Friday13th: Prog On Discovery M6

Friday13th 06.18.19	Voting ends next Tuesday.
e210013 06.18.19	Ok, let's going to check these next competitors. Let this new round begins.
e210013 06.18.19	I'm really very curious about both albums. I suspect that we are going to have a very different journey of the last two, with much more mysterious and obscure stuff.
bgillesp 06.18.19	I liked 1 a lot but it got kinda repetitive imo. I’ll give it another go though and idk anything about 2 yet
Papa Universe 06.18.19	tactical dot deployed: •
Sabrutin 06.18.19	Really excellent production for Krigssang.
SharkTooth 06.18.19	I'm already well familiar with 2 since it's my submission Time to check out 1
Jethro42 06.18.19	After one listen each, 2 could be a live album with its jamming nature. It reminds me of an ex-Twig competitor Badger - One Live Badger but this time only instrumental... with more instruments and diversity. Sounds great! 1 seems right up my alley. Reminds me of modern prog act Mad Fellaz at first glance. Very good match up, Friday.
SharkTooth 06.18.19	dang it totally does resemble a live jam session hell, it's even in the name "rocksession" why wasn't I able to get this when I first submitted this album and its description?
Jethro42 06.19.19	It's a jazz rock matter, so most of the time, it gives the impression it's live, but according to Progarchives, it's not. Because of the name ''Rocksession'', it's confusing for the least.
Divaman 06.19.19	After the first listen, I have a clear preference. Let's see it it holds up through two more listens.
hansoloshotfirst 06.19.19	Embryo is one these bands I've always planned to check out but never did. So I'm curious.
Zig 06.19.19	Gonna be a nice krautrock round.
e210013 06.19.19	After a first listen of both albums, I can say that we are in front of two very different proposals and I think I've a clear preference. I'm going to confirm that with the other three listenings.
Jethro42 06.19.19	I enjoy this round. I love me some jazz fusion. Krigssang is more busy with rigid structures and well done arrangements and tempo shifts, and needs some more attention. Sounds a bit strained in places. Rocksession is a trippy, generous improvisation's jam and is more like background music. I particularly enjoy that kind of music when I hit the road, or when I chill out and sitting down outdoor with friends. I'm far from being decided on which one I prefer. Both are grooving a lot, each in its way.
Divaman 06.19.19	Two listens now, and it was a little closer this time (but still the same favorite). One more listen apiece, probably tomorrow.
Jethro42 06.19.19	Diva, knowing your taste in music, I have my little idea on which one you gonna choose :)
Divaman 06.20.19	We'll see, my friend. We'll see.
e210013 06.20.19	"I think I've a clear preference." After two listenings I'm not sure about that. Let's see what will happen.
Divaman 06.20.19	OK, I'm ready to vote. I suspect I'm going to surprise my friend Jethro with this one. On first listen, I really didn't like the Trettioariga Kriget album at all. It's grown on me some with repeated listens -- I do like that second song. But there are some parts of it I just hate -- I tend to like my prog melodic, and there are times when both the vocalist and the music itself wander far from that pleasant pasture. (And this was one of those albums when my wife gave me one of those looks, and asked "Why are you listening to THIS?") I really wanted to like it, but it's just not my thing. The Embryo was a whole different trip. I've mentioned at various times that I don't really like jazz, but that's because jazz can all too often be harsh and dissonant. (I used to know a local folk singer named Kathy Fleischmann. And any time she'd accidentally hit a clunker chord on her guitar, she'd smile and say, "Jazz!") For the most part, this music goes down smoothly, especially the third track, the aptly named "Warm Canto" -- they're right, here. It IS a warm canto. So while I appreciated the Trettioariga Kriget a little more each time I listened to it, I still had a clear preference for the Embryo. My vote is for Embryo.
Divaman 06.20.19	So did I surprise you Jethro, or do you know me better than I suspected?
Jethro42 06.21.19	You did surprise me. Krigssang is the most prog of the two by far, and they have a good singer, but you recently said it's not the way you choose a candidate, and you rather go with the one you appreciate the most, so you did :) and i'm surprised cos I thought that Rocksession was too much jazz for your endurance. On the other hand, Krigssang requires a lot of attention. Given you have an attentive ear, I thought you'd be seduced by the sparse, clever arrangements and diversity of its content. In fact, I was sure you wouldn't appreciate Rocksession and all that jazz, which means you'd choose the other one by fault. You know what, Diva? You are more unpredictable than I thought!
Divaman 06.21.19	If I knew how to make a smile emoji, I'd do it here now.
Jethro42 06.21.19	Well received :]
bgillesp 06.21.19	Gonna jam 2 tomorrow and by the comments I believe I’ll prefer it. No prejudice though, so I’ll go in with an open mind
Friday13th 06.21.19	0-1 Divaman
SharkTooth 06.21.19	This discussion has brb fun so far I've only heard track 1 of krigssang do gear and i loved it, gonna see if the rest lives up tomorrow
Jethro42 06.22.19	Both albums have their highlights, and both have elements that irritate my ears. Krigssang is good at folk, funky and jazz fusion a la Mad Fellaz (Italy) and Deus Ex Machina - the latter being an Italian jazz fusion band that I have to add to the database - Krigssang is not consistently good, but their pros are pros. It's only that its great parts are scattered here and there. They have the potential to be better. I'm gonna listen to their first album, so yeah. Rocksession is really great, but ''Entrances'' drags too much, to the point I keep and keep on waiting a climax or something, but in the end, nothing is happening and it's too long for nothing. I agree with Diva about ''Warm Canto'' ..That's pretty warm. I also really love the second part of the last song. i'm voting for 1, but I really like both.
Jethro42 06.22.19	Both bassists are seriously amazing. They have nothing to envy to some of the greatest jazz bassists. Also, Krigssang's three included bonus tracks are really delightful.
Friday13th 06.22.19	1-1 Jethro Divaman
SharkTooth 06.22.19	reslistening to 1 from the start and that opener is single-handedly better than anything on my Embryo it's kinda disheartening to read that the record is not consistent because it really started on a high note but i'm gonna be optimistic here
Jethro42 06.22.19	For Krigssang, I have a little problem with most of the vocal lines. They are not enough felt. Not a bad singer, but he tries too hard to use his vocals as an instrument, but fails in doing so. Vocals are not enough convincing melodically. If I listen only to the vocals, I'm not impressed. Instrumentally, everything is fine in general. What a good work between both guitarist and bassist.
Divaman 06.22.19	Honestly, that was one of the differences for me. Most of the time, he's at least an OK vocalist, but there were times he did obnoxious things with his voice. I'm very vocal-centric, but for me, no vocals at all beat vocals that are (at least occasionally) annoying.
SharkTooth 06.22.19	vocals aren't anything special but I found them kinda fitting with the instrumentation. That being said I can see why you aren't a fan I'm almost through with 1 and found it p consistent all things considered. so far feeling somewhere between a 3.5 and a 4
SharkTooth 06.22.19	Okay i just finished 1. It ended on a pretty weak note but yeah for the most part it was excellent
Friday13th 06.22.19	"Warm Canto" on 2 is really great stuff.
Friday13th 06.22.19	FYI everyone, the album we are judging on the youtube link for 1 lasts only till about 37:47, so don't consider the bonus tracks afterwards in your decision. Too bad cause those bonus tracks are pretty awesome. The very first bonus track sounds like Television or something.
Jethro42 06.22.19	Yes, I mentioned it yesterday on this thread about the last three bonus tracks. I really like them too and they really could make a difference in our decision, but for one I haven't considered them. And yes, viva Warm Canto!
e210013 06.22.19	Better to check it on Spotify.
MrSirLordGentleman 06.22.19	Krigssang's production is so good damn. Love that bass
e210013 06.22.19	Better to check both albums on Spotify.
e210013 06.22.19	I've finished my third audition of both albums right now. And I continue very confused and divided. Definitely I need more listenings. This one will be very close to me.
Friday13th 06.22.19	My vote goes to Krigssang because the guitar playing is out of this world great and I've also been itching for a hint of that prog folk. I understand what people are saying about the singer, and he can annoy at times, but he's also kinda like Peter Hammill or the guy from Uriah Heep and it fits the energy of the album. Rocksession has its very good moments, but these very long-winded jazz fusion albums with strong jam/free jazz influence aren't usually my cup of tea. The last two slower tracks are the best imo.
Friday13th 06.22.19	2-1 Jethro Friday Divaman
Jethro42 06.22.19	For some reason, I find that ''Warm Canto'' has the same vibes as Hendrix' ''Little Wings''. I'd classify them in the same category...But it's just me.
e210013 06.22.19	''Warm Canto'' is really amazing. I'm listening it right now. It's very beautiful indeed.
Divaman 06.22.19	I feel like I hear some Allman Brothers vibe in the Embryo.
Jethro42 06.22.19	Maybe for the rhythm section. Allman Brothers are more guitar oriented though.
SharkTooth 06.22.19	the "up to 37:47" thing actually makes 1 significantly better. The way the album ended with the bonus track was a bit offputting for me I'm going to hold out on a final decision because my album is in this round and I have an obvious bias I need to work through
Zig 06.24.19	My vote goes to Embryo.
Friday13th 06.24.19	2-2 Jethro Friday Divaman Zig
Sabrutin 06.24.19	I enjoyed Rocksession a lot more than I expected. Warm Canto has to be my favorite but Dirge also has great parts, and even the first track has its identity. Sadly, the track Entrances is the kind of unsatisfactory long winded jam that I can't love. Krigssang on the other hand feels "pleasantly cold" and precise even when it's loose, solid all the way through. So I vote for 1. Fans of Warm Canto may dig this mellow fusion piece, as I find it similarly comforting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHqE6fy0WpE
Jethro42 06.24.19	Good comparison...I still prefer Warm Canto!
Papa Universe 06.24.19	Krigssang is more or less classic prog with some off-the-wall song-writing choices. Embryo has more of that psych vibes and that sexy swagger pop-factor. Both are quite fun, but I suppose I feel closer towards classic prog. My vote is for 1.
Friday13th 06.24.19	4-2 Jethro Friday Sabrutin Papa Divaman Zig
SharkTooth 06.24.19	I'm impressed with 1. Given what i read i was expecting something a lot less consistent than what the album turned out to be. 2 is still my baby tho so this is gonna be tough
Jethro42 06.25.19	I'm not sure if ''consistent'' means the same thing in French (consistant). When I say an album is consistently good, I mean there is no filler, and I enjoy the album from start to finish, which is not the case for Krigssang.
Friday13th 06.25.19	^ it means the same thing, Jethro. Just a difference in opinion haha
Jethro42 06.25.19	Gotcha!
SharkTooth 06.25.19	The thing is, the album did not have any true duds in it, it dipped in quality yes, but nothing really brought the album that much down from what I heard
TheNotrap 06.25.19	None of the albums are my cup of tea, but I'll go with Rocksession.
bgillesp 06.25.19	I will give my answer tonight. Sorry for the delay
TwigTW 06.25.19	Good morning gentlemen, this week my vote goes to Trettioariga Kriget - Krigssang
hansoloshotfirst 06.25.19	Oh, well I still like my pick quite a bit. So I vote for 1. OverallEmbyro was quite lovely but it lacks staying power for me.
Friday13th 06.25.19	6-3 Jethro Friday Sabrutin Papa Twig hansolo Divaman Zig Notrap
e210013 06.25.19	After 4 auditions of both albums here is my verdict: Trettioariga Kriget - Krigssang: This is a very good album from a very good band. This is an album with a very good guitar work and an excellent bass line added by some nice mellotron work here and there. I can see some similarities with Anglagard and Landberk. Probably both bands were, somehow, influentioned by them. I only can see two less good tracks, the second and third tracks. For instance, at times, the vocals are a bit anoying in some moments. But overall, we are in presence of a great album. Embryo - Rocksession: This is a very good album of jazz rock fusion. I agree with the other opinions that it seems a jam live album. Still, I know that it isn't the case. I sincerelly like very much of it. I think this is a an excellent and intelligent fusion between krautrock, jazz rock and etnic music. I think they jam and improvise brilliantly. My only complaint is track one. I'm not a great fan of it. However, "Warm Canto" is an amazing track, like being in paradise for 10 minutes. So, this is another great album. Here we are in presence of two great proposals, very distintive, but equal good. Still, I think "Rocksession" is a better album with only one less good track, to my taste. Overall, the rest of the album is excellent. "Krigssang" is, for me, less good with two less good tracks. Overall the rest of the album is excellent. But 1 is less ballanced than 2. So, it seems this time I'm with the minority here. I decided to rate "Krigssang" with 3.5 and "Rocksession" with 4.0. So, my vote goes to "Rocksession".
Jethro42 06.25.19	Just saying, for Krigssang, did you guys notice there is a forgotten song in the written tracklist called ''Mitted Mirakel''. Song is included in the actual sonic songs between ''Jag Och'' and ''Murar'' (from 12;42 to 16;13)
e210013 06.25.19	Yes, of course my friend. But, I can see your point. It does part of the Spotify version, which was actually the version checked by me. I love that track. I think it's one of the highlights of the album.
Jethro42 06.25.19	Ok e21, now I understand about Spotify. i've listened from youtube myself. The song plays, but on Progarchives and here on Sput, the song is absent. Man I agree with you about Landberk being reminiscent of Krigssan. Anglagard, i'm not sure, but since they're also from Sweden, it helps. And yes, ''Mitted Mirakel'' is outstanding.
e210013 06.25.19	I can see slightly reminiscences of Anglagard in some parts. Still and unfortunatelly, they're very far of the quality and of the intricate style of that band.
e210013 06.25.19	If you want an advice, I think it's better to listen the albums on Spotify. The sound is better because it was catched as audio, despite the irritating publicity. The sound on Youtube was catched as video. At least it was the explanation of one of my sons. But you're right my friend, the track doesn't appear on the track list of Progarchives. Only now I saw that.
Jethro42 06.25.19	Yeah it's hard to be more intricate than Anglagard!
e210013 06.25.19	"Yeah it's hard to be more intricate than Anglagard!" Absolutely. Lol. I love those guys.
Jethro42 06.25.19	I usually use Spotify, but I didn't know that Krigssang was there. And thanks for your advice. Now that you say that, maybe Spotify offers better sounding. That being said, sound is sometimes very satisfying on Youtube. As for ''Mitted Mirakel'', it's both absent from Progarchives and from Sputnik.
e210013 06.25.19	Oh, ok. Maybe it's a bonus track of a remastered edition.
Jethro42 06.25.19	It's most likely a forgotten song (not Marillion's forgotten sons lol). The Sputnik tracklist is probably a copy/paste from the Progarchives' tracklist, hence the double fault.
e210013 06.25.19	Maybe, but it's a pity. The track is very good, indeed.
bgillesp 06.26.19	Im with e. Voting for 2
bgillesp 06.26.19	That makes 6-5. It's a close one
SharkTooth 06.26.19	I always like how these matches start out with a clear lead but eventually move closer to a tie as time goes along I'm going to vote for 2 btw, after multiple listens I just found it more enjoyable to me
Friday13th 06.26.19	6-6 Jethro Friday Sabrutin Papa Twig hansolo Divaman Zig Notrap e21 bgill Sharktooth Well we're tied up so looks like we'll have to wait a day or so :/
MrSirLordGentleman 06.26.19	I'll go with Krigssang
Friday13th 06.26.19	7-6 Jethro Friday Sabrutin Papa Twig hansolo Gentleman Divaman Zig Notrap e21 bgill Sharktooth
Jethro42 06.26.19	It's difficult to bring everyone together for this tournament. It was also hard to complete the 16 contestants in the first place. It's pretty much always the same guys who are missing :(
SharkTooth 06.26.19	I was missing a lot of last time early because of irl bullshit Thankfully it doesn't look that way this year
Friday13th 06.26.19	I should require cell phone numbers next time ;)
Jethro42 06.26.19	:D
e210013 06.26.19	Yeah, if we have a commitment we must honour it.
Casavir 06.26.19	Going to have to go with Krigssang on this one.
Jethro42 06.26.19	Yeah, agreed, e21. It's sometimes necessary to rely on outsider sputnikers to decide on the final score. Needless to say, it requires some patience.
e210013 06.26.19	"it requires some patience." No problem. I've a lot. You know, so many years...Lol.
Friday13th 06.26.19	8-6 Jethro Friday Sabrutin Papa Twig hansolo Gentleman Casavir Divaman Zig Notrap e21 bgill Sharktooth
Jethro42 06.27.19	Who is gonna win this race...?
SharkTooth 06.27.19	likely 1
Jethro42 06.27.19	it could become a fifty/fifty battle though
Friday13th 06.27.19	I'll call it if 1 gets 9 votes
wham49 06.27.19	sorry thought I already voted, I am going with 2, right up my alley
Friday13th 06.27.19	8-7 Jethro Friday Sabrutin Papa Twig hansolo Gentleman Casavir Divaman Zig Notrap e21 bgill Sharktooth wham
Scheumke 06.27.19	Woops sorry for the late vote. It goes to Trettioariga Kriget! You are pairing these very well Friday, again very close for me. At the end I simply chose the one I got the most enjoyment out of.
e210013 06.27.19	Ok, it seems we finally have a winner. This one was very close. Nice. Let's wait for the next journey.
Friday13th 06.27.19	9-7 Jethro Friday Sabrutin Papa Twig hansolo Gentleman Casavir Scheumke Divaman Zig Notrap e21 bgill Sharktooth wham Alright, it was close but I'm calling it for Krigssang!