La Dispute
Somewhere at the Bottom of the River Between Vega and Altair


1.5
very poor

Review

by ian b. USER (42 Reviews)
August 11th, 2017 | 70 replies


Release Date: 2008 | Tracklist

Review Summary: melodramatic naivety.

Imagine walking into your local coffee shop. You see a girl working behind the counter with an undercut and blue streaks, as well as an XXX tattoo on her wrist. She gives you a swift glance and notices your style. The woman asks you, “so I’m assuming you’re into punk music based on your beat up denim jacket and long ass hair.’” You continue to instigate a conversation, and bring up that Touché Amoré is your favorite band. Upon telling the girl this, she seems overwhelmed with excitement, as she exclaims, “Oh my god, aren’t they like similar to La Dispute?? Such Small Hands and Andria are such good songs! The lyrics are soooo good, they remind me of Rupi Kaur. Have you ever read any of her works?” And if you would react anything close to how I did when I was confronted with this scenario, you would politely decline, take your tea, and walk away as far as you can from that coffee shop. The thing is, this is the stereotypical youthful La Dispute fan I’ve come across. Of course this isn’t every La Dispute fan, but I’ve certainly come across too many people fitting that description. These specific types of people are essentially the physical embodiment of every superficial and melodramatic quote on tumblr and this album is the quintessential work for such a person. Somewhere at the Bottom of the River Between Vega and Altair is the epitome of melodramatic teenage heartbroken bullshit and its guilelessness is evident.

Now I really want to enjoy this release. Trust me, I really do. Both Wildlife and Rooms of the House are albums I play on repeat all the time for their incredible storytelling abilities with subtle and graceful instrumentation that flows and wires together so intricately that there is no reason for me to NOT love it. But there’s just so many negative aspects of Somewhere at the Bottom that contradict the few positive aspects of it as an album experience. For example, the lead guitar lines from Chad Sterenberg provide such a refreshing, progressive, and almost jazzy take on modern post-hardcore. These wouldn’t be a nuisance whatsoever if the tones didn’t sound like they were lifted from a shitty Christian metalcore band of the same era and the mixing on the guitars didn’t sound like they were done by some random kid the band found in the back of their local Guitar Center. Same concept of contradiction with Jordan Dreyer’s songwriting/vocal delivery. Some of his most unique lyrics lie on here, especially on the latter half of the record. But the delivery he uses is just so much more youthful and whiney than later releases and the godawful mixing doesn’t help that whatsoever. Like as much as I truly want to enjoy songs like “Andria” I can’t help but feel like I’m listening to some kid from Hot Topic scream about how his ex girlfriend broke up with him over MySpace or Tumblr or something. The best moments on this record heavily rely on dynamic though and wind up being either the most quiet and subtle or the loudest and triumphant. The jazzy Off Minor inspired guitars of “Fall Down, Never Get Back Up Again” provide a clean and twinkly transition (albeit a tad rigid but I digress) and the climax to “Said The King To The River”, even for how edgy it can feel, is one of the most renowned and recognizable moments in post-hardcore and for obvious reason. But those moments are so few and far between on this record and they don’t outweigh the odd mediocrity of tracks like “The Castle Builders” or “Bury Your Flame” which sound like both weird math rock and southern rock pieces respectively that Jarrod Alonge would write as a parody or something. The album plays in a jumbling game of consistency with itself until it finally ends in one of the greatest pieces of post hardcore ever made in the album’s centerpiece. “The Last Lost Continent” boats a fairly improved vocal performance from Dreyer, incredible dynamics instrumentally, and one of the most triumphant gang-vocal performances in punk with a triumphant verse talking of marching forward as the last of their kind. The album then ends with a continuation of album opener “Such Small Hands” that nearly as melodramatic or whiney as said opener, but still is kind of inconsistent. So even for every “Last Lost Continent” and “Said The King To The River” the album has, it’s so outnumbered by the “Castle Builders” and “Andria” that the album has to offer.

As Somewhere at the Bottom… stands, there are some phenomenal (and I would even go as far to say some classic) songs that this album has to offer. Otherwise it wouldn’t be as loved as it is. But I genuinely feel like the plentiful negative tracks/aspects that this album are so inconceivably overlooked by the positive and memorable moments this album has to offer. Memorable isn’t always a good thing. The intriguing jazz inspired leads on this album will always be outnumbered by the incredibly sub-par southern-metalcore inspired riffs/breakdowns and overbearing mixing job. The interesting storytelling of songs like “The Last Lost Continent” from Dreyer will always be outnumbered by, well, the rest of the album essentially. For what it’s worth, La Dispute did mature greatly and went forward to create one of the best post hardcore releases of the century so far with the infinitely improved Wildlife but that doesn’t give Somewhere at the Bottom of the River Between Vega and Altair a pass for its sporadic and horribly produced, melodramatic, and naive garbage.



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Comments:Add a Comment 
ianblxdsoe
August 11th 2017


1921 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

oh boy am i gonna get fucking crucified for this one. remember opinions are opinions and mine is no better than your's and your's is no better than mine. hope it was a good read even for the negs and probable flame war this might start, gonna go back to bed now. constructive criticism is always appreciated :-) thanks to rowan and blush for giving it a read and helping to clean it up a tad

betray
August 11th 2017


9392 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

good review ian. pos'd hard

Artuma
August 11th 2017


32798 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

"tracks like “The Castle Builders” or “Bury Your Flame” which sound like both weird math rock and southern rock pieces respectively that Jarrod Alonge would write as a parody or something"



nope, try again

Pon
Emeritus
August 11th 2017


6102 Comments


review reads pretty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0IZ_TEzg7M

luci
August 11th 2017


12844 Comments


now we need a review by opening para girl stereotyping emo dude ian on his taste and personality

ianblxdsoe
August 11th 2017


1921 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

thanks art lol and im assuming thats a good thing jac bc that video is fucking legendary

ianblxdsoe
August 11th 2017


1921 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

also i agree lucid that'd be fucking awesome hahahahah

DinosaurJones
August 11th 2017


10402 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I want to disagree, but I can easily see how people would not enjoy this album. So I cannot. You do you, bruh.

Drubbi
August 11th 2017


298 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I 100% agree with everything you said despite my rating for this. I am a sucker for whiny post-hardcore, and this fits everything I want in a whiny post-hardcore record. But on the outside looking in, Dreyer's vocals are so incredibly grating, the instrumentals are intricate but dull and the slower moments on the album really drag down the album.



Wildlife is a perfect album though, agreed on that. I have their logo on my back, and I'll probably get another one soon enough. Great rev as always Ian.

Comatorium.
August 11th 2017


5229 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

album is definitely melodramatic but you lost me when you tried to assert that rooms is better than this.

Piripichotes
August 11th 2017


852 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

^



yeah no fucking way rooms is better than this, and ian you're a fucking fag, you should've banged that ho, what a waste.

Piripichotes
August 11th 2017


852 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Never let musical taste be a cockblocker, first rule of bangin.

verdant
Emeritus
August 11th 2017


2505 Comments


good shit ian

and piri, it's not the music taste, it's the fact that the girl likes Rupi Kaur -- which is understandably a dealbreaker.

ianblxdsoe
August 11th 2017


1921 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

yeah tbh i woulda asked for her number if she didn't bring up Rupi Kaur i'm being 100% honest with you although i'm not straightedge so that might be hard

dimsim3478
August 11th 2017


8987 Comments


Somewhere at the Bottom of the River Between Vega and Altair is the epitome of melodramatic teenage heartbroken bullshit and its guilelessness is evident.

i can see why you would think this but imo this record is a lot smarter than that, both in terms of composition and lyrics.

and in all the ways that it resembles the worst, most jarring, most generic, most melodramatic, most vapid post-hardcore and emo music of the 2000s decade, i think it manages to just steer clear of falling in with those crowds.

that's one of the ways in which this album is kinda a lightning in the bottle moment for the band. its quality is another. not that these guys arent skilled songwriters but this definitely feels like the kind of work that--to a significant degree--just happens; meticulously construction is evident but i think rare and genuine inspiration is also abundantly clear.

Snake.
August 11th 2017


25398 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

i'm baffled as to why piripichotes is still allowed to regularly post on this site

ianblxdsoe
August 11th 2017


1921 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

opinions are crazy dimsim aren't they

NordicMindset
August 11th 2017


25137 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I thought this was a troll review at first

onionbubs
August 11th 2017


22331 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

nooo pjorn not you too

Chortles
August 11th 2017


21494 Comments


First para is 2 real, big pos



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