Fuck sake Tim

what a cunt

Oh god. Time for another thread of people throwing conjectures left and right without waiting for the case to go to trial (as this one apparently is, new charges are apparently being filed.)

I do have to say though, that relative hasn't seen Cygnus in six years apparently, so how she could have intimate knowledge of Cygnus's actions is a little sketch.

of course his name is cygnus

Fuck, he was easily one of my favorite bass players. He even commented on a couple of my NeO bass covers on YouTube a few years ago. Hopefully the band is able to find someone with a style that is as prominent as his.

sounds mentally ill imo

of course his name is cygnus [2]

well his real name is brendan brown

Damn, I'm sorry to hear this on all fronts... Met him on their last tour over the summer and he was such a vibrant, happy, nice guy. If anything, this story tells us that there is no "profile" for abusers; unfortunately, anyone can be capable of it. Furthermore, Cygnus was integral to the band's sound, so I'm interested to see how they proceed, especially considering they have new material coming out this year that has him playing

everyone is replaceable

of course his name is cygnus [3]

"well his real name is brendan brown"

wait, he CHOSE cygnus?!

Going to find an article that isn't from that whiny bitch site linked above.

Lambgoat?

damn....

That site seems to beat even metalsucks in terms of whine factor

it's a website called "iprobablyhateyourband" lmao

Fucking pathetic excuse for journalism, tbh. I don't know if this is par for the course for them, but it wouldn't surprise me.

if Tim and any of the others knew and excused his behavior that's extremely fucked, hopefully they post and come clean soon

I worked with a guy who was friend with their drummer and they were always really nice dudes, this shit has come out of nowhere.

as much as i know it will taint their reputations, i don't feel the band has any obligation to say anything about the issue. we're trying to get into their intimate relationships, but they're the close friends with cygnus, and we don't really know them at all

who knows, maybe the bandmates did know about the abuse, but thought their friend was having mental issues and didn't want to give up on their friend -- which you have to admit is a hard thing to do
- maybe they didn't know that much about it, even thought one of them went on to testify in a court
- maybe they gave him the first strike out of compassion, and just removed him now that he did whatever hideous thing he did.

not saying anything to defend that cygnus dude or w/e, but are we going to just into conclusions about the band so fast yet again?

Come on, dude.
Shit like this follows bands around for years after it. I imagine the guys from Lostprophets will never live the shit that happened down.
When stuff like this occurs the band needs to make a statement about what happened (be it an in depth rant or something simple), get some truth out there instead of the eventual rumours that will come about.

i mean yeah, of course i get the need to make a statement, my comment is mostly about how we, as sputnikeers who should know better, demand explanations from this band (in this very thread), without giving them some sort of benefit of the doubt nor entertaining the thought that maybe they have their reasons not to have kicked him years ago, or even release a statement right away

i think it'd be good for them to release a statement, but i also think it doesn't need to be rushed and they should think about it before releasing it, and be as professional as possible about it (considering that they're not personalities or anything, just another unknown metal band)

I have no complaints with your reply, in fact, I agree 100% the band needs to handle the situation with care.
I must have misread the comment or not understood you were addressing the site directly. If there is one thing I have learned from years of jumping into threads like these, it's that this site loves making up its own conclusions and playing Devils Advocate.

yeah actually, it was I who didn't make it obvious i was addressing the site, so don't worry twas my fault lol

i only wish the air gets cleared so we can forget about this soon

he was caught strangling a kitten if he convicted he will be locked up with a lion in the cell with him

If they were fully aware of the situation then there's no way I'd support the band in any financial capacity anymore. Cygnus is an ass and you can forget about any of his other projects getting anywhere.

I've read the linked article again. What a disaster, fingerpointing and other such bullshit.
But afaict, it seems like that the guys form the band knew not only of previous allegation but also the ones committed during his time in the band.
I will wait for their statement before a final opinion but it's currently looking like they are also in the wrong here.
Sucks that fellow Aussies and guys that always had a good reputation from people I knew are involved in this shit.

yeah i agree that the whole situation looks sketchy, but those claims about them knowing are also based on speculation, but it also seems logical, but we don't what was going through their minds, and this, but that, but etc etc

i have no doubt in my mind that they can be just as evil as him, it's just that i don't know. i want that statement as much as everyone else, so i can get closure on this lmao, but eh, we can only wait

i never wanted to be in this band anyway!

wait a second...

i actually play bass guitar too! ...

I Probably Hate Your Band is indeed a shit website. I can't say anything about the allegations, you never know what people are like. I've met Cygnus and other members of NeO multiple times and supported their music since like 2006. If it turns out this is true, then he's a shit person and I probably won't care to give him the time of day again - but I couldn't care less about boycotting them artistically. I'll still listen to NeO and Cygnus' side projects.

EDIT: The band and Cygnus released individual statements that seem compelling that it's a very complex situation for everyone. I don't feel like it's right for anyone to speculate. I will continue to just enjoy their music and support all their careers so long as they don't start sucking (inb4 they already do)

Can u link the statements?
Same as you, I have met them and know people who are close with the band and I never thought anything bad of them. I want to know the truth here.

It's on the NeO facebook page, they posted it like an hour ago

facebook.com/NeObliviscarisBand/posts/10154945386429898

The statement is huge, so I'm only copying part of it:

Last week we let go our bassist Brendan Brown due to recent allegations of domestic violence. At the time we were advised by a lawyer to not release details publicly of the circumstances surrounding his dismissal, until Brendan had made a statement disclosing the details himself. Unfortunately in the time it took for the statement to come out, the real issues of domestic violence and mental health were cast aside by some to engage in a smear campaign against the band.

Yesterday a certain website published an article claiming to have proof of a grand conspiracy by the band to cover up these allegations over the years. This is completely false and we will be taking legal action against those involved.

Their apparent “proof” was a Facebook comment from Brendan’s Mum stating that we were aware of a domestic assault charge against Brendan from 6 years ago because Tim attended court with Brendan. It is correct that Tim attended court in moral support for Brendan back in 2010 after a domestic incident between him and his Mum. However, the nature of the incident was such that although Brendan pleaded guilty to the charge, the judge decided that no conviction was warranted due to the complicated nature of the incident and their relationship in general (which is detailed in Brendan’s statement below). Even though this situation was very unfortunate and Brendan had clearly done the wrong thing, we also sympathized about his very difficult home life (at one point Brendan had to live with Dan and his parents when they were in their late teens due to the toxic relationship with his Mum) and tried to help him through the whole process.

This was the only allegation we were ever made aware of at any time until recently.

Several people have said online that they knew of other allegations for a year, two or even more - so therefore we must have known about them ourselves. However, none of these people actually came to the band directly to tell us what they had heard.

Once we were made aware of these allegations and investigated them ourselves we acted straight away to try and get Brendan to seek help and made the decision to remove him from the band. Moving forward the band won’t be making any further comment on Brendan’s departure.

Domestic violence is a very serious issue and comes in many forms. What this whole situation illustrates to us is that there is a long way to go in our society towards creating an environment where victims feel safe coming forward and where friends and family feel they have an avenue to help them.

All this drama makes me want to listen to an album from them even though the only song I checked was crap at best.

The rest of the original post are links to mental help / domestic abuse websites and call-lines, and cygnus' official statement is also there but it's too long for sputnik.

Not to be inappropriate about it, but mental issues and domestic abuse. Called it, it was likely to be a complicated issue. In the statement he says he's been sexually abused by his mother, and one of the domestic violence allegations comes from her, so it's something really complicated I guess.

I love how much of an agenda the "iprobablyhateyourband" has, even apart from wanting to stir shit with unproven accusations and low-quality screencaps (taken from a commenter, whose name is the only one blurred out) for no reason other than to get attention (and they could not be more obvious about it), shit imitation of shit website gawker

It's times like these I miss SYWH

wuts dat

yeah but they dipped way lower than that, tired ass shit tier gawker wannabe website, tryna talk shit involving such a sensitive and current issue smh

Followed cygnus' channel on youtube and he was constantly angrily commenting on other videos..this shit doesn't surprise me too much

i know lol and they're not even that open about it, their about page is an euphemism for "we're some tmz+perez hilton type of deal but about metal", it just pisses me off so much that these journobloggers tryna pretend to be actual journalists, passing fb screencaps as "evidence of domestic violence", and try to twist a sexual abuse victim's own personal story of abuse into him being a partner abuser

"Followed cygnus' channel on youtube and he was constantly angrily commenting on other videos..this shit doesn't surprise me too much"

but what doesn't surprise u tho? did you check the follow up/statement or googled anything about it, or did you just read the title and went "yeah, that'd do"?

Seems pretty tabloid of them to post half assed accusations for such a sensitive matter. Looking through the rest of the site, it sucks.

The important thing here is that this garbage gave me the itch to listen to Portal of I again for the first time in maybe two years and I recant my previous statements about Citadel being better. We can all rest easy now.

The whole "citadel is better" argument was always overhype.

I mean, maybe for some people. I listened Portal a few times and it didn't click. Then Citadel came out and it clicked immediately. Both are good, imo. But, I feel like I should have listened to to Portal more.

Iprobablyhateyourband is a shit tier site. They posted a similarly terrible article when Justin from ATB passed away. They seem to be a bunch of drama whores who create drama for the sake of it. This sounds like an extremely difficult time for the band and Cygnus and i hope a sound resolution comes out of this situation.

So some guy got in some fights and now people hate the band. wow you people are offended easily

it's a website called "iprobablyhateyourband" lmao [23456]

of course his name is cygnus [5]

wait why the fuck is anyone getting news from a website that exists to roast unsigned bands who submit shit to them lmao

they were funny as hell back in the day when it was just facebook post reviews but after they made the website they turned into hot garbage

this post by a dude in the Aussie metal scene is important https://www.facebook.com/dishodishodisho/posts/10154100437776556

it's all a mess, but of course the domestic abuse allegations from multiple partners will be tossed aside like always as they are just 'allegations' and it's not like these women would be afraid for their safety if they come out in public

"it's not like these women would be afraid for their safety if they come out in public"

it's literally not, what are u talking about. + where are the accusations and screencaps bruh

"All this drama makes me want to listen to an album from them even though the only song I checked was crap at best."

Maco reminding us that he's a bitch user

We always joke about ppl from Hobart being wife beaters with two heads here