JohnnyoftheWell
06.16.20 | list is brand new ranked lol
read the descriptions and post your nominations here please! |
Tundra
06.16.20 | brand new national manchest orch |
Gnocchi
06.16.20 | Converge bitch tits |
garas
06.16.20 | Brand New, Radiohead, Ulcerate, Death, Bowie, Björk, Agalloch.
...Because they're overhyped AF. |
AsleepInTheBack
06.16.20 | Mr Rosenstock and all his merry projects |
Pangea
06.16.20 | Radiohead, Bowie & Bjork get the same amount of hype anywere else. I wouldn't classify them as sputcore.
Sputcore is more like trophy scars and other bands that get way more hype on sput as anywhere else |
Pikazilla
06.16.20 | Gospel for sure |
aydross121
06.16.20 | mewithoutyou.
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aydross121
06.16.20 | the hotelier |
Tb1114
06.16.20 | Gospel. Converge. Underoath. I wanna say GY!BE. Tim Hecker.
If we're going by the metric of getting more hype here than elsewhere.
And maybe Burial. Paysage d'Hiver. Sweet Trip.
Hotelier's a good one. |
bgillesp
06.16.20 | Sputcore is one of a few things for me. Definition 1 is the stuff that gets praised through the roof here and is basically all the top all time charts plus a little extra. Definition 2 is when a band/album gets attention on this site way out of proportion to the rest of the world/internet. Albums or bands that have way more ratings here than rym fit this bill like my personal favorite Typhoon (USA-OR) whom I hype often. Definition 3 could be a band/album that has a larger following of staff/long-time users/popular users who all rate it highly, despite lack of universal acclaim. Laurel Halo- Quarantine briefly comes to mind for me here but I know there are better examples. |
dedex
06.16.20 | Gospel, Converge, Agalloch, The Hotelier and Trophy Scars are the first that come to mind |
EclipseInYourEyes
06.16.20 | as far as I am concerned, sputcore is often stuff like indie bands (Brand New, Manchester Orchestra, The National ) or folk/singer songwriter stuff with emotional lyrics (Tallest Man on Earth, Sufjan Stevens, Jeff Rosenstock etc.). To a lesser extent it is some kind of (pop) punk with focus on lyrics like The Menzingers or The Hotelier. And then there are some screamo/post-hardcore bands like State Faults, but that's rather rare.
Also this site seems to be more connected to Black or Death Metal since nearly every Black Metal I stumble upon has at least 2 records with a 4-avg. But since I do not understand BM or DM, I can not really judge how this is sputcore or not. |
AsleepInTheBack
06.16.20 | stuff like Off Minor and Circle Takes the Square maybe? don't know how well they're hyped elsewhere |
dedex
06.16.20 | screamo isn't as big as it used to be here, but yeah sput was a screamo powerhouse at some point |
zakalwe
06.16.20 | Infantile yank drivel squawked out by brats who resonated on one occasion when you were about 12 but now serve no purpose whatsoever and bear no reflection whatsoever to how you live or have lived your life and who sowing will undoubtedly rate a 4-5.
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dedex
06.16.20 | was waiting for that zak comment, nice |
JohnnyoftheWell
06.16.20 | gimme names zak |
dustandnations
06.16.20 | There Will Be Fireworks are one of those bands I'm pretty certain I'd have never heard without this site. Brand New might be sputcore but they have plenty of hype beyond this domain.. |
Pheromone
06.16.20 | used to be defeater ;_; |
Pheromone
06.16.20 | Infantile yank drivel squawked out by brats who resonated on one occasion when you were about 12
Oh yeah, the Smiths! |
Coast
06.16.20 | Brand New
Thrice
Opeth
Converge
Rush
Nickelback |
AsleepInTheBack
06.16.20 | I think Eclipse has summarised it quite nicely tbh, though it does touch on the hardcore/metalcore/black metal/death metal side of things which still gets (or at least used to get) a lot of sput love |
theBoneyKing
06.16.20 | If it has more ratings on Sput than RYM, it’s Sputcore. |
Gallantin
06.16.20 | All the stuff I'd consider sputcore was big here in like 2010-2013 but the site seems to have grown out of it all by now |
dedex
06.16.20 | Nickelback rofl |
EclipseInYourEyes
06.16.20 | "If it has more ratings on Sput than RYM, it’s Sputcore."
that's actually a viable measurement approach |
neekafat
06.16.20 | Stranger in the Alps tbh |
Trifolium
06.16.20 | Those guys with that red old school telephone on the otherwise black cover. With an 'A'. From a year ago. |
JohnnyoftheWell
06.16.20 | someone help me out here |
Trifolium
06.16.20 | Omg Johnny I thought you would immediately know what I meant! It was very popular here and I hated it. Very Sputcore.
Do I really have to go look for it through the charts? Or does anyone know the name of the band/album that I'm looking for? |
dedex
06.16.20 | don't know whatcha talkin' about Trif |
JohnnyoftheWell
06.16.20 | hmm what genre are we talking? |
Trifolium
06.16.20 | 😮⚡⚡⚡
Oh no! A visit to the charts it is.
Genre: emo-ish punky wailing. |
SteakByrnes
06.16.20 | Alkaline Trio? |
MiloRuggles
06.16.20 | Maudlin of the Well- Bath...also choirs. I only heard these after reading hype sput reviews back in the day. |
Trifolium
06.16.20 | YES! Steak wins the cake 🥩🍰 |
SteakByrnes
06.16.20 | :3 |
cold
06.16.20 | Dance Gavin Dance or Have A Nice Life?
The latter mostly because it's thread pages on pages of praise, and the former is thread pages on pages of shitposting and arguments on who the best vocalist is and which album is superior. |
nightbringer
06.16.20 | Cool list/blog idea.
Thrice
mewithoutYou
Brand New
Deftones
Deafheaven
Alcest
I don't think that Sput-core is simply a matter of what is popular here. Kendrick Lamar is well beloved here but hardly Sput-core. Nor is it a matter of what is over-rated here. Sput-core may in fact includes bands that are over-rated but I don't think it's part of the *definition* of Sput-core. Seems to me like I could say "Thrice are amazing, maybe my favourite band - total Sput-core though" without any incoherence. To me, Sput-core consists of those bands that are emblematic of this website's brand or identity in relation to other music websites. There is a sense of what this site is "for" or "about" that certain bands really exemplify.
To my mind, what gives Sput its unique-ish niche is its focus on artists that fall in the sweet spot between two poles. One of those poles is heavy music. Heavy music is more central to Sput than it is for indie outlets like Pitchfork. The other pole is artsy music. Artsy music is more central to Sput than it is for, say, purist metalhead outlets. The bands I listed above seem to hit the sweet spot between those two polls. In other words, look for the cross-over bands that both indie kids and metalheads can dig, and there's a good chance you've found Sput-core.
Of course, Sput gives coverage to a wide variety of artists. But I feel like bands like the above are the centre of gravity around which everything else orbits. And different users gravitate more strongly to one pole or the other. Hence the clash between metalheads and indie kids here. But most users at least have some appreciation for both poles. I also think my take explains why Kacey Musgraves was such an upset AOTY. It was totally off-brand. Neither heavy nor artsy. |
Deathconscious
06.16.20 | Captain, We're Sinking? |
EclipseInYourEyes
06.16.20 | Nightbringer's theory also kinda nails it. Still does not explain the hype around many indie/folk/singer songwriter. But then again, it maybe because Sowing has a total inhumane review output (without lacking in quality) and that is kinda his niche, imo. So more staff featured reviews in that department? |
FR33L0RD
06.16.20 | Indeed, the nucleus of the list idea, imo, is the nightbringer comment.
Interesting, not so obvious, subject. |
Sowing
06.16.20 | "Infantile yank drivel squawked out by brats who resonated on one occasion when you were about 12 but now serve no purpose whatsoever and bear no reflection whatsoever to how you live or have lived your life and who sowing will undoubtedly rate a 4-5."
Will make a nice soundoff for my next highly-hyped drivel. |
Yahwehisking
06.16.20 | etymologically its pretty simple: 1. sput: "An annular reinforcement in a steam boiler, to strengthen a place where a hole is made." and 2. core: "the tough central part of various fruits, containing the seeds." so basically that music that gets your inner steam boiler going, but also that nourishes your inner seed so that it will grow into a beautiful banana tree, or a nice rhododendron bush. i suppose philosophically it would make more sense if were a banana tree because the steam boiler would produce lots of moisture and heat--making the environment perfect for a tropical plant. so to be more concise, 'sputcore' is music that makes the inside of you a tropical paradise. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
06.16.20 | A whole lot of effort posting going on here when the term 'sputcore' can simply be boiled down to 'lowest common denominator' or 'smooth brain' music |
Relinquished
06.16.20 | aka sowingcore |
Keyblade
06.16.20 | basically the whole genre of post-hardcore |
nightbringer
06.16.20 | ^ lol pretty much actually. Explains why I'm at home here. |
budgie
06.16.20 | i feel like ulver is the one band everyone converges on
hell even pots has *searches* perdition city 5'd
but when i think sputcore i think crap like post-hardcore screamo and indie crap like animal collective fleet foxes neutral milk hotel
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nightbringer
06.16.20 | I unashamedly have very Sputcore taste tbh. |
Trifolium
06.16.20 | "but when i think sputcore i think crap like post-hardcore screamo and indie crap like animal collective fleet foxes neutral milk hotel"
This very much. |
Jots
06.16.20 | that reminds me, i forgot to discog-rate Ulver a 2.5-3/5 |
budgie
06.16.20 | calling the ulver discog "average" is a crime against humanity |
Jots
06.16.20 | a 3/5 is "good" |
Jots
06.16.20 | anyway, go to "charts", set the genre to "indie rock" and the time to "all time" and find the bands that aren't household names and boom there's your list. also add whatever screamo bands pixiesfanyo has rated highly |
garas
06.16.20 | "i forgot to discog-rate Ulver a 2.5-3/5"
>:| |
Jots
06.16.20 | (◕ ˬ ◕✿) |
Relinquished
06.16.20 | deftones for sure |
Demon of the Fall
06.16.20 | People typically name artists that are very popular elsewhere and even those that have widespread/mainstream recognition - examples of this include Converge, Radiohead, Opeth, The National etc. This isn’t Sputcore.
I reckon it’s anything that’s more popular here than elsewhere on the net, artists that have a relatively small following elsewhere, but seem significantly ‘bigger’ here. This is harder to identify for me now as I simply don’t frequent other music websites (anymore). I’ve got a few ‘educated guesses‘ for the sake of discussion though...
State Faults, Gospel, Slugdge, Rolo Tomassi, Ulcerate, Daughters? Unsure on Rolo, I knew of them before Sput, but they do have a big following here, not sure how that’s reflected elsewhere. |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.16.20 | Converge |
Relinquished
06.16.20 | silly demon don’t forget that sput 13 years ago were hyping those same bands before they were at prime popularity - Deliverance/Damnation, You Fail Me, Amnesiac, Alligator - and there was more traffic back then of people coming and going making the tastes back then instead of the same 40-50 users hyping the same ol stuff that you named today mr. sputcore authority circa 2017 |
bloc
06.16.20 | When I first joined I would have definitely said CTTS but their heat has seriously died down over the years from my recollection |
Keyblade
06.17.20 | ur right, I completely forgot about that band now that u mention it lmao. 10 years ago tho this site wouldnt stfu about them |
FR33L0RD
06.17.20 | Many creative funny way to define it :] |
MiloRuggles
06.17.20 | "I reckon it’s anything that’s more popular here than elsewhere on the net..."
I think this is an important factor, because otherwise we're just listing popular artists. Hence Deftones/Opeth/Daughters shouldn't qualify (unless you desperately want to point fingers at pre-Blackwater Opeth maybe?). But yeah, good shout Demon |
Demon of the Fall
06.17.20 | @Relinquished: yeah I wasn’t here, but I’ve been listening to music/using internet resources/forums for a long time now. I have a fair idea of what was hyped at a certain point in time (there are gaps)... anyone claiming Converge are Sputcore is blatantly wrong for a start, that’s one I’m certain on (unless you have a very strange definition of the term).
You’ll find that people on music forums discover artists before they reach their height of popularity, what a perplexing phenomena! Definitely not unique to Sput. That’s not to say this place can’t (or hasn’t) played some part in promoting certain artists, I just struggle to believe it was the catalyst for Converge’s rise to prominence. |
unclereich
06.17.20 | Run the jewels by far. They are very safe and entry level hip hop for people who do not regularly listen to the genre. Elp’s production gets more praise than it deserves simply because the masses of fans who love this group don’t venture outside of the safety of the vanilla rap bubble reddit creates for them. Killer mike is a weak emcee. His word play is average and his lyrics leave a lot to be desired. His flow can be good to great but its bogged down by weak lyrics. Elp is not a good rapper. Overall elp continues to be an average at best bomb squad rip off and the two have been lucky?fortunate?smart? In their taking advantage of a unique time in rap where their sub par product is being heralded as next level. |
EclipseInYourEyes
06.17.20 | Neutral Milk Hotel is a very good example |
Pangea
06.17.20 | Neutral milk hotel is generally popular as a cult classic. It's not sput-specific at all |
aydross121
06.17.20 | Agree with nightbringer and demon. Sputcore is usually a specific sort of darker/harsher type of music with added "artsy" stuff to differentiate with just metal and ALSO it can't be Deftones or Converge because what is wrong with you. |
Trundle
06.17.20 | swans |
aydross121
06.17.20 | Also Fair to Midland. Never heard of these guys outside of here. |
Pangea
06.17.20 | swans are generally big, i wouldn't say their sputcore.
fair to midland though i haven't seen mentioned outside of sput |
Pheromone
06.17.20 | afe and entry level hip hop for people who do not regularly listen to the genre. Elp’s production gets more praise than it deserves simply because the masses of fans who love this group don’t venture outside of the safety of the vanilla rap bubble reddit creates for them. Killer mike is a weak emcee. His word play is average and his lyrics leave a lot to be desired. His flow can be good to great but its bogged down by weak lyrics. Elp is not a good rapper. Overall elp continues to be an average at best bomb squad rip off and the two have been lucky?fortunate?smart? In their taking advantage of a unique time in rap where their sub par product is being heralded as next leve |
unclereich
06.17.20 | Couldnt have said it better myself |
Pheromone
06.17.20 | letlive in 2011 |
unclereich
06.17.20 | Baby’s first postxcore album 🍼 |
Pheromone
06.17.20 | afe and entry level posthardcore for people who do not regularly listen to the genre. Jason’s production gets more praise than it deserves simply because the masses of fans who love this group don’t venture outside of the safety of the vanilla rap bubble reddit creates for them. jason is a weak emcee. His word play is average and his lyrics leave a lot to be desired. His flow can be good to great but its bogged down by weak lyrics. json is not a good rapper. Overall jasn continues to be an average at best bomb squad rip off and the two have been lucky?fortunate?smart? In their taking advantage of a unique time in post hardcore where their sub par product is being heralded as next leve |
unclereich
06.17.20 | Thanks dad 🙏🏿 |
Pheromone
06.17.20 | on a real though I also dont get the mass RTJ hype like they havent made the same album 4 times in a row |
TheSupernatural
06.17.20 | mewithoutyou |
Keyblade
06.17.20 | facts @ rtj and redditcore in general |
unclereich
06.18.20 | thanks based Yemeni |
AlexKzillion
06.18.20 | Most of the stuff I would've said has already been mentioned with the only exception being Glassjaw. Everything they've released except for MC has hundreds more votes here than RYM for instance. |
unclereich
06.18.20 | oh you fucker |
Rawmeeth38
06.18.20 | Off minor |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
06.18.20 | just because a band has fans elsewhere doesn't mean something isn't major sputcore. they aren't mutually exclusive. |
AlexKzillion
06.18.20 | Yeah I agree to an extent... like Converge for instance. Sure they’re popular elsewhere but the staff voted Jane Doe the best album of the entire 2000s.
Bands like them, Deftones, Brand New etc. may have followings outside of the site, but they aren’t as unabashedly “loved” as they are here (in terms of sites/forums that aren’t restricted to a certain genre/scene/group of course). |
TheSupernatural
06.18.20 | For me, Sputcore is stuff that is stuff that is disproportionately loved here while remaining in relative obscurity outside of the site. That's not to say they aren't popular artists, but relatively meaning you wouldn't expect to start a conversation with a stranger in a record store and have them be a fan of the band in question.
Glassjaw's still rather popular off this site. Brand New is beloved on this site but they've also got a huge following outside of that. Same with Converge, Deftones, Run the Jewels, Death Grips, etc.
Laura Stevenson is a good example of what I'd consider sputcore. |
TVC15
06.18.20 | Honestly just check Sowing's ratings; they're quintessential Sputcore |
