

In the current shoegaze circuit, they're probably the most well known. Popular being relative to that.

yeah they are probably the biggest of all the modern shoegaze bands, so they're popular in that sense. not so much in a broader sense

what's the point

fuuuuuck i hope graveface drops em cuz that label has some good shit going for it that whirr could throw a spanner into. just bought the new des ark album on tape from them and the label deserves all the positive rep it can get to push quality records like that one.

aaaaahahahaha fucking finally

talk shit get hit

"Never listened to these guys.
Looked at the tweets.
Am going to make an effort to continue never listening to these guys."

I mean, it's no [insert 5 of yours here] but holy shit that's stupid

NOOOOOOI

Does anyone not dig shoegaze tho? It's fairly inoffensive.

Is it at all possible they've been hacked though? Or are they literally so stupid that they think they can get away with saying this stuff?

No, Whirr is known for doing stuff like this. It's hardly anything new.

It must have been a slow day at the office (or at home, in this case)

I will continue to illegally download their albums.

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Penis

they've called people fags before and now they're attacking a queer band so

I stopped following them on facebook ago because it seemed like their page was run by a hyper-immature teenager. Can't read the tweets bc am at work, but I'm sure they're not really out-of-line with their old facebook posting style. Idk if they were trolling or just massive douches, but either way they seemed pretty insensitive toward pretty much everything.

cant say im surprised. he probably won't but i hope nick owns up and apologizes. either way im still gonna listen to their music

they were pretty dicky but it always hurts me inside when the sjws get their way, right or not ;_;

just checked rfc's website and it looks like camera shy got dropped too damn

First off: they clarified that in the article
Secondly: Burzum is better than anything you will ever listen too
Thirdly: GLOSS is okay.
Fourthly: Fuck random overly opinionated shits
Fifthly: Whirr is p good

Will now be referring to them as a Shoe band, as they obviously hate the gaze

no but really fuck this band so much

Secondly: Coming from the site that still listens to Burzum. Go f*** yourself.

Perfectly reasonable decision rather than being a dumbass about other people's musical tastes

Glad someone mentioned Burzum. If you listen to Burzum but lambast this band, go fuck yourself. This band is probably full of shitheads, and Varg Vikernes is an even bigger shithead. It's not metal to murder people or be an anit-semite and it's not cool to act like a dickhead on the internet and talk shit. If you want to still listen to Burzum or Whirr just because of their music, that's fine. Just don't make excuses for one and then hate on the other.

dimsim basically already said what I was trying to say. But yeah, listen to whatever you want. Good music is good music.

@texx I mean I think you have good musical taste and I don't really have anything against you but you're trying to defend this band you like by making fun of someone for a band that they like. Doesn't make much sense to me. Also yeah I think BVB sucks a lot but Snide has always been pretty cool, don't think listening to them makes him "a piece of shit". Pretty sure supporting a trans-and-homophobic band would fall closer to that logic.

Yikes okay yep, I'm out

"they've called people fags before and now they're attacking a queer band so"

They actually haven't done that. Only things they done to trigger SJWs is along people retards and telling people to kill themselves. Id like to think they're still just trolling but even so these comments might make it hard for me to wear my Whirr shirt at shows now...

itt people who whine about sjw's

it's already been firmly established with countless scientific studies that any kind of gender reassignment therapy (as in, psychiatric kind of therapy) simply does not work, and that successfully transitioning leads to a happy life for the person in question far more times than not. your ideas of what is 'healthy' and what isn't is completely worthless to any discussion due to your ignorance on the subject. no one cares what bothers you, either. when dealing with highly sensitive issues you're far better off being respectful rather than literally claiming you would "wear [transphobia] with pride".

ps fuck whirr. if anyone still wants to listen to them, whatever, not my business, but i won't be joining you.

Top kek
SJW tears are delicous tbh m80s

i have been told i'm pretty delicious [:

personal autonomy isn't anyone else's business by definition sooooo :-]

lol when trolling goes to far.. whirr is still a good band though people get offended by everything nowadays

personal autonomy isn't anyone else's business by definition sooooo :-]

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it's not that people are more easily offended so much as it is people are less willing to deal with stupid.

lol when trolling goes to far.. whirr is still a good band though people get offended by everything nowadays


For the most part I fucking hate when people say stuff like this

The band has put out an apology on twitter, blaming the tweets on a friend that had access to post on their twitter. Not sure if people are gonna buy it. It's kind of a phony excuse, but I'm hoping there is truth to it. They've always seemed like good dudes and everybody I've talked to that knows the band personally can only say good.

people rly need to move on from the "SJW" term

when used in a derogatory manner it just sounds so absurd. the person loses credibility in my eyes and i just can't help but tune them out

Agreed with Enya

Fuck this band, they've been saying shit like this for months. Cool to see them get some comeuppance

still love their music but I can't support this shit. Their apology (which has back pedaling written all over it) only makes them look worse

Wow itt "oppressed" straight white males

gloss actually sucks though

Wow itt "oppressed" straight white males


?????????

I fail to see that ??

Plot twist: texx is a band member of Whirr.

Sucks finding out one of your favorite new bands might actually believe this shit. Gonna be interesting how this all pans out for the other bands that share members of whirr (nothing and best coast particularly)

This should've happened when this band threw a huge fit on their Facebook and called their fans pussies. God these dudes are assholes, i'm glad RFC is dropping them.

i made this post and it went all around the 'underground' music side of tumblr, unfortunately the band never responded like they normally do to getting called out on their childish bs

http://stardestroyeriitiir.tumblr.com/post/115819801150

v unfortunate to see decent band pull some bs like this, shoulda kept their asinine shit to themselves

gloss does fucking suck though

They're so fucking phony. They were always dicks, but therein lies their dilemma; there's been a litany of stuff Whirr's said that's pissed people off, be it homophobic, misogynistic, calling people "retarded," and just generally being pricks. Every time they've been the target of "internet lynch mobs" (lmao?) they just doubled down. Fine, whatever, it's their prerogative to be assholes.

The moment their label dropped them they go "oh, no, it wasn't anybody in the band." Even if that's true, who's going to believe them at that point? Especially when unaccompanied by any apology/censure of the statements that got them in trouble.

If you're going to sacrifice dignity by being a shithead, at least preserve your integrity. If you're gonna be dirtbags, be prepared to be treated like dirtbags.

also G.L.O.S.S. >>> Whirr

they weren't ever outright misogynistic until now (unless you count calling people "pussies") or homophobic. but yeah they overstepped their boundaries this time. they got what they deserved. also fuck texx28

good, piece of shit dudes in a piece of shit band

i just figured i'd toss every phobic in there for good measure cause i'm confident if they had the opportunity to piss someone off by saying something homophobic they'd jump all over it

Jesus Christ this comment section turned into a shit show, like most conversations about trans people do.

I'm trans myself. All studies show hormone therapy/surgery are the only things that alleviate gender dysphoria, counseling/therapy does not help at all.

Also brain scans of MtF people show that their brains match with the gender they identify as, not their birth sex. It was published in Nature and quite a few other scientific journals and shit. So it is as physical/physiological as it is mental.

But yeah, now that I've had my mini rant against this Texx guy, fuck Whirr.

transphobia is not something to take pride in you dumb cunt

actually hilarious how all their comments got them was dropped from their label and good exposure for g.l.o.s.s.

" like most conversations about trans people do. "

actually this site's pretty supportive of that last I checked. Prob not in random article threads tho

its looking like graveface might drop em too but its kinda implicit so take it as u will

https://twitter.com/graveface_recs/status/656493514822434816

oh dear uneducated users talking about being happy to be transphobic wow look at you aren't you the pinnacle of human achievement you irrationally hate a group of people congrats

man they brought up a bunch of shit regarding suicide in the same chain of tweets. these guys are the worst

also yeah fuck these guys they ain't that good tbh

i give it a month before whirr's broken up and nick's kicked out of nothing tbh

Fuck you, texx. Just: fuck you.

People like you hold me back from recommending this site to other people, and I've been here a damn decade.

'Btw, I'm a homosexual living in the second largest "gay" community in the country. *shrug* I support rights for queers, not transtrenders.'

If I even believed that for a second, and didn't think you were being a pathetic little sockpuppet, then you would still be trash.

just pls stop texx

lol embarrassing. you know, a lot of people thought there were better ways to "cope" with homosexuality too. people still think you can send a kid to bible camp and preach the gay out of him. you're using that same backwards logic. stop being an idiot

who cares what it involves? if something as simple as estrogen makes a positive impact on a person i feel as though they should be allowed to have access to it.

inb4 texx gets banned. y'all keep your agendas in the forums or something.

lol @ your usage of the words "bodily mutilation"

lol

and they'll take note of your IP address and you'll get banned again, wasting your time and others'. there's literally nothing to gain by spouting hate on the news article on sputnikmusic. people will turn on you, you'll get banned, the cycle continues.

edit: (texx's comments got deleted)

Why even respond to this guy..

lol if someone dont want a dick or a pussy get rid of it why should you, me or anyone else give a shit? that's only really scratching the surface of what it is to be transgender though

bruh this is 2015. transphobia ain't

they don't actually do IP bans. anyway it's obviously not a "punishment" lol but why waste your time.

edit: (texx's comments got deleted)

It's true; I registered for this site when I was 6.

LOL forced female genital mutilation and reassignment surgery are two different things my dude. you actin like niggas and bitches cuttin they shit off with a ceremonial blade lmao

clearly someone doesn't understand trans people consent to this

^ thought that was a given but the homie may need that clarification as he seems to be a slow learner

And you're an accredited member of the APA?

no, but the several medical professionals you have to visit to get this surgery should

"Bodily mutilation" fucking lol.

Statement on Graveface Records' Facebook:

"There are no contracts at Graveface so there's no booting anyone off. Simply enough I will not be releasing records by anyone I know to be hateful, especially in regards to all of this. Cheers"

transphobia is not something to take pride in you dumb cunt
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"actually this site's pretty supportive of that last I checked. Prob not in random article threads tho"

True, I was mostly talking about youtube/facebook comments. That always devolves into shit quickly.

And Jesus Christ, I don't care if this Texx guy is trolling or not, fuck him.

shit thread good band

You know there's a functional difference between mutilation and modification, right?

No, if someone removes a tumor or extra finger or something, it is bodily mutilation. How dare they change their own body to be how they want it or improve their overall health. /s

fuck em

I will admit, I was a bit transphobic at first, because I didn't understand much about the trans community or gender identity-- I just didn't get why anyone would have that kind of trouble with themselves or want to change in that way, but I don't have to get it.
I, admittedly, still don't know a ton about the trans community, but I do know that I've never been intolerant of any other group of people, so why would I be now? I feel terrible that I ever thought even for a second that it was wrong to want to change yourself to whatever you see fit. Let people be and if you don't like it, at least keep your mouth shut.

I dont like either band. Think they're both generic and boring as shit. But, fuck whirr real hard for saying that stuff. There's no call for that. I've always thought they were jerks over social media. their persona made me never want to listen to them

Damn the chick from Waxahatchee totally shit on Whirr lol, it seems they've finally managed to piss a shitload of people off. Honestly their "douchey edgy so troll" internet persona was stupid as fuck in the first place and this is incident is isn't surprising in the least.

I only listen to pipe dreams and distressor, everything post-pipe dreams sounds fine but I can't get into the vocals at all. But a horde of people on twitter shit on their music though which is pretty hilarious. It's not like their music is transphobic or hateful in any way, maybe chill?

The tweet from GLOSS vocalist:"r u just sad u missed the boat on punk and play music for people with Macklemore hair who blog about bacon-infused bloodymarys?" lol I mean i'm not disputing that Whirr's fan base has their fair share of tools, but sweeping generalization much? Just adding more bullshit and hate to the situation, even though i'm sure plenty of Whirr fans are pissed at the band too and there's no defending of what was said by them.

wait if people aren't supposed to call sjws by that name without sounding dumb, how do we do it? white knights? 3rd wave feminists? what do.

Distressor was good

I mean, it's possible to be against disgusting transphobia and shaming of mental illness without being a "sjw". Just a thought.

"Honestly their "douchey edgy so troll" internet persona was stupid"

yeah, trying to be super edgy whilst playing shoegaze is kind of redundant.

varg should do shoegaze

varg's version of shoegaze would just be throwing shoes at gays buh dum tsh

"@free_whirl "boys in panties" > boys with clean flannels and backstage laminates who hate women because they know women are superior to them"

rekt

Whirr are a shit band anyways. G.L.O.S.S., on the other hand, are incredible.

"wait if people aren't supposed to call sjws by that name without sounding dumb, how do we do it? white knights? 3rd wave feminists? what do. "

You honestly feel you need an umbrella term to write off people who express outrage towards bigotry of any kind? How pitiable.

rofl I saw that edit Enya

ok

nah whirr are dickheads for this but GLOSS is copy paste any hardcore record so in truth idk which the worse offense is

both bands act extremely immature. embarrassing all around.

nope, G.L.O.S.S. have handled it fairly well

The links arent working ?? What did they say i never read them

I was never up in arms ?

who cares

Okay talk to you later

I was referring just to the people just get offended by everything phrase. Not about whirr and their 'trolling'. W/e maybe it wasn't clear

The lad Futures' always enjoys a good e-brawl.

E-brawl

@freddie yo didn't mean that everyone who hates whirr is a sjw, but the annoying ones generally are. just wanted to know if there's a better term for them because i think they're scum too.

also yeah gloss sux but who wouldn't be a dummy on twitter in response to this?

i remember seeing a vid of these pricks and i vowed never to fucking listen to their music bunch of annoying cunts, i support trans people, i might not understand them but thats the thing, i dont have to, nobody said to me i was required to "get" other people, i encourage anybody who feels uncomfortable in their own skin to seek out the treatment that best suits them as long as it is by a profesional, that being said Fuck GLOSS cause their music is shit

I'm almost glad this shit happened though. I mean for one thing they got dropped, but I also discovered G.L.O.S.S. from this drama and really dig their stuff now.

i dont get why people refuse to listen to musicians because they're assholes. that would rule out a good chunk of music tbh. just pirate their music and get on with it

i dont think that should get in the way of your enjoyment of music but to each their own i guess

good time to drop this I guess http://mashable.com/2015/10/18/transgender-ally-words/

btw I'm trans and I don't care if you 'still think Whirr is good' wow good for you do you want a fucking medal

tell us how you really feel tho

e-z

Lost prophets tho, fellas. That's gotta cause a conflict of interest for most...

Yeah I deleted all of LostProphet's shit. And have a lot of trouble listening to As I Lay Dying now. I get the music and the people are two separate things, but being a songwriter I do see a connection between the two. I'll still listen to a lot of artists that are just assholes (hell I listen to a ton of Morrissey), but when it comes to things that morally off it's difficult in terms of conflict of ideals.

"Yeah I deleted all of LostProphet's shit. And have a lot of trouble listening to As I Lay Dying now. "

This is stupid. What Ian Watkins and Tim Lambesis did had absolutely nothing to do with their band/music. There were 3-4 other people involved in making that music that have done nothing wrong yet you write off their contribution because of one person. Both of them were put away too so listening/purchasing their music isn't going to have any negative impacts on anyone.

What did this texx fellow say? /:

A bunch of bullshit about being proud to be a terrible human being.

That's what I could gather at least. Comments got deleted so I had to piece it together.
What a fuck-head

Yeah, sounds like a real cool guy. I lost all hope for him when he said he was on his fourth or fifth account. I'm sure this isn't his first shitscapade.

i'd say they're for sure going to have trouble booking shows as well as finding bands to tour with. they overdid this time and it wasn't cool.

lol as boring as shoegaze shows can be they were doing pretty well for themselves. the hard part now is going to be finding a venue that doesnt mind risking being boycotted and a opener that doesn't care if they're painted with the same brush

"Dude this isnt donald trump lmao no ones gunna boycott these fools youre giving them wayyy too much credit."

http://www.metalinjection.net/politics/disma-kicked-off-deathfest-due-to-nazi-ties-after-10-bands-threaten-to-drop-off

Granted the situation with Whirr is less extreme than this one, you can't just assume people will let this sort of thing slide.

I don't think it will matter much either, honestly, but who knows. All the backlash against Black Pussy kind of vanished.

i mean i wont stop listening to whirr but dude this shit spreads like a wildfire. there are already bands saying they dont wanna be involved with whirr and a venue that wants to make money isn't going to make the majority of their clientele (in this case socially aware kids with far left ideals) angry. they were just being idiots before and it used to be pretty funny but they got too comfortable with the asshole persona and now it's gonna bite em at least for the time being

i kinda doubt they're like passionately transphobic or anything of the sort but it's not for me to say

these guys will definitely be boycotted for the forseeable future. transphobic is a dumbass way of saying Whirr said insensitive things, and i also think they're more about fucking around and trolling than they are are about passionately hating people.

@FourthReich "Their trolling is pretty harmless and funny though unless youre a bitch though i do understand when youre on a lable u cant do stuff like that"

But they aren't even funny lol and it's not like any of their stupid statuses offended me or anything, I love well thought out satire and offensive humor but the shit they spewed had no thought behind it, their statuses read like an edgy 12 year old who just discovered the internet. I know it's all trolling but nothing they post is genuinely funny at all.

When did it become excusable to be an asshole because "lawl js tr0lling"?

yeah whirr makes good music but their online presence isn't too hot. i don't even think what they did was too bad but it's pretty unanimously annoying

"But they aren't even funny" this so much, lets see if they finaly realize being a twat online gets old real fast

honestly people should know by now not to talk crap about anything LGBTQxyz-related. You'll get crucified whether you're legitimately hateful or just doing it because you and your friends thought it was cool to do in middle school. Just don't touch it.

I just read the comments on that article about Disma. jfc what is it about articles that brings out all the nutters?

I like most of Whirr's material.

GLOSS sounds like every shitty punk band ever. I hate how everyone is pandering and calling them "crucial" and acting like their music is anything good. it's so transparent. everyone knows they're a generic punk band with a cringe-inducing gimmick that does the trans community more harm than good. they are so many other bands that write better music and communicate the same message in a smarter way.
also, the singers "insults" at Whirr were just plain stupid. it's like she just mashed some random buzzwords together and passed them off as if they're clever comebacks.

tldr; quit patting yourselves on the back and acting like you give a shit about trans people. GLOSS sucks. Whirr is a good band.

never cared about gloss, but holy shit that was funny to watch
talk shit get hit [2]

I hate how everyone is pandering and calling them "crucial" and acting like their music is anything good.

everyone knows they're a generic punk band with a cringe-inducing gimmick that does the trans community more harm than good

as fine as i usually am with people shitting on bands they think are bad (because it's entirely meaningless), that shouldn't mean their social importance is diminished

yes I will continue pirating their albums

why are you deluding yourself into thinking they have social importance? they don't. bands like them have been around for years, decades even. if GLOSS disappeared tomorrow, nothing would change. they'll probably be swiftly forgotten about by the end of the week anyhow. they're just another self-righteous "lmao fuck the system look how punk we are" band. you can get a message across without being obnoxious. GLOSS is a joke.

the pandering and fake social justice is just embarrassing to watch. people are only acting outraged so they can feel like a better person for 5 minutes. we can stop pretending GLOSS matters in any way whatsoever. they aren't important, or even musically enjoyable.

Really doesn't matter if you like their music or not, it's still a dick move to make fun of someone just because they're trans.

"the pandering and fake social justice is just embarrassing to watch. people are only acting outraged so they can feel like a better person for 5 minutes."


"it's still a dick move to make fun of someone just because they're trans."

both very valid points.

as long as people continue to think that violence against women and attacks on trans people are okay, or that either of those groups are somehow worth less than men (and this is indeed the state of society, often at a subconscious level), bands like g.l.o.s.s. will continue to be important. obviously those bands you mentioned that have "been around for years/decades" aren't enough to completely change this attitude, even in an environment as small as a local punk scene. and it's not a mentality that can be changed overnight; it happens through instigators great and small but of course the process can be expedited by having more bands like g.l.o.s.s. or increasing their visibility (the latter is now more achievable thanks to the internet). being "obnoxious" (although i don't really know why you'd think that) can also help to bring the band attention which is a good thing.

people are only acting outraged so they can feel like a better person for 5 minutes.

attention =/= good
a transphobic person will look at GLOSS and their hatred and misunderstanding will only increase. GLOSS is a caricature. what Whirr said was stupid, but I'm willing to bet that 99% of the people involved in the backlash do not actually feel offended. I doubt even the fine folks over at RFC even care that much. They're acting that way because they feel like they have to. They gave Whirr the boot to make an example out of them and that's it.

Whirr took their schtick a little too far and said something stupid- that's literally it. they made a dumb joke about a band nobody is going to care about next week. the end

hostgalaxy coming back to sputnik only to further continue his reign of retarded comments

nah a lot of people probably don't give a shit including rfc because whirr's been tellin kids to kill themselves for like 2 and half years now and started working with them after that shit spread around. i'd say most people care so that's where galaxy is dumb

i don't see how supposed "faux outrage" negates intolerance and general shitty behaviour but okay

So wait. What did the tweets say?

yeah whirr fucked up big. gloss fucking slaps. +HIRS+ is pretty important to the trans uprising in hardcore as well.

@death
whirr made transphobic remarks toward gloss. i believe one said "misogyny is hating women. gloss is just a bunch of boys running around in panties" and they then went on to say "my mom committed suicide i wish these trans kids would get it right"

Shitheads

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at least it shed some light on g.l.o.s.s.

these guys are seriously such pussies.

Listen to the G.L.O.S.S. demo, don't support Whirr. Sick, thanks.

the g.l.o.s.s. demo is fireeee

"why are you deluding yourself into thinking they have social importance? they don't. bands like them have been around for years, decades even."

There's still a long way to go for gender/sex equality, though, so every band and every individual putting in effort counts. If they all stopped caring then nothing would ever happen. The band may not be "good" but their existence still serves a purpose. They still represent an idea, and by continuing to exist they allow that idea to persist as well, and that's the point.

how does one define "social importance"? if it's doing something socially new obviously g.l.o.s.s. are not but if it's doing something transgressive that communicates a relevant message (which is what social importance is, imoh) g.l.o.s.s. certainly are

I haven't read literally any of the comments itt but lmao ohhhh, so that's what "just real dudes being real" mean lmfao, edge is over 9000

"This is stupid. What Ian Watkins and Tim Lambesis did had absolutely nothing to do with their band/music. There were 3-4 other people involved in making that music that have done nothing wrong yet you write off their contribution because of one person. Both of them were put away too so listening/purchasing their music isn't going to have any negative impacts on anyone. "

I mean it's just a personal choice. Listening to them knowing the shit they did just makes me uncomfortable. Not like I think anyone that still listens to them is morally wrong or anything. Just makes me feel weird.

who cares, g.l.o.s.s. > this band

but actually

whirr are kind of boring as hell

you could say they've been dropped in the midst of a Whirrwind of Internet rage

does g.l.o.s.s. stand for anything? cause atm I'm tempted to call it the worst punk band name I've ever seen

it stands for Girls Living Outside Society's Shit

not sure that's an improvement

not sure it's factual either considering this situation

their name is cool u guys are just lameooz

what whirr did was pretty shitty but yall comparing them to the literal baby fucker that is ian watkins is retarded

agreed on all accounts aside from calling people retarded

it's just funny bc they used to tell people to kill themselves on twitter every day and no one got this mad

"it's just funny bc they used to tell people to kill themselves on twitter every day and no one got this mad"

2015

i didn't get to see the tweets :'/

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/as/whirr-gloss-2.jpg
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/as/whirr-gloss.jpg

ewww is that it tho

urgghhh still disgusted by this and all this is also unfortunately promoting these transphobic fuckers

if by "promoting" you mean "providing increasing negative criticism and condemnation for" then yeah totally!

well not promoting as in supporting but it's clearly advertising it now that the story has been picked up by so many people

people who discover them from this will listen and think "wow everyone hates this band bc they're transphobic" how is that helping them at all???

it's not and it's good that it's not

kinda funny they're so brash and antagonizing for such a boring band (unless they were telling the truth about a friend managing the account)

As long as people listen to GLOSS instead of Whirr, all is well.

their demo is on my check list i'll make that a priority

Distresser/June/Pipe Dreams are all pretty good. Those were back when they had female vox tho.

i haven't been into them in a while but i'll still probably always like Lines

It's name-your-price too, which is rad.

Remember the days

Trans-punk is not a genre, and I'm not sure why it's hyphenated

ahh yes steven crowder’s favorite band