GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | !!! |
ffs
02.15.24 | woot |
JohnnyoftheWell
02.15.24 | Lmao at 1 being the first thing on this list. Based!?
What's the deal with the current Gothic tag? Should Darkwave ideally outright replace it where there are relevant secondaries (e.g. Chelsea Wolfe goes from Gothic/Folk/Industrial to Darkwave/Folk/Industrial) or should it be allowed a foot in the door in all cases |
ArsMoriendi
02.15.24 | Depeche Mode, but I think synthpop NEEDS to stay. So what goes? New wave or gothic?
Darkwave/synthpop/??? |
ArsMoriendi
02.15.24 | Also since we now know no more genres can be added: coldwave should fall under darkwave right?
Also for Dead Can Dance gothic should be dropped so itโs classical/darkwave/folk |
GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | @Johhny
it's semi chronological |
ArsMoriendi
02.15.24 | For Cocteau Twins obviously dream pop is first so dream pop/darkwave/showgaze?
Also I guess all ethereal wave might as well be darkwave+dream pop |
GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | no gaze
"all ethereal wave might as well be darkwave+dream pop"
No >_> |
JohnnyoftheWell
02.15.24 | Darkwave is arguably first for Cocteau Twins given that ethereal wave is a subgenre of it, but the first two are definitely the first two
And yeah lol fake shoegaze band |
SomeCallMeTim
02.15.24 | babe wake up, new sputnikmusic.com genre tag just dropped
I know little about darkwave so time to learn I guess |
ArsMoriendi
02.15.24 | Look Ghandhi , we now know WHY the genres were added could be added and that means these last 3 (darkwave, glitch, neofolk) are the last batch, so some concessions need to be made for genres that will never appear |
ArsMoriendi
02.15.24 | Also please answer my Depeche and coldwave questions |
GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | What example of a concession are you referring to sorry. |
GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | "Also please answer my Depeche and coldwave questions"
no,no |
JohnnyoftheWell
02.15.24 | What particularly popular pages should we ask to be fully reset other than:
- Cocteau Twins
- Dead Can Dance
- Chelsea Wolfe
- Anna von Hausswolff
- Lingua Ignota
- Depeche Mode(??) |
Mort.
02.15.24 | do we give the darkwave tag to artists like lustmord? (dark ambient) |
theBoneyKing
02.15.24 | Big W
Still holding out hope on slowcore |
JohnnyoftheWell
02.15.24 | darkwave and dark ambient don't have any shared genealogy afaik, so no |
porcupinetheater
02.15.24 | Letโs get a tag on The Moon Lay Hidden Beneath a Cloud |
GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | They're more neofolk / industrial with one neoclassical darkwave release |
GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | "Darkwave ideally outright replace it where there are relevant secondaries..."
Case by case basis. Some artists have other albums that are gothic rock, but not darkwave |
Cygnatti
02.15.24 | wtf did anything else get added along with? |
GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | Glitch |
GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | @Jotw
Cocteau Twins - Dream Pop, Darkwave, Gothic (easily fixable if people vote)
Dead Can Dance - Darkwave, Gothic (Probably should get rid of folk? Keep classical even though it's not classical?)
Chelsea Wolfe - Darkwave, Gothic, Folk? (Definitely reset)
Anna von Hausswolff - Darkwave, Drone, rock? (Definitely reset)
Lingua Ignota - Darkwave, Industrial, Noise (reset?)
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someone
02.15.24 | Rejoice |
GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | Lingua Ignota still has a noise rock tag |
ArsMoriendi
02.15.24 | โ Probably should get rid of folk?โ
Into the Labrynth draws a lot from Arabian folk and I think Dionysus follows folk styles too so idk |
GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | Yes they draw from folk |
Dewinged
02.15.24 | Bookmarking this list with chisel and stone in my brain. |
ArsMoriendi
02.15.24 | Also does non-gothic darkwave exist and if not wouldnโt gothic be redundant for DCD |
budgie
02.15.24 | Also does non-gothic darkwave exist"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aEMwkZfgYA
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GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | No but there is darkwave that is more Gothic than others. In DCD's case it's there to denote their debut which is more Gothic rock. |
budgie
02.15.24 | is there any way you ppl can have tags apply only to albums, not artists. would make this site 1000000x better as a database |
GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | That's asking for too much mb |
budgie
02.15.24 | maybe any effort is too much but as it works now tags are pretty fkn useless. if you wanna look up a genre for a given year you have no idea at a glance if the albums listed are that genre |
GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | Not entirely useless, but I agree it's not good. |
JohnnyoftheWell
02.15.24 | "Dead Can Dance - Darkwave, Gothic (Probably should get rid of folk? Keep classical even though it's not classical?)"
think Folk and Classical best surmise what they're about in conjunction, while either alone is misleading. would cut Classical over Folk, but probably take both over Gothic - so reset needed
"Chelsea Wolfe - Darkwave, Gothic, Folk? (Definitely reset)"
Darkwave, Folk, Industrial imo but yes reset needed for sure
"Lingua Ignota - Darkwave, Industrial, Noise (reset?)"
100%
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GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | Mods need to fix Lycia too Johnny. |
JohnnyoftheWell
02.15.24 | full reset, or just nix Gothic? |
GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | Fix shoegaze mainly |
JohnnyoftheWell
02.15.24 | so nix both gothic and shoegaze?
might as well purge it all if so |
GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | I don't care about the redundant Gothic in most cases as it safeguards against genres like shoegaze getting sneaked in where they shouldn't be |
JohnnyoftheWell
02.15.24 | Asked for a full purge for it + CT (which can be re-voted to deweight shoegaze - Dream Pop / Darkwave / Post Punk should cut it)
can just re-vote Gothic for Lycia, but will be easier to get Darkwave in on top |
GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | Thanks. Why the industrial for Chelsea Wolfe? I'm not that familiar. |
JohnnyoftheWell
02.15.24 | peep the first couple of minutes of Abyss - pretty heavy influence from that album onwards |
GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | Idk RYM says that Abyss has 5 industrial rock related songs and that that the new album is industrial. Folk seems like a more prevalent part of her discography according to the tagging
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JohnnyoftheWell
02.15.24 | yeah, Darkwave primary, Folk secondary, Industrial tertiary seems about right |
GhandhiLion
02.15.24 | post-punk/gothic rock seems more prevelant than industrial also. But I haven't heard most of her albums so |
JohnnyoftheWell
02.16.24 | Post-punk also a fair tertiary - feel this site gravitates more to her industrial-leaning stuff, but no strong feelings on which tbh |
ArsMoriendi
02.16.24 | Tagging these as I half-watch The Thing for the 2nd time
Also Ghandhi, what's your gripe with including Depeche Mode? |
ArsMoriendi
02.16.24 | Rym also says the band Cranes counts or at least that the darkwave tag should replace the shoegaze one |
JohnnyoftheWell
02.16.24 | this is very accurate
just done a bunch of glitch artists - will stick a list for remaining/problematic names later. should be a lot easier than this |
Sharenge
02.16.24 | not at all getting why all so intent on removing "gothic" tag for Chelsea Wolfe seems like an essential tag for her |
CharlotteAnnXiong
02.16.24 | @Johnny: please tell me we're counting glitch pop and glitch hop artists |
ArsMoriendi
02.16.24 | Whoops posted that on my "tag only" profile lol
Also Cranes prob needs a wipe then |
JohnnyoftheWell
02.16.24 | "seems like an essential tag for her"
self-explanatory given darkwave. would be the same as tagging an IDM artist "Electronic" (which would be fine, but her secondary tags are meaningful, so out with gothic)
"@Johnny: please tell me we're counting glitch pop and glitch hop artists"
case-by-case I think? so far have tagged mainly ambient/techno artists and a couple of unambiguous art pop picks, but this will take a while - like, can see a glitch tag for Prefuse 73 and EdiT, but not necessarily for FlyLo ygm.
ditto for glitch pop: Tujiko Noriko and (maybe - current tags are fine tbh) Yeule could carry one, but idk if Junior Boys or Sweet Trip need it |
CharlotteAnnXiong
02.16.24 | What about Baths/Geotic |
ArsMoriendi
02.16.24 | Cuz his IDM tag is soooo wrong |
JohnnyoftheWell
02.16.24 | Glitch tertiary for Baths since there's nothing else going, dunno Geotic as well but don't remember much glitch from what I've heard |
dedex
02.16.24 | aight will chip in and try to properly tag those + others i might think about |
ReefaJones
02.16.24 | I've always wondered which genres fall under "experimental" on here because I don't think I listen to much experimental yet it makes up 15% of my pie chart. |
Havey
02.16.24 | why would you assume there's a standard
41 People On Sputnik Tagged Radiohead As Experimental, etc. |
JohnnyoftheWell
02.16.24 | Alt Rock / Electronic / Britpop literally the only correct sequence there lol |
ArsMoriendi
02.16.24 | My dream is for the majority of artists on here to lose their experimental tags so I feel that
Like I wish we had a garage rock tag so we could finally fix TVU. Garage rock/folk rock/Art Rock would be a way more honest interpretation of their sound than noise-rock/experimental/psychedelic. So much so that Iโd consider rock/folk/experimental with our current tags |
TheSpaceMan
02.18.24 | always cool to see a new genre of something ill probably never listen to |
Minortimbo12
02.18.24 | just remove all but rock and metal, i think that would do well on this site |
ArsMoriendi
02.19.24 | Tagged all 112 :) deff needs more people to tag too though |
Ladron93
02.20.24 | Huh, now Darkwave has been added in Sputnikmusic? Nice.
I think 8, 57, 89, 90, 92, 100 are the ones I consider as darkwave with synth and I adore them.
I heard one or two songs of Troller's Graphic and it's right up my alley. I'll give the album a listen later.
So's 5 and 101.
I like Die Verbannten Kinder Evas' Come Heavy Sleep.
It felt like a fantasy cartoon soundtrack.
I'll see if I catch up a few of the bands on this list. |
Demon of the Fall
02.20.24 | I'll get on tagging some of these, I have faith you guys know what's what here because hmm, I don't save for a very select few
in fact the list has me intrigued so I may embark on a journey of sorts
Clan of Xymox is good so far! |