Norma Jean
Bless the Martyr and Kiss the Child


1.5
very poor

Review

by McDiggitz USER (10 Reviews)
April 10th, 2009 | 86 replies


Release Date: 2002 | Tracklist

Review Summary: You wish it was as good as your heard.

First of all, I am tired of everyone being up old Norma Jean's ass for some reason or another. Just because it IS different, doesn't make it good, entertaining, or listenable.

The opening track, well really the first two, starts out with your typical NJ noisecore that they've gotten so used to doing. Just because the chord is dissonant, doesn't mean you have to play it. And the odd arpeggios that they do OVER and OVER in track 2? They get played out. Real quick. Don't get me wrong, they DO have good riffs. Theres one really good one in "Face:Face" and another at the end of the opening track, but its sandwiched by 2 minutes of junk on either side. Dissonance has it's place, but this album WAY over uses it. You could really just shove "It Was As If..." in a group with these 2. It's also just the simple NJ sound with nothing to write home about.

"Memphis..." now had potential. Let's face it, that riff is heavy and badass. But after listening to it for THIS long I wanted to skip to the next track. How long can you play one riff?? This song could have been the most epic thing if they had written 2 more riffs for it... Or changed that one riff that seems to "break down" and get slow. It definately doesn't fit. Oh, and you can hear the vocalist clearing his throat in the background. That just bothers me.

"Creating Something..." needed to create some substance. There's nothing to grab onto in that song. It's just a lot of random riffs. Same with "The Shotgun Message". The Shotgun Message is at least over in 97 seconds so you don't have to suffer through another song with no structure.

I'm not going to touch "Pretty Soon..." because it's a waste of 15 minutes of my day. I wanted it to go somewhere, but it never did. Thanks NJ.

"Sometimes It's Our..." is just slow and boring. The riffs are overly simple, an attempt to reach their southern roots I suppose, and it doesn't work. They did better jobs at this in later albums, but that's because everyone in the band now is pretty much in The Chariot.

Now I will say, I like a lot of the styling in "The Human Face, Divine". It seems like it fits together as a song better than a lot of the other songs. They get a little into riffing rather than just "open chord to dissonant chord" combo that they LOVE to chug through. I think the noodling, shredding I suppose, is a little more interesting that the simple dissonant chords they have just come to settle with. They still pull off that chaotic sound with being a little more creative than usual. And the slow parts are shoved in the song haphazardly. They seem to fit.

"Organize Beyond Recognition" has sever Memphis syndrome. It has some cool riffs, don't get me wrong, but like, after hearing it for 2-3 minutes, it gets old. It's an OK song at best, and really just too long. Cut this song down to 4 minutes, and you got a hit.

OVerall, this album just gets way too much ***in' credit. This band did. They had potential. There were great riffs on this album. Definitely. But there aren't any great songs. Not 1. I feel like they could have dissected this album and gotten one killer 4 song EP, but the rest of the album is a throw away. I don't know who thinks these guys coined the dissonant sound, but they didn't. They don't even do it that well on this album. It's just a lot of hype and a lot of let down. I wanted to love these guys like everyone else so badly, but I can't. You have to have more than just dissonance and heaviness. In the end, you do have to write riffs that just stick out in people's heads and that the crowd can bob their heads too. This album has none of that. The few riffs that ARE like that get overplayed (IE Memphis). Take what you can and burn the rest.



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Athom
Emeritus
April 10th 2009


17244 Comments


agree for the most part, album sucks. listen to botch if you havent.

ScorpionStan
April 10th 2009


1911 Comments


i agree, this album is WAYYY overrated. however, i cut them a lot of slack for this album. The sound NJ was going for, dissonant, chaotic noisecore/metalcore, is obviously a difficult sound to master. so it makes sense that their first stab at it would be pretty bad. And plus, they got a lot better--O God, The Aftermath was a HUGE improvement over this. And the sound that Norma Jean had on O God...even though they weren't the first to do it...has been relentlessly copied by many an upstart chaotic metalcore band since then. So if you look at it that way, this album was the beginning of a sound that has since been perfected and become quite popular. And we have Norma Jean (along with Botch and others) to thank for the popularity of this sound today.

However, i agree--this album is obviously not their best. Most of it is downright painful to listen to. NJ should get credit for trying something new, but not for making a great album.

Waior
April 10th 2009


11778 Comments


Great review, hit it on the head perfectly.



shindip
April 10th 2009


3539 Comments


good review. this album is faiil

roofi
April 10th 2009


959 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5

one of the more annoying albums ever made

Wizard
April 10th 2009


20516 Comments


First paragraph and summary are pure rant. The rest of the review is truth!

Tits McGee
April 11th 2009


1874 Comments


memphis will be laid to waste is a siqq song


Yeah, I'm not even going to deny this. The 4th track is pretty good too, but the rest is pretty bad.

TerminalC
April 11th 2009


258 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

this album is incredible and if you don't realize then it's your lose, but otherwise amazing and norma jean is incredible till the ends of the earth!!!

YouAreMySilence
April 11th 2009


3726 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

White Tie! Black Jacket! Ain't seen you in a while!



O'God is a billion times better than anything else they have ever put out.

a5thdiad
April 11th 2009


123 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

wow, there's alot of bad vibes for this album...i enjoy it, more than anything else they've done for sure. the drumming and production alone make it a classic...not to mention the lyrics and the guitar work.



the reviewer seems to have a problem with a musical concept more than this band. dissonance isn't easy to understand.

Athom
Emeritus
April 11th 2009


17244 Comments


Botch > Jesus > Shitty TV > Shit > Norma JeanThis Message Edited On 04.11.09

Waior
April 11th 2009


11778 Comments


dissonance isn't easy to understand.


Yeah, I can understand that. It's an acquired taste, it's just that I'm not certain if any of us are determined enough to try and acquire it. Which is okay for me.



Waior
April 11th 2009


11778 Comments


O' God wasn't that terrible. The Anti-Mother on the other hand...

upagainstthewall
April 11th 2009


839 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5

"Memphis may be..." is good, the rest not so.

Tits McGee
April 11th 2009


1874 Comments


Basically their albums go O' God>Bless the Martyr>Redeemer>Anti-Mother.


For me there are really only two good songs in their catalog, and they're on this album. Everything else they've done is pretty terrible.

roofi
April 11th 2009


959 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5

i greatly enjoy redeemer



the other albums in their catalog, not so much

a5thdiad
April 11th 2009


123 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

o'god definetely had some good tunes, but i stopped listening after redeemer.



"Consonance, says the dictionary, is the combination of several tones into a harmonic unit. Dissonance results from the deranging of this harmony by the addition of tones foreign to it. One must admit that all this is not clear. Ever since it appeared in our vocabulary, the word 'dissonance' has carried with it a certain odor of sinfulness. Let us light our lantern: in textbook language, dissonance is an element of transition, a complex or interval of tones that is not complete in itself and that must be resolved to the ear's satisfaction into a perfect consonance."



- Stravinsky

McDiggitz
April 12th 2009


76 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Just a note... I like dissonance. But like I said it all has it's place. Here, I feel it is CLEALY overused. Everything in moderation. I was just searching for something on this album that doesn't sound like a breakdown, or a build-up to a breakdown. It's constant breakdowns. I LOVE breakdowns as well, but I don't want to listen to nothing but them. A band's got to be able to change it up to keep it interesting and keep me listening. This album just doesn't. People forget that I said several times, there are great riffs on this album. There just aren't any great songs.

a5thdiad
April 12th 2009


123 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

i'm listening to the record right now, i see what you mean...it does all seem a little repititive sometimes. but that's riff rock, zeppelin did it, the ramones took about 10 years to grasp the concept.



and as far as changing it up goes, they rarely even repeat themselves! the riffs are similar, but they seem to evolve rather than repeat.



but as i'm sure you can see, i've changed my rating! i rated this one along time ago a year or so after i bought it...as i said, i'm listening and enjoying right now, but some of your points made me question my rating.This Message Edited On 04.12.09

TrojanWhore
April 12th 2009


752 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

This album gets a lot of crap, it really isn't all that bad.



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